Current Events > people who literally think the Nazis were socialist

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lmao

The Nazis were many things, but they weren't liars.
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They were Anti-Socialists.
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yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind
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MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

I almost have a Masters in Political Science and I will probably get my PhD later on. My BA was also in Political Science, you literally have no idea wtf you're talking about.

They were National Socialists. Totes different.
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MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

Yeah why do people say North Korea and Congo are not Democratic republics? And how is Putin not a democratically elected President?
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bUt iT'S iN ThEIr NaME!
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MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

SH_expert44 posted...

They were National Socialists. Totes different.

See, these guys agree with the Nazis on the importance of honesty.
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Anyone arguing that the Nazis were socialists is trolling. It's really as simple as that.
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it's funny how bent out of shape some people get over this. like you're committing heresy
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Anyone arguing that the Nazis were socialists is trolling. It's really as simple as that.

Some of them are just dumb and/or regurgitating gotchas they saw on breitbart
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I dont get why they called themselves socialists. Did they hijack socialists or evolved from socialism? If I recall correctly Hitler was really a socialist, anti war, artist until he got into power.

cerealbox760 posted...

I dont get why they called themselves socialists. Did they hijack socialists or evolved from socialism? If I recall correctly Hitler was really a socialist, anti war, artist until he got into power.

Basically Hitler was sent to spy on political parties and then found this workerist party and thought it was cool so he started giving speeches and then he figured why change the name?

Are we trying to summon Mal Fet by saying this phrase three times?

this is such a bait topic

like it fucking matters

socialist is in the name. are they-by definition-socialist? idk, who cares? they were pieces of shit, thats all that matters.

fascist/socialist/ist ist ist

such a shitty topic
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spudger posted...

I'm mad that girls at my school don't think I'm cute

Politics posted...

spudger posted...

I'm mad that girls at my school don't think I'm cute

like the rest of your topic, this is low effort.
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Dinesh D'Souza
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Nazis were socialists because they sought to have the state take over and seize the means of production and nationalize entire industries.

The word "privatization" was literally invented to describe Nazi Germany's economic policy. Whatever money your parents paid into your education, they deserve to get their money back.
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"it wasn't real socialism"
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Explain how Nazis using the state to take over and seize the means of production and nationalizing entire industries is different from the Soviets doing the same lol. Neither of them caused tyranny by slashing regulations and leaving everyone the hell alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

Ctrl+f "privatization" and then "nationalization" and report back with what you find. Take all the time you need buddy.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Explain how Nazis using the state to take over and seize the means of production

you are a shining example of the DunningKruger effect

socialism calls for the workers to take over the means of production

the Nazis were not workers, they were overseers. businesses and corporations were still operated in their normal capitalist sense, where the profits flowed upward into the owner class. the only difference is that the government had much more of a hand in how things operated

the name was chosen partially because it was inherited from the previous party that Hitler took control of, and partially because he was seeking to appeal to Germans from all walks of life. just read through the full title of the party, National Socialist German Worker's Party - it's a collection of buzzwords from both the right and the left, meant to appeal to nationalists and workers alike

also, the Nazis were fervently anti-communist, which makes the comparison even more hilarious because socialism directly influenced Marx and his theory of communism

treewojima posted...

also, the Nazis were fervently anti-communist, which makes the comparison even more hilarious because socialism directly influenced Marx and his theory of communism

Yeah, they literally burned the Reichstag so they had a pretext to throw the actual communists into the first camps.
Then they threw the social democrats into the camps, just to be sure. Then everyone else that opposed them.

I mean, the Nazis were literally invited into government by conservative monarchists who were doing everything in their power to undermine German democracy(one historian, I forget his name, coined an especially poetic descriptor for President Paul von Hindenburg: "the gravedigger of democracy" or something like that). Their aim was to use them as a cudgel against the communists and then tossing them aside/absorbing the less extreme elements, but they were the ones who got tossed aside/absorbed.

MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

Democratic People Republic of North Korea
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MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

Honestly how are you so dumb

Saying that the Nazis were socialists because Hitler called it the National Socialist party is putting a lot of faith in the words of Hitler
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Dark_Garioshi posted...

Saying that the Nazis were socialists because Hitler called it the National Socialist party is putting a lot of faith in the words of Hitler

i wonder why people would do that
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The only people who care about this are right wing and left wing extremists.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

yeah how could anyone think the national socialists were socialist? boggles the mind

Democratic People Republic of North Korea

It's just Korea, no North in the title, but your point remains.
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It had some(not all) of its roots in socialism in the beginning, that much is sure. As in, the 1920s. Not wholly socialist though since, as others have pointed out, the NSDAP was violently anti-communist and while many of its members like Rohm, the Strasser brothers and Goebbels were socialist, other prominent members like Goering and von Neurath were linked with the army/old Prussian aristocracy and decidedly anti-socialist. But as a minor fledgling party the Nazis didn't have the luxury to accept people based on their political position; if you were violent, an anti-commie and against the current Weimar Republic, then.you were welcome.

Said socialist vibes were long forsaken by Hitler himself by the time the Nazis came to power in 1933, since as a way to win Germany's elections he'd allied himself with the industrialists and 'big business' by that time. Obviously the socialist elements like Rohm, his SA and the Strassers objected to this, which is why they were all eliminated in a bloody purge the next year; Goebbels was only spared because he'd already defected to Hitler and his cult of personality years previously and was only fanatically loyal to whatever Hitler said, renouncing his own political views.

Nobody in their right mind who knows about Nazi history can possibly call them socialists after that massacre.
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The same people who think the nazis weren't socialists despite them being called the socialist party are the same people who swear that antifa is actually anti-fascist, cause it's in their name ya know?
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"antifa stands for anti fascist, it's in the name sweaty and if you disagree you are a fascist"

"wtf nazis aren't socialist"
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what is your definition of socialism or socialist economic policy, because it appears it's quite different from mine and other posters in this topic

treewojima posted...

what is your definition of socialism or socialist economic policy, because it appears it's quite different from mine and other posters in this topic

It's when the government does stuff. :P

treewojima posted...

what is your definition of socialism or socialist economic policy, because it appears it's quite different from mine and other posters in this topic

I'm starting to think he can't tell the difference between socialism and simple autocracy.

'Governmental control? SOCIALISM!'
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RoadsterUFO posted...

I have a copy of the Communist Manifesto. Hitler apparently doing more or less what Marx wrote word for word in the second section of the Manifesto isnt socialism because he fought other socialists lol. Youre not arguing how Hitlers economic implementations werent socialist in their nature.

The second section? Where Marx and Engels call for the abolition of private property and wage labor, among other things?

RoadsterUFO posted...

I have a copy of the Communist Manifesto. Hitler apparently doing more or less what Marx wrote word for word in the second section of the Manifesto isnt socialism because he fought other socialists lol.

Alrighty. Let's see what the good old Communist Manifesto's second section says, then. Gimme the summary:

(...) The communists' party will not oppose other working-class parties,(...)

Lolnope

(...) it will express the general will and defend the common interests of the world's proletariat as a whole, independent of all nationalities.(...)

Lolnope to the max

(...) The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demandsamong them a progressive income tax; abolition of inheritances and private property;(...)

Lolnope

(...) nationalisation of the means of transport and communication; centralisation of credit via a national bank; expansion of publicly owned (...)

Nope again.

What was Hitler doing word-for-word according to the Manifesto, again?

RoadsterUFO posted...

Youre not arguing how Hitlers economic implementations werent socialist in their nature.

Don't have to. @treewojima succinctly explained it and whatever I say on that would be merely parroting him and the link he provided.

If you read those and still think the Nazis were socialist, I guess we're not going to agree on this issue, ever.
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