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Romulox28
06/03/19 9:33:12 AM
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my current desktop has seen better days & i was thinking of doing a new build, but the more i think of it the more i wonder if its even worth it:

- PC hardware is obviously a lot more expensive than consoles, esp if you want something beyond a real budget build

- besides MOBAs i cant really think of any "PC style" games you can only play there. fps are on consoles, MMOs and RTS are basically dead, etc

- everything has matchmaking now so there are no longer server communities

- a lot of PC games are half assed lazy console ports, unoptimized messes etc

- mods arent really a thing anymore like they used to be

i guess kb&m is a plus if you play a lot of shooters but thats all that comes to mind for me. what keeps you guys playing on PC, is it just because you're a computer enthusiast?
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DevsBro
06/03/19 9:36:47 AM
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The most compelling argument for PC gaming in the present day is actually that it's more similar now to console gaming than it has ever been. By that I mean, the Xbox controller standard means you're pretty much guaranteed to not have to use dumbass keyboard controls for a platformer or whatever.
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Thompson
06/03/19 9:44:48 AM
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There are dozens, if not hundreds of fantastic games from the past few decades that you can play on PC, and that does not include console games that can played via emulators.
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Guide
06/03/19 9:46:03 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
my current desktop has seen better days & i was thinking of doing a new build, but the more i think of it the more i wonder if its even worth it:

- PC hardware is obviously a lot more expensive than consoles, esp if you want something beyond a real budget build

- besides MOBAs i cant really think of any "PC style" games you can only play there. fps are on consoles, MMOs and RTS are basically dead, etc

- everything has matchmaking now so there are no longer server communities

- a lot of PC games are half assed lazy console ports, unoptimized messes etc

- mods arent really a thing anymore like they used to be

i guess kb&m is a plus if you play a lot of shooters but thats all that comes to mind for me. what keeps you guys playing on PC, is it just because you're a computer enthusiast?


This is a pretty good troll to expose people who don't know 'bout pcs.
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Cheater87
06/03/19 9:50:01 AM
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I do it for mods, yeah Doom has had many console ports over the years, but they are the same levels, on PC you can add countless levels and new weapons and monsters as well! Can't do that on the consoles.
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kirbymuncher
06/03/19 10:06:21 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
- a lot of PC games are half assed lazy console ports, unoptimized messes etc

this is kinda an interesting point

A lot of console ports are poorly optimized or just not great in general. But there are a lot of native PC games that are pretty good. If this is really a big dealbreaker for you then it suggests to me you mostly want to play console games in which case you might be better off just sticking with consoles?
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Romulox28
06/03/19 10:12:17 AM
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Guide posted...
This is a pretty good troll to expose people who don't know 'bout pcs.

im genuinely asking, idk how anything i said is trolling

kirbymuncher posted...
A lot of console ports are poorly optimized or just not great in general. But there are a lot of native PC games that are pretty good. If this is really a big dealbreaker for you then it suggests to me you mostly want to play console games in which case you might be better off just sticking with consoles?

heres a recent example, the new game Warhammer Chaosbane. I like ARPGs a lot so I was interested in this, and all the reviews I read for it pointed out how you cant change any graphics settings besides just the resolution. there are a bunch of other games with issues like this but i cant remember them now
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codey
06/03/19 10:17:10 AM
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I'm kind of in the same boat. My PC is a few years out of date now, but most of the games I'm actually interested in playing that are PC exclusive are indie games that generally aren't super intensive. Pretty much everything else is on everything these days, and tons of indie titles are coming to Switch now, so I'm stoked for that.
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Meganekko
06/03/19 10:19:41 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
- a lot of PC games are half assed lazy console ports, unoptimized messes etc

They still manage to be better than the console versions

and all the reviews I read for it pointed out how you cant change any graphics settings besides just the resolution.

This is the weirdest thing I've seen PC users cry about for quite a few games. They really aren't needed, if the game is at its highest settings by default anyway
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Romulox28
06/03/19 10:25:33 AM
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Meganekko posted...
This is the weirdest thing I've seen PC users cry about for quite a few games. They really aren't needed, if the game is at its highest settings by default anyway

i have an older pc so for a lot of games i like to adjust certain settings to make it run better, i.e. put shadows on low, turn off anti-aliasing etc
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codey
06/03/19 10:31:37 AM
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Meganekko posted...
Romulox28 posted...
- a lot of PC games are half assed lazy console ports, unoptimized messes etc

They still manage to be better than the console versions

and all the reviews I read for it pointed out how you cant change any graphics settings besides just the resolution.

This is the weirdest thing I've seen PC users cry about for quite a few games. They really aren't needed, if the game is at its highest settings by default anyway


What? Unless your PC has never been out out specced by a game you surely have had to drop the settings from max.
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Meganekko
06/03/19 10:32:36 AM
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codey posted...
What? Unless your PC has never been out out specced by a game you surely have had to drop the settings from max.

The kinds of games that don't have settings aren't hard to run
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Guide
06/03/19 10:33:59 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
Guide posted...
This is a pretty good troll to expose people who don't know 'bout pcs.

im genuinely asking, idk how anything i said is trolling


Alright, I can always give the benefit of the doubt.

-PC hardware, even with bitcoin fucking consumers over, is still cheaper for the same specs as (console), on average.

-MMOs and RTS are still insanely popular, dunno where you got the idea otherwise. WoW is dying, but it's just one single game. Starcraft 2 majors are basically the World Series, in that it takes too long but people who don't care about the game still watch it anyways.

-There are still server communities. The trend towards matchmaking is fairly recent.

- Lazy console ports? Yes, but the reverse is true. Lazy ports aren't a PC-specific thing. How many titles can you list that this applies to?

-Mods are still big. Like, I don't know what you mean. You can have Thomas the Tank Engine and Rainbow Dash fight each other in an unfortunate amount of games.

A lot of your points are "x isn't as popular as before", but like, what brought you to those conclusions, and why do you think popularity reflects quality?
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MC_BatCommander
06/03/19 10:43:33 AM
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Fast load times, better resolution, and superior frame rates

On the rare occasion the PC version is bad I have my PS4
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Giant_Aspirin
06/03/19 10:47:29 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
what keeps you guys playing on PC


- superior hardware options; i can pick the hardware that best suits my needs
- hardware / peripheral selection: kb/m, xbone, dual shock 4, switch pro, the choice is mine
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"
- cheaper games
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I Like Toast
06/03/19 10:50:50 AM
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Wanting to play online without an additional fee
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SkittyOnWailord
06/03/19 10:50:54 AM
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PC has hentai games.
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Romulox28
06/03/19 10:52:30 AM
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Guide posted...
-PC hardware, even with bitcoin fucking consumers over, is still cheaper for the same specs as (console), on average.

i meant more like when you want to buy a game system so you either get the best console available or build a PC to your specifications, assuming you're not cutting corners on a budget build the console is always going to be cheaper

Guide posted...
-MMOs and RTS are still insanely popular, dunno where you got the idea otherwise. WoW is dying, but it's just one single game. Starcraft 2 majors are basically the World Series, in that it takes too long but people who don't care about the game still watch it anyways.

idk, i dont think MMOs or RTS are nearly as popular as they were even a decade ago, they are both very much niche genres now esp in the US

Guide posted...
A lot of your points are "x isn't as popular as before", but like, what brought you to those conclusions, and why do you think popularity reflects quality?

its just that there was an old style of gaming PCs had that initially attracted me to pc gaming like 15 years ago, but now that style has pretty much become homogeneous with console gaming so i have a hard time seeing the point of buying a new PC

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Wanting to play online without an additional fee

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codey
06/03/19 10:55:41 AM
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One thing I love about console gaming is that for that generation, every game on it runs at max specs without the gamer having to really worry about anything. With PC gaming, to keep that up you've got to keep upgrading. It's great that PC games can push the envelope, but I don't know if it's cost effective for the average Joe anymore.
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DevsBro
06/03/19 10:57:32 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.
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MC_BatCommander
06/03/19 10:58:52 AM
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codey posted...
One thing I love about console gaming is that for that generation, every game on it runs at max specs without the gamer having to really worry about anything. With PC gaming, to keep that up you've got to keep upgrading. It's great that PC games can push the envelope, but I don't know if it's cost effective for the average Joe anymore.


Max specs is a bit of a stretch, especially this gen where it seems like maintaining even 30 fps is a struggle for consoles.
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garlic powder
06/03/19 11:00:15 AM
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DevsBro posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.


Wait, wait wait....you had that game, too?

Packard Bell package in like 1995???
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DevsBro
06/03/19 11:21:14 AM
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garlic powder posted...
DevsBro posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.


Wait, wait wait....you had that game, too?

Packard Bell package in like 1995???

Yeah, something like that. It came with Spider-Man Cartoon Maker and some submarine game called Silent Steel that I never got very far in (it might have even just been a demo), plus I think some other stuff too.

JMPT is, to this day, one of the best games ever IMO. That scene on Mars where the robot threatens you blew my little mind. Especially considering he actually follows through if you don't oblige. I was used to games where you just killed everything, so that was a rude awakening lol.
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MakoReizei
06/03/19 11:24:50 AM
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Ironically consoles are better for AAA eye candy games.

You don't need a super powerful PC to play the best it has to offer
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garlic powder
06/03/19 11:31:29 AM
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DevsBro posted...
garlic powder posted...
DevsBro posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.


Wait, wait wait....you had that game, too?

Packard Bell package in like 1995???

Yeah, something like that. It came with Spider-Man Cartoon Maker and some submarine game called Silent Steel that I never got very far in (it might have even just been a demo), plus I think some other stuff too.

JMPT is, to this day, one of the best games ever IMO. That scene on Mars where the robot threatens you blew my little mind. Especially considering he actually follows through if you don't oblige. I was used to games where you just killed everything, so that was a rude awakening lol.


DUDE. That game was kinda scary as a kid. Yeah, Silent Steel was like a CYOA before they got popular and with real footage. Was a neat game.

Spiderman Cartoon Maker was a very fun game with hours of entertainment to be had.

But yeah, Journeyman Project Turbo was...something else. I never actually beat it until I revisited it as an adult. I would immediately jump back into the time machine every time that one guy shot like a tranquilizer dart at you. Wasn't sure what to do there. The Mars part was scary as hell...I remember when that happened to me the first time, too.
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megamanfreakXD
06/03/19 11:33:18 AM
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ITT: gaming pc is used for only gaming.
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Romulox28
06/03/19 11:38:27 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
ITT: gaming pc is used for only gaming.

honestly i think the average person, myself included, doesnt really have a need for a high powered computer unless they're interested in playing games
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HypnoCoosh
06/03/19 11:39:02 AM
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I recently got into PC gaming (last 12 months or less).

I've basically been a console gamer and still am since Atari/NES.

However, having a PC for gaming is really a nice extra option as you can get a ton of games dirt cheap and you can play games across many decades/platforms.

I've stumbled into so many cool titles I missed or never heard of. IMO it's good to have both PC and consoles for gaming.
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Guide
06/03/19 2:50:36 PM
#30:


Romulox28 posted...
megamanfreakXD posted...
ITT: gaming pc is used for only gaming.

honestly i think the average person, myself included, doesnt really have a need for a high powered computer unless they're interested in playing games


Though if you can afford to go high end, you may as well network the house.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/03/19 3:18:16 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
Guide posted...
-MMOs and RTS are still insanely popular, dunno where you got the idea otherwise. WoW is dying, but it's just one single game. Starcraft 2 majors are basically the World Series, in that it takes too long but people who don't care about the game still watch it anyways.

idk, i dont think MMOs or RTS are nearly as popular as they were even a decade ago, they are both very much niche genres now esp in the US


Total War: Three Kingdoms just sold 1 million copies in its first week. You are definitely underestimating the popularity of strategy games. Yeah, traditional RTS aren't really big anymore. In fact, I can't even really think of anyone making them now. Starcraft 2 is still going strong of course, and there's that Command and Conquer remake. And while strategy games are mostly on consoles too now, most of the time they are vastly superior for PC, as that is what they were made for. In fact, there are a lot of games where the PC version is the superior version of the game. And it's not even because of access to mods or better performance/graphics. The PC version may just get access to content earlier or be the favored version of the developer. Look at A Hat in Time. All its DLC so far has been solely for the PC version. Console players are missing out.
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I Like Toast
06/03/19 6:01:45 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Total War: Three Kingdoms just sold 1 million copies in its first week

Now eliminate China

Strategy games aren't dying by any means, but it's niche. Mobas killed rts and moba has gone stale
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GeneralKenobi85
06/03/19 6:14:03 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Total War: Three Kingdoms just sold 1 million copies in its first week

Now eliminate China

Strategy games aren't dying by any means, but it's niche. Mobas killed rts and moba has gone stale

Still, the strategy genre as a whole is one big reason to go PC over console. If you're into that genre of course.
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I Like Toast
06/03/19 6:16:19 PM
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If it interested you, you'd already be playing it
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justaguy3492
06/03/19 6:18:12 PM
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After being on PC for a little over 2 years I can't imagine going back to FPS on console.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/03/19 6:33:21 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
If it interested you, you'd already be playing it

I'm too cheap to get it at full price. Also been too busy playing Warhammer 2.
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RoxyReturns
06/03/19 6:34:49 PM
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i'd love to play cities skylines with all dlc and gtav with 8gb gpu and i9 5.0ghz
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MarqueeSeries
06/03/19 6:43:49 PM
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RTS definitely isn't dead, Total War Three Kingdoms sold >1 million copies in like a week

Didn't see that someone else already posted this but yeah

Plus all the other strategy games like Civ 6 and hearts of iron come to think of it
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TomNook20
06/03/19 6:46:13 PM
#39:


You get all the games and the best versions of them, and you don't have to pony up for some other device (or 2 of them). If you never use a desktop, then it might make more sense for you to have a console, but if you're going to have a desktop anyway, it's a no brainier to make it gaming capable.
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I Like Toast
06/03/19 7:01:33 PM
#40:


MarqueeSeries posted...
RTS definitely isn't dead, Total War Three Kingdoms sold >1 million copies in like a week


no one plays total war for the rts part of it that's like playing persona for the RPG part and not the dating sim part
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kirbymuncher
06/03/19 7:13:57 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Plus all the other strategy games like Civ 6 and hearts of iron come to think of it

These aren't RTS though <_<

I agree with TC that RTS as a genre is not where it once was but there's still enough people around to play games with, how large of a community do you really need anyway
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RoboLaserGandhi
06/03/19 7:15:31 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
i guess kb&m is a plus if you play a lot of shooters

More and more console games are supporting it.
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SocialistGamer
06/03/19 7:17:20 PM
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Not paying for online
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CruelBuffalo
06/03/19 7:19:53 PM
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The point of PC gaming is to cry on reddit or gaming message boards about slight inconveniences or to not understand the benefits of companies you don't like
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DevsBro
06/03/19 7:30:04 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
If it interested you, you'd already be playing it

ITT: nobody on Earth has a backlog
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I Like Toast
06/04/19 4:41:31 PM
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DevsBro posted...

ITT: nobody on Earth has a backlog

I meant if games like total war interested you, you'd already have a pc to play them

But that's literally how backlogs get made, new game comes out that makes you stop your old one. Or the new game sucks and you go back to your log and say you'll come back to the new one when it's patched/dlc/expansion/fan modded
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Giant_Aspirin
06/04/19 4:47:41 PM
#48:


DevsBro posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.


definitely a valid point. i don't keep all of my consoles hooked up, only the current ones. so if i wanted to play SMW on my SNES i'd have to go upstairs, dig out the SNES and hook it up to my TV which requires messing with inputs and blah blah. and _most of the time_ someone has already ran into the same issue and the solution is readily available.

Windows 10 has been better for me WRT playing older games than Win7 was.
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Romulox28
06/04/19 4:48:48 PM
#49:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
DevsBro posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
- no 'generations' to deal with: games i buy today will still be playable on the same interface in 10, 20 years. i can play games i bought 20 years ago without doing anything more than clicking "Install"

It's a bit of an ordeal for some games. For example, i had to jump through some hoops to plat The Journeyman Project Turbo on W7. Plus, I don't even have to click install to play Super Mario World. I just have to swap the cart.


definitely a valid point. i don't keep all of my consoles hooked up, only the current ones. so if i wanted to play SMW on my SNES i'd have to go upstairs, dig out the SNES and hook it up to my TV which requires messing with inputs and blah blah. and _most of the time_ someone has already ran into the same issue and the solution is readily available.

Windows 10 has been better for me WRT playing older games than Win7 was.

having all your old consoles and shit in boxes is one of my least favorite things about video games. makes me feel like a hoarder
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AvantgardeAClue
06/04/19 4:59:08 PM
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Even shooters aren't too great on PC lol

Rainbow Six Siege is overrun with hackers despite being one of the most popular shooters on the platform

All console players have to deal with are glitches that are eventually fixed

Black Ops 4 has the shitty Battle.net integration and servers that aren't even in the same country as some people
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