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FrndNhbrHdCEman 05/09/19 4:03:18 AM #51:	Sardanapallus posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... This seasons like HBO trolling us. Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on. P much would rather watch the actors play D&D at this point. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:921658389] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on.</quote> P much would rather watch the actors play D&D at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/09/19 4:28:41 AM #52:	Sardanapallus posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... This seasons like HBO trolling us. Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on. If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921658743] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on.</quote> If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/09/19 9:53:56 AM #53:	Mead posted... For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. Sounds like a scapegoat for their own shit. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921664390] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> Sounds like a scapegoat for their own shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/09/19 10:06:36 AM #54:	Mead posted... Sardanapallus posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... This seasons like HBO trolling us. Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on. If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. I'm calling bullshit. This is the most most popular, most award-winning series HBO has ever produced. No way they restricted anything. --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921664740] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on.</quote> If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> I'm calling bullshit. This is the most most popular, most award-winning series HBO has ever produced. No way they restricted anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnny Eagle 05/09/19 10:51:47 AM #55:	Anyone else read the topic title as "baristas" at first? >_> --- "Life's a game. It's meant to be played." "Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic." <cite>Johnny Eagle posted [p:921666136] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Anyone else read the topic title as "baristas" at first? >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 05/09/19 11:16:16 AM #56:	Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:921667034] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/09/19 3:37:25 PM #57:	GanonsSpirit posted... Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell. --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921677814] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/09/19 3:38:46 PM #58:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... GanonsSpirit posted... Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell. Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne? --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921677857] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell.</quote> Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/09/19 3:40:22 PM #59:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... Mead posted... Sardanapallus posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... This seasons like HBO trolling us. Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on. If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. I'm calling bullshit. This is the most most popular, most award-winning series HBO has ever produced. No way they restricted anything. Budget is always a consideration. One of the reasons youve seen less and less of Ghost is that everything with the Direwolves is very expensive. Heck HBO cancelled Deadwood abruptly when it was their number one show simply because of the production costs. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921677928] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote>This seasons like HBO trolling us.</quote> Nah, HBO probably wants quality television. This is D&D being lazy and desperate to finish the show so they can move on.</quote> If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> I'm calling bullshit. This is the most most popular, most award-winning series HBO has ever produced. No way they restricted anything.</quote> Budget is always a consideration. One of the reasons youve seen less and less of Ghost is that everything with the Direwolves is very expensive. Heck HBO cancelled Deadwood abruptly when it was their number one show simply because of the production costs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sardanapallus 05/09/19 9:35:33 PM #60:	Mead posted... both in budget and episode count But literally everything I've read says HBO was begging them to have more episodes and more seasons, but they made the call to end it at 8 and they made the call to make the last two seasons shorter. <cite>Sardanapallus posted [p:921693498] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>both in budget and episode count</quote> But literally everything I've read says HBO was begging them to have more episodes and more seasons, but they made the call to end it at 8 and they made the call to make the last two seasons shorter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/09/19 10:25:43 PM #61:	Sardanapallus posted... Mead posted... both in budget and episode count But literally everything I've read says HBO was begging them to have more episodes and more seasons, but they made the call to end it at 8 and they made the call to make the last two seasons shorter. Got a source on literally everything youve read? --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921695551] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>both in budget and episode count</quote> But literally everything I've read says HBO was begging them to have more episodes and more seasons, but they made the call to end it at 8 and they made the call to make the last two seasons shorter.</quote> Got a source on literally everything youve read?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/10/19 12:00:47 AM #62:	This just in: Dragons slain by covfefe --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:921698793] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>This just in: Dragons slain by covfefe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sardanapallus 05/10/19 12:10:04 AM #63:	Mead posted... Got a source on literally everything youve read? https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused. <cite>Sardanapallus posted [p:921699066] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Got a source on literally everything youve read?</quote> https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/10/19 1:28:20 AM #64:	A ballista should not be able to kill a dragon. If it did than GoT has some weak-ass dragons. They're powerful, sure, but nowhere near the levels of power, speed, or danger needed to seriously threaten a traditional dragon. Especially if we're talking a scorpion as opposed to a full-blown ballista. Edit: I finally watched the scene and... Bull**. Ballista are nowhere near that strong. If they were navies would have never even bothered switching to cannons or other things if a single salvo from a ballistia could easily deal FAR more damage without the need for explosives or other things. IRL you'd probably use them to break an armored formation and bypass a wall and that's about it. Not to mention that loading, aiming, and firing one is nowhere near fast enough to be anti-dragon. They just aren't agile enough for that. You'd have to wait till the Napoleonic Era cannons to find siege agile enough for taking out a flying dragon reliably. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921701252] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>A ballista should not be able to kill a dragon. If it did than GoT has some weak-ass dragons. They're powerful, sure, but nowhere near the levels of power, speed, or danger needed to seriously threaten a traditional dragon. Especially if we're talking a scorpion as opposed to a full-blown ballista. Edit: I finally watched the scene and... Bull***. Ballista are nowhere near that strong. If they were navies would have never even bothered switching to cannons or other things if a single salvo from a ballistia could easily deal FAR more damage without the need for explosives or other things. IRL you'd probably use them to break an armored formation and bypass a wall and that's about it. Not to mention that loading, aiming, and firing one is nowhere near fast enough to be anti-dragon. They just aren't agile enough for that. You'd have to wait till the Napoleonic Era cannons to find siege agile enough for taking out a flying dragon reliably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/10/19 1:36:39 AM #65:	Sardanapallus posted... Mead posted... Got a source on literally everything youve read? https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused. Those fuckers --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:921701444] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Got a source on literally everything youve read?</quote> https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused.</quote> Those fuckers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/10/19 1:38:16 AM #66:	Unbridled9 posted... A ballista should not be able to kill a dragon. If it did than GoT has some weak-ass dragons. They're powerful, sure, but nowhere near the levels of power, speed, or danger needed to seriously threaten a traditional dragon. Especially if we're talking a scorpion as opposed to a full-blown ballista. idk the size of the ballistas or dragons involved, but a ballista would be able to kill typical DnD small / nimble dragons with a direct hit (3d12+9 with chance of doubling). Anything larger like a Red Dragon... that's a nope. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:921701480] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>A ballista should not be able to kill a dragon. If it did than GoT has some weak-ass dragons. They're powerful, sure, but nowhere near the levels of power, speed, or danger needed to seriously threaten a traditional dragon. Especially if we're talking a scorpion as opposed to a full-blown ballista.</quote> idk the size of the ballistas or dragons involved, but a ballista would be able to kill typical DnD small / nimble dragons with a direct hit (3d12+9 with chance of doubling). Anything larger like a Red Dragon... that's a nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/10/19 1:43:07 AM #67:	An actual ballista in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQPSxV3gZx0" data-time=" It has nowhere near the advertised range, power, or accuracy (note how they miss the unmoving hay bundle) and can take a long time to reload, aim, and fire. I recall watching the guys on The Quest trying to do that challenge with their smaller cousins and how long it took them to reload after each shot. Even when they had those guys in Deadliest Warrior using them they weren't anywhere near effective enough to be used like what they did in that scene. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921701596] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>An actual ballista in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQPSxV3gZx0" data-time=" It has nowhere near the advertised range, power, or accuracy (note how they miss the unmoving hay bundle) and can take a long time to reload, aim, and fire. I recall watching the guys on The Quest trying to do that challenge with their smaller cousins and how long it took them to reload after each shot. Even when they had those guys in Deadliest Warrior using them they weren't anywhere near effective enough to be used like what they did in that scene.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/10/19 1:44:58 AM #68:	Unbridled9 posted... Deadliest Warrior That show was the TV equivalent of click bait, we NEED that simulation data dangit! --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:921701628] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Deadliest Warrior </quote> That show was the TV equivalent of click bait, we NEED that simulation data dangit!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/10/19 1:49:16 AM #69:	Pretty much exactly what I said about cannons earlier. It was ridiculous but whatever. People have been arguing that the fleet of ships COULD sneak up on the dragon because it was between two "walls" of the island. I still think it's silly as the dragon was very high up, and could see down between them easily (from the pictures we saw), and also how did it sneak up while being so spread out etc. Whatever...it's just silly and dumb. They could have just had the dragon get shot at KL from the wall or something. The whole fleet thing was just bad writing. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921701688] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Pretty much exactly what I said about cannons earlier. It was ridiculous but whatever. People have been arguing that the fleet of ships COULD sneak up on the dragon because it was between two "walls" of the island. I still think it's silly as the dragon was very high up, and could see down between them easily (from the pictures we saw), and also how did it sneak up while being so spread out etc. Whatever...it's just silly and dumb. They could have just had the dragon get shot at KL from the wall or something. The whole fleet thing was just bad writing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 05/10/19 1:52:00 AM #70:	Sardanapallus posted... Mead posted... Got a source on literally everything youve read? https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused. What assholes. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:921701746] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Got a source on literally everything youve read?</quote> https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused.</quote> What assholes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/10/19 1:52:48 AM #71:	Lokarin posted... Unbridled9 posted... Deadliest Warrior That show was the TV equivalent of click bait, we NEED that simulation data dangit! Love it or hate it it's one of the few places where a normal person can see someone who actually knows how to operate a scorpion/ballista actually operating a scorpion/ballista with at least some analysis. At least without actively searching it out on Youtube instead of trusting an HBO show that clearly just wanted to wrap things up. If GoT wants to do that, fine. It's not like I somehow can't enjoy a show, a freaking fantasy show no less, unless it's 100% grounded in reality and whatnot. Just... Doesn't change how badly it stinks of 'we ran out of ideas and Deus Ex'ed it'. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921701761] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Deadliest Warrior </quote> That show was the TV equivalent of click bait, we NEED that simulation data dangit!</quote> Love it or hate it it's one of the few places where a normal person can see someone who actually knows how to operate a scorpion/ballista actually operating a scorpion/ballista with at least some analysis. At least without actively searching it out on Youtube instead of trusting an HBO show that clearly just wanted to wrap things up. If GoT wants to do that, fine. It's not like I somehow can't enjoy a show, a freaking fantasy show no less, unless it's 100% grounded in reality and whatnot. Just... Doesn't change how badly it stinks of 'we ran out of ideas and Deus Ex'ed it'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sardanapallus 05/10/19 1:57:54 AM #72:	wolfy42 posted... Pretty much exactly what I said about cannons earlier. You know it would have been pretty cool if the superweapon was an early gunpowder weapon. It'd be as hideously inaccurate at range as the ballista could be, but they could volley fire maybe wit h something like a Ribauldequin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin) and it could more believably hurt a dragon. <cite>Sardanapallus posted [p:921701854] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much exactly what I said about cannons earlier.</quote> You know it would have been pretty cool if the superweapon was an early gunpowder weapon. It'd be as hideously inaccurate at range as the ballista could be, but they could volley fire maybe wit h something like a Ribauldequin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin) and it could more believably hurt a dragon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/10/19 2:08:40 AM #73:	I'm actually down for the scorpions/ballista to hurt a dragon, from within a certain range, with stationary ballista that have been pre-fired to show were the spear would go (so you wait for the dragon to be in that spot or right before it to fire). That would make sense, and yeah, the actual range of a ballista probably wouldn't work too well, really shouldn't be much further then a longbow could shoot, but I mean, it would be semi believable. So in this case, the mounted ones on the castle, hidden behind facades/flags whatever, until the dragon comes close to breathe fire on em, and then remove them and fire!! Boom. Just one volley (takes to long to reload), but have like 8 of em on the wall, all set for different angles/heights etc.....that would work, and make sense....and still suck (poor dragon!!), but.....I would be like, good strategy!!! You deserved to kill that dragon. Instead, I feel like the writers just suck and decided they wanted the dragon dead, but didn't bother making it make sense at all. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921702078] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>I'm actually down for the scorpions/ballista to hurt a dragon, from within a certain range, with stationary ballista that have been pre-fired to show were the spear would go (so you wait for the dragon to be in that spot or right before it to fire). That would make sense, and yeah, the actual range of a ballista probably wouldn't work too well, really shouldn't be much further then a longbow could shoot, but I mean, it would be semi believable. So in this case, the mounted ones on the castle, hidden behind facades/flags whatever, until the dragon comes close to breathe fire on em, and then remove them and fire!! Boom. Just one volley (takes to long to reload), but have like 8 of em on the wall, all set for different angles/heights etc.....that would work, and make sense....and still suck (poor dragon!!), but.....I would be like, good strategy!!! You deserved to kill that dragon. Instead, I feel like the writers just suck and decided they wanted the dragon dead, but didn't bother making it make sense at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 05/10/19 4:26:37 AM #74:	wolfy42 posted... I'm actually down for the scorpions/ballista to hurt a dragon, from within a certain range, with stationary ballista that have been pre-fired to show were the spear would go (so you wait for the dragon to be in that spot or right before it to fire). That would make sense, and yeah, the actual range of a ballista probably wouldn't work too well, really shouldn't be much further then a longbow could shoot, but I mean, it would be semi believable. So in this case, the mounted ones on the castle, hidden behind facades/flags whatever, until the dragon comes close to breathe fire on em, and then remove them and fire!! Boom. Just one volley (takes to long to reload), but have like 8 of em on the wall, all set for different angles/heights etc.....that would work, and make sense....and still suck (poor dragon!!), but.....I would be like, good strategy!!! You deserved to kill that dragon. Instead, I feel like the writers just suck and decided they wanted the dragon dead, but didn't bother making it make sense at all. Heck. Why not even give them a bit of build-up? Like a quick scene earlier on showing them test-firing one, going 'yea it can take down a dragon... if we managed to get this thing that's next to impossible to turn and aim to point in an extremely precise spot to hit a fast-moving target. Why the heck do you think we haven't been using them? Big. Heavy. Cumbersome. Impractical. Only one redeeming feature.' before going 'I have an idea' then doing that thing you suggested. Would only take, like, 30 seconds to a minute and would make a lot more sense. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:921704397] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm actually down for the scorpions/ballista to hurt a dragon, from within a certain range, with stationary ballista that have been pre-fired to show were the spear would go (so you wait for the dragon to be in that spot or right before it to fire). That would make sense, and yeah, the actual range of a ballista probably wouldn't work too well, really shouldn't be much further then a longbow could shoot, but I mean, it would be semi believable. So in this case, the mounted ones on the castle, hidden behind facades/flags whatever, until the dragon comes close to breathe fire on em, and then remove them and fire!! Boom. Just one volley (takes to long to reload), but have like 8 of em on the wall, all set for different angles/heights etc.....that would work, and make sense....and still suck (poor dragon!!), but.....I would be like, good strategy!!! You deserved to kill that dragon. Instead, I feel like the writers just suck and decided they wanted the dragon dead, but didn't bother making it make sense at all.</quote> Heck. Why not even give them a bit of build-up? Like a quick scene earlier on showing them test-firing one, going 'yea it can take down a dragon... if we managed to get this thing that's next to impossible to turn and aim to point in an extremely precise spot to hit a fast-moving target. Why the heck do you think we haven't been using them? Big. Heavy. Cumbersome. Impractical. Only one redeeming feature.' before going 'I have an idea' then doing that thing you suggested. Would only take, like, 30 seconds to a minute and would make a lot more sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/10/19 7:41:17 AM #75:	Viking_Mudcrap posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... GanonsSpirit posted... Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell. Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne? In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason). --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921707278] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell.</quote> Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne?</quote> In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/10/19 10:07:53 AM #76:	Mead posted... Budget is always a consideration. One of the reasons youve seen less and less of Ghost is that everything with the Direwolves is very expensive. Heck HBO cancelled Deadwood abruptly when it was their number one show simply because of the production costs. What's deadwood? Seriusly? What is Deadwood? I can go ask 10 people if they know what Deadwood is and I bet 0 will know. If I ask the same people about GoT, I bet at least all 10 will have heard of it. You literally cannot compare the phenomenon of GoT to any other show HBO has produced. People are paying an HBO subscription only for this show, literally, for 1 single show. I highly doubt they have any budget restrictions, much less when compared to fucking deadwood lol. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921711290] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Budget is always a consideration. One of the reasons youve seen less and less of Ghost is that everything with the Direwolves is very expensive. Heck HBO cancelled Deadwood abruptly when it was their number one show simply because of the production costs.</quote> What's deadwood? Seriusly? What is Deadwood? I can go ask 10 people if they know what Deadwood is and I bet 0 will know. If I ask the same people about GoT, I bet at least all 10 will have heard of it. You literally cannot compare the phenomenon of GoT to any other show HBO has produced. People are paying an HBO subscription only for this show, literally, for 1 single show. I highly doubt they have any budget restrictions, much less when compared to fucking deadwood lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/10/19 10:11:38 AM #77:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... Viking_Mudcrap posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... GanonsSpirit posted... Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell. Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne? In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason). Is this book 4? I only read till book 3 (none of the side stories) and I really don't remember those details from the books @_@ --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921711409] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell.</quote> Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne?</quote> In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason).</quote> Is this book 4? I only read till book 3 (none of the side stories) and I really don't remember those details from the books @_@</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 05/10/19 10:16:43 AM #78:	Viking_Mudcrap posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... Viking_Mudcrap posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... GanonsSpirit posted... Mead posted... If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind. That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne? It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell. Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne? In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason). Is this book 4? I only read till book 3 (none of the side stories) and I really don't remember those details from the books @_@ Well then you should have said that. O_o --- "Shut your filthy whore mouth."- AB "But if I shut my filthy whore mouth, I can't use it to be a filthy whore. Does not compute." - TashaMK <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:921711579] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If anything Id guess its exactly the opposite For several seasons now theyve talked about limitations they have when in comes to production both in budget and episode count. They have to write with both of those limitations in mind.</quote> That wouldn't explain why the writing is shit. And it's not just this season, everything they added back when they still had the books to go off of was garbage too. Remember Dorne?</quote> It's almost fucking criminal how they neutered the Dorne storyline when you had someone the caliber of Alexander Siddig playing Doran Martell.</quote> Remind me again, what was the issue with Dorne?</quote> In the books, it's a slow-burning political revenge storyline which revolves around Doran and Oberyn having always worked together to take down the Lannisters, to the point that Doran intended to marry his daughter to Viserys as a way to sow dissent. When that didn't work, he sent his oldest son to try and marry Dany, but had also arranged a marriage between his youngest son and Myrcella as a way to have some leverage over the Lannisters when things kicked off. Also in the books, Ellaria actively tries to dissuade the Sand Snakes from their revenge kick, and wholeheartedly supports Doran's efforts to keep the peace. Then the show gives us eye candy-only Sand Snakes, fight scenes so badly choreographed they look like editing-room floor scraps, turns Ellaria into a psychotic murdering bitch, and kills off the royal family like chumps. Oh, and kills off Myrcella as revenge for Oberyn's death (even when that was literally his own fault, and he stated on more than one occasion that he had no intention of harming Myrcella for any reason).</quote> Is this book 4? I only read till book 3 (none of the side stories) and I really don't remember those details from the books @_@</quote> Well then you should have said that. O_o</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 05/12/19 10:44:24 PM #79:	And suddenly, all the shortcomings of ballistae mentioned in this thread were at play in this episode, allowing Drogon to solo. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:921819284] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>And suddenly, all the shortcomings of ballistae mentioned in this thread were at play in this episode, allowing Drogon to solo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/12/19 10:58:06 PM #80:	Lol talk about a 360 Last episode a bunch of ballista on MOVING SHIPS, at GROUND LEVEL, were able to hit a dragon flying in the sky at great range MULTIPLE TIMES. That is including the fact that boats......ROCK...while on the ocean outside of the actual movement of the ships themselves (which they had to be doing in order to sneak up on the dragon (somehow) and approach Danny's fleet so fast). This episode MORE over all ballista, stationary, and up high (top of towers), from multple angles and areas, were unable to hit the dragon even once.....including ALL THE BALLISTA in the last episode which got destroyed first. Now, I'm not saying what happened in this episode was not possible, in fact it's far more along the lines of what I would have expected (Especially since the ballista really souldn't have been able to turn and aim so well). Dragon just needed to come at them from an angle they couldn't fire at, and toasty em. It just makes what happened last episode even stupider. --- We are 4 oreos from Heaven!!!! <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:921819830] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote>Lol talk about a 360 Last episode a bunch of ballista on MOVING SHIPS, at GROUND LEVEL, were able to hit a dragon flying in the sky at great range MULTIPLE TIMES. That is including the fact that boats......ROCK...while on the ocean outside of the actual movement of the ships themselves (which they had to be doing in order to sneak up on the dragon (somehow) and approach Danny's fleet so fast). This episode MORE over all ballista, stationary, and up high (top of towers), from multple angles and areas, were unable to hit the dragon even once.....including ALL THE BALLISTA in the last episode which got destroyed first. Now, I'm not saying what happened in this episode was not possible, in fact it's far more along the lines of what I would have expected (Especially since the ballista really souldn't have been able to turn and aim so well). Dragon just needed to come at them from an angle they couldn't fire at, and toasty em. It just makes what happened last episode even stupider.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/15/19 2:50:43 PM #81:	Sardanapallus posted... Mead posted... Got a source on literally everything youve read? https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused. I will find it insulting if those two clones find a job again in the industry. They have one of the most popular shows in history and they are choosing to end it because they lack any type of creativity (evidently as seen on the show) Who in their right minds would give them any other project when they have the golden goose and fail to produce anything but dog feces. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921933326] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sardanapallus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Got a source on literally everything youve read?</quote> https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing Viewers dont want it to end. The media doesnt want it to end. HBO doesnt want it to end. Only the showrunners are ready to wrap things up. In an interview published before the final premiere, D&D made it clear that they were the ones insisting on stopping at eight seasons and limiting the last two to a total of 13 episodes. [HBO] said, Well give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, Weiss said. Benioff added, HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. But the showrunners refused.</quote> I will find it insulting if those two clones find a job again in the industry. They have one of the most popular shows in history and they are choosing to end it because they lack any type of creativity (evidently as seen on the show) Who in their right minds would give them any other project when they have the golden goose and fail to produce anything but dog feces.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viking_Mudcrap 05/15/19 2:52:44 PM #82:	wolfy42 posted... It just makes what happened last episode even stupider. Bro, no. They were sneaky, the dragons didn't see the ballista. That's why it worked. You are just missing a lot of information, you need to read between the lines. The ballistas killing one dragon by surprised was mentioned on season 1 episode 3. --- stuff <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted [p:921933398] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote> It just makes what happened last episode even stupider.</quote> Bro, no. They were sneaky, the dragons didn't see the ballista. That's why it worked. You are just missing a lot of information, you need to read between the lines. The ballistas killing one dragon by surprised was mentioned on season 1 episode 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 05/15/19 5:25:29 PM #83:	Viking_Mudcrap posted... I will find it insulting if those two clones find a job again in the industry. They have one of the most popular shows in history and they are choosing to end it because they lack any type of creativity (evidently as seen on the show) Who in their right minds would give them any other project when they have the golden goose and fail to produce anything but dog feces. They're doing a Star Wars trilogy, so... --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:921940270] in How effici... [t:77697811]...</cite> <quote><cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote>I will find it insulting if those two clones find a job again in the industry. They have one of the most popular shows in history and they are choosing to end it because they lack any type of creativity (evidently as seen on the show) Who in their right minds would give them any other project when they have the golden goose and fail to produce anything but dog feces.</quote> They're doing a Star Wars trilogy, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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