Current Events > Less than 1/2 of people support increasing teachers salaries once they learn the

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salaries teachers get

http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/teaching_now/2018/12/the_teaching_profession_in_2018_in_charts.html

It's the third chart. When people are ignorant of teacher salaries, 67% of people support increasing teacher pay. When they learn about teacher salaries, only 49% of people support increasing teacher pay

Pretty interesting
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How much do they earn
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I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.
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Doe posted...

How much do they earn

60k according to the article.
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Doe posted...

How much do they earn

depends heavily on your state and locality

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

Yeah but $60k is roughly the average teacher salary, period, not the average starting salary
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.
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My wife is tenured and still hasnt broken 60K

Her district has shit pay
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Seems like a fair wage. Ive long held teachers arent underpaid. Someone had hacked into the school database and released the salaries of the teachers in the school district I grew up in. My gym teacher was making 90K LOL.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Seems like a fair wage.

It seems like people are roughly split on this question once they learn what teachers make
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My wife has been teaching for 7 years and she just got a big raise to $42k
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Balrog0 posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

Seems like a fair wage.

It seems like people are roughly split on this question once they learn what teachers make

Which means its probably fair IMO. I will say new teachers get screwed though.
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Yeah. Teacher's being underpaid is though it varies by area not really that big a thing.

More efficient funding and(for actually underfunded areas not poorly managed ones) funding increases would better. And partly adress salary concerns because teachers often dip into their own money for things.

I am sure some cities have problems with it but its certainly not a nationwide protest issue. Bigger issues with education than that to take on.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Yeah. Teacher's being underpaid is though it varies by area not really that big a thing.

More efficient funding and(for actually underfunded areas not poorly managed ones) funding increases would better. And partly adress salary concerns because teachers often dip into their own money for things.

I am sure some cities have problems with it but its certainly not a nationwide protest issue. Bigger issues with education than that to take on.

I agree with this. Teachers needing to dip into their own pays for required school materials is a travesty.
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Colorahdo posted...

My wife has been teaching for 7 years and she just got a big raise to $42k

Where do you live.

If cost of living is low that could be "wealthy" though if you live in California or New York that ain't much at all.
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DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Colorahdo posted...

My wife has been teaching for 7 years and she just got a big raise to $42k

Where do you live.

If cost of living is low that could be "wealthy" though if you live in California or New York that ain't much at all.

Colorado. It's awful. Worst place in the west to be a teacher
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.

Though, unless there's extremely disproportionate representation of certain careers in certain areas, comparisons of averages essentially take care of that.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.

Yeah.

Though at a certain point unless you specifically chose to live In some ultra rich gated community or something it becomes functionally rrelevant to anyone with any sort of money skills.

Like if you make 250K a year and are struggling...I can't even.
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There are lots of careers that pay between $35,000 and $70,000 (based on location) annually that require a 4 year degree. Teachers get exceptional benefits, too.

But there is a bigger focus on teacher salary simply because we spend 12 years of our childhood listening to teachers constantly bitch about their pay. News flash, teachers....everyone thinks they are underpaid.
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how many vacation days per year?
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I'd be interested in knowing how people value teachers in regards to what they do vs other professions.
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Personally, it's not that I necessarily think teachers are underpaid, but I think we should be paying teachers more so that those who are competitive in other fields are lured into the profession. If education up to high school is supposed to provide people the appropriate tools to approach our world in a guided manner, it is currently failing. Better teachers and better education is what we need.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.

Yeah that was why I mentioned it.

As in, I beat the national average for teaching within three years even with the handicap of being in a region at the low end of the spectrum.

The point being while $60k might sound good for an entry level position, it's kind of a pitiful average across all regions and experience levels.
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DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.

Yeah that was why I mentioned it.

As in, I beat the national average for teaching within three years even with the handicap of being in a region at the low end of the spectrum.

The point being while $60k might sound good for an entry level position, it's kind of a pitiful average across all regions and experience levels.

I think there may be some confusion in that he might think you yourself are also a teacher?
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Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?
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codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.

You don't need extremely intelligent people teaching kids. They are literally trying to teach children the stuff they know.

They just need to not be assholes.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Colorahdo posted...

My wife has been teaching for 7 years and she just got a big raise to $42k

Where do you live.

If cost of living is low that could be "wealthy" though if you live in California or New York that ain't much at all.

No where in the US is $42k considered wealthy. Words have meanings. Comfortable or avg is not wealthy

HenryAllbright posted...

There are lots of careers that pay between $35,000 and $70,000 (based on location) annually that require a 4 year degree. Teachers get exceptional benefits, too.

But there is a bigger focus on teacher salary simply because we spend 12 years of our childhood listening to teachers constantly bitch about their pay. News flash, teachers....everyone thinks they are underpaid.

Dont complain you have shit teachers when there is a teaching shortage cuz of the shit pay then. California has one right now. I peaced out of teaching partly do to the pay

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

Achieving that goal is a bit more complicated than just increasing pay to attract brighter people. Because once you get a really smart guy in the classroom, what's he gonna do from there? All he can do is follow the procedures in place like every other teacher does. There's little room for trying to do things differently or "better".

Read the chapters in the textbook. Answer questions in the textbook. Do some examples on the white board. Have a test every couple of weeks. Assign a paper or two. It's the process teachers have to follow.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.

You don't need extremely intelligent people teaching kids. They are literally trying to teach children the stuff they know.

They just need to not be assholes.

In a way this is also true. They have cursory knowledge on what they teach.
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Chart #1: More Than Half of Teachers Are Not Satisfied With Their Salaries

That sounds like a pretty decent ratio. More than half of people anywhere are not satisfied with their pay.
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HenryAllbright posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

Achieving that goal is a bit more complicated than just increasing pay to attract brighter people. Because once you get a really smart guy in the classroom, what's he gonna do from there? All he can do is follow the procedures in place like every other teacher does. There's little room for trying to do things differently or "better".

Read the chapters in the textbook. Answer questions in the textbook. Do some examples on the white board. Have a test every couple of weeks. Assign a paper or two. It's the process teachers have to follow.

Then other specialities should move to Next Gen Science Standards. In that the standards have been revised to say that students need to prove things like Newtons laws through experiments

I work in schools. Those lazy bums make too much as it is.
Every damn year they do less. The kids get out earlier, fewer days of school, shorter lesson plans. Yet every year they all bitch about the kids being given a raw deal because the teachers aren't being paid enough. As if there's a connection. Then the district tries to add minutes back to the school day and they strike. Worthless, lazy slobs.
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The average is decent, but that's a poor representative. I live in NJ, and most teachers I've known and met didn't break 40k until tenure.
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my wife is a HS english teacher. she has both a BA and an MA, has 5+ years of teaching experience, and currently works at a school in a very wealthy area that is considered one of the best in the entire country.

she makes $60k. i make more money than her resetting peoples' passwords for a living. and the worst part about teaching salary is that there is a pretty low ceiling for it; you basically go up a step each year and once you reach the top step you arent earning more.
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How many hours is a work year for a teacher? Standard in the US is 2,080 including PTO.
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Honestly i worked harder as a teacher than I ever have as an engineer

EndOfDiscOne posted...

How many hours is a work year for a teacher? Standard in the US is 2,080 including PTO.

Hours in classroom or hours worked...cuz grading/lesson planning happens outside of school

I think it's too dependent on locality to make any sweeping generalizations. In some states they are horrifically underpaid. In other states it's probably about right. You also have to take into account their other benefits, like pensions and summer vacation.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.

True. But one does need less education to teach than to be a surgeon or lawyer and paying teachers as much as those wills absolutely not be sustainable.

Of course it just needs to be enough that combined with the cost of medical/legal school they might reconsider and be a teacher instead...
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AlephZero posted...

I think it's too dependent on locality to make any sweeping generalizations. In some states they are horrifically underpaid. In other states it's probably about right. Yiu also have to take into account their other benefits, like pensions and summer vacation.

And also this.
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pikachupwnage posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.

True. But one does need less education to teach than to be a surgeon or lawyer and paying teachers as much as those wills absolutely not be sustainable.

Of course it just needs to be enough that combined with the cost of medical/legal school they might reconsider and be a teacher instead...

I have a masters degree in my engineering speciaity. Needed to spend another 25k in tuition to get my teaching credential the traditional way

HydraSlayer82 posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Yeah. Teacher's being underpaid is though it varies by area not really that big a thing.

More efficient funding and(for actually underfunded areas not poorly managed ones) funding increases would better. And partly adress salary concerns because teachers often dip into their own money for things.

I am sure some cities have problems with it but its certainly not a nationwide protest issue. Bigger issues with education than that to take on.

I agree with this. Teachers needing to dip into their own pays for required school materials is a travesty.

Haha tf?

That's messed up.
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tote_all posted...

Balrog0 posted...

only 49%

lmfao

I'm not sure what you're laughing at
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pikachupwnage posted...

True. But one does need less education to teach than to be a surgeon or lawyer and paying teachers as much as those wills absolutely not be sustainable.

Not necessarily true, you need a masters for NY state, one might compare masters to law school.
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COVxy posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

True. But one does need less education to teach than to be a surgeon or lawyer and paying teachers as much as those wills absolutely not be sustainable.

Not necessarily true, you need a masters for NY state, one might compare masters to law school.

Interesting, I've heard that here in Indiana you don't even need a college degree to teach (cue jokes about IN)
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pikachupwnage posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

codey posted...

Outside of them deserving or not deserving more, I think they should get paid more to make it a more attractive position for brighter people, considering theyre the ones spending all day with our children and educating them. Why would someone that's bright enough to be a doctor or engineer consider becoming a teacher when it pays so much less?

This is a fair point.

True. But one does need less education to teach than to be a surgeon or lawyer and paying teachers as much as those wills absolutely not be sustainable.

Of course it just needs to be enough that combined with the cost of medical/legal school they might reconsider and be a teacher instead...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting teachers get paid as much as a doctor (though some lawyers would be feasible since their wages tend to vary quite a bit). I just think they should get more than they do.
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