Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 15: The "Russian collusion" was a hoax!

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Ahahaha, check this one out. Before the 2016 elections, I read that the chans made an effort to turn the OK sign into a "hate symbol," and the explanation was really hard to buy - the three fingers being W and the O becoming (somehow) P so it's "WP" for "white power." I thought no-one would fall for such nonsense... But apparently, 3 years later, it's a real thing in the US now, lmfao!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/cubs-fan-appears-to-gesture-white-power-symbol-live-on-air

What's next? Thumbs up?
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Vlado posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado posted...

Because it exists. :)

Thats not a good enough answer. You need to explain further, with actual reasoning

It's a perfect answer. Unless you believe life is not better than death. In which case, there's nothing that can be reasoned with you, ever, because you're completely demoralised. Any attempt would be a waste of time.

I dunno, I think if I was being tortured by nationalists keeping me locked in a cage because my parents brought me along when they crossed the border, escapism into fantasy would be preferable than spending 24/7 in pain, hunger and misery.
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Vlado posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado posted...

Because it exists. :)

Thats not a good enough answer. You need to explain further, with actual reasoning

It's a perfect answer. Unless you believe life is not better than death. In which case, there's nothing that can be reasoned with you, ever, because you're completely demoralised. Any attempt would be a waste of time.

Why is life always better than death? If you make a statement like that you have to explain it. Your whole purpose here is to evangelize your beliefs right? You cant even explain them.
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I'm pretty sure a quadriplegic would be all about the Matrix.
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Also, as a devout Christian, why are you saying life > death? The whole belief system of Christianity is that we live a good life and then get to go to heaven for ever-lasting paradise.
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Espeon posted...

I dunno, I think if I was being tortured by nationalists keeping me locked in a cage because my parents brought me along when they crossed the border, escapism into fantasy would be preferable than spending 24/7 in pain, hunger and misery.

You guys really need to realize that Vlado is coming from a post-soviet society and how it defines his thinking and everything about it. Or stop posting in this topic.

For example, you can say something like this post and it sounds obviously logical to a westerner, but soviets literally had to go through "24/7 in pain, hunger and misery" and survived. That's what he's talking about with life/death. To Vlado, redpill represents literally resisting and surviving Stalin. It's not just harassing women like western redpills (though obv that's part of it). So you can't appeal to him in this way.

Few post-soviets are as dumb as Vlado though, who thinks Hitler is great because he was the opponent of Stalin, but the core philosophies are the same.
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I think youre giving him too much credit. Lets be frank here: Vlado is purely a self-centered asshole. Every contradictory opinion he holds can be explained by looking at that solitary fact.

He claims globalism is divisive by design, while espousing a philosophy that literally advocates dividing humanity and keeping different cultures from intermingling. But globalism is bad because ITS divisiveness establishes people like Vlado as the oppressive bad guys, whereas nationalism is good because people like Vlado are the heroic underdogs, fighting back against oppressive SJWs and PC culture.

Similarly, hes now arguing that freedom is vital, while regularly arguing against the freedom of minorities, the LGBTQ+ community, or women. HIS freedom is the most important, and everyone elses freedom is only important so long as enjoying said freedom doesnt require him to alter his beliefs in any way. If it DOES, then everyone else should have their freedom diminished so Vlados can remain completely unfettered.
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I'm not giving him credit. I know other eastern europeans and bulgarians who grew up in same environment and are not nearly as dumb as to turn to nationalism. All his faults are definitely his own.

I'm just saying, there are things that people say to him that are completely off base to his core post soviet philosophy. When he follows a movement sure he likes the bigotry, but he does genuinely believe he is saving his people in the process. You have to acknowledge that aspect. It's not just an excuse to slur women and minorities like it is for ulti etc
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It's like you guys don't even understand intersectionality points at all!

Sure, Vlado may be a cis white hetero conservative male.... but he's NOT American! That makes him less inherently evil than people like me and Ulti! Duh!
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SmartMuffin posted...

It's like you guys don't even understand intersectionality points at all!

Sure, Vlado may be a cis white hetero conservative male.... but he's NOT American! That makes him less inherently evil than people like me and Ulti! Duh!

Youre not evil because youre any of those things, Smuffin. Youre evil because youre a self-centered asshole who enjoys the suffering of others. Which ironically is why you identify as conservative, not the other way around.
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Leftists: Voluntary institutions could never replace the state.
Me: https://twitter.com/icp/status/1127251627361148929
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Called it that this woman was insane like 2 years ago!

https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1127040792281767936
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SmartMuffin posted...

It's like you guys don't even understand intersectionality points at all!

Sure, Vlado may be a cis white hetero conservative male.... but he's NOT American! That makes him less inherently evil than people like me and Ulti! Duh!

It's sad because you very much understand intersectionality and it's relevance in this case, but the propaganda has lobotomized you to just beat the war drums every time it comes up. I've never had a relative with dementia but it must be similar.
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Vlado posted...

Called it that this woman was insane like 2 years ago!

https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1127040792281767936

Wow she is really appropriating redpill culture for this?
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foolm0r0n posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

It's like you guys don't even understand intersectionality points at all!

Sure, Vlado may be a cis white hetero conservative male.... but he's NOT American! That makes him less inherently evil than people like me and Ulti! Duh!

It's sad because you very much understand intersectionality and it's relevance in this case, but the propaganda has lobotomized you to just beat the war drums every time it comes up. I've never had a relative with dementia but it must be similar.

Dementia's no joke, been dealing with it with My Nan for the last 5yrs.
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Also Ulti is definitely not hetero or conservative
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foolm0r0n posted...

It's sad because you very much understand intersectionality and it's relevance in this case, but the propaganda has lobotomized you to just beat the war drums every time it comes up. I've never had a relative with dementia but it must be similar.

If you actually thought I had dementia, that would add a lot to my score and it wouldn't be appropriate for you to insult me anymore.
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I mean I've never talked to someone with dementia so if that's what you're claiming we can try it out right now
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Thousands of families in over 20 cities throughout Bulgaria came out on Saturday to protest against a proposed "strategy for children" which suggests the government taking away children from their parents similarly to the way it's done in 1984-the-country, Norway. The PM hastily declared that this "strategy" was off the table.
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Yeah, we should only do that to poor brown people crossing a border.
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Who are you arguing with, exactly? Literally nobody believes that, except maybe Obama. We should send the whole family back together in that case.
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Vlado posted...

Who are you arguing with, exactly? Literally nobody believes that, except maybe Obama. We should send the whole family back together in that case.

Trump deliberately separated families as a deterrent.
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https://projekte.sueddeutsche.de/artikel/politik/caught-in-the-trap-e675751/?autologin=true

Nationalism: where your leaders literally sell you out to other countries but at least they ain't brown people.
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I'll probably get modded just for posting this tweet, but here ya go!

https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1130630093913485313
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Do you not see the difference in blaming Jews and blaming Israel?
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In a technical sense, I see how the terms are different, yes.

But I don't see how this applies to this specific issue.

The leader of the only officially Jewish country on Earth, who was Democratically elected by Jews (I imagine the Arabs in Israel who were able to vote probably opposed Netenyahu, so his support among Isreali Jews would be even higher than his support among "Isrealis" in general) is literally bragging that he is trying to goad the US into fighting his wars for him. Why split hairs over the terminology here?
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Because one demonizes a group of people for their ethnicity/religion, implying that their Jew-ness is the cause of any Israeli corruption, and the other directly demonizes the actual corrupt government and the people that support it
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/ex-cia-agent-resigns-from-fund-after-sharing-article-blaming-jews-for-us-wars/amp/

the article she shared was called Americas Jews are Driving Americas Wars

Netenyahu definitely isnt an American Jew
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Also I thought Trump was the master manipulator anyway
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Jakyl25 posted...

Because one demonizes a group of people for their ethnicity/religion, implying that their Jew-ness is the cause of any Israeli corruption, and the other directly demonizes the actual corrupt government and the people that support it

Ok but what if I have lost so much sense of nuance that I can barely see things in black and white, let alone gray or color? How can you explain it then?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/ex-cia-agent-resigns-from-fund-after-sharing-article-blaming-jews-for-us-wars/amp/

the article she shared was called Americas Jews are Driving Americas Wars

Netenyahu definitely isnt an American Jew

If I say something like "black bears are cruel and vicious predators" but it actually turns out that only brown bears are cruel and vicious predators, am I anti-bear? Seems such a statement would be evidence of someone being anti-black more than anything.

So her error is reason to expect she has an anti-American bias, not an anti-Jew bias...
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Also, I'm reading Moby Dick and there's a chapter called "The Whiteness of the Whale" in which the narrator explains that although we've often been conditioned to see white as a color indicating nobility or superiority, it often also signifies brutality and ugliness. The single thing he most hates about Moby Dick is his "whiteness"

It occurred to me that this chapter could probably pass for a gender studies professor today.
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OMG youre so close
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SmartMuffin posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/ex-cia-agent-resigns-from-fund-after-sharing-article-blaming-jews-for-us-wars/amp/

the article she shared was called Americas Jews are Driving Americas Wars

Netenyahu definitely isnt an American Jew

If I say something like "black bears are cruel and vicious predators" but it actually turns out that only brown bears are cruel and vicious predators, am I anti-bear? Seems such a statement would be evidence of someone being anti-black more than anything.

or its evidence that youre so anti-bear youre trying to generalize the behavior of a specific type to all bears so youll villainize bears as a whole in the eyes of your reader

if it was about being anti-American, why would the Jew part even be brought up
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SmartMuffin posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/ex-cia-agent-resigns-from-fund-after-sharing-article-blaming-jews-for-us-wars/amp/

the article she shared was called Americas Jews are Driving Americas Wars

Netenyahu definitely isnt an American Jew

If I say something like "black bears are cruel and vicious predators" but it actually turns out that only brown bears are cruel and vicious predators, am I anti-bear? Seems such a statement would be evidence of someone being anti-black more than anything.

So her error is reason to expect she has an anti-American bias, not an anti-Jew bias...

Mentally replace "jew" with "man" in all of this including the linked article, then read it again.

Do you feel that intense anti-feminist rage building up deep inside you, urging you to scream #NotAllMen from every internet rooftop you can find? Maybe you can use that feeling to empathize with people who don't want to be persecuted because they nominally share a religion with Netanyahu.

Probably not the healthiest way to go about this, but it's better than nothing.

(WARNING: This exercise requires you to acknowledge Jews as people like yourself)
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TheRock1525 posted...

Trump deliberately separated families as a deterrent.

lmao, imagine actually believing that.

TheRock1525 posted...

https://projekte.sueddeutsche.de/artikel/politik/caught-in-the-trap-e675751/?autologin=true

Nationalism: where your leaders literally sell you out to other countries but at least they ain't brown people.

It was a setup on a drunk politician who spilled the beans about how corporations buy parties out. It's a good thing, actually. It was kept in storage for 2 years and released right before the EU parliament elections, so that FP doesn't get the surge that was expected. Sure, in that respect, it was a success - FP only got about the same result as 5 years ago. But the voters that went to Kurz due to this charade will be back soon enough, and more will join them. It's no wonder they're rushing for quick elections, so that they can form a traitorous coalition while FP is still reeling. That will only delay the inevitable.

BTW, while it was initially announced that he talked to "the daugher of a Russian oligarch close to Putin," it turned out that the person Strache talked to was not even Russian, but a Latvian. Obviously someone working with those who filmed and released the video. Of course, the damage had already been done.

When your side has to resort to such measures - keep in mind again that this was kept in the fridge for 2+ years, so it can be used at the most opportune moment, you know that the best you can do is stall.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/ex-cia-agent-resigns-from-fund-after-sharing-article-blaming-jews-for-us-wars/amp/

the article she shared was called Americas Jews are Driving Americas Wars

Netenyahu definitely isnt an American Jew

Neither side is in the wrong here. Obviously, it's only a very small portion of jews (both Israeli and American) that are involved in this - namely ones in positions of power. There are a lot of dual US-Israeli citizens in congress, as well as billionaires, who greatly help Netanyahu manipulate the US war machine to fight for his country's interests.

foolm0r0n posted...

Do you feel that intense anti-feminist rage building up deep inside you, urging you to scream #NotAllMen from every internet rooftop you can find?

No, because, to begin with, we do not need to waste effort disputing what is an obviously false statement.
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Okay results for nationalists at the EU elections. Expected wins in Hungary, Poland, Italy, Britain, France. But worse than expected performance in Austria (due to the video scandal), Germany, Holland (what happened with FvD which won big a couple of months ago, was there some scandal? Or its voters simply don't care about EU elections? Lasa, help).

https://www.rt.com/news/460324-eu-elections-exit-polls/

In Bulgaria, the top nationalist party VMRO did relatively well (about 7,5%), but about as many votes were also scattered among other nationalist candidates.
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Vlado posted...

lmao, imagine actually believing that.

Yes, imagine believing the words of members of the Trump administration who said they were separating families at the border as a deterrent.

I don't even know why you're denying this. It's literally what Trump's chief of staff said.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

lmao, imagine actually believing that.

Yes, imagine believing the words of members of the Trump administration who said they were separating families at the border as a deterrent.

I don't even know why you're denying this. It's literally what Trump's chief of staff said.

Let's see the source.
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Vlado posted...

Holland (what happened with FvD which won big a couple of months ago, was there some scandal? Or its voters simply don't care about EU elections? Lasa, help).

baudet got demonized badly by his opponents. a few days before the election there was huge uproar in the media about an article (which he wrote ages ago) in which he allegedly wrote that "he's against women having jobs." but what he was actually saying was quite a bit more nuanced than that. i'm hardly a baudet fan but that attack wasn't warranted at all.

aside from that, the day before the election there was a debate between rutte and baudet on national television and baudet... kinda sucked in that. while i'm not a fan of him (as i just said), i agree with him on some points and i think he's a good debater but this wasn't his night. probably a bad move by him to agree to this debate right before the election.

and political analysts did point out that a lot of FvD supporters apparently didn't care for this election and didn't vote.

but yeah, the PvdA was the big winner (probably because timmermans apparently did really well in another debate - i didn't watch it) while collectively, the anti-EU parties (FvD, PVV and SP [which i voted for]) did pretty badly. disappointing results for my country.
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I see. It figures then. Kind of scary how many people are swayed by "debates," though.

What are SP's views like?
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Vlado posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

lmao, imagine actually believing that.

Yes, imagine believing the words of members of the Trump administration who said they were separating families at the border as a deterrent.

I don't even know why you're denying this. It's literally what Trump's chief of staff said.

Let's see the source.

Are you in favor of this new move announced by the attorney general early this week that if you cross the border illegally even if you're a mother with your children [we're going] to arrest you? We're going to prosecute you, we're going to send your kids to a juvenile shelter?

The name of the game to a large degree. Let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into United States are not bad people. They're not criminals. They're not MS-13. Some of them are not. But they're also not people that would easily assimilate into the United States into our modern society. They're overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. They don't speak English, obviously that's a big thing. They don't speak English. They don't integrate well, they don't have skills. They're not bad people. They're coming here for a reason. And I sympathize with the reason. But the laws are the laws. But a big name of the game is deterrence.

Family separation stands as a pretty tough deterrent.

It could be a tough deterrent would be a tough deterrent. A much faster turnaround on asylum seekers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/11/610116389/transcript-white-house-chief-of-staff-john-kellys-interview-with-npr
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Vlado posted...

What are SP's views like?

they're the dutch socialist party. can't say i know the full extent of what their beliefs are since marijnissen took over (she hasn't been the leader for too long yet). but i do know they're just as anti-EU as FvD while having better economic policies. it's the best of both worlds!
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

lmao, imagine actually believing that.

Yes, imagine believing the words of members of the Trump administration who said they were separating families at the border as a deterrent.

I don't even know why you're denying this. It's literally what Trump's chief of staff said.

Let's see the source.

Are you in favor of this new move announced by the attorney general early this week that if you cross the border illegally even if you're a mother with your children [we're going] to arrest you? We're going to prosecute you, we're going to send your kids to a juvenile shelter?

The name of the game to a large degree. Let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into United States are not bad people. They're not criminals. They're not MS-13. Some of them are not. But they're also not people that would easily assimilate into the United States into our modern society. They're overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. They don't speak English, obviously that's a big thing. They don't speak English. They don't integrate well, they don't have skills. They're not bad people. They're coming here for a reason. And I sympathize with the reason. But the laws are the laws. But a big name of the game is deterrence.

Family separation stands as a pretty tough deterrent.

It could be a tough deterrent would be a tough deterrent. A much faster turnaround on asylum seekers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/11/610116389/transcript-white-house-chief-of-staff-john-kellys-interview-with-npr

OK, that's stupid. Very stupid idea that achieves nothing in practice, while also making the Trump administration look bad. Just secure the fucking border. But Kelly's handlers do not want to do that.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

What are SP's views like?

they're the dutch socialist party. can't say i know the full extent of what their beliefs are since marijnissen took over (she hasn't been the leader for too long yet). but i do know they're just as anti-EU as FvD while having better economic policies. it's the best of both worlds!

Sounds like they are traditional socialists as opposed to globalist, i.e. corporation-controlled "socialists," which is definitely a breath of fresh air.
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Excellent cartoon from Ben, citing a good Trump interview:

Well, Im the one that talks about these wars that are 19 years (long), and people are just there. And dont kid yourself, you do have a military industrial complex. They do like war, Trump said in his interview with Fox Newss Steve Hilton.

You know, In Syria with the caliphate, so I wipe out 100% of the caliphate that doesnt mean youre not going to have these crazy people going around, blowing up stores and blowing up things, these are seriously ill peopleBut I wiped out 100 percent of the caliphate, Trump continued. I said, I want to bring our troops back home the place went crazy. They want to keep you have people here in Washington, they never want to leave. I said, you know what Ill do, Ill leave a couple hundred soldiers behind, but if it was up to them theyd bring thousands of soldiers in.

Trump added, someday people will explain it, but you do have a group, and they call it the military-industrial complex.

They never want to leave, they always want to fight. No.

https://grrrgraphics.com/good-advice
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trump: *orders 1500 troops to the persian gulf*
ben: trump is totally avoiding foreign entanglements!
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Well, by now we're used to Trump saying good things and then his "staff" pressuring him to do the opposite.
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i don't see how a cartoon depicting trump heroically walking away from foreign conflicts is supposed to be "excellent," then.

a more accurate cartoon would depict a sweating, fearful trump shouting orders to troops while trump's staff is holding him on a leash.
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It's the thought that counts... Clearly, Trump doesn't want war. But he's too weak to completely neutralise those around him who do. To his credit, so far no big war has broken out under him - actually, the Syrian one all but ended. So he is containing the warmongers to some extent, which is not too bad.
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