Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 6 Foreal

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MZero11 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

5tarscream posted...

If IGCD is lying about tracking you whats his end game? If you think puns is town and IGCD is scum then youre saying scum outed the self with a fake claim to save another town?
If you think IGCD is scum then how can puns be town? Theres no reason for him to fake claim to save town from town.
A) Ulti is scum, IGCD is town.
B) Ulti is town, IG is scum, puns is town. This scenario makes the least sense.
C) Ulti is scum, IGCD is scum, puns is scum and by all three of them fighting they almost guarantee clearing suspicion on whoever survives.
D) Ulti is scum and knows Im town so protecting me is perfect cover for himself to get super pissed when I get lynched and flip town. This option makes me sad and angry.

Very small outside chance Puns is scum and they role scanned me or something, so he would know I was faking a scan. Not touching that one though.

If they role scanned you, they would know you're role so why would they claim a track on someone they know will flip Vanilla?

I think this is a subtle slip by Ulti btw

Why would a vanilla think of this situation? Scum faking a track on someone they know is Vanilla makes no sense. At least if he flipped power they could argue he really did target Scare, bus driver, etc. It makes no sense when they could have done anything else
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1. Pez - Me
2. Tom - Variety of Posts D2
3. Ulti - Topic of discussion, very present
4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti
5. Corrik - Claims he was RBed last night
8. puns - Thought one of Han/Ulti was scum, opens the day saying he thinks Ulti is scum. He and Ulti argued a lot with Ulti claiming scum scan. Puns actually starts thinking that Ulti is town cop just lying about his scan. After IGCD's claim Puns realizes that if he's town Ulti is almost certainly scum. He votes Ulti
9. IGCD - Topic of discussion, claimed scanner
10. 5tar - Not many posts, suspicious of MZero's activity. Echos the idea that if IGCD is scum then so is Puns. Defends his read of me and SBell. Doesn't seem to commit to a side on IGCD v Ulti. Makes sure on two separate occasions to mention that Corrik and Ulti could both be scum.
12. Panth - Comes in to tell Ulti to calm down. Asks IGCD for reasons to track Ulti, says he thinks IGCD is more likely town than Ulti. He asks me why I voted SBell after he claimed. He checks up on EoD and seems ok with my response. He still goes after 5tar a little.
13. MZero - Defends his no vote. Calls out Ulti moments before IGCD counters. He defends Puns choice of words. He seems to immediately believe IGCD and votes Ulti. He's still suspicious that Puns and Ulti could be scum buddies. Pokes holes in Ulti's posts. Again defends his no vote D1. Defends his Miller claim with WIFOM and power meta.
14. Death - I like Death. Seemed like the first person willing to actually interact with me last instead of just yelling about what was "clearly" true.
15. Red - Very little content. He seems to have read through everything.

This is all from D2 in Topic 5. I haven't read through the posts in this new topic yet.

I think Red and then Eaed, Panth, and 5tar look the worst after this. Red looks bad because he still seems to be skimping on the content, which is scum Red. He also seems hesitant to immediately go against Ulti. Which sounds like he's waiting until it's clear he has to bus Ulti.

Posted in the first topic 6, reposting here.
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Corrik7 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

pezloco posted...

Let's say the we lynch Ulti and he indeed flips scum. Then MZero's miller claim gets really fishy. If Ulti gets lynched, then that's likely because we don't have another scanner countering IGCD's claim. If we don't have another scanner, then we don't have a cop. If we don't have a cop, why do we have a miller?

This is absolutely bullshit and looks like trying to out the cop. There can be a tracker and a cop. Also, there can be a miller and no cop. There is nothing to suggest there is not a cop just because it was not countered. A good cop would NOT have countered there. And IGCD didn't really counter, he revealed a guilty scan.

Nice to meet you again. Just logically processing the game. I once again point out that my paragraph leaves plenty of room for WIFOM. If no one claims cop today, the simplest answer is that we don't have a cop. If that's the case, then MZero's Miller claim looks worse. It does not confirm him as town. No one had mentioned it yet, so I mentioned it.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Also, Red not able to logically point out who is scum there is a big red flag. No way he is that devoid of logically piecing that together. Barely says anything either.

Red has not been helpful this entire game. Scumtells going crazy.

Huh, i thought the plsy from the logic is obvious snd you lynch the vanilla claim before you lynch the guy that would have to be suiciding to be scum.

I have already stated (and Mzero) how he basically couldn't have logically claimed that guilty scan as Scum on what they KNOW IS TOWN because they would have BELIEVED HE WAS TOWN COP. Then if he flips TOWN COP, both the guilty scan claim (IGCD) and Puns (The claimed scanned guilty from Ulti) are DEAD.
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pezloco posted...

4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti

I think this looks bad for Eaed because the vote then the unvote looks like scum trying to hedge in case his buddy dies. Then he can fall back and say oh yeah I guess I was right when I voted him that one time.
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pezloco posted...

If no one claims cop today, the simplest answer is that we don't have a cop.

That is absolutely horse crap. The simplest answer is that we do have a cop as most games have cops and most games a cop won't claim until they have multiple guilty scans or have to.

You keep saying you are logically processing but then you say stuff day 1 like (Town should never claim day 1, it only helps Scum!) and day 2 (Cop should claim day 2 or we should assume we don't have one!).

You don't make sense, Pez!

You sound over and over again like you are trying to out a hiding cop. I know for a fact if I were cop, I wouldn't be claiming today. *wink*
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Corrik7 posted...

Cop should claim day 2 or we should assume we don't have one!

this is not a thing that got said

Corrik7 posted...

The simplest answer is that we do have a cop

and this is not a thing we should 100% assume with a tracker claim out

Corrik7 posted...

You sound over and over again like you are trying to out a hiding cop.

and pez isn't scum
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Corrik7 posted...

pezloco posted...

If no one claims cop today, the simplest answer is that we don't have a cop.

That is absolutely horse crap. The simplest answer is that we do have a cop as most games have cops and most games a cop won't claim until they have multiple guilty scans or have to.

You keep saying you are logically processing but then you say stuff day 1 like (Town should never claim day 1, it only helps Scum!) and day 2 (Cop should claim day 2 or we should assume we don't have one!).

You don't make sense, Pez!

You sound over and over again like you are trying to out a hiding cop. I know for a fact if I were cop, I wouldn't be claiming today. *wink*

D1 is very different than D2. Beyond that, I do stand behind my reasoning. If there is a cop, whether or not they claim is entirely up to them. I do think that the balance of probabilities says that if one doesn't claim (I don't expect one to claim), then we don't have a cop in the game. You disagree. It happens. You might even be right. Good talk.
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turbopuns3 posted...

corrik what is your reason that eaed is scum?

I just read through all your posts today, he's on your list but all you've said is you thought he was scum from day 1, what's the reason

Tom Bombadil posted...

and pez isn't scum

::Waves vigoursly:: That's my roommate. (Inside joke from College).
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turbopuns3 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

corrik what is your reason that eaed is scum?

I just read through all your posts today, he's on your list but all you've said is you thought he was scum from day 1, what's the reason

I even said I didn't give a reason in my post.

But, like I said if I used my power day 1 it was 1. Eaed and 2. Ulti in that order.

Eaed is a spitting opposite of his play from last game where he was town. He has been unhelpful. He is less active but it is what he is doing with his activity.

Last game even if he was wrong he was trying to figure out the game. This game I do not believe he is in any way trying to figure the game out at all.

I'd venture a large chock of his day 1 was explaining why he wasn't going to be able to. I got that feel before the 24 hours. When he came in and said he wasn't feeling good to explain away his doing nothing the further 36 hours after... I was just facepalming from the sidelines.
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pezloco posted...

Corrik7 posted...

pezloco posted...

If no one claims cop today, the simplest answer is that we don't have a cop.

That is absolutely horse crap. The simplest answer is that we do have a cop as most games have cops and most games a cop won't claim until they have multiple guilty scans or have to.

You keep saying you are logically processing but then you say stuff day 1 like (Town should never claim day 1, it only helps Scum!) and day 2 (Cop should claim day 2 or we should assume we don't have one!).

You don't make sense, Pez!

You sound over and over again like you are trying to out a hiding cop. I know for a fact if I were cop, I wouldn't be claiming today. *wink*

D1 is very different than D2. Beyond that, I do stand behind my reasoning. If there is a cop, whether or not they claim is entirely up to them. I do think that the balance of probabilities says that if one doesn't claim (I don't expect one to claim), then we don't have a cop in the game. You disagree. It happens. You might even be right. Good talk.

You don't expect them to claim, but if they don't you think then one likely doesn't exist. That's some solid logic there!
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pez and tom have to be handled similarly to cam last game because they come from ancient times when meta was but an infant

turbopuns3 posted...

pez and tom have to be handled similarly to cam last game because they come from ancient times when meta was but an infant

Cam was destroyed by illogical play. Does not being current on meta mean you have to be illogical?
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no but meta muddies the water on what logical means sometimes

turbopuns3 posted...

pez and tom have to be handled similarly to cam last game because they come from ancient times when meta was but an infant

this is all the work of a second family!!
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I've more or less gotten everything I wanted out of today. I don't think we need to let this day go the full 48 hours. I'm going to hold off voting for Ulti for now. I want to give everyone else in particular 5tar and Panth a chance to come back in and ask more questions. Panth specifically said he wanted to discuss stuff that wasn't Ulti and IGCD.

Corrik how much longer do you want the day to go since you're here now and asking questions?

Death? Tom?

Red, you're still lurking somewhere I assume.
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not just strictly setup meta like "miller indicates a cop exists"

but also just tactical meta like "voting no lynch day 1 is great" or "cops should claim when X happens" etc.

....that was a joke but what are the odds that IGCD is scum tracker and legit caught scum Ulti >_>
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pezloco posted...

I've more or less gotten everything I wanted out of today.

there is at least one very specific point that I want to look into about something death said. I haven't had time to look through posts enough to inform my question yet but I noted the post number.

granted I doubt this will take long enough to mean we can't end after 24 hours but I want to say it anyway

Tom Bombadil posted...

....that was a joke but what are the odds that IGCD is scum tracker and legit caught scum Ulti >_>

for what it's worth, Ulti has shot his own teammate as scum before

pezloco posted...

pezloco posted...

4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti

I think this looks bad for Eaed because the vote then the unvote looks like scum trying to hedge in case his buddy dies. Then he can fall back and say oh yeah I guess I was right when I voted him that one time.

Hey Pez, I didn't want to vote for who I thought was a confirmed Cop at the moment.
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turbopuns3 posted...

pezloco posted...

I've more or less gotten everything I wanted out of today.

there is at least one very specific point that I want to look into about something death said. I haven't had time to look through posts enough to inform my question yet but I noted the post number.

granted I doubt this will take long enough to mean we can't end after 24 hours but I want to say it anyway

I am happy to wait. It's only been 13 hours. If we end in 30 that's still better than 48. I think Corrik said he wanted to finish before his 24 hour timer runs out. Still plenty of time before that too.
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I have never been a fan of ending day early. This would not be the worst day to end early with Corrik presumably disappearing at some point and dueling claims, but, ehhhhh
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Why the heck would we end day early?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I have never been a fan of ending day early. This would not be the worst day to end early with Corrik presumably disappearing at some point and dueling claims, but, ehhhhh

eaedwards6400 posted...

Why the heck would we end day early?

Because we should know that we're either lynching IGCD or Ulti today. We don't want to end the day before everyone has finished discussing this topic. We might also of course want to talk about some other topics. But scum have the advantage of information. If everyone has had their chance to say their piece, then more talking could possibly lead to giving scum more information. I've reached the point where I've decided who I want to vote for. I have an idea of who I might vote for tomorrow. I would rather it be tomorrow when I talk more about it.

But others maybe still want to discuss stuff. Hence I asked instead of just placing my vote and going to lunch.
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pezloco posted...

pezloco posted...

4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti

I think this looks bad for Eaed because the vote then the unvote looks like scum trying to hedge in case his buddy dies. Then he can fall back and say oh yeah I guess I was right when I voted him that one time.

if the sequence was ordered like:

> eaed votes ulti

> ulti claims a cop scan

> eaed unvotes

> igcd claims damning track on ulti

> eaed votes ulti again

I don't think that looks scummy, I think that is exactly what a town mind would do

(like it's pretty much exactly the same as my own thought process)

I feel like we have barely even heard from like half the game today
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turbopuns3 posted...

pezloco posted...

pezloco posted...

4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti

I think this looks bad for Eaed

if the sequence was ordered like:

I think that is exactly what a town mind would do

these posts both make sense so
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turbopuns3 posted...

pezloco posted...

pezloco posted...

4. Eaed - Around last night, voted and then unvoted Ulti before Ulti was countered, pops in this morning to vote Ulti

I think this looks bad for Eaed because the vote then the unvote looks like scum trying to hedge in case his buddy dies. Then he can fall back and say oh yeah I guess I was right when I voted him that one time.

if the sequence was ordered like:

> eaed votes ulti

> ulti claims a cop scan

> eaed unvotes

> igcd claims damning track on ulti

> eaed votes ulti again

I don't think that looks scummy, I think that is exactly what a town mind would do

(like it's pretty much exactly the same as my own thought process)

Fair enough. Still feels a bit like trying to look town by voting for a scum buddy to me. But maybe this is more of a null tell then.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I feel like we have barely even heard from like half the game today

That's actually why I did that big post. I wanted to see who had talked and what they had said. Everyone has said something since the claims.
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well lol
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Welllllllllllllll
Well it's a dead tag
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Tom Bombadil posted...

these posts both make sense so

point is you can take any town action and wifom it to say it's a scum action

but if it makes perfect sense as town I try not to bend over backwards to call it scum. that's usually when bias is creeping in somehow.

to call eaed's pattern scummy is fine but it needs support from like, specific quotes and context of his posts

I'm going to reiterate because pez brought it up again i am literally in Disney World (magickingdom)

Could we just not waste a replace at this juncture.

pezloco posted...

I've more or less gotten everything I wanted out of today. I don't think we need to let this day go the full 48 hours. I'm going to hold off voting for Ulti for now. I want to give everyone else in particular 5tar and Panth a chance to come back in and ask more questions. Panth specifically said he wanted to discuss stuff that wasn't Ulti and IGCD.

Corrik how much longer do you want the day to go since you're here now and asking questions?

Death? Tom?

Red, you're still lurking somewhere I assume.

Less than 24 hours so before 11.
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Just fyi. I doubt Ulti put in for a replace in his position and feels like using replace meta as a defense that he is town. But we shouldn't be discussing replace meta as ur not supposed to say about replacing in game and simply pm the host. Which is why it's likely fake.
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Corrik7 posted...

Just fyi. I doubt Ulti put in for a replace in his position and feels like using replace meta as a defense that he is town. But we shouldn't be discussing replace meta as ur not supposed to say about replacing in game and simply pm the host. Which is why it's likely fake.

Let's not go down this road
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Just put in a replace request. Had a personal issue come up, which blows but at least the timing works out for town if nothing else. Work emergency popped up out of no where and its not fair to town if I idle out and eat a BS mislynch. I had the free time when I signed up. Legit medical emergency at my clinic. Sorry dudes.

Waste of a replace
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What we need to do is go forward acting as if Ulti has already gone because I think we lynch the slot even if Ulti replaces but we just need to plan for going forward.
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Hey Corrik we had a disagreement earlier over a puns perspective slip

MZero11 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Curious to see where this Ulti thing goes. Does he have this big of a hard on for lynching me or will he come clean? Only time will tell.

I mean obligatory "maybe there's a framer" line, but yeah.

Where in this post does puns at any point state ulti could just be scum lying?

His options are all ulti is town lying or he was framed.

Lol

Puns, you nailed yourself so hard lmfao.

He doesn't say Ulti is town lying, just lying in general

Assuming Ulti is scum (which I think is a safe assumption), how do you feel about this now? Since you said puns slipped that he knew Ulti was town
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ScUm DoN't CoMe ClEaN

MZero11 posted...

Hey Corrik we had a disagreement earlier over a puns perspective slip

MZero11 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Curious to see where this Ulti thing goes. Does he have this big of a hard on for lynching me or will he come clean? Only time will tell.

I mean obligatory "maybe there's a framer" line, but yeah.

Where in this post does puns at any point state ulti could just be scum lying?

His options are all ulti is town lying or he was framed.

Lol

Puns, you nailed yourself so hard lmfao.

He doesn't say Ulti is town lying, just lying in general

Assuming Ulti is scum (which I think is a safe assumption), how do you feel about this now? Since you said puns slipped that he knew Ulti was town

They are both scum with whoever getting caught looking as confirmed town. It doesn't change.
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turbopuns3 posted...

there is at least one very specific point that I want to look into about something death said. I haven't had time to look through posts enough to inform my question yet but I noted the post number.

Ok I looked up all death's posts and there really isn't a lot to dig into specifics with, so I'll just ask

Death can you try to articulate why you're pretty sure Tom is scum? When pez asked you basically chalked it up to gut but is there anything more specific?

Corrik7 posted...

They are both scum with whoever getting caught looking as confirmed town. It doesn't change.

You're really convinced that I know whether you were blocked or not based on the fact I referred to your own day 1claimed power.

Lol.

fwiw I have a hunch Corrik is town. No need to elaborate as to why atm