Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 7- its an IRONMAN MATCH

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If Ulti ends up as town, we need to look at who kinda lingered on Ulti or wanted to Lynch Ulti over tom. Pez was one but he was obviously town.

If Ulti is scum, this all becomes pretty void.

I still feel quite content that igcd is town through all of this.
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Of course the likelihood of Ulti rolling scum 3 games in a row is very low too. = /
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Corrik7 posted...

Of course the likelihood of Ulti rolling scum 3 games in a row is very low too. = /

Corrik, we talked about statistical math.
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Corrik ignores logic.

Good afternoon

I'm still not seeing the likelihood of scum having a gladiator on top of a double voter and extra kill. That sets up a dick move MyLo situation on day 3 if things go poorly for town, we'd have to get at least 5 out of 6 votes on the same scum to avoid losing the game, and we'd have no way of knowing scum could drop a fifth vote on someone until it happened near deadline to cost us the game. Corrik is town. I'd lean that way even before getting into the setup.

Ulti could be anything, the phase he went through where he was trying to say he'd been hit by some sort of tracker framer was a bizarre argument to go through for scum, though Ulti is creative and likes to do wacky stuff so he's one of the only people that could even get there as scum. I can't rule him out as scum anywhere near to the extent I can for Corrik though so he's who I'll end up voting for.

IGCD...is probably town? Due to being one of the only claimed scanners. Thinking on it more him revealing his track on Ulti was fake isn't necessarily enough to clear him, he'd be totally fucked next day if Ulti does flip town vanilla so getting out ahead of it now is his best chance to survive, so there's a scum motive for him to do it assuming he knew Gladiator forced a lynch. The fact that he jumped on trying to vote No Lynch though kind of undermines that, he seems to have thought his reveal could end today without a lynch if needed. So yeah, possible for him to be scum but it's unlikely.
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Panthera posted...

Ulti could be anything, the phase he went through where he was trying to say he'd been hit by some sort of tracker framer was a bizarre argument to go through for scum, though Ulti is creative and likes to do wacky stuff so he's one of the only people that could even get there as scum. I can't rule him out as scum anywhere near to the extent I can for Corrik though so he's who I'll end up voting for.

Framer tracker is crazy but it doesn't change corrik trying to argue that ulti made a kill that was clearly made by scum extra kill.

What the hell do you have that rules out corrik?

Nothing clears him.

Panthera posted...

I'd lean that way even before getting into the setup.

Yeah can you elaborate on this any?

Btw if Ulti does flip town. Keep in mind everyone who instantly believed Ulti had a guilty scan on Puns.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Framer tracker is crazy but it doesn't change corrik trying to argue that ulti made a kill that was clearly made by scum extra kill.

What the hell do you have that rules out corrik?

Nothing clears him.

Can Double Voter + Gladiator co-exist on a scum team? Scum can pick their target at MyLo and the number of votes before they can hammer is less than we'd think. It could be 4v6, 6 votes to hammer, we'd assume a single vote was safe when it actually wasn't. That's potent enough for scum even if they can't pick the easiest mislynch to target, which they could if Corrik were scum.

Plus I think his actions today have felt more like town. He was noticeably deflated by IGCD revealing the track was fake and has been having to scramble to both figure things out and justify why Ulti still needs to be lynched over him. If he were scum, he would have known or at least strongly suspected the track was fake and wouldn't be as thrown off by the reveal
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turbopuns3 posted...

Yeah can you elaborate on this any?

Beyond what I said in the post I just made, his playing around on day 2 trying to pretend he might be doctor felt like a town gambit. Made some pretty logical arguments, the one that sticks out was why Ulti daring him to Gladiate him day 1 wasn't a town tell like some people thought. My experience with scum Corrik is that he can get lost in his own crazy logic and gets himself out of it by trying to be too crazy to be fake, but this game his actions have generally felt like they fit together with some sort of purpose. I'll admit it's not definitive by any means but I feel a bit better about him than I do about Ulti.
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htaeD posted...

Btw if Ulti does flip town. Keep in mind everyone who instantly believed Ulti had a guilty scan on Puns.

People know Ulti likes to fake claim things and scum would know whether or not Puns was scum. If Puns is scum then yeah that says something but if Puns is town I don't think it reveals much.
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Yeah it also depends on scum

Btw in case the day ends tonight and I die afterwards. Dont insta believe Corrik. Always keep an eye on him. Right now I think he's town, but its never 100 %
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Thinking on it I'm realizing my logic that would mostly clear Red if Ulti is town was wrong. If Red is scum and confident that Ulti's vanilla claim was legit, he'd have been pretty sure the track was fake all along and would have reason to defend Ulti in advance to make himself look better for noticing. So that's null after all.
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Red taking that hard a stance on Ulti is bizarre to begin with.
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One thing I'm having trouble meshing with the idea of Corrik being scum is why would he have claimed blocked right away day 2

Scum had a strongman EK and a doublevoter. And *probably* a godfather/ninja

So I doubt they would want to get cute with a block night 1.

Maybe if they doubled up their block+kill on han or scare

htaeD posted...

Red taking that hard a stance on Ulti is bizarre to begin with.

It was a harder stance with igcds track tbh.

turbopuns3 posted...

One thing I'm having trouble meshing with the idea of Corrik being scum is why would he have claimed blocked right away day 2

His block claim still doesn't make sense tbh.

Leafeon13N posted...

His block claim still doesn't make sense tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sultan told someone they were blocked even if they didn't use a power

turbopuns3 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

His block claim still doesn't make sense tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sultan told someone they were blocked even if they didn't use a power

The fact that I agree makes it a nultell at best still.
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So scum purposely didn't use their roleblock night 1 so I could claim it was on me successfully without anyone knowing? Lol. With what 10 unclaimed town on the board or something.

Or scum doubled up on a kill with 2 teammates with their roleblocker and kill so in case if a watcher was alive (and their targets were kinda not difficult to figure out ones) they both would be caught?

Those are both pretty far out there. Your best argument for me being scum and being roleblocked would be that a town Roleblocker blocked me.

But, again, how did I know I was if a day power unless... Host told me.

So, basically, I don't see how you could get to I wasn't roleblocked night 1. I couldn't use my power day 2 either due to it. So it is just how he made his game. I would assume if you asked a mechanical question to the host regarding how he resolves Roleblocks that he would be forced to answer that for you since it is regarding rules.
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Corrik7 posted...

So, basically, I don't see how you could get to I wasn't roleblocked night 1. I couldn't use my power day 2 either due to it.

We dont know this.

Corrik7 posted...

I couldn't use my power day 2 either due to it.

Oh.

Did you say this before

turbopuns3 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I couldn't use my power day 2 either due to it.

Oh.

Did you say this before

He did.

Well that seems like a good reason to be told you were RBed
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htaeD posted...

Well that seems like a good reason to be told you were RBed

Point

Leafeon13N posted...

His block claim still doesn't make sense tbh.

I'm going to circle around back to this statement.

red please educate us poor fools on your reasoning

Red really isn't town. Sorry to break your bubbles on this. He has ignored every argument that crushes his own.
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turbopuns3 posted...

red please educate us poor fools on your reasoning

Basically in this he consistently maintained he didn't know why he was notified he was roleblocked but still knew he was roleblocked.

By that last roleblocked i mean knew his role was made unusable (ie roleblock did something).

Its a whole lot of dumb meta to throw at us.

Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

red please educate us poor fools on your reasoning

Basically in this he consistently maintained he didn't know why he was notified he was roleblocked but still knew he was roleblocked.

Leafeon13N posted...

By that last roleblocked i mean knew his role was made unusable (ie roleblock did something).

Its a whole lot of dumb meta to throw at us.

It's true that's a pretty blatant logical contradiction

Also if you TRULY believe Red doesn't bus as scum. It explains why he is so ardently trying to save Ulti here. When there is basically no argument to not Lynch Ulti here. He hasn't even presented an argument at any point that states Ulti is Town based on this game so far.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

red please educate us poor fools on your reasoning

Basically in this he consistently maintained he didn't know why he was notified he was roleblocked but still knew he was roleblocked.

Leafeon13N posted...

By that last roleblocked i mean knew his role was made unusable (ie roleblock did something).

Its a whole lot of dumb meta to throw at us.

It's true that's a pretty blatant logical contradiction

Lol what. Not only did he not even say a contradiction if I read that correctly, there definitely is not a blatant logical contradiction. What
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Corrik, yes there is.

Okay spell it out because you literally haven't even claimed a contradiction at any point in what you wrote. Lol.
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I couldn't explain it better if someone wants to humor corrik please feel free.

There just is not a contradiction in anything you wrote at any point.

I am a day power role.

I was notified I was roleblocked.

I asked if I could use my power still. I was told no I was roleblocked.

I don't understand how I was roleblocked but I am roleblocked. It's not rocket science. You just reiterated that and then said it was a contradiction.

Lol?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik7 posted...

There just is not a contradiction in anything you wrote at any point.

I am a day power role.

I was notified I was roleblocked.

I asked if I could use my power still. I was told no I was roleblocked.

I don't understand how I was roleblocked but I am roleblocked. It's not rocket science. You just reiterated that and then said it was a contradiction.

Lol?

If a day time role can be roleblocked, then this game does not exist. Night blockers absolutely cannot nullify day roles.

And Red doesnt bus. He voted Tom. Case closed.

He parked a splinter vote. He does that all the time as scum.
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Corrik7 posted...

He does that all the time

You added some unnecessary words tbh.

Mostly i was just busy at disney though.

Red, who is corrik's partner?

Is it ever Ulti?

I'm not gonna be able to do my ISOs tonight

Will tomorrow though, for sure. Nothing going on