Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 15: The "Russian collusion" was a hoax!

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Vlado posted...

These demon-possessed globalist puppets are too afraid to even utter the name of Christ in text.

Wait have we reached this point? Do you literally believe they are possessed by demons?
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It's one good explanation for not being able to say "Christ." :)

BTW, globalist puppet Poroshenko got CRUSHED in the Ukraine elections... I have little hope for the winner, though. Most likely they just replaced one puppet with a more popular one.
https://www.rt.com/news/457167-zelensky-wins-presidency-ukraine/
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Wow, you just get easily upset about anything, dont you?

Personally, I find Easter worshippers far more condemning than just Christians because it highlights that the victims were Christians in the midst of worshipping the holiest event on the Christian calendar.

Seriously, why are you so easily offended?
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Vlado posted...

I'll make it clear for you:
I am a nationalist. (Assange is an anti-globalist. In that, we greatly overlap.)
Muffin is a libertarian. (So is Ron Paul.)
You are a globalist in denial.

Yes. (Yes. But anti-globalism is anti-nationalism.)
Nope. (Yes, unlike Muffin.)
Nope and nope.

So as you sit and lecture from your internet high chair, you have confused all 3 of your "clear" statements. No wonder I never asked you to lecture me about these things. I was trying to have a simple argument but I guess you still don't know how to talk to another person as an equal.

I'm actually incredibly impressed that you recognize Assange and RP are not nationalists though. This surprising level of awareness is why I still find it reasonable to keep engaging you, compared to other nationalists.
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Espeon posted...

Personally, I find Easter worshippers far more condemning than just Christians because it highlights that the victims were Christians in the midst of worshipping the holiest event on the Christian calendar.

Easter worshippers could be from any religion though, so it's a clear erasure of Christianity.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Vlado posted...

I'll make it clear for you:
I am a nationalist. (Assange is an anti-globalist. In that, we greatly overlap.)
Muffin is a libertarian. (So is Ron Paul.)
You are a globalist in denial.

Yes. (Yes. But anti-globalism is anti-nationalism.)
Nope. (Yes, unlike Muffin.)
Nope and nope.

So as you sit and lecture from your internet high chair, you have confused all 3 of your "clear" statements. No wonder I never asked you to lecture me about these things. I was trying to have a simple argument but I guess you still don't know how to talk to another person as an equal.

I'm actually incredibly impressed that you recognize Assange and RP are not nationalists though. This surprising level of awareness is why I still find it reasonable to keep engaging you, compared to other nationalists.

As I said, you're in denial.

Assange and Ron Paul are Australian and American, respectively. I hope you understand why they cannot be nationalist on the same level as us Europeans (or Japanese, or Chinese).
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Vlado posted...

I hope you understand why they cannot be nationalist on the same level as us Europeans.

lmaoooo okay, I revoke my last statement. You're so quick to make me regret my compliments.

I wonder why everyone is hyping this Mueller report when they could've just pointed out Trump is European and thus can't be president of the US.
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Trump is exactly as American as Ron Paul. It's that both the US and Australia are colonies (or remnants thereof), as opposed to their own nations.

You understand very well what constitutes a nation, but you do not want to say it out loud.

Assange has never expressed much love for the Australian "nation"... Paul's love for the US is the love for its constitution and the principles it was founded on - which I also admire.
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Here is a reasonable summation I found. (Source: lawfare)

"Trumps people were aware the Russians sought to help them win. They welcomed that assistance. Instead of warning the American public, they devised a public relations and campaign strategy that sought to capitalize on Russias illicit assistance. In other words, the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other sides intention. They just didnt agree to work toward that goal together."

Collusion? Maybe technically not, but it indicates a level of cooperation.

And it still has him dead to rights on obstruction.

Even without the report he should be dead to rights on obstruction. He's done half of it in plain sight
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Vlado posted...

You understand very well what constitutes a nation, but you do not want to say it out loud.

I think youre projecting here since you are the one that wont say it out loud
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The problem with Vlados definition of nationalism is that he tries SO hard to make himself seem legitimate/not racist by claiming other benefits. But when called out on his claims, he dismisses any arguments he cant rebut. Really, the ONLY aspect of nationalism that he ACTUALLY supports is the racial segregation.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado posted...

You understand very well what constitutes a nation, but you do not want to say it out loud.

I think youre projecting here since you are the one that wont say it out loud

Yeah he's doing that thing again where he ignores what I said and starts arguing with himself in his response to me.

Vlado posted...

Trump is exactly as American as Ron Paul

Like are you saying that Trump is not, and can't be, a real nationalist anymore? Are you now pretending Trump was never your movement's premier hero? Has Trump literally been Milo'd? As if we needed more evidence that Bannon has controlled your entire life since the alpha/beta days...

I don't give a shit about your latest definition of nationalism that the people you follow have been trying to convince you of, and I'm definitely not going to try to keep up with all that shit. The best I can do is try to understand the ""logic"" you have come up with to tie 15 years of cognitive dissonance together.

But what you're saying right now is that RP and Assange aren't nationalist because they can't be - i.e. they are as nationalist as a colonial can be, just like Trump.

And that's completely delusional and desperate ANY way you look at it.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Here is a reasonable summation I found. (Source: lawfare)

"Trumps people were aware the Russians sought to help them win. They welcomed that assistance. Instead of warning the American public, they devised a public relations and campaign strategy that sought to capitalize on Russias illicit assistance. In other words, the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other sides intention. They just didnt agree to work toward that goal together."

Collusion? Maybe technically not, but it indicates a level of cooperation.

And it still has him dead to rights on obstruction.

Even without the report he should be dead to rights on obstruction. He's done half of it in plain sight

lmfao, imagine still clinging to this after such a massive failure. I suppose Putin is also ordering Trump to threaten Germany with sanctions over the Russian-German North Stream 2 project.

Jakyl25 posted...

I think youre projecting here since you are the one that wont say it out loud

I have. A nation constitutes of a people of common blood, tongue, culture and history, and their land.

foolm0r0n posted...

Like are you saying that Trump is not, and can't be, a real nationalist anymore? Are you now pretending Trump was never your movement's premier hero?

Trump is still a hero, and I choose to believe he is simply not strong enough a person to implement the ideas that got him elected, over the alternative that he always was controlled opposition. You have to understand - the US is not a nation. You don't become a nation in a mere 200-something years. Much less by following the destructive direction your country is on. Trump was the chance to set it back on the path to nationhood. And only someone who implements the full set of Candidate Trump's ideas - and then some - can do it.

foolm0r0n posted...

As if we needed more evidence that Bannon has controlled your entire life since the alpha/beta days...

lol, I don't think I can understand your obsession with Bannon. Sure, he's one of the more prominent recent thinkers of the right, but he is not the puppetmaster you imagine him to be. Do not forget, Bannon is still an American.

foolm0r0n posted...

i.e. they are as nationalist as a colonial can be, just like Trump.

At most.

foolm0r0n posted...

And that's completely delusional and desperate ANY way you look at it.

No, it's simply the truth.
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So do you think America rose to become a super power in spite of its diversity? Why do you think such a young nation became so powerful so quickly?
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Vlado posted...

I have. A nation constitutes of a people of common blood, tongue, culture and history, and their land.

Have you ever actually done a count of how many different nations there SHOULD be?
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TheRock1525 posted...

So do you think America rose to become a super power in spite of its diversity? Why do you think such a young nation became so powerful so quickly?

It didn't.

America wasn't really a superpower until after World War I, at the earliest (and it wasn't really obvious until after World War II).

And it had less to do with anything in particular we were doing, and more to do with Europe being really stupid and implementing socialism. And also freely giving away their colonial dominions in the name of social justice or whatever.
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You dont think it had anything to do with Europe destroying itself through war?
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Jakyl25 posted...

You dont think it had anything to do with Europe destroying itself through war?

When you adopt socialism, war is inevitable. One followed the other. Mises correctly predicted this in the 1930s.
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I thought you were all about personal responsibility
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Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado posted...

I have. A nation constitutes of a people of common blood, tongue, culture and history, and their land.

Have you ever actually done a count of how many different nations there SHOULD be?

Based on that criteria the right answer is probably 0.

SmartMuffin posted...

And also freely giving away their colonial dominions in the name of social justice or whatever.

Freely giving away their colonial dominions in the name of "wow whoops we just lost a war to our colonial dominion"
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Kenri posted...

Based on that criteria the right answer is probably 0.

No, it is 1. The global nation of white Europeans who speak English and own all the land and peoples. It's the only natural conclusion of Vlado's brand of supremacy and imperialism-as-anti-imperialism.

This is the most consistent irony of Vlado over the years - the more he preaches nationalism, the more his statements and ""logic"" actually promote one world order globalism. And then he asks why I am so fascinated by the puppetmasters who made him this way.

They literally Milo'd Trump though. After only 2 years. That's wild. I really thought it would go until he lost his reelection at least.
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PS no one ask Vlado about Israel
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TheRock1525 posted...

So do you think America rose to become a super power in spite of its diversity? Why do you think such a young nation became so powerful so quickly?

You mean... "country," I suppose. It became a "super power" only after it became (against the will of the people, of course) HQ of the international banking elite who to this day seek to enslave us. That is also the origin of the "diversity" you speak of. And, for better or worse, money determines a lot in this world. A lot, but not everything, as the kicked globalist ass of today suggests.

Jakyl25 posted...

Have you ever actually done a count of how many different nations there SHOULD be?

No. But the world is a big place. :) There are a lot.

SmartMuffin posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So do you think America rose to become a super power in spite of its diversity? Why do you think such a young nation became so powerful so quickly?

It didn't.

America wasn't really a superpower until after World War I, at the earliest (and it wasn't really obvious until after World War II).

And it had less to do with anything in particular we were doing, and more to do with Europe being really stupid and implementing socialism. And also freely giving away their colonial dominions in the name of social justice or whatever.

And now consider that all those things are connected and direct consequences of the aforementioned elite asserting its dominance.

foolm0r0n posted...

No, it is 1. The global nation of white Europeans who speak English and own all the land and peoples.

No. "White nationalism" is an American term. Keep it there. I am a Bulgarian nationalist. We are certainly not the same people as the English, for example. Or even our neighbours the Romanians. Or even our neighbours that speak almost the same language, the Serbs.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

You dont think it had anything to do with Europe destroying itself through war?

When you adopt socialism, war is inevitable. One followed the other. Mises correctly predicted this in the 1930s.

Are you one of those people who thinks the Nazi party were socialists?
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Vlado posted...

"White nationalism" is an American term. Keep it there.

Oh believe me we would if we could. But Europeans love that shit way too much.
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Vlado, how can you claim that youre a Bulgarian nationalist? You have, in this very topic series, claimed that globalists want to destroy Western culture. Youre more than happy to claim European status when it benefits you. In fact, it seems like you increase/decrease the scope of your nationalist beliefs entirely based on just how much power and control you wish to have over others.

If you were really serious about nationalism, you would completely abandon the Internet, outside of Bulgarian-centric websites. But you benefit too much from the globalist advantages the internet provides to ever go cold turkey and practice what you preach.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again: Vlado is perfectly fine with globalism. He just wants globalism where his beliefs are the central focus, rather than any other culture. Lets be real here: Vlado would, ideally, force Evangelical Christian ideals on the rest of the world if it meant not having to risk other religions and cultures taking root.
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Europe is not a single nation, there are plenty of nations composing Europe, with mostly shared values, but their own cultures.

I know it must be very hard for an American to comprehend this, one's been around for 200 years, the other for millennia...

What I believe in is all peoples having their own nations and governing themselves.
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How did all those different cultures come to be again?
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Vlado posted...

Europe is not a single nation, there are plenty of nations composing Europe, with mostly shared values, but their own cultures.

I know it must be very hard for an American to comprehend this, one's been around for 200 years, the other for millennia...

What I believe in is all peoples having their own nations and governing themselves.

But ideally, all those different nations follow your ideology.
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Ideally, we sail the stars right about 20 years ago. Sadly, we don't.
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Why are you so obsessed with space travel as the goal of humanity? Just curious
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Are you saying it should not be a goal? I am not "obsessed" any more than a child who learned how to crawl is "obsessed" with learning to walk.
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Its always your pie in the sky endgame for what humanity should be doing.

There are lots of potential frontiers aside from outer space. Yes it should be a goal but its one of many next steps, not the natural next step like crawling to walking
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what's the difference between a Bulgarian and a Serb?

does it take a different amount of them to screw in a lightbulb?
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Should sailing the stars be done on a specifically nationalist basis?

Wouldnt want globalism to turn into universalism
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What are these "lots of potential frontiers" other than space?
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Is your mind really that limited to think that physical space is the only way for humans to explore?

We can cure disease, we can end hunger, we can understand quantum physics and discover how entanglement really works and why. We can create simulations for people to live in or visit if they choose. We can conquer time itself.

You dont need to go visit Alpha Centauri to make process as a species
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Not to mention such accomplishments actually improve our ability to travel through space.
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Vlado posted...

What are these "lots of potential frontiers" other than space?

We still have a long way to go in terms of human psychology. You are a prime example of this.
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Space, eh?

Fancy yourself as Major Tom/Mr Spock/etc, Valdo?
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Jakyl25 posted...

We can cure disease, we can end hunger, we can understand quantum physics and discover how entanglement really works and why.

Okay? Not comparable in the slightest.

Jakyl25 posted...

We can create simulations for people to live in or visit if they choose.

What's the point? Why eat meat created in a lab when you can eat real meat?

Jakyl25 posted...

We can conquer time itself.

Not going to happen. Space is a far more attainable goal.

Machete posted...

We still have a long way to go in terms of human psychology.

Wrong. Already Greek philosophers have said more or less all there is to be said about this. If "we" currently have "a long way to go," that's because "we" decided to follow the deception of some hacks instead of trusting what we know to be true.

Hardcore_Adult posted...

Space, eh?

Fancy yourself as Major Tom/Mr Spock/etc, Valdo?

It does not look like it'll be possible in my time.
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Vlado posted...

What's the point? Why eat meat created in a lab when you can eat real meat?

We dont have enough real meat

And the point of building simulations is the same reason we have video games just more engrossing.
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Vlado posted...

Not going to happen. Space is a far more attainable goal.

But theres nothing in space, at least as far as we can see. Why bother?
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Maybe Vlado will find an alien he can lose his virginity to in space

Vlado posted...

What I believe in is all peoples having their own nations and governing themselves.

Woah wait this is completely opposite from what you said before.

You said a nation consists of common blood, tongue, culture, and land. That necessarily excludes about 80% of the people in the world from having a nation. But now you say you want everyone to have their own nation?

Either you loosen your definition of nation, or you accept that your nationalism explicitly rejects the humanity of ~80% of humans on earth (i.e. white nationalism).
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Vlado posted...

Already Greek philosophers have said more or less all there is to be said about this

Man where are you getting this stuff. Redpill preachers must have gotten real creative the past couple months after ditching Trump.
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or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCbAEkfXSDE" data-time="
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foolm0r0n posted...

Vlado posted...

Already Greek philosophers have said more or less all there is to be said about this

Man where are you getting this stuff. Redpill preachers must have gotten real creative the past couple months after ditching Trump.

He edited out the part where I clarified that he was an ideal candidate for a lifetime of psychology studies tbh
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Jakyl25 posted...

We dont have enough real meat

But we do.

Jakyl25 posted...

And the point of building simulations is the same reason we have video games just more engrossing.

Oh, for fun? Well, sure, whatever. Not nearly as important as space travel.

Jakyl25 posted...

But theres nothing in space, at least as far as we can see. Why bother?

Uh... That's far from true.

foolm0r0n posted...

That necessarily excludes about 80% of the people in the world from having a nation.

lmfao, imagine actually believing that.

foolm0r0n posted...

Man where are you getting this stuff.

I think for myself. Maybe if you bothered reading the works of great men before us, you'd find it out, too.
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