Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed

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Also there was plenty of protection claimed that could save him if he did claim.
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I admit

It's extremely strong logic

Forget the fact we already have one player who claimed a scanner type, two scanners would seem OP

I think it's more just me wanting to lynch Pez than it is that I think Ben's claim is real

I could maybe see Ben as mafia making this gambit to save Lolo who is Mafia if Lolo is some strong Mafia role that would enable extra Town deaths

It's just... if Lolo WERE that super special Mafia role, why would they go in with the extra Harry Potter flavor claim almost unnecessarily there?

Which would bring me back to, why would Ben as Mafia make this claim unnecessarily?

There's definitely a lot of... feels unnecessary play going on

And if we have to go on pure reads, then I'll stick to the reads I have in the interim

And spend tomorrow rereading to figure out who I most want to push (Tom)

But yeah, with the flavor scanner, and me being Voldemort, it feels that the Flavor scanner would be more real?

Still, I can't help but want to endorse the Pez lynch anyway

I think it's probably most likely that Ben is gambiting as Town here

Which, ok

Brings us back to square to one

So, we go on reads rather than claims

Scum only needs three, maybe four, mislynches to win. If Ben were to do the "oh no it was insane cop!" play I said he was going to, he could secure two of those, and he had some significant suspicion today based on vote records

Seems like a damage control play more than anything
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Lopen posted...

Scum only needs three, maybe four, mislynches to win. If Ben were to do the "oh no it was insane cop!" play I said he was going to, he could secure two of those, and he had some significant suspicion today based on vote records

Seems like a damage control play more than anything

But then like, who is he trying to save here?

I dont buy Bens explanation about 'being affraid to vote me and pez day3' either.
He was absolutely terrible at breadcrumbing his scans too.

Only thing confusing me here is why would scum lie at this point just get 1, maybe 2, mislynches out of the deal?
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HB is confirmed to be harry potter and Lolo seems to be the BG, so the pool of mislynchables is shrinking. But this still seems too insane for scum to do...
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He's not trying to save anyone here necessarily, just cause mislynches. If he sees that the MZero lynch exposed too many scum members, and town is already on that lead (we were), that may be their only option.
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htaeD posted...

HB is confirmed to be harry potter and Lolo seems to be the BG, so the pool of mislynchables is shrinking. But this still seems too insane for scum to do...

Who according to you is in this pool of mislynchables?

I'm asking because I honestly don't know

I was at Pez, Tom, Obellisk more or less

And none of them seem to be going down easy

And if there are 4 Mafia, they could count on me to be on one of these dudes which would bring their vote count up to 5 which is just like a steal at 14 player alive

Are there players who are more or less getting lynched by the wisdom of the crowd that I just didn't pick up on?

Factually speaking
and besides me

Lea, Lopen, Pez, Puns, Sbell, Tom

Of course, some of those have to be scum as well
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And I mean I do like Lea still, and Lopen and Sbell to a lesser extent
But they could still be scum somehow.
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I just realized how Corrik was right

Corrik protects Lolo

Lolo protects Corrik

If corrik is shot at, Corrik dies the following phase

If lolo is shot at, lolo dies the following phase

Mafia SHOULD always shoot Corrik here, instead of Lolo

So Corrik should appear dead tomorrow

If lolo appears dead tomorrow, Corrik either fancy played as Mafia, OR Mafia fancy played us

But in any event, Corrik still gets a day because Corrik stops a Lolo mislynch here

If Corrik appears dead tomorrow, wait, Corrik can't appear dead tomorrow because he can't commute his own death

So Lolo is 'definitely' dying tomorrow

So Corrik is either Mafia messing with us, or Mafia are messing with us

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Assuming Corrik is Town because delayed kills and stuff

Why the heck is Mafia trying to style on us?

Why don't they kill Corrik yesterday?

What are the chances Lea actually is Liliana Vess and keeps posting the gif to taunt us

I mean there are MtG novels right

It's just a musing don't take it too seriously

Camarija posted...

I just realized how Corrik was right

Corrik protects Lolo

Lolo protects Corrik

If corrik is shot at, Corrik dies the following phase

If lolo is shot at, lolo dies the following phase

Mafia SHOULD always shoot Corrik here, instead of Lolo

So Corrik should appear dead tomorrow

If lolo appears dead tomorrow, Corrik either fancy played as Mafia, OR Mafia fancy played us

But in any event, Corrik still gets a day because Corrik stops a Lolo mislynch here

If Corrik appears dead tomorrow, wait, Corrik can't appear dead tomorrow because he can't commute his own death

So Lolo is 'definitely' dying tomorrow

So Corrik is either Mafia messing with us, or Mafia are messing with us

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Dude, If Lolo protected me, he dies tomorrow. Not me. That said, Lolo could have protected anyone. I just protected him. I doubt scum shot him directly.
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And scum will have two kills tomorrow, 1 including Lolo. Lolo won't be alive tomorrow.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I just realized how Corrik was right

Corrik protects Lolo

Lolo protects Corrik

If corrik is shot at, Corrik dies the following phase

If lolo is shot at, lolo dies the following phase

Mafia SHOULD always shoot Corrik here, instead of Lolo

So Corrik should appear dead tomorrow

If lolo appears dead tomorrow, Corrik either fancy played as Mafia, OR Mafia fancy played us

But in any event, Corrik still gets a day because Corrik stops a Lolo mislynch here

If Corrik appears dead tomorrow, wait, Corrik can't appear dead tomorrow because he can't commute his own death

So Lolo is 'definitely' dying tomorrow

So Corrik is either Mafia messing with us, or Mafia are messing with us

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Dude, If Lolo protected me, he dies tomorrow. Not me. That said, Lolo could have protected anyone. I just protected him. I doubt scum shot him directly.

Lolo said he protected Chris night 1 though right?

But Lolo didn't die in this instance

The more I think about it, the less sense Ben makes to me. Had he done this yesterday he might have gotten me to think he was just an insane cop or joking around. But since he is going all in, I shall do the same.

##Vote: Ben
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So two scums and a town...

Great.

Also, fuck you guys for talking too much while I slept.

Its the busiest day of the year for someone in the Title Industry. Friday, last day of the month, last day of 2nd quarter, and next week is 4th of July.

I will deliberately be avoiding gamefaqs today so that I can work.

Lynch one of the guilty scans. If it's town, lynch Ben, if it's town, I don't think it'll matter all too much after that.
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5tarscream posted...

Ben.
Can you tell me why when you had 2 guilty scans yesterday you didn't mention anything and let us mislynch town instead of absolute nailed on scum?
Like we had a vote tie (I think) between MZero and potential BG and you just let that roll on? You didn't think the potential of lynching BG was a big risk?
If you don't believe Lolo is bg then why on earth did you scan Tom last night and not Lolo?
If you think Lolo IS town then why did you let it get so close when you had 2 confirmed scum in your back pocket?

Um. Multiple reasons. Is it really that unbelievable?

I didn't feel like I was a likely night kill and wanted to get another scan off. I was content at the start of that day going for Sbell or Mzero, since both were in my POE. By the end of the day I didn't want Sbell to die but was still good with Mzero. Was confident enough I didn't need to shorten my life span just to protect Sbell. Didn't scan Lolo because if he's town I expect there's a good chance he gets night killed. Looks like that might have happened. I really wanted to see how my two guilty scans directed that lynch so I could potentially get even more information than if I just revealed scans in the last hour of the day.
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Camarija posted...

I admit

It's extremely strong logic

Forget the fact we already have one player who claimed a scanner type, two scanners would seem OP

I think it's more just me wanting to lynch Pez than it is that I think Ben's claim is real

I could maybe see Ben as mafia making this gambit to save Lolo who is Mafia if Lolo is some strong Mafia role that would enable extra Town deaths

It's just... if Lolo WERE that super special Mafia role, why would they go in with the extra Harry Potter flavor claim almost unnecessarily there?

Which would bring me back to, why would Ben as Mafia make this claim unnecessarily?

There's definitely a lot of... feels unnecessary play going on

And if we have to go on pure reads, then I'll stick to the reads I have in the interim

And spend tomorrow rereading to figure out who I most want to push (Tom)

The most logical conclusion is that everyone who's claimed and in some cases proven power IS our town power, and most of scum is still unclaimed but will claim vanilla by the end of the day (pez and death)
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htaeD posted...

I dont buy Bens explanation about 'being affraid to vote me and pez day3' either.
He was absolutely terrible at breadcrumbing his scans too.

Only thing confusing me here is why would scum lie at this point just get 1, maybe 2, mislynches out of the deal?

Good. That was the intention. If I breadcrumbed them "not terribly", you'd have noticed.
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Quick thought.

Scum has no reason to turn face on me.

I'm a very viable lynch candidate still. He has no reason to say I'm town here.

I don't think Ben is lying scum.
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Another quick thought then work.

If Ben is legit cop and has legit scanned two scum, he has played this game beautifully and has done a better job at cop than I've ever done.
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Obellisk posted...

Another quick thought then work.

If Ben is legit cop and has legit scanned two scum, he has played this game beautifully and has done a better job at cop than I've ever done.

Why thank you, you are too kind.
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Obellisk posted...

Quick thought.

Scum has no reason to turn face on me.

I'm a very viable lynch candidate still. He has no reason to say I'm town here.

I don't think Ben is lying scum.

Town lies too. I already spelled it out.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I just realized how Corrik was right

Corrik protects Lolo

Lolo protects Corrik

If corrik is shot at, Corrik dies the following phase

If lolo is shot at, lolo dies the following phase

Mafia SHOULD always shoot Corrik here, instead of Lolo

So Corrik should appear dead tomorrow

If lolo appears dead tomorrow, Corrik either fancy played as Mafia, OR Mafia fancy played us

But in any event, Corrik still gets a day because Corrik stops a Lolo mislynch here

If Corrik appears dead tomorrow, wait, Corrik can't appear dead tomorrow because he can't commute his own death

So Lolo is 'definitely' dying tomorrow

So Corrik is either Mafia messing with us, or Mafia are messing with us

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Dude, If Lolo protected me, he dies tomorrow. Not me. That said, Lolo could have protected anyone. I just protected him. I doubt scum shot him directly.

Lolo said he protected Chris night 1 though right?

But Lolo didn't die in this instance

Strongman. Do you even read the game
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Death is gonna hate me even more from now on because he was probably their ace in the hole and most likely to sneak by till the end.

Oops 3:
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Mass claim good yes

I already hate you because people are already calling you a better cop than me from last game!
Oh yeah and framing me too.
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Death, I'm afraid you're on the claim or die show now. Please ignore mzero's head on a spike, the janitor is on vacation. Ben may just be having a big of a laugh here, but actually claiming would help is figure out if that's the case of not.

Sure why not, I claim Mary Shelley,

I would be more mad if I were townpower, but eh..
Mary Shelley, TOWN Villager
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You have chosen "claim", congratulations! You've won a fabulous unvote and a lovely set of steak knives

##unvote

##vote: pez

turbopuns3 posted...

What are the chances Lea actually is Liliana Vess and keeps posting the gif to taunt us

High
Would that be scum

Mass claim ehhh scum are probably going to figure out whatever pez is very subtly hinting anyway shrug
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##vote: death
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Who convinced people that cam is a miller? He could just be scum who got ahead of his flavor and claimed it because he is scum who would scan guilty and because he knew a flavor scanner would out him regardless.

Gonna reread the game for his posts.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

What are the chances Lea actually is Liliana Vess and keeps posting the gif to taunt us

High
Would that be scum

Mass claim ehhh scum are probably going to figure out whatever pez is very subtly hinting anyway shrug

Mass claim should only happen if everyone agrees. But either way, I'm probably revealing what I know to avoid people lynching Ben when I flip. Ben is lying town and shouldn't be lynched.
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Lea3Lea posted...

You have chosen "claim", congratulations! You've won a fabulous unvote and a lovely set of steak knives

I could use some new ones.
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Is that every claim but Pez, Tom, Lopen and Puns?

Corrik7 posted...

Who convinced people that cam is a miller? He could just be scum who got ahead of his flavor and claimed it because he is scum who would scan guilty and because he knew a flavor scanner would out him regardless.

Gonna reread the game for his posts.

Puns or HB mentioned it first. I thought it sounded good because I already read Cam as a town. The way he claimed felt more like town thinking they had a gotcha than scum getting ahead of a flavor scan.
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Pez why are you so certain Ben is lying town. There are reasons to believe he's scum even beyond this claim, you know. Like his weak pushes of lynches, bandwagons onto obvious scum fall guys, and general non-contribution to scumhunting.
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Lea3Lea posted...

Is that every claim but Pez, Tom, Lopen and Puns?

I was planning on waiting until we decided on mass claiming. But I'll claim my role now if that makes more sense.
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Lopen posted...

Pez why are you so certain Ben is lying town. There are reasons to believe he's scum even beyond this claim, you know. Like his weak pushes of lynches, bandwagons onto obvious scum fall guys, and general non-contribution to scumhunting.

Because I think you're reasoning for a scum to be faking this make no sense.
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pezloco posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Is that every claim but Pez, Tom, Lopen and Puns?

I was planning on waiting until we decided on mass claiming. But I'll claim my role now if that makes more sense.

The more time we can discuss with all the facts, the better. Same reason we all wanted Ben to play his cards immediately.

pezloco posted...

Lopen posted...

Pez why are you so certain Ben is lying town. There are reasons to believe he's scum even beyond this claim, you know. Like his weak pushes of lynches, bandwagons onto obvious scum fall guys, and general non-contribution to scumhunting.

Because I think you're reasoning for a scum to be faking this make no sense.

I was null on Ben leaning scum before this. The only explanation I have for this that makes sense to me is the one I've described. If you read back I initially thought it was a null tell. But it didn't take long to see it fit town best.
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I noticed Ben floated SK in last topic. Absolutely zero reason to do that.

Are you people playing the same game. Look at the kills each day. There is no SK. There was no kill last night ffs.
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Lea3Lea posted...

pezloco posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Is that every claim but Pez, Tom, Lopen and Puns?

I was planning on waiting until we decided on mass claiming. But I'll claim my role now if that makes more sense.

The more time we can discuss with all the facts, the better. Same reason we all wanted Ben to play his cards immediately.

I don't think my claim is a surprise. I'm town villager, Winston Smith (1984).
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