Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 5 suicide dive!

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Stop being a pussy and kill IGCD, who literally fake claimed to try and mislynch me.

You mean like you did to Puns?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh.

Death is like 98% scum with the way Corrik has defended him all game. Makes Panthera town, too.

Corrik, IGCD, and Death makes three. Only one left, all because IGCD botched a fake claim. NEVER try to lie as scum to get me mislynched. Terrible fucking play dude.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im half tempted to modkill myself just to prevent scum from even getting CLOSE to the satisfaction of a Town Ulti mislynch, but Ill behave.

So many screenshots getting saved though.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik7 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im half tempted to modkill myself just to prevent scum from even getting CLOSE to the satisfaction of a Town Ulti mislynch, but Ill behave.

So many screenshots getting saved though.

Threatening modkill is against the rules. Just get lynched with grace, man. Don't get banned again over it.

You mean like your drivers license?

##Vote: Ulti

He's contradicting himself, again, and the post I quoted was just the first one. That's not including his thoughts on Corrik and Death.

Also, this other shit just has no place in mafia. This is classic Ulti. Afraid of losing so he starts yelling at everyone and making personal attacks. It is really ashame because I really thought he was different after last game but I guess that's just because he was winning.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Also, this other s*** just has no place in mafia. This is classic Ulti. Afraid of losing so he starts yelling at everyone and making personal attacks. It is really ashame because I really thought he was different after last game but I guess that's just because he was winning.

A warning was already issued.
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Ulti is likely scum, but I am not sure what to make of Corrik.
He and Ulti went after each other in the last game too, and they kinda went it easy here compared to that.
If Corrik still claims gladiator, we may have a good target for him today at least!

I am starting to feel Puns was a mislynch target for scum. That said I somehow feel the same way about red and even 5tar at times. But I dont think we had no scum at all on our trains yesterday.
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And hell, Ulti changes his mind on Puns several times day1
And me
and 5tar
All because of PoE.
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I think the difference between the games is that they were being some what civil last game. Ulti literally just said "LiKe YoUr DrIvEr'S lIcEnSe". I'm like really pissed off about that I might need a minute actually.
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I didnt get that. Did I miss a story there? (do I need to hear?)
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik7 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im half tempted to modkill myself just to prevent scum from even getting CLOSE to the satisfaction of a Town Ulti mislynch, but Ill behave.

So many screenshots getting saved though.

Threatening modkill is against the rules. Just get lynched with grace, man. Don't get banned again over it.

You mean like your drivers license?

This is what he said to Corrik. Now if something happened to Corrik's license before I dont know but this is still over the line either way.
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Yeah thats what I was asking. But maybe I shouldnt??

Anyway Ulti sorry, but that was poor ill thought out bait.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Puns was bait. The end. At no point was I going to actually lynch him today.

Call it whatever you want you still fake claimed to get something started and that's the same thing you're yelling at IGCD. I still call contradicting.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its cool. If I get flipped, you go down.

I feel like this is way too chill for a tracker whose counter isn't being bought and even if I am wrong, town igcd for scum ulti isn't the worst deal I've ever heard of. Leaning IGCD so far.

turbopuns3 posted...

In a world.

...unless puns is town, which he very well could be

UltimaterializerX posted...

You mean like your drivers license?

Let he who is without well-known painful vulnerabilities cast the first low blow. Better yet, let's just avoid going down this road while anybody can still enjoy playing this game.

Corrik7 posted...

If [Ulti] is countered he outs a scanner and makes people think Puns is confirmed town. If he is not countered, he Lynchs scum, knows a cop doesn't exist. And is "confirmed" town.

I like this argument but I also like Puns a lot more than Ulti and IGCD put together

I like all of these arguments better than Ulti just yelling that he's vanilla and everybody is dumb over and over

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm not even going to bother.

frickin' right when I had about settled into an ulti vote

Panthera posted...

I also want Tom and Pez to explain why they jumped onto the SBell lynch after he claimed protection.

That is not something I want to go into right now.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Anyways jumping around reading/responding has me all jumbled up. I'm going back to Apex Legends and reading casually. If I come across anything I'll make a comment.

didn't you say you had a thing you wanted to post?

that's 7 quote blocks- still reading
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Holy hell the game went crazy well i slept.

Pez I saw your question I'm leaning yes but there is a lot here to take in and digest.

Panthera posted...

SBell, Red, Tom, Ulti, 5tar and Scare all had votes. That's a lot of people to not have at least one that you don't like, and with two power claims you'd think there would be incentive to at least like one of them and vote whoever else you like least to protect that one.

As I said I liked the Scare lynch, but I woke up like an hour before deadline and when I had caught up he had already claimed cop, and then I didn't know who to go for next. I don't vote haphazardly and I didn't like any of the lynches. We can argue if that's bad play after the game!
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Corrik7 posted...

Like claiming BG as BP kinda ensured they would never shoot you lol

this is what I was trying to say earlier and everybody was like NO IT WAS BRILLIANT

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

turned into the scum board

wait what

htaeD posted...

Did I miss a story there? (do I need to hear?)

Yes. No.
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MZero11 posted...

I don't vote haphazardly and I didn't like any of the lynches.

so vote somebody else if you're town???
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Tom Bombadil posted...

MZero11 posted...

I don't vote haphazardly and I didn't like any of the lynches.

so vote somebody else if you're town???

I'm not going to start a splinter lynch with like 5 minutes left

Like you can argue if it's bad play or not, but if you look at games I've played I'm very stingy with my vote and I have been voteless on Day 1 more than once, as either alignment
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MZero11 posted...

if you look at games I've played I'm very stingy with my vote and I have been voteless on Day 1 more than once, as either alignment

can anybody back this up?
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If I had to vote yesterday at deadline, I would have voted puns though. I still think him and Ulti are in cahoots but I'll explain when I get to a computer
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Chris' Music Mafia (Town Bomb)

FINAL VOTALS:

[9] - Alakazam - Scare, Zach, Plum, Sultan, Tony, Tange, Han, Leo, Corrik
[1] - Plum - Puns, (Leo), (Death), (Han), (Ben)
[1] - Leo - (Sultan), Panthera, (EDumey)
[1] - Edumey - Zam
[1] - Puns - (Crescent), IGCD
[1] - Corrik - (Scare), Ben
[0] - Zach - (Han), (Tange)
[0] - FD - (Corrik)
[0] - Crescent - (Scare), (Plum)
[0] - Han - (Crescent), (Tony)

Here's one example from last year!
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Like claiming BG as BP kinda ensured they would never shoot you lol

this is what I was trying to say earlier and everybody was like NO IT WAS BRILLIANT

I definitely didn't say it was brilliant. Just that it COULD have worked. I'm not sure anyone else really commented on it much last night.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

MZero11 posted...

I don't vote haphazardly and I didn't like any of the lynches.

so vote somebody else if you're town???

I'll add that I considered not placing a vote after I unvoted Scare. Obviously I decided to vote SBell. But I did consider not placing a vote.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

that's 7 quote blocks- still reading

That's the Tom I kind of expected more of D1.

Tom Bombadil posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its cool. If I get flipped, you go down.

I feel like this is way too chill for a tracker whose counter isn't being bought and even if I am wrong, town igcd for scum ulti isn't the worst deal I've ever heard of. Leaning IGCD so far.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm not even going to bother.

frickin' right when I had about settled into an ulti vote

If we assume IGCD is town I think both of these are consistent with how he played yesterday. Throwing votes down and not caring to tell the rest of us any reasons why.
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Let's say the we lynch Ulti and he indeed flips scum. Then MZero's miller claim gets really fishy. If Ulti gets lynched, then that's likely because we don't have another scanner countering IGCD's claim. If we don't have another scanner, then we don't have a cop. If we don't have a cop, why do we have a miller?
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MZero11 posted...

Here's one example from last year!

okay thanks

OKAY SO I am gonna try the ol' inductive reasoning (or is it deductive? I always mix those up) Just let me visualize for a sec here.

Presupposing that....

ULTI IS TOWN

And, Puns is town
...and IGCD is town, why is one of ulti/igcd still lying? (X)
...and IGCD is scum, it's a simple case of him getting trap'D (O)

And, Puns is scum
...and IGCD is town, why is one of ulti/igcd still lying? (X)
...and IGCD is scum, he tried to save Puns and Ulti just got (un?)lucky (O)

ULTI IS SCUM

And, Puns is town
...and IGCD is town, it's a simple case of Ulti getting countered (O)
...and IGCD is scum, it's a bus attempt. Seems weird but technically plausible (O)

And, Puns is scum
...and IGCD is town, IGCD caught Ulti trying to bus Puns (O)
...and IGCD is scum, the scumteam is doing their dangedest to....deflect from town lynches? (X)

So, out of 8 permutations, three don't make enough sense to consider. Out of the other 5, there are 3 where Ulti's scum (but one's a stretch); 2 where Puns is scum; and 3 where IGCD is scum (but one's a stretch). Telling us....nothing, really.

If Ulti is town, IGCD is scum.
If Ulti is scum, IGCD and Puns lean town.
If Puns is town, IGCD and Ulti lean scum.
If Puns is scum, exactly one of IGCD and Ulti is scum.
If IGCD is town, Ulti is scum.
If IGCD is scum, Ulti and Puns lean town

so my big takeaway is that Ulti and IGCD are probably on different teams, and Puns is less scummy than them and will give us less info if he flips. ~ACE LOGICIAN~

@pezloco did I do any part of that correctly
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pezloco posted...

If we don't have a cop, why do we have a miller?

w i f o m ~

....except Sultan doesn't strike me as the type to mess with people's heads like that. That's a me or you hosting move :P
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pezloco posted...

Let's say the we lynch Ulti and he indeed flips scum. Then MZero's miller claim gets really fishy. If Ulti gets lynched, then that's likely because we don't have another scanner countering IGCD's claim. If we don't have another scanner, then we don't have a cop. If we don't have a cop, why do we have a miller?

Why would the cop counter IGCD? It's possible to have both

And I have seen games with a miller and no cop
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cop+tracker+weak bp+presumably other defense is kinda a lot for 15, isn't it?
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MZero11 posted...

pezloco posted...

Let's say the we lynch Ulti and he indeed flips scum. Then MZero's miller claim gets really fishy. If Ulti gets lynched, then that's likely because we don't have another scanner countering IGCD's claim. If we don't have another scanner, then we don't have a cop. If we don't have a cop, why do we have a miller?

Why would the cop counter IGCD? It's possible to have both

And I have seen games with a miller and no cop

Note the hedges in my paragraph. I leave plenty of room for WIFOM. I said your claim is a lot more fishy. I did not say that you are confirmed scum.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

MZero11 posted...

Here's one example from last year!

okay thanks

OKAY SO I am gonna try the ol' inductive reasoning (or is it deductive? I always mix those up) Just let me visualize for a sec here.

Presupposing that....

ULTI IS TOWN

And, Puns is town
...and IGCD is town, why is one of ulti/igcd still lying? (X)
...and IGCD is scum, it's a simple case of him getting trap'D (O)

And, Puns is scum
...and IGCD is town, why is one of ulti/igcd still lying? (X)
...and IGCD is scum, he tried to save Puns and Ulti just got (un?)lucky (O)

ULTI IS SCUM

And, Puns is town
...and IGCD is town, it's a simple case of Ulti getting countered (O)
...and IGCD is scum, it's a bus attempt. Seems weird but technically plausible (O)

And, Puns is scum
...and IGCD is town, IGCD caught Ulti trying to bus Puns (O)
...and IGCD is scum, the scumteam is doing their dangedest to....deflect from town lynches? (X)

So, out of 8 permutations, three don't make enough sense to consider. Out of the other 5, there are 3 where Ulti's scum (but one's a stretch); 2 where Puns is scum; and 3 where IGCD is scum (but one's a stretch). Telling us....nothing, really.

If Ulti is town, IGCD is scum.
If Ulti is scum, IGCD and Puns lean town.
If Puns is town, IGCD and Ulti lean scum.
If Puns is scum, exactly one of IGCD and Ulti is scum.
If IGCD is town, Ulti is scum.
If IGCD is scum, Ulti and Puns lean town

so my big takeaway is that Ulti and IGCD are probably on different teams, and Puns is less scummy than them and will give us less info if he flips. ~ACE LOGICIAN~

@pezloco did I do any part of that correctly

Pretty solid. But you can take some of the (O)'s farther. Like the only (O) that has Ulti as town is a big stretch, to me, if we don't have another scanner counter. I will trust a scanner with a scum scan until I have strong reason not to.

Also the (O) with both IGCD and Ulti as scum but Puns as town, this sets up IGCD nicely to coast to endgame. He claimed a scanner yes, but if a cop counters he can argue that cop and tracker are possible under certain town constructions. Or because Sultan is a first time host or something.

So I think given your analysis, if we hear no other claims today, then Ulti is likely scum, but it's still possible a null on both IGCD and Puns. I personally think IGCD is town and am null on Puns.
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I find it highly unlikely that theyre all scum. Its just too much a stretch to have one guy lie to bus another guys lie to cover another bus attempt. Like who the fuck would go that deep with their fake out.
Id say its more likely that Corrik would be the third over IGCD. He was all over that puns kill with Ulti which if it played out makes them look great. Corrik 180d real quick but then that could be explained by him believing Ulti until he was caught.
I think it could definitely have been a bus attempt that got derailed. Also Ulti is really adamant about puns being town which if Ulti is scum is a massive red flag.
Pez, panth and death. You guys are my strongest town reads right now. If ulti flips scum why do you think he is so adamant about puns being town

Ok i think i missed igcds claim in my skim. May have missed a page entirely even

Leafeon13N posted...

Ok i think i missed igcds claim in my skim. May have missed a page entirely even

post 214
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pezloco posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Ok i think i missed igcds claim in my skim. May have missed a page entirely even

post 214

First hinted it in post 178
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so my big takeaway is that Ulti and IGCD are probably on different teams

No shit sherlock

(Excuse the harsh language, Tom. I couldnt resist.)
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5tarscream posted...

I find it highly unlikely that theyre all scum. Its just too much a stretch to have one guy lie to bus another guys lie to cover another bus attempt. Like who the fuck would go that deep with their fake out.
Id say its more likely that Corrik would be the third over IGCD. He was all over that puns kill with Ulti which if it played out makes them look great. Corrik 180d real quick but then that could be explained by him believing Ulti until he was caught.
I think it could definitely have been a bus attempt that got derailed. Also Ulti is really adamant about puns being town which if Ulti is scum is a massive red flag.
Pez, panth and death. You guys are my strongest town reads right now. If ulti flips scum why do you think he is so adamant about puns being town

Regardless of Ulti's alignment, I don't take anything he says seriously after how this game has played out. But it's a null tell on Puns alignment if Ulti is scum. Ulti could be trying to save a scum buddy from suspicion or he could be trying to rally support behind him, either Puns because he's being defended or people like Tom who said Puns looks the best out of all three people stuck in that claim - counter claim - counter counter claim.
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pezloco posted...

But it's a null tell on Puns alignment if Ulti is scum. Ulti could be trying to save a scum buddy from suspicion

OK I know I'm biased but I'm pretty sure this can be ruled out. Ulti threw out my name for lynch like 69 times after I left at the end of day 1 and not a single person voted me I don't think. lol

htaeD posted...

No s*** sherlock

hey man I already made fun of myself in that same post!
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Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

cop+tracker+weak bp+presumably other defense is kinda a lot for 15, isn't it?

Maybe, but the other roles could be weakened just like the bp was
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That should have said *possibly faking.

Of which I see like 0.0001 % chance anyway.
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htaeD posted...

Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

I wonder who that was
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Scum had an extra kill. I doubt sultan gives town just a 1shot BP as its only protection after he went through Endgame mafia.
But host meta is dangerous.
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MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

I wonder who that was

Ohright.

We still wont somehow, didnt we?
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htaeD posted...

Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

Right, so Ulti is still likely scum.
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htaeD posted...

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

That's actually a really good point- Scum!IGCD bussing Scum!Ulti would set him up super pretty but then he'd still be expected to drum up info for the rest of the game, which requires a good bit of luck (or info?) or a bunch of fake scum scans which can fall apart real fast
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htaeD posted...

MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

I wonder who that was

Ohright.

We still wont somehow, didnt we?

Yeah cause Corrik is a beast

In hindsight I played that terribly but the fact that it was so terrible allowed Corrik to bus me and turn the tide
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MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

Also IGCD faking this reminds me of a past game where someone sold a scummate out for entirely shortsighted gains.

That said, IGCDs claim is really hard to fake/pull off for more than one night.

I wonder who that was

Ohright.

We still wont somehow, didnt we?

Yeah cause Corrik is a beast

In hindsight I played that terribly but the fact that it was so terrible allowed Corrik to bus me and turn the tide

This is why Im cautious of Corrik he is super capable of jumping all over Ulti for fucking up bussing him and even have Ulti go too far in a confrontation. Ulti getting modkilled is the same as him getting lynched but makes it look less likely that he and Corrik are buddies

A scum modkill doesnt stop the day, does it?
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Its my bedtime. Talk amongst yourselves

htaeD posted...

A scum modkill doesnt stop the day, does it?

I suppose that's up to host. But I wouldn't expect it to.
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