Poll of the Day > Do you approve of elizabeth warren's plan for student loan debt forgiveness?

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iirc kamala harris and bernie sanders also want student loan forgiveness
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Nope. This policy of having zero accountability for any of your actions that the left is pushing is fucking garbage. It's not society's job to pay for your poor choices.
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The_tall_midget posted...

Nope. This policy of having zero accountability for any of your actions that the left is pushing is fucking garbage. It's not society's job to pay for your poor choices.

This right here.

It is calculated risk - same as playing the stock market, buying a house, etc.

If you aren't willing to take the risk and be in debt - then don't do it.

College isn't for everyone, and most of those with debt shouldn't have gone in the first place. It sucks, but actions have consequences.

Yeah. Society should not have to pay because some angry feminist decided she wanted to major in lesbian dance therapy or useless gender studies just so she could complain about there not being enough women in STEM fields... instead of joining a STEM field.
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Because things worked out for me I think it should work out for everyone and if it didn't then it's their fault and they did something wrong, I'm against it
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I'm not sure of the specifics. I'm in favor of student load debt forgiveness in general... There is the emotional part of me that wants to get upset over silly degrees, but I know that is generally just exaggerations and largely nonsense claims. Personally I'd only be willing to accept forgiveness for accredited degrees at public schools.

The_tall_midget posted...

Yeah. Society should not have to pay because some angry feminist decided she wanted to major in lesbian dance therapy or useless gender studies just so she could complain about there not being enough women in STEM fields... instead of joining a STEM field.

That doesn't sound like something that would be accredited and hopefully no one would ever consider a valid degree.

No

1. It's not enough. We need full student loan forgiveness.

2. We don't need free college, we need strict university reform.
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Yeah I do, despite being someone who already repaid my student loans

I think about people like my brother in law or my nieces who would really benefit of the opportunity at higher education without having to take on the burden of so much debt. Having an overall more educated populous would benefit society in countless ways.
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Mead posted...

Yeah I do

why do you? did you read those dudes' arguments above you?
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Yes. We also need education reform though, or it's not going to matter much in the long run.
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JebronLames posted...

Mead posted...

Yeah I do

why do you? did you read those dudes' arguments above you?

I did read them. Some of them have fair points, and some are just mad.
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Yes, to a certain extent. There's no goddamn reason some of those classes should be as expensive as they are. Either that or trim down all those bullshit required courses necessary for a degree.

You'll notice that most people advocating for paying for people idiotic choices and irresponsibility happen to be leftists. While people advocating for people being responsible and not making idiotic choices happen to be people who are either centrist or more right leaning.

As usual.
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yes, to a certain extent. There's no goddamn reason some of those classes should be as expensive as they are. Either that or trim down all those bullshit required courses necessary for a degree.

Why not both? Why the fuck did I have to take trigonometry and algebra for my Associate's degree, which was Criminal justice/theories of criminal law? The math doesn't benefit me at all. The department of education says I need it

Also, my bachelor's degree was supposed to be 30k. My student loans that I took out and have to pay back is 35k. I still had to pay out of pocket to complete my degree (another 5k). Various fees and a class I was supposed to take at the beginning of my studies was their claim. Just stupid.

There's no reason schools should be 50k a semester. NONE.
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CTLM posted...

CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yes, to a certain extent. There's no goddamn reason some of those classes should be as expensive as they are. Either that or trim down all those bullshit required courses necessary for a degree.

Why not both? Why the fuck did I have to take trigonometry and algebra for my Associate's degree, which was Criminal justice/theories of criminal law? The math doesn't benefit me at all. The department of education says I need it

Also, my bachelor's degree was supposed to be 30k. My student loans that I took out and have to pay back is 35k. I still had to pay out of pocket to complete my degree (another 5k). Various fees and a class I was supposed to take at the beginning of my studies was their claim. Just stupid.

There's no reason schools should be 50k a semester. NONE.

I'm pretty sure you aren't going to get 50k a semester unless you start looking at private schools, in which case that is a decision you're making.

CTLM posted...

CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yes, to a certain extent. There's no goddamn reason some of those classes should be as expensive as they are. Either that or trim down all those bullshit required courses necessary for a degree.

Why not both? Why the fuck did I have to take trigonometry and algebra for my Associate's degree, which was Criminal justice/theories of criminal law? The math doesn't benefit me at all. The department of education says I need it

Also, my bachelor's degree was supposed to be 30k. My student loans that I took out and have to pay back is 35k. I still had to pay out of pocket to complete my degree (another 5k). Various fees and a class I was supposed to take at the beginning of my studies was their claim. Just stupid.

There's no reason schools should be 50k a semester. NONE.

Yeah, I mean I'm sure it certainly should be both. I double majored in Accounting / Logistics. The day I have an interviewer say "Well, you're qualified for the job, but since it says here that you took Physical Geology, we'd like you to tell us how igneous rocks are formed" is the day I'll apologize for bitching about all the filler courses.

I used my GI Bill, so I didnt have to take out any student loans for school. I dont know how anyone can look at the state of costs for universities nowadays and not think it's a total fucking scam.

The_tall_midget posted...

You'll notice that most people advocating for paying for people idiotic choices and irresponsibility happen to be leftists. While people advocating for people being responsible and not making idiotic choices happen to be people who are either centrist or more right leaning.

As usual.

Yeah, except I didnt take out any loans because I joined the army and then used my GI Bill. But go ahead and keep spewing your usual stupid shit.

it probably is a fucking scam but many many employers are requiring these degrees or sometimes the law requires it. That has to change too
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BlackScythe0 posted...

CTLM posted...

CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yes, to a certain extent. There's no goddamn reason some of those classes should be as expensive as they are. Either that or trim down all those bullshit required courses necessary for a degree.

Why not both? Why the fuck did I have to take trigonometry and algebra for my Associate's degree, which was Criminal justice/theories of criminal law? The math doesn't benefit me at all. The department of education says I need it

Also, my bachelor's degree was supposed to be 30k. My student loans that I took out and have to pay back is 35k. I still had to pay out of pocket to complete my degree (another 5k). Various fees and a class I was supposed to take at the beginning of my studies was their claim. Just stupid.

There's no reason schools should be 50k a semester. NONE.

I'm pretty sure you aren't going to get 50k a semester unless you start looking at private schools, in which case that is a decision you're making.

Yeah but there's no reason for them to be so expensive either

Columbia is the most expensive public school, starting at nearly 30k per semester. Just ludicrous
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isn't columbia private? an ivy?
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yeah, except I didnt take out any loans because I joined the army and then used my GI Bill. But go ahead and keep spewing your usual stupid shit.

I don't remember saying "everyone."

Is there a reason why you're taking this personally? The lady doth protest too much.
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JebronLames posted...

isn't columbia private? an ivy?

Yes. The article I was reading lumped them in with public schools for some reason. I should've known better
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Yes

I think between all the loans/grants/scholarships available prices have become bloated

With the government covering the cost of public schools I think thered be a strong incentive to trim the fat. If somebody wanted to major in womens rights or Klingon theyd likely need to get financing for a private school.
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Mead posted...

I think between all the loans/grants/scholarships available prices have become bloated

With the government covering the cost of public schools I think thered be a strong incentive to trim the fat. If somebody wanted to major in womens rights or Klingon theyd likely need to get financing for a private school.

ROFLMAO. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in, but that's not how government-funded institutions work in the real world.

HillChange posted...

Mead posted...

I think between all the loans/grants/scholarships available prices have become bloated

With the government covering the cost of public schools I think thered be a strong incentive to trim the fat. If somebody wanted to major in womens rights or Klingon theyd likely need to get financing for a private school.

ROFLMAO. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in, but that's not how government-funded institutions work in the real world.

Cause public schools have so much funding to throw around
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Less forgiveness and more reworking how much banks are allowed to give out as a loan for student loans, trim that down and school costs go down.
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i dont know what her plan is, but any debt forgiveness doesnt really work without a plan to make sure the debts dont get that high again
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Lmao

Guys, opposing this shit doesn't make you intelligent, every single plan to come out of AoC and Bernie is a proven plan that works in more developed countries.

In this case it's a fix to an exclusively American problem.

And if you would elect Bernie president already, maybe forget about sjws and Mexicans for a second, we would literally take all the money we waste on war and spend it on our own people. Just ignore all the shit Obama, Hillary, Trump, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox tells you. They are literally all funded by military contractors and private interests. I know you like them, but I don't care.

Anyone else and you're spending the same money on war.

This isn't complicated.

And if any of you were slightly competent at logical argument, you would bring up the fact that we already tried free college and it failed massively, and actually screwed up the system, because colleges realized they could charge whatever they wanted and inflated their prices to hell.

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it
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we already tried free college

inflated their prices

Wanna rephrase that?
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Yellow posted...

Like Euuurope.

I'll take things I don't want our country to be like for 200

I wish I would've taken lesbian dance therapy or gender studies, then I wouldn't feel bad about still looking for my first long-term job eight years after graduating with a STEM degree.
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unless STEM degrees are free or lower cost I dont really see how it matters whether its ~gender studies~ or whatever else
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Is it the best option? Maybe, maybe not. Is it better to actually try coming up with a solution to a very serious, growing problem than to stick your fingers in your ears and scream about responsibility as though that makes the problem any smaller? Absolutely. Sucks for the people who managed to avoid debt or pay theirs off already, but it's just not practical to demand that nobody ever solves problems you've already worked around. That's not how the world gets better.

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?
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The_tall_midget posted...

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried.

Every country with more affordable universities than the US has failed miserably?

LordRobunaga posted...

Yellow posted...

Like Euuurope.

I'll take things I don't want our country to be like for 200

Bless anyone who thinks universities are free in Europe. I'm in UK and student loans are never forgiven, but only repaid after you start earning over a certain amount per annum. That's a fair compromise imo
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levelshooter posted...

LordRobunaga posted...

Yellow posted...

Like Euuurope.

I'll take things I don't want our country to be like for 200

Bless anyone who thinks universities are free in Europe. I'm in UK and student loans are never forgiven, but only repaid after you start earning over a certain amount per annum. That's a fair compromise imo

Isnt the UK leaving Europe tho
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The_tall_midget posted...

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?

I always wonder what people are thinking when they make blatantly false statements like this.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?

I always wonder what people are thinking when they make blatantly false statements like this.

He saw something on the internet, that makes it a fact
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Mead posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?

I always wonder what people are thinking when they make blatantly false statements like this.

He saw something on the internet, that makes it a fact

People generally don't do cries for a form of genocide because they read something on the internet.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Mead posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?

I always wonder what people are thinking when they make blatantly false statements like this.

He saw something on the internet, that makes it a fact

People generally don't do cries for a form of genocide because they read something on the internet.

Yes, but we've never been given much cause to believe this fellow is particularly sane.

_AdjI_ posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Mead posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

Yellow posted...

Instead I'm arguing with people who think the lower class consists of sjw pink haired girls, and are stuck on that line of thought.

So we have to be leaders and visionaries, and find ways to make it work. Like Euuurope. Or throw a tantrum and demand that we can never do it

Except for the part where it is quite obvious and documented that most colleges have become sjw and liberal shit holes that all deserve to be cleansed of the leftist pathogen.

Oh yeah, we do know that your idiotic brand of socialism has been tried before... and it failed miserably every single time it's been tried. What does an insignificant person like you bring to the table again?

I always wonder what people are thinking when they make blatantly false statements like this.

He saw something on the internet, that makes it a fact

People generally don't do cries for a form of genocide because they read something on the internet.

Yes, but we've never been given much cause to believe this fellow is particularly sane.

I've never read his posts before this thread and holy shit he's fucking nuts
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How are today's workers supposed to get new jobs repairing the robots that replaced them at their old jobs without at least a college education and student loan debt forgiveness?
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It will only make a difference if they regulate tuition prices because those are raising way higher than the rate of inflation and college will not be affordable to anyone in America soon enough.
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dainkinkaide posted...

How are today's workers supposed to get new jobs repairing the robots that replaced them at their old jobs without at least a college education and student loan debt forgiveness?

Doing maintenance doesn't really require a degree.

Jen0125 posted...

college will not be affordable to anyone in America soon enough.

That's just plain false, but only because there are some obscenely rich people in America.

_AdjI_ posted...

Jen0125 posted...

college will not be affordable to anyone in America soon enough.

That's just plain false, but only because there are some obscenely rich people in America.

Okay.
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Jen0125 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Jen0125 posted...

college will not be affordable to anyone in America soon enough.

That's just plain false, but only because there are some obscenely rich people in America.

Okay.

How quaint. The typical board Marxists are still crying about how the system is unfair and rich people are out to get them.

We obviously need more safe spaces.
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