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refmon
06/24/19 5:03:24 PM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/

Things aren't looking good. Decline since 2016, I wonder why. What with the SJW culture running rampant.
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spudger
06/24/19 5:04:08 PM
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hmmmm i wonder
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 5:04:48 PM
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Fucking gross.
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s0nicfan
06/24/19 5:05:20 PM
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Driving the dilution of acceptance are young women whose overall comfort levels plunged from 64% in 2017 to 52% in 2018, says the survey conducted by The Harris Poll on behalf of LGBTQ advocacy group GLAAD.


I dunno, ask women.
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Romulox28
06/24/19 5:05:51 PM
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my knee jerk reaction is that this is 100% based on the promotion of non-binary genders and things like that
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SmidgeIsntBack
06/24/19 5:05:53 PM
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But I thought younger people were liberal and they grow up to be conservatives.
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Wetterdew
06/24/19 5:06:02 PM
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Trump emboldened the homophobes.
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refmon
06/24/19 5:07:31 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
my knee jerk reaction is that this is 100% based on the promotion of non-binary genders and things like that

maybe boogie was right
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StealthRock
06/24/19 5:07:48 PM
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When you are told that men can be women and women are men then i wondet why?
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Comfy_Pillow
06/24/19 5:10:17 PM
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It makes sense. Gradual change is always the way to go for long term improvement.

Demanding drastic change feels good in the moment for members of whatever group you're talking about, but it allows for equally strong pushback which hurts progress on the long term.
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Hop103
06/24/19 5:10:19 PM
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The far left is to blame, because people aren't just swerving to the far right, the far right is dying due to the Feds and the far right exposing themselves in the real (like trying to crash a pride parade with faces in full display). If the far left didn't shove LGBTQ acceptance down everyones' throats and just taught general acceptance like normal human beings (you know not being a dick), the decline would've never happened.
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 5:12:34 PM
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If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:14:26 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something
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Funkydog
06/24/19 5:16:21 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

But it's okay for them to aggressively demand refusal of teaching about LGBT, having the ability to say they aren't human and are damned to hell and don't deserve basic rights?

Things that still happen far too commonly in the western world still.
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NinjaBreakfast
06/24/19 5:16:39 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
agenda

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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 5:17:55 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

If youre anti-dont be a dick to people for no reason and call that an agenda then I dont know where to even start having a conversation about this.
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justaguy3492
06/24/19 5:19:57 PM
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Or just a decline in people dumb enough to answer a survey lol.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:19:58 PM
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Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

But it's okay for them to aggressively demand refusal of teaching about LGBT, having the ability to say they aren't human and are damned to hell and don't deserve basic rights?

Things that still happen far too commonly in the western world still.

None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.
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hollow_shrine
06/24/19 5:21:38 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

I disagree. I point the finger at the examples being set by our institutions, including the Trump administration and its lip service to LGBT equality, to the media that gives them air with its 'bias to the middle' approach to reporting, to an online culture of irony and nihilism rankles at the idea of sincerity in how it relates to others.

I also think many of our LGBT elders believe their struggles to be past, and believe they live in an age sexual and gender equality. They don't want to hear that their work will never be over.
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SSJCAT
06/24/19 5:23:31 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

But it's okay for them to aggressively demand refusal of teaching about LGBT, having the ability to say they aren't human and are damned to hell and don't deserve basic rights?

Things that still happen far too commonly in the western world still.

None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

dawg i dunno what youre proposing right now. us gays have to be a little more patient and go thru even more hardship until we earn our acceptance?
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DifferentialEquation
06/24/19 5:24:52 PM
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I'd like to see more specific questions asked.

I wonder if it could have anything to with the fact the the left's stance on LGBT issues went from "Leave gay people alone. Live and let live." to "Cuz my sex junk! Is so WHOAHOHO!"
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hollow_shrine
06/24/19 5:25:03 PM
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SSJCAT posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

But it's okay for them to aggressively demand refusal of teaching about LGBT, having the ability to say they aren't human and are damned to hell and don't deserve basic rights?

Things that still happen far too commonly in the western world still.

None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

dawg i dunno what youre proposing right now. us gays have to be a little more patient and go thru even more hardship until we earn our acceptance?

Yeah, I will always reject that on principle. That is not justice, nor is it equality.
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lightwarrior78
06/24/19 5:26:40 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.


If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it.

It's moved past live and let live.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:27:18 PM
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SSJCAT posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.

Well no, it's about enforcing the agenda. No one like to be aggressively forced to accept something

But it's okay for them to aggressively demand refusal of teaching about LGBT, having the ability to say they aren't human and are damned to hell and don't deserve basic rights?

Things that still happen far too commonly in the western world still.

None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

dawg i dunno what youre proposing right now. us gays have to be a little more patient and go thru even more hardship until we earn our acceptance?

I dunno, i personally don't need to be accepted by straight majority. Even if they accept you, it's still often fake, they just doing what socially accepted.
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Funkydog
06/24/19 5:27:34 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.
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Dark_Spiret
06/24/19 5:27:38 PM
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honestly i think a lot of it has to do with too much shit being thrown in peoples faces now and telling them how they should and shouldn't act. the progressive culture has been kicked into over drive in the last 3-4 years.
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 5:28:56 PM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.


If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it.

It's moved past live and let live.

This post reeks of why is there no straight pride.

Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you.
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Kyle1022
06/24/19 5:30:03 PM
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Hop103 posted...
The far left is to blame, because people aren't just swerving to the far right, the far right is dying due to the Feds and the far right exposing themselves in the real (like trying to crash a pride parade with faces in full display). If the far left didn't shove LGBTQ acceptance down everyones' throats and just taught general acceptance like normal human beings (you know not being a dick), the decline would've never happened.

This. It's the same thing with race. Civil rights took DECADES to finally get to a decent place in the late 00s/early 10s. And now because of the far left and far right pulling moderates apart, race relations are arguably the worst they've been since MLK.

Change happens gradually. These blue-haired keyboard warriors want everything to happen instantly. That's not how it works in the real world.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:31:23 PM
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Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo
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SSJCAT
06/24/19 5:32:20 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo

were not demanding people love us. not the vast majority of us anyways. all this is about is acceptance
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 5:32:52 PM
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Kyle1022 posted...
Hop103 posted...
The far left is to blame, because people aren't just swerving to the far right, the far right is dying due to the Feds and the far right exposing themselves in the real (like trying to crash a pride parade with faces in full display). If the far left didn't shove LGBTQ acceptance down everyones' throats and just taught general acceptance like normal human beings (you know not being a dick), the decline would've never happened.

This. It's the same thing with race. Civil rights took DECADES to finally get to a decent place in the late 00s/early 10s. And now because of the far left and far right pulling moderates apart, race relations are arguably the worst they've been since MLK.

Change happens gradually. These blue-haired keyboard warriors want everything to happen instantly. That's not how it works in the real world.


Now this is a fucking dumb take.
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Funkydog
06/24/19 5:34:28 PM
#33:


vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo

Why is it the "best policy"

Just ignoring horrible behaviour allows it to fester and continue. People deserve to be treated with basic dignity and asking for that is not too much. The fact people get so upset about being asked to just treat people like people is baffling and I don't get how it hurts any of them to just provide it, regardless of what they might actually think.
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Unsugarized_Foo
06/24/19 5:35:26 PM
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It's like kids do the opposite of what you say
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:36:36 PM
#35:


Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo

Why is it the "best policy"

Just ignoring horrible behaviour allows it to fester and continue. People deserve to be treated with basic dignity and asking for that is not too much. The fact people get so upset about being asked to just treat people like people is baffling and I don't get how it hurts any of them to just provide it, regardless of what they might actually think.

Live and let live is exactly what you describing right now.
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nemu
06/24/19 5:36:50 PM
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SSJCAT posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo

were not demanding people love us. not the vast majority of us anyways. all this is about is acceptance

I think part of the problem is for every 1000 people with normal views about acceptance, you have one nutball of the "you're transphobic if you refuse to date a transperson" variety, but that one person often ends up having more social reach than the 1000 normal people. So then you have these fringe opinions seemingly representing the whole thing, so people get it in their heads that everyone who just wants acceptance has views like that. At least that's how it seems on a surface level.
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Funkydog
06/24/19 5:37:56 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Funkydog posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
None of it is okay. But my take is that demanding acceptance will cause more resistance.

So we should just accept being treated like subhuman trash and people refusing to have our existence accepted?

Fuck that. Why should I have to hide and pretend other LGBTQ people don't exist? Why should I accept the refusal of teaching of basic relationships to kids because some religious arse wipes refuse to move with modern times.

You shouldn't accept anything that violates your rights. If you attacked then fight back. But you don't have to demand everyone loving you, or else you no better than religious freaks.
Live and let live is the best policy imo

Why is it the "best policy"

Just ignoring horrible behaviour allows it to fester and continue. People deserve to be treated with basic dignity and asking for that is not too much. The fact people get so upset about being asked to just treat people like people is baffling and I don't get how it hurts any of them to just provide it, regardless of what they might actually think.

Live and let live is exactly what you describing right now.

It sounds like the exact opposite due to the actively pushing for people to do something to me.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:39:51 PM
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Why people in America starting equate gays with politics or SJWs? Maybe that's the problem that causing less acceptance. It shouldn't be like that, many of us have nothing to do with any politics, yet all gays gets lumped with far lefts.
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Wetterdew
06/24/19 5:40:27 PM
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The road to gay equality was not possible until gay and trans people started demanding it and revolting 50 years ago.

"Your activism made me homophobic" is NOT a good argument for us to cool it with LGBT activism.
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lightwarrior78
06/24/19 5:45:21 PM
#40:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.


If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it.

It's moved past live and let live.

This post reeks of why is there no straight pride.

Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you.


Actually is was a moment of seeing how often progressive tactics line up with habbits of an emotional abuser.

Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one.
Lashing out at disagreement
Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being
Public humiliation
purposeful pushing of buttons
blaming you for their bad behavior
demanding respect

I looked in the mirror, asked what we've become and had to take a step back and see that there's a line crossed in trying to get what you think you deserve that once crossed drives people away. If we don't like being dehumanized, they won't respond any better to it.
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Kyle1022
06/24/19 5:47:07 PM
#41:


Tmaster148 posted...
Now this is a fucking dumb take.

^Dumb and pointless post, next
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ThanksUglyGod
06/24/19 5:48:10 PM
#42:


lightwarrior78 posted...
Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one.
Lashing out at disagreement
Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being
Public humiliation
purposeful pushing of buttons
blaming you for their bad behavior
demanding respect

Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics.
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EndOfDiscOne
06/24/19 5:48:14 PM
#43:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
It makes sense. Gradual change is always the way to go for long term improvement.

Demanding drastic change feels good in the moment for members of whatever group you're talking about, but it allows for equally strong pushback which hurts progress on the long term.

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AsucaHayashi
06/24/19 5:50:55 PM
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makes sense.

people have barely begun to accept gay marriage and actually work to broaden this perspective before the talk about transgenders being able to use whichever toilets they want has begun.

this is the equivalent of the mouse barely taking the first bite of the cookie before already asking for a full glass of milk.

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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 5:52:37 PM
#45:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one.
Lashing out at disagreement
Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being
Public humiliation
purposeful pushing of buttons
blaming you for their bad behavior
demanding respect

Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics.

So we should be like conservatives then.?
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Funkydog
06/24/19 5:53:20 PM
#46:


"Just accept being treated like less than a human because people may get their feelings hurt :( and they are the true victims"
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kirbymuncher
06/24/19 5:53:52 PM
#47:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics.

in all honesty I thought he was listing those things about his own post until I realized they were posted by the same person
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HylianFox
06/24/19 5:57:04 PM
#48:


Kyle1022 posted...
That's not how it works in the real world.

not yet anyway
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StealthRock
06/24/19 5:58:22 PM
#49:


JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
StealthRock posted...
When you are told that men can be women and women are men then i wondet why?


I mean they can be so why deny it?

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ThanksUglyGod
06/24/19 5:58:45 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one.
Lashing out at disagreement
Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being
Public humiliation
purposeful pushing of buttons
blaming you for their bad behavior
demanding respect

Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics.

So we should be like conservatives then.?

We've been like conservatives the whole time. We just believe different things and have facts/history to back us up.
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