Poll of the Day > How efficient are balistas?

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Viking_Mudcrap 05/07/19 12:18:30 AM #1:	Game of thrones Spoilers Like, could they be as efficient as they made them seem? Seems like an asspull. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921561259] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Game of thrones Spoilers Like, could they be as efficient as they made them seem? Seems like an asspull.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 05/07/19 12:20:34 AM #2:	Not as efficient as catapults. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:921561324] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Not as efficient as catapults.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/07/19 12:21:12 AM #3:	I don't watch TV, but they can be pretty efficient... I'll see if there's a lindybeige video on them. ehhhhhh, best I could find is shadiversity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-vv0FCIkQ" data-time=" --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:921561343] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I don't watch TV, but they can be pretty efficient... I'll see if there's a lindybeige video on them. ehhhhhh, best I could find is shadiversity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-vv0FCIkQ" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/07/19 12:22:06 AM #4:	WastelandCowboy posted... Not as efficient as catapults. That can be said about a lot of things... --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921561368] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Not as efficient as catapults.</quote> That can be said about a lot of things...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 05/07/19 12:45:34 AM #5:	TrebuchetMeme.png --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:921562038] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>TrebuchetMeme.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 05/07/19 1:14:40 AM #6:	I'm no historian but I do have doubts historical ballistas/scorpions have that kinda range. In terms of effectiveness against a charging army, I'd imagine one bolt can take out several human beings. Perhaps it is more of a psychological thing and less of trying to thin out the enemy's numbers. In regards to Game of Thrones, I can't help but think it would still take Euron and his forces time to reload the ballistas and crank back on the arms. Daenerys may have had a chance to use that time to flank or come behind the ships assuming the ships aren't staggering their shots. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:921562791] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I'm no historian but I do have doubts historical ballistas/scorpions have that kinda range. In terms of effectiveness against a charging army, I'd imagine one bolt can take out several human beings. Perhaps it is more of a psychological thing and less of trying to thin out the enemy's numbers. In regards to Game of Thrones, I can't help but think it would still take Euron and his forces time to reload the ballistas and crank back on the arms. Daenerys may have had a chance to use that time to flank or come behind the ships assuming the ships aren't staggering their shots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfestedAdam 05/07/19 1:23:03 AM #8:	Zangulus posted... TV show with 10,000 year old man made of ice and dragons. Reality. Pick one. This is one of the cases where I balance between suspension of belief and accepting there's still some laws of physics/reality involved. Accepting there are dragons and walking dead because of said fictional world and whatever magic that exist? Sure. Accepting that said ballistas were capable of launching bolts that far, fast, and with such low reload time despite all the mechanics involved? That I would question. We can't question the dragons or undead since that is beyond something our world can explain. But we can question the effectiveness of the ballistas since we can apply real world physics to said device. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:921562971] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>TV show with 10,000 year old man made of ice and dragons. Reality. Pick one.</quote> This is one of the cases where I balance between suspension of belief and accepting there's still some laws of physics/reality involved. Accepting there are dragons and walking dead because of said fictional world and whatever magic that exist? Sure. Accepting that said ballistas were capable of launching bolts that far, fast, and with such low reload time despite all the mechanics involved? That I would question. We can't question the dragons or undead since that is beyond something our world can explain. But we can question the effectiveness of the ballistas since we can apply real world physics to said device.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cruddy_horse 05/07/19 1:39:54 AM #9:	Efficient against ground units? yes Against flying dragons? Probably not very good. I really doubt their efficiency as medieval AA. <cite>Cruddy_horse posted [p:921563366] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Efficient against ground units? yes Against flying dragons? Probably not very good. I really doubt their efficiency as medieval AA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 05/07/19 1:48:09 AM #10:	Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far. --- https://imgtc.com/i/gl6tuJ6.png <cite>Blighboy posted [p:921563555] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
synth_real 05/07/19 3:40:36 AM #11:	Blighboy posted... Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far. In all fairness, they were big and had 4 arms, so they probably had a pretty insane draw strength, but that would also require a lot of manpower to crank them back. --- "I'm the straightest guy on this board. I'm so straight that I watch gay porn." - Smarkil <cite>synth_real posted [p:921565692] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far.</quote> In all fairness, they were big and had 4 arms, so they probably had a pretty insane draw strength, but that would also require a lot of manpower to crank them back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/07/19 4:22:02 AM #12:	There were alot of things wrong with them. First you need alot of power to shoot them, but that means it's heavy and basically bolted down to the floor/ship etc. That is fin if your basically having it shoot in 1 set direction and only increasing the height of the ballista. If you have it able to move left and right as well, shooting it will totally thrash your aim (it'll jerk it while being shot...could even break it for that matter. Second, just like any long distance weapon, you generally need a few shots before you get a good feel for where it's gonna go, heck even bows at long range generally need that (unless you have practiced the shot at that range many times before). The likely hood that any of them would have hit a moving dragon so far away.....was basically non-existant. Third, actual ships fought in the real world, and those ballistas were WAY more effective then cannon shots lol, at a much...much further range. Why wouldn't anyone have ever used them if that was the case (heck didn't even need gunpowder!!). Also as mentioned by many, even if such a contraption could exist that would shoot with enough power to reach even close to the distances, and that release wouldn't have destroyed the weapon or thrashed any kind of aim, the only way to get that power would be to wind it up with alot of manpower, and it would take a long time between shots....a very long time. That is of course outside of the whole stealth fleet against a FREAKING DRAGON IN THE SKY, I can ...sort of understand how maybe Danny's own fleet might not see them (not really to be honest it's not like they are on a river or whatever), but how do you sneak up on a dragon? To be honest those weapons were more effective in some ways then modern weapons we currently have lol. They had at least the range of a mounted machine gun for instance, and seemed to do more damage against a large craft then one would do. They freaking destroyed the enemy ships into pieces. So yeah, unless magic was involved in making them (and such magic has not really been seen in the GoT universe yet), I don't think there is any way they could have done what they did in the show, other then the writers just decided it was gonna happen. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921566313] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>There were alot of things wrong with them. First you need alot of power to shoot them, but that means it's heavy and basically bolted down to the floor/ship etc. That is fin if your basically having it shoot in 1 set direction and only increasing the height of the ballista. If you have it able to move left and right as well, shooting it will totally thrash your aim (it'll jerk it while being shot...could even break it for that matter. Second, just like any long distance weapon, you generally need a few shots before you get a good feel for where it's gonna go, heck even bows at long range generally need that (unless you have practiced the shot at that range many times before). The likely hood that any of them would have hit a moving dragon so far away.....was basically non-existant. Third, actual ships fought in the real world, and those ballistas were WAY more effective then cannon shots lol, at a much...much further range. Why wouldn't anyone have ever used them if that was the case (heck didn't even need gunpowder!!). Also as mentioned by many, even if such a contraption could exist that would shoot with enough power to reach even close to the distances, and that release wouldn't have destroyed the weapon or thrashed any kind of aim, the only way to get that power would be to wind it up with alot of manpower, and it would take a long time between shots....a very long time. That is of course outside of the whole stealth fleet against a FREAKING DRAGON IN THE SKY, I can ...sort of understand how maybe Danny's own fleet might not see them (not really to be honest it's not like they are on a river or whatever), but how do you sneak up on a dragon? To be honest those weapons were more effective in some ways then modern weapons we currently have lol. They had at least the range of a mounted machine gun for instance, and seemed to do more damage against a large craft then one would do. They freaking destroyed the enemy ships into pieces. So yeah, unless magic was involved in making them (and such magic has not really been seen in the GoT universe yet), I don't think there is any way they could have done what they did in the show, other then the writers just decided it was gonna happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/07/19 9:17:47 AM #13:	Zangulus posted... TV show with 10,000 year old man made of ice and dragons. Reality. Pick one. Trying too hard. Even fantasy worlds must adhere to their own rules. But yeah, you do sound cool. Would you drop some other wise words before you go? --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921571044] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>TV show with 10,000 year old man made of ice and dragons. Reality. Pick one.</quote> Trying too hard. Even fantasy worlds must adhere to their own rules. But yeah, you do sound cool. Would you drop some other wise words before you go?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/07/19 9:19:06 AM #14:	wolfy42 posted... There were alot of things wrong with them. First you need alot of power to shoot them, but that means it's heavy and basically bolted down to the floor/ship etc. That is fin if your basically having it shoot in 1 set direction and only increasing the height of the ballista. If you have it able to move left and right as well, shooting it will totally thrash your aim (it'll jerk it while being shot...could even break it for that matter. Second, just like any long distance weapon, you generally need a few shots before you get a good feel for where it's gonna go, heck even bows at long range generally need that (unless you have practiced the shot at that range many times before). The likely hood that any of them would have hit a moving dragon so far away.....was basically non-existant. Third, actual ships fought in the real world, and those ballistas were WAY more effective then cannon shots lol, at a much...much further range. Why wouldn't anyone have ever used them if that was the case (heck didn't even need gunpowder!!). Also as mentioned by many, even if such a contraption could exist that would shoot with enough power to reach even close to the distances, and that release wouldn't have destroyed the weapon or thrashed any kind of aim, the only way to get that power would be to wind it up with alot of manpower, and it would take a long time between shots....a very long time. That is of course outside of the whole stealth fleet against a FREAKING DRAGON IN THE SKY, I can ...sort of understand how maybe Danny's own fleet might not see them (not really to be honest it's not like they are on a river or whatever), but how do you sneak up on a dragon? To be honest those weapons were more effective in some ways then modern weapons we currently have lol. They had at least the range of a mounted machine gun for instance, and seemed to do more damage against a large craft then one would do. They freaking destroyed the enemy ships into pieces. So yeah, unless magic was involved in making them (and such magic has not really been seen in the GoT universe yet), I don't think there is any way they could have done what they did in the show, other then the writers just decided it was gonna happen. I enjoyed reading this, thank you. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921571077] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>There were alot of things wrong with them. First you need alot of power to shoot them, but that means it's heavy and basically bolted down to the floor/ship etc. That is fin if your basically having it shoot in 1 set direction and only increasing the height of the ballista. If you have it able to move left and right as well, shooting it will totally thrash your aim (it'll jerk it while being shot...could even break it for that matter. Second, just like any long distance weapon, you generally need a few shots before you get a good feel for where it's gonna go, heck even bows at long range generally need that (unless you have practiced the shot at that range many times before). The likely hood that any of them would have hit a moving dragon so far away.....was basically non-existant. Third, actual ships fought in the real world, and those ballistas were WAY more effective then cannon shots lol, at a much...much further range. Why wouldn't anyone have ever used them if that was the case (heck didn't even need gunpowder!!). Also as mentioned by many, even if such a contraption could exist that would shoot with enough power to reach even close to the distances, and that release wouldn't have destroyed the weapon or thrashed any kind of aim, the only way to get that power would be to wind it up with alot of manpower, and it would take a long time between shots....a very long time. That is of course outside of the whole stealth fleet against a FREAKING DRAGON IN THE SKY, I can ...sort of understand how maybe Danny's own fleet might not see them (not really to be honest it's not like they are on a river or whatever), but how do you sneak up on a dragon? To be honest those weapons were more effective in some ways then modern weapons we currently have lol. They had at least the range of a mounted machine gun for instance, and seemed to do more damage against a large craft then one would do. They freaking destroyed the enemy ships into pieces. So yeah, unless magic was involved in making them (and such magic has not really been seen in the GoT universe yet), I don't think there is any way they could have done what they did in the show, other then the writers just decided it was gonna happen.</quote> I enjoyed reading this, thank you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/07/19 10:02:58 AM #15:	With enough tension, almost anything is possible. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921572343] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>With enough tension, almost anything is possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 05/07/19 10:19:37 AM #16:	Depends on your aim. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:921572891] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Depends on your aim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 05/07/19 10:20:30 AM #17:	With enough bad writing, anything is possible. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:921572917] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>With enough bad writing, anything is possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/07/19 10:53:32 AM #18:	Cruddy_horse posted... Efficient against ground units? yes Against flying dragons? Probably not very good. I really doubt their efficiency as medieval AA. And yet... --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921574014] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cruddy_horse posted...</cite> <quote>Efficient against ground units? yes Against flying dragons? Probably not very good. I really doubt their efficiency as medieval AA.</quote> And yet...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfestedAdam 05/07/19 1:30:35 PM #20:	GanonsSpirit posted... With enough bad writing, anything is possible. Perhaps if they add a spin to the bolt it can curve too and hit targets around a obstruction? That being said, there is a Korean movie called War of Arrows where the protagonist trained himself to curve arrows around trees by adding a spin to the arrow. I don't know how practical that is but it looked cool at least. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:921580159] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote>With enough bad writing, anything is possible.</quote> Perhaps if they add a spin to the bolt it can curve too and hit targets around a obstruction? That being said, there is a Korean movie called War of Arrows where the protagonist trained himself to curve arrows around trees by adding a spin to the arrow. I don't know how practical that is but it looked cool at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/07/19 2:04:54 PM #21:	InfestedAdam posted... That being said, there is a Korean movie called War of Arrows where the protagonist trained himself to curve arrows around trees but adding a spin to the arrow. I don't know how practical that is but it looked cool at least. You can fire an arrow with an inbalanced flight to fire them at a curve... and I suppose you can train with such arrows to hit your mark even with such curve, but by default such an arrow would not be able to travel as far as you are losing a lot of forward momentum to create lateral? momentum. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:921581581] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfestedAdam posted...</cite> <quote>That being said, there is a Korean movie called War of Arrows where the protagonist trained himself to curve arrows around trees but adding a spin to the arrow. I don't know how practical that is but it looked cool at least.</quote> You can fire an arrow with an inbalanced flight to fire them at a curve... and I suppose you can train with such arrows to hit your mark even with such curve, but by default such an arrow would not be able to travel as far as you are losing a lot of forward momentum to create lateral? momentum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 05/07/19 2:57:23 PM #22:	For people who are saying because it's fiction, nothing that happens matters, that's not how writing works. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:921583684] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>For people who are saying because it's fiction, nothing that happens matters, that's not how writing works. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/07/19 3:05:11 PM #23:	TigerTycoon posted... For people who are saying because it's fiction, nothing that happens matters, that's not how writing works. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Please delete this, otherwise Zangulus can't be as deep as he is with his wise words of wisdom. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921584030] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>For people who are saying because it's fiction, nothing that happens matters, that's not how writing works. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief</quote> Please delete this, otherwise Zangulus can't be as deep as he is with his wise words of wisdom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 05/07/19 11:45:13 PM #26:	Mr Hangman posted... Bows, crossbows, ballista, mangonels, catapaults, trebuchets... all of them seem to max out at ~300 meters for best-case accurate shooting. Up to ~400m in ideal conditions but you're not hitting a target at that range. I defended ep3, but this one was just BS. The show ballista were well beyond any believable capability. People who want to wave it away as "it's fantasy" are missing the point. Dragons are fantasy and they're impressive and terrifying because real world medieval technology would struggle to resist them. I could believe the ballista working well enough that it would be too risky for the dragon to dive down and roast the fleet, but sniping it out of the sky is BS. As I said, they could have done it believably, just have the ballista's all mounted on the ships aiming upwards and wait for the dragon to get fairly close and all fire, it would work ONCE, and if both dragons were near, might even hit them both. You certainly wouldn't be swivling them like some kinda of Star Wars laser gun, but if they were all pointing in the right direction and you had enough ships? Sure, there would be some sort of chance of at least wounding a dragon. What they did......could only be explained with magic that so far at least has not existed in that world, other then....possibly, by the night king throwing his spear (which was already kinda wacked, but at least...MAGIC.....was an option for him (I mean it was a magic spear). ONE ballista that acted like that...would not make any sense, a freaking fleet of them, that are easy to move around (or just makes tons of so you have extra for the castle as well), is just rediculous. There were other ways to take out a dragon, even using the special dragon crossbows...that wouldn't have just been plain dumb. Use them, also don't have them just instantly destroy all of Danny's fleet as well. Dragons...full grown dragons were not seen for ages, only having the smaller ones, and they basically allowed the targarians etc to rule, so if these crossbows were already know back then (where they got the blueprints for them), why were dragons any threat at all? A few of this at every castle and any dragon flying nearby is toast. Dragons would actually be less useful then a catapult at that point. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921606604] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>Bows, crossbows, ballista, mangonels, catapaults, trebuchets... all of them seem to max out at ~300 meters for best-case accurate shooting. Up to ~400m in ideal conditions but you're not hitting a target at that range. I defended ep3, but this one was just BS. The show ballista were well beyond any believable capability. People who want to wave it away as "it's fantasy" are missing the point. Dragons are fantasy and they're impressive and terrifying because real world medieval technology would struggle to resist them. I could believe the ballista working well enough that it would be too risky for the dragon to dive down and roast the fleet, but sniping it out of the sky is BS.</quote> As I said, they could have done it believably, just have the ballista's all mounted on the ships aiming upwards and wait for the dragon to get fairly close and all fire, it would work ONCE, and if both dragons were near, might even hit them both. You certainly wouldn't be swivling them like some kinda of Star Wars laser gun, but if they were all pointing in the right direction and you had enough ships? Sure, there would be some sort of chance of at least wounding a dragon. What they did......could only be explained with magic that so far at least has not existed in that world, other then....possibly, by the night king throwing his spear (which was already kinda wacked, but at least...MAGIC.....was an option for him (I mean it was a magic spear). ONE ballista that acted like that...would not make any sense, a freaking fleet of them, that are easy to move around (or just makes tons of so you have extra for the castle as well), is just rediculous. There were other ways to take out a dragon, even using the special dragon crossbows...that wouldn't have just been plain dumb. Use them, also don't have them just instantly destroy all of Danny's fleet as well. Dragons...full grown dragons were not seen for ages, only having the smaller ones, and they basically allowed the targarians etc to rule, so if these crossbows were already know back then (where they got the blueprints for them), why were dragons any threat at all? A few of this at every castle and any dragon flying nearby is toast. Dragons would actually be less useful then a catapult at that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/07/19 11:46:21 PM #27:	Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921606651] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/08/19 12:13:54 AM #28:	Mead posted... Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr. No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner. --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921607696] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr.</quote> No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/08/19 12:16:44 AM #29:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... Mead posted... Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr. No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner. They were to the left of the screen No one could have seen that --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921607823] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr.</quote> No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner.</quote> They were to the left of the screen No one could have seen that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/08/19 12:50:03 AM #30:	Mead posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... Mead posted... Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr. No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner. They were to the left of the screen No one could have seen that Hehehe!!! Yep, they were totally off screen, I shoulda thought of that. Also, I think they used white walker arms to throw the ballista spears!! That is why they flew so far, fast and true!! They harvested them by going back in time, before the last battle, and bringing the white walker arms forward in time, so they can use them to fire their ballistas. Then they just need to go back in time and re-attack them before the battle and everything will be fine. I wish they had spelled that out a bit more though. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921608878] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Girl survives being burned alive? Cool Literal skeletons being resurrected and fighting? Sure Witch has a shadow assassin crawl out of her bajingo? Obviously A dragon gets killed by a massive ballista volley after its made clear to the viewer a smaller less efficient version easily pierces dragon bone and weve already seen another dragon get killed in a similar manner by a hand thrown javelin? Oh my god no. Terrible writing. Hurr to the maximum durr.</quote> No one is criticizing that. Well, not most people. They're criticizing that she was hundreds of feet in the air and didn't see the big fleet of ships, which also managed to score a killshot on a moving aerial target from around a corner.</quote> They were to the left of the screen No one could have seen that</quote> Hehehe!!! Yep, they were totally off screen, I shoulda thought of that. Also, I think they used white walker arms to throw the ballista spears!! That is why they flew so far, fast and true!! They harvested them by going back in time, before the last battle, and bringing the white walker arms forward in time, so they can use them to fire their ballistas. Then they just need to go back in time and re-attack them before the battle and everything will be fine. I wish they had spelled that out a bit more though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/08/19 1:15:06 AM #31:	I have not seen the show. Keep that in mind. Historically ballista's were a piece of siege equipment that needed proper training and support in order to function. The mere act of winding one up to fire could easily exhaust an untrained man and it can take a lot of time to fire even a single round. That said it was superior, especially in anti-army capabilities, to the catapult which often had an even longer reload time, was less accurate, and packed less power except against buildings. So you would typically deploy ballista and scorpions behind your front lines and have them target enemy fortified formations to break them with ease. However with the rise of the medieval age it became very hard to create and upkeep a ballista especially with improvements all-around to bows, armor, shields, and other forms of siege. Onagers were easier to create and took much less training and, eventually, trebuchets and mangonels simply outclassed the ballista in everything that it could possibly do. That isn't to say you never saw them; but they basically only got deployed in places like road checkpoints where they could be fairly assured to only be used for anti-person purposes. The crossbow was basically the true final nail in the coffin though as it was basically a mini-ballista that anyone could use, didn't exhaust anywhere near as much, could get through armor and even shields potentially, and was far more portable and capable in general. Come the Renaissance there was simply no reason to consider ever using a ballista since any niche they could possibly fulfill had been replaced by better/cheaper/simpler siege, crossbows, or basically anything else. They were a novelty at best and the rise of the musket and cannon ensured it could never possibly rise up again. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921609609] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I have not seen the show. Keep that in mind. Historically ballista's were a piece of siege equipment that needed proper training and support in order to function. The mere act of winding one up to fire could easily exhaust an untrained man and it can take a lot of time to fire even a single round. That said it was superior, especially in anti-army capabilities, to the catapult which often had an even longer reload time, was less accurate, and packed less power except against buildings. So you would typically deploy ballista and scorpions behind your front lines and have them target enemy fortified formations to break them with ease. However with the rise of the medieval age it became very hard to create and upkeep a ballista especially with improvements all-around to bows, armor, shields, and other forms of siege. Onagers were easier to create and took much less training and, eventually, trebuchets and mangonels simply outclassed the ballista in everything that it could possibly do. That isn't to say you never saw them; but they basically only got deployed in places like road checkpoints where they could be fairly assured to only be used for anti-person purposes. The crossbow was basically the true final nail in the coffin though as it was basically a mini-ballista that anyone could use, didn't exhaust anywhere near as much, could get through armor and even shields potentially, and was far more portable and capable in general. Come the Renaissance there was simply no reason to consider ever using a ballista since any niche they could possibly fulfill had been replaced by better/cheaper/simpler siege, crossbows, or basically anything else. They were a novelty at best and the rise of the musket and cannon ensured it could never possibly rise up again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 05/08/19 1:23:36 AM #32:	Unbridled9 posted... I have not seen the show. Keep that in mind. Historically ballista's were a piece of siege equipment that needed proper training and support in order to function. The mere act of winding one up to fire could easily exhaust an untrained man and it can take a lot of time to fire even a single round. That said it was superior, especially in anti-army capabilities, to the catapult which often had an even longer reload time, was less accurate, and packed less power except against buildings. So you would typically deploy ballista and scorpions behind your front lines and have them target enemy fortified formations to break them with ease. However with the rise of the medieval age it became very hard to create and upkeep a ballista especially with improvements all-around to bows, armor, shields, and other forms of siege. Onagers were easier to create and took much less training and, eventually, trebuchets and mangonels simply outclassed the ballista in everything that it could possibly do. That isn't to say you never saw them; but they basically only got deployed in places like road checkpoints where they could be fairly assured to only be used for anti-person purposes. The crossbow was basically the true final nail in the coffin though as it was basically a mini-ballista that anyone could use, didn't exhaust anywhere near as much, could get through armor and even shields potentially, and was far more portable and capable in general. Come the Renaissance there was simply no reason to consider ever using a ballista since any niche they could possibly fulfill had been replaced by better/cheaper/simpler siege, crossbows, or basically anything else. They were a novelty at best and the rise of the musket and cannon ensured it could never possibly rise up again. For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing... --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:921609829] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>I have not seen the show. Keep that in mind. Historically ballista's were a piece of siege equipment that needed proper training and support in order to function. The mere act of winding one up to fire could easily exhaust an untrained man and it can take a lot of time to fire even a single round. That said it was superior, especially in anti-army capabilities, to the catapult which often had an even longer reload time, was less accurate, and packed less power except against buildings. So you would typically deploy ballista and scorpions behind your front lines and have them target enemy fortified formations to break them with ease. However with the rise of the medieval age it became very hard to create and upkeep a ballista especially with improvements all-around to bows, armor, shields, and other forms of siege. Onagers were easier to create and took much less training and, eventually, trebuchets and mangonels simply outclassed the ballista in everything that it could possibly do. That isn't to say you never saw them; but they basically only got deployed in places like road checkpoints where they could be fairly assured to only be used for anti-person purposes. The crossbow was basically the true final nail in the coffin though as it was basically a mini-ballista that anyone could use, didn't exhaust anywhere near as much, could get through armor and even shields potentially, and was far more portable and capable in general. Come the Renaissance there was simply no reason to consider ever using a ballista since any niche they could possibly fulfill had been replaced by better/cheaper/simpler siege, crossbows, or basically anything else. They were a novelty at best and the rise of the musket and cannon ensured it could never possibly rise up again.</quote> For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 05/08/19 1:31:17 AM #33:	WhiskeyDisk posted... For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing... I think his shield gets a pass only because of "magic" or rather because of the fictional metal, vibranium that it is made of. It is like what some folks mentioned earlier or what that trope link suggested. We can accept the impossible when given the explanation of there being magic involved and/or special material being used. But when we're expected to accept something ordinary somehow defies the laws of physic or something very unlikely to occur even within said fictional world, then it becomes something that is questionable. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:921609996] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing... </quote> I think his shield gets a pass only because of "magic" or rather because of the fictional metal, vibranium that it is made of. It is like what some folks mentioned earlier or what that trope link suggested. We can accept the impossible when given the explanation of there being magic involved and/or special material being used. But when we're expected to accept something ordinary somehow defies the laws of physic or something very unlikely to occur even within said fictional world, then it becomes something that is questionable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/08/19 1:32:20 AM #34:	For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing... CA's shield is special but in general yes. But the shield was falling out of favor before then since it was heavy and armor was improving in quality to the point where you simply didn't need it most of the time. Firearms just made it so that the only reason you might ever consider a shield was no longer viable. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921610016] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing... CA's shield is special but in general yes. But the shield was falling out of favor before then since it was heavy and armor was improving in quality to the point where you simply didn't need it most of the time. Firearms just made it so that the only reason you might ever consider a shield was no longer viable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 05/08/19 2:22:27 AM #35:	I accept rules in fiction. I can accept that a sea creature can talk, sure. I'm ok with it wearing pants, that makes sense considering it can talk. But Patrick's rock house changes every other episode. Sometimes it's just sand, sometimes it's a single room, sometimes it's a full sized house. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNqaAh6iLU <cite>Yellow posted [p:921611137] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I accept rules in fiction. I can accept that a sea creature can talk, sure. I'm ok with it wearing pants, that makes sense considering it can talk. But Patrick's rock house changes every other episode. Sometimes it's just sand, sometimes it's a single room, sometimes it's a full sized house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 05/08/19 2:32:44 AM #36:	I think thematically a lot of the appeal of Game of Thrones is seeing a relatively grounded and realistic medieval society deal with external supernatural threats, and the politics associated with that. Almost like a kind of reverse Isekai for non weeabs. When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat, it takes away from the appeal of the show. In a similar way the ending to episode 3 did. Because it implies the supernatural elements were never really a threat the whole time, and were just there for sex appeal to trick nerds into watching. --- https://imgtc.com/i/gl6tuJ6.png <cite>Blighboy posted [p:921611370] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I think thematically a lot of the appeal of Game of Thrones is seeing a relatively grounded and realistic medieval society deal with external supernatural threats, and the politics associated with that. Almost like a kind of reverse Isekai for non weeabs. When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat, it takes away from the appeal of the show. In a similar way the ending to episode 3 did. Because it implies the supernatural elements were never really a threat the whole time, and were just there for sex appeal to trick nerds into watching.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/08/19 2:42:54 AM #37:	I wonder why most people dont like fandoms --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921611547] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I wonder why most people dont like fandoms </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/08/19 2:46:40 AM #38:	Blighboy posted... I think thematically a lot of the appeal of Game of Thrones is seeing a relatively grounded and realistic medieval society deal with external supernatural threats, and the politics associated with that. Almost like a kind of reverse Isekai for non weeabs. When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat, it takes away from the appeal of the show. In a similar way the ending to episode 3 did. Because it implies the supernatural elements were never really a threat the whole time, and were just there for sex appeal to trick nerds into watching. Thank you. It's like they basically just decided to use fly swatters on the dragons and they didn't matter at all. As I said above, why were dragons feared at all, if these ballista were already around in the past when dragons were actually part of the power base? Maybe due to the people who ruled having dragons, so no need to have anti-dragon weapons I guess (but there were other lands etc that didn't so shrug). But yeah, those ballista not only invalidated dragons, but also all other navel fleets (in fact the entire iron islands navy could have easily been defeated by a few ships with those ballista for that matter, nullifying that power base as well. Also why not just take over the whole world with them since nothing on the water could stand up to them, and you could just obliterate any coastal cities as well (most of the big ones had ports), then move your troops safely on land and take em all over). Then, you just move em around and ....oh a hoard of Darthraki? No big deal, we'll just roll up 20 super mega awesome ballista and blam, wipe em all out. Seriously it's like they just brought nukes into GoT with as powerful as they made them. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921611625] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>I think thematically a lot of the appeal of Game of Thrones is seeing a relatively grounded and realistic medieval society deal with external supernatural threats, and the politics associated with that. Almost like a kind of reverse Isekai for non weeabs. When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat, it takes away from the appeal of the show. In a similar way the ending to episode 3 did. Because it implies the supernatural elements were never really a threat the whole time, and were just there for sex appeal to trick nerds into watching.</quote> Thank you. It's like they basically just decided to use fly swatters on the dragons and they didn't matter at all. As I said above, why were dragons feared at all, if these ballista were already around in the past when dragons were actually part of the power base? Maybe due to the people who ruled having dragons, so no need to have anti-dragon weapons I guess (but there were other lands etc that didn't so shrug). But yeah, those ballista not only invalidated dragons, but also all other navel fleets (in fact the entire iron islands navy could have easily been defeated by a few ships with those ballista for that matter, nullifying that power base as well. Also why not just take over the whole world with them since nothing on the water could stand up to them, and you could just obliterate any coastal cities as well (most of the big ones had ports), then move your troops safely on land and take em all over). Then, you just move em around and ....oh a hoard of Darthraki? No big deal, we'll just roll up 20 super mega awesome ballista and blam, wipe em all out. Seriously it's like they just brought nukes into GoT with as powerful as they made them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
synth_real 05/08/19 3:05:23 AM #39:	Blighboy posted... When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle --- "I'm the straightest guy on this board. I'm so straight that I watch gay porn." - Smarkil <cite>synth_real posted [p:921611995] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat</quote> Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/08/19 8:46:28 AM #40:	synth_real posted... Blighboy posted... When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle There would probably be ways to handle that if they were clever or they could work with how horrifically evil it is to turn it into a phyrric victory or something. I dunno. I don't watch the show. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921617502] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>synth_real posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat</quote> Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle</quote> There would probably be ways to handle that if they were clever or they could work with how horrifically evil it is to turn it into a phyrric victory or something. I dunno. I don't watch the show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
synth_real 05/08/19 4:50:54 PM #41:	Unbridled9 posted... synth_real posted... Blighboy posted... When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle There would probably be ways to handle that if they were clever or they could work with how horrifically evil it is to turn it into a phyrric victory or something. I dunno. I don't watch the show. They've already been working that angle before it's even happened, there's even been a few scenes to show us the horror of death by dragonfire --- "I'm the straightest guy on this board. I'm so straight that I watch gay porn." - Smarkil <cite>synth_real posted [p:921636088] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>synth_real posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat</quote> Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle</quote> There would probably be ways to handle that if they were clever or they could work with how horrifically evil it is to turn it into a phyrric victory or something. I dunno. I don't watch the show.</quote> They've already been working that angle before it's even happened, there's even been a few scenes to show us the horror of death by dragonfire</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/08/19 8:06:47 PM #42:	synth_real posted... Blighboy posted... When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle The could have totally used them at kings landing, mounted on the walls, and only if a dragon got near the walls. Even have them hit (probably not kill) one of the dragons and seriously injure it....to show they are effective. Having them on the boats, with infinite range and insane tracking/aim, was going way too far. Magic would have a hard time accounting for how effective they were (I mean its' like each of them was = to the night king with his magic lances/spears). Maybe the night king was possessing them to get revenge from the grave!! --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921643662] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>synth_real posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat</quote> Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles. But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle</quote> The could have totally used them at kings landing, mounted on the walls, and only if a dragon got near the walls. Even have them hit (probably not kill) one of the dragons and seriously injure it....to show they are effective. Having them on the boats, with infinite range and insane tracking/aim, was going way too far. Magic would have a hard time accounting for how effective they were (I mean its' like each of them was = to the night king with his magic lances/spears). Maybe the night king was possessing them to get revenge from the grave!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grendel 05/09/19 1:21:34 AM #43:	Viking_Mudcrap posted... Like, could they be as efficient as they made them seem? Seems like an asspull. Short answer not even close. https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/ <cite>Grendel posted [p:921655368] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote>Like, could they be as efficient as they made them seem? Seems like an asspull.</quote> Short answer not even close. https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 05/09/19 1:27:13 AM #44:	Grendel posted... https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/ But that's just a theory. A GAME THEOR--gets shot by a ballista --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:921655506] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Grendel posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/</quote> But that's just a theory. A GAME THEOR--gets shot by a ballista</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 05/09/19 1:36:54 AM #45:	Grendel posted... Short answer not even close. https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/ That was an enjoyable read. Thanks for sharing. Loved the "unladen European swallow" part. Personally between this and Gendry running back to Castle Black for help and Daenerys arriving so quickly, not sure which bothers me more. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:921655772] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Grendel posted...</cite> <quote>Short answer not even close. https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/</quote> That was an enjoyable read. Thanks for sharing. Loved the "unladen European swallow" part. Personally between this and Gendry running back to Castle Black for help and Daenerys arriving so quickly, not sure which bothers me more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/09/19 1:48:41 AM #46:	they would not be so easy and quick to aim --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:921656002] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>they would not be so easy and quick to aim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sardanapallus 05/09/19 3:25:39 AM #47:	That wasn't a ballista. Based on the distance and speed it traveled as well as the damage it did to other ships, it was clearly a railgun made to look like a ballista firing a tungsten round at hypersonic speeds. <cite>Sardanapallus posted [p:921657785] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>That wasn't a ballista. Based on the distance and speed it traveled as well as the damage it did to other ships, it was clearly a railgun made to look like a ballista firing a tungsten round at hypersonic speeds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/09/19 3:27:47 AM #48:	Has no one considered that he may have been using +3 bolts? --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921657822] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Has no one considered that he may have been using +3 bolts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 05/09/19 3:31:26 AM #49:	Blighboy posted... Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far. Pretty much this. This seasons like HBO trolling us. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:921657892] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Definitely not as strong as were shown. Certainly not strong enough to tear apart ships at a range like that, if they can even shoot that far.</quote> Pretty much this. This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sardanapallus 05/09/19 4:02:04 AM #50:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... This seasons like HBO trolling us. Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on. <cite>Sardanapallus posted [p:921658369] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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