Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 5 suicide dive!

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UltimaterializerX posted...

He still hasnt given flavor despite his timestamp

He did.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

You will never get the satisfaction of mislynching me. Ever. Even if youre town and only making a mistake. Plenty of things I can do within the in-game and community rules

You could try giving me your reasoning instead of threatening irrelevant stuff. It's a vote it's not like I have instant lynch powers.

Im vanilla and thus it is impossible to track me going anywhere.

This doesnt even get into Big E making literally zero sense as a tracker. It is BLATANTLY a fake claim to anyone with any wrestling knowledge. It was plucked off a safelist in desperation because IGCD got baited.

As for why it happened, has Sultan seemed on the ball with anything in this game? Multiple botched vote updates. He announced stop too early. I dont put it past him to not be on the ball with fake flavor and for IGCD to be left high and dry.

He still hasnt given flavor despite his timestamp updating, by the way. He is clear as fuck, 100% dead to rights.

Here is whats going to happen. Scum thinks they can mislynch me, get the game to mylo, and win later. Or people can get a fucking clue and realize VANILLAS CANNOT BE TRACKED.

He also couldn't have tracked you to scare if u scanned puns. Yet, he still claimed he tracked you to scare. Didn't matter if u were vanilla or cop for his track claim.
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it is way past my bedtime I am gonna try to take a fresh look in the morning have fun with the personal attacks I guess
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turbopuns3 posted...

In a world.

Where ulti is town.

And IGCD is scum.

Why.

The fuck.

Does Scum IGCD fake a scan.

To kill a town.

Who he knows.

Is faking a guilty on a town player.

And thus is not town cop.

Why does he suicide into that.

I was about to roast you if you didn't get on Ulti for this exact reason. Good light bulb!
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Ulti more of what I'm getting at is did you think only scum would counter you and town wouldn't counter you

Ulti the point it also that you are flipflopping on me hard.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Hey genius.

I am a genius, certified and everything. Thanks.
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Also I am pretty sure Tom is scum btw.
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Good town wouldn't have countered anyways unless necessary towards end of day. And in almost no scenario would scum counter at all.
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I believed ulti was town more when I imagined he was actually cop but just faking his target. Because that would mean no risk of a town cop counter. Rescinding it to vanilla is a different story.

htaeD posted...

Also I am pretty sure Tom is scum btw.

Reasons?
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also why allow Scare to die, Ulti?
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And I honestly cannot imagine any scum being dumb enough to fall for that bait.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Smart town (which you will never be) wouldnt have to. They would know I was baiting.

Surely, smart town such as yourself, can see the inherent paradox here.

You think all of town is stupid so you gambit relying on them being smart.

pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Also I am pretty sure Tom is scum btw.

Reasons?

He just has that vibe to me. I cant explain it well right now but I dont feel wrong.
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Here is why scum doesn't counter Ulti there.

1. If Ulti "scanned" town that he claims is scum. This is already leading to a mislynch or is a clear fake.

2. If Ulti "scanned" scum as scum. Scum knows Ulti is Town already and would believe Ulti really is cop. Thus, when Ulti is lynched. If he flips town Cop. The scum countering would be dead AND the person Ulti said he scanned as scum. Scum couldn't know Ulti would later on say he was just a Vanilla.

There is virtually zero scenario where it is possible scum countered there.
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Before I tackle anything Ulti-related, I want IGCD to come in and stand by his claim.

Ulti why did you have a townread on me briefly?
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Alright well I appreciate the fighting spirit from everyone. I'm just gonna log out for the night. It's going on 2am.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It makes WAY more sense than Big E as a freaking TRACKER. I mean just what the F is that fake? The dude literally pulled it from a scum safe list and prayed were all idiots.

In fact, IGCD, whats the logic in your flavor for Big E as a tracker?

I'm not even going to bother. It's written very poorly and I'm not 100% sure what my PM is trying to tell me.
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htaeD posted...

pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Also I am pretty sure Tom is scum btw.

Reasons?

He just has that vibe to me. I cant explain it well right now but I dont feel wrong.

I haven't been confident enough to tell people not to vote him. But I have been reading him as town mostly. If he is scum, he's almost definitely scum with Ulti. Maybe I'll feel differently in the morning when I reread all this mess. It's hard to follow when it's almost 2 AM here. But it's interesting.
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Corrik7 posted...

Here is why scum doesn't counter Ulti there.

1. If Ulti "scanned" town that he claims is scum. This is already leading to a mislynch or is a clear fake.

2. If Ulti "scanned" scum as scum. Scum knows Ulti is Town already and would believe Ulti really is cop. Thus, when Ulti is lynched. If he flips town Cop. The scum countering would be dead AND the person Ulti said he scanned as scum. Scum couldn't know Ulti would later on say he was just a Vanilla.

There is virtually zero scenario where it is possible scum countered there.

I will quote this all day if I have to.
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htaeD posted...

Before I tackle anything Ulti-related, I want IGCD to come in and stand by his claim.

Ulti why did you have a townread on me briefly?

Yay someone who wants to figure out what's going on instead of just yelling and saying it's clearly this or clearly that.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCDs time stamp is updating and hes in Discord.

Still no flavor logic from him, meaning he doesnt have it. He is scum.

No just kind of reading along as I wait in between loading screens while playing apex legends. Listen I dont have to prove to anyone that you are scum. If no one wants to believe me today then they will tomorrow.
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Also I'm going to go back and grab a post of yours, because I think it's important to be addressed.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So I am dying tonight. Final reads!

Town

Pez
Tom
Ed
Corrik
Stu
Han
Puns
IGCD
5tar

You likely have mafia in the pile of Scare, Death, MZero, Red, and maybe someone I missed. Rushing to beat deadline here.

Gnight.

So when did you get that townread on me?
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Hello

First off, seriously Ulti? Chill out bro. What's the worst that can happen? You get lynched? Town or scum, your team is down a man in a mafia game. Not that big a deal. You're a fun guy to play with when you don't start getting so hostile over things not going just right. It's a game of deception, people are supposed to not necessarily trust you. Be the fun guy.

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Alright, onto the game itself. Ulti...why did you keep your vote on Scare? I thought you were countering him at the time, but if you're not even a scanner, why did you stay on the claimed cop? And did you say why you picked Puns to fake a scan on, because I might have missed it if you did?

I echo whoever asked IGCD why he picked Ulti specifically to track.

The flavour meta that's going around is pointless, you can meta any flavour to be any role because even if it doesn't make a lick of sense it just becomes a flavour trap. Flavour is there for fun, focus on the meat of the game. Pro wrestling doesn't lend itself to flavours that fit non-killing roles anyway.

As of now I'm more inclined to side with IGCD over Ulti due to him being the counter and because it's safer to side with the tracker claim than the vanilla one, but I'll take the time to mull it over. It shouldn't be ignored that a mislynch could bring us to MyLo, which can make a suicide scum claim seem reasonable.

Also don't want the day to focus 100% on this issue, it's the most important sure but there's still other matters to discuss. With SBell flipping town that gives extra weight to the idea that 5tar slipped perspective in addressing him day 1, so he's still on my radar. I also want Tom and Pez to explain why they jumped onto the SBell lynch after he claimed protection.
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Corrik is right. This makes no sense from a scum perspective

My gut says puns is scum too based on their interactions from yesterday but I'll have to reread it
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IGCD isnt the first to claim his flavor is confusingly worded, so I buy that part.

(No offense to sbell, he clearly loves the flavor)
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Corrik7 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Here is why scum doesn't counter Ulti there.

1. If Ulti "scanned" town that he claims is scum. This is already leading to a mislynch or is a clear fake.

2. If Ulti "scanned" scum as scum. Scum knows Ulti is Town already and would believe Ulti really is cop. Thus, when Ulti is lynched. If he flips town Cop. The scum countering would be dead AND the person Ulti said he scanned as scum. Scum couldn't know Ulti would later on say he was just a Vanilla.

There is virtually zero scenario where it is possible scum countered there.

I will quote this all day if I have to.

If Ulti was town and claimed a scan, Scum would have never countered him because they would know he was faking (who he scanned is really town) or because he scanned scum and when he flipped town cop 2 scum would be dead.

They have to believe Ulti is Town Cop if he "scanned" scum. They know he is faking if he "scanned" town as scum.

Literally end of story.
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If IGCD is lying about tracking you whats his end game? If you think puns is town and IGCD is scum then youre saying scum outed the self with a fake claim to save another town?
If you think IGCD is scum then how can puns be town? Theres no reason for him to fake claim to save town from town.
A) Ulti is scum, IGCD is town.
B) Ulti is town, IG is scum, puns is town. This scenario makes the least sense.
C) Ulti is scum, IGCD is scum, puns is scum and by all three of them fighting they almost guarantee clearing suspicion on whoever survives.
D) Ulti is scum and knows Im town so protecting me is perfect cover for himself to get super pissed when I get lynched and flip town. This option makes me sad and angry.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If youre not scum I am lording this game over you for life for being a such a fucking useless moron in EVERY single game you play with me.

Come on Ulti, this kind of behaviour is starting to get out of line. If you need to take a step back and take a breather. I know we all get a little emotionally invested but when you're starting to swear and name call it's going to far.
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Corrik7 posted...

Here is why scum doesn't counter Ulti there.

1. If Ulti "scanned" town that he claims is scum. This is already leading to a mislynch or is a clear fake.

2. If Ulti "scanned" scum as scum. Scum knows Ulti is Town already and would believe Ulti really is cop. Thus, when Ulti is lynched. If he flips town Cop. The scum countering would be dead AND the person Ulti said he scanned as scum. Scum couldn't know Ulti would later on say he was just a Vanilla.

There is virtually zero scenario where it is possible scum countered there.

The possibility would be that scum suspected he was faking and would rescind it anyway, although that still leaves fake countering a weak option compared to just waiting it out when scum wouldn't know for sure what his real role might actually be
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IGCD, what Ulti posts did you want to bring up?

Also I presume you are not taking it back?
We've had a lot of claims taken back recently (through death, but still)
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

If youre not scum I am lording this game over you for life for being a such a fucking useless moron in EVERY single game you play with me.

Come on Ulti, this kind of behaviour is starting to get out of line. If you need to take a step back and take a breather. I know we all get a little emotionally invested but when you're starting to swear and name call it's going to far.

Host will take care of it. Just ignore it. He does this all the time as scum.
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htaeD posted...

IGCD, what Ulti posts did you want to bring up?

Also I presume you are not taking it back?
We've had a lot of claims taken back recently (through death, but still)

Just one where I noticed he was starting to get way too pissed off. It seems like Panth touched on it too. I dont want to see people say they wont play with him.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCD IS NOT THE COUNTER YOU GODDAMN FUCKING IDIOT

Ulti claims an action
IGCD claims something that counters that
Ulti claims a different action that counters the counter

Yes, IGCD is the counter. Thinking you're the one who counter claimed him requires the assumption that you're town, which I'm not willing to grant. You may have been trying to bait something, or you may have just pretended to be baiting something once he claimed to have tracked you
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Corrik7 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

If youre not scum I am lording this game over you for life for being a such a fucking useless moron in EVERY single game you play with me.

Come on Ulti, this kind of behaviour is starting to get out of line. If you need to take a step back and take a breather. I know we all get a little emotionally invested but when you're starting to swear and name call it's going to far.

Host will take care of it. Just ignore it. He does this all the time as scum.

Yes that's what I hear. I dont feel he was this bad last game and my experiences with him are generally pleasant.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

5tarscream posted...

If IGCD is lying about tracking you whats his end game? If you think puns is town and IGCD is scum then youre saying scum outed the self with a fake claim to save another town?
If you think IGCD is scum then how can puns be town? Theres no reason for him to fake claim to save town from town.
A) Ulti is scum, IGCD is town.
B) Ulti is town, IG is scum, puns is town. This scenario makes the least sense.
C) Ulti is scum, IGCD is scum, puns is scum and by all three of them fighting they almost guarantee clearing suspicion on whoever survives.
D) Ulti is scum and knows Im town so protecting me is perfect cover for himself to get super pissed when I get lynched and flip town. This option makes me sad and angry.

Very small outside chance Puns is scum and they role scanned me or something, so he would know I was faking a scan. Not touching that one though.

Roleblocker, extra kill, rolecop, regular kill. And you think with that much power that they have balls to start fake claiming power roles on town with that many unclaimeds? And just happened to rolecop you who looked terrible for your unvote of red with a uturn?

Gimme a break.
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