Poll of the Day > Far-Right CONSERVATIVE has QUIT Social Media after his Fans TURNED ON HIM!!!

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Full Throttle
12/11/18 12:10:49 AM
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Is Ammon right on the migrants? - Results (7 votes)
Yes
85.71% (6 votes)
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No
14.29% (1 vote)
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Ammon Bundy, the rancher from Oregon who started the far-right wing anti-government movement and was known for his stand off with government over land rights has QUIT social media after he CLASHED with TRUMP over his treatment of migrants and his supporters have TURNED on him by calling him a "paid globalist"!!

He's taking a step back from the movement he started and quit social media altogether after his devoted conservatives have sent him DEATH THREATS and called him now a "liberal plant" after he criticized Trump on the treatment of migrants from Central America who travelling to the border to seek refuge

He had a similar standoff with the feds in 2014 over rights to graze cattle on federal land near his father's ranch in Nevada

He became the face of the militia movement whose members hold right-wing views and anti-government philosophy..

He is now quitting the group and is quitting facebook after becoming frustrated with the elements of the group he helped to create

Ammon told WaPo "I never joined a movement. We were a ranching family. We were ranching and the government came to take our livelihood away and we said no. It was no more t han that. I was asked multiple times from different various individuals what i thought about these caravans and i didn't know, to be honest with you. I didn't nkow the facts. So i began to research and try to determine the facts."..

Trump repeatedly said in the midterms that the caravan was an INVASION but Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"

Now his former supporters who even went to his father's ranch to fight the government have REGRET supporting him and are flooding his page with negative remarks and have turned their backs on him.

Bundy said "The facts were rejected. I could only see that 99% of it was that same Trump rhetoric of calling these people terrorists. And they'd pick out an isolated issue and go 'oh look 40 of them are charging the border so all 5000 are bad. These refugees are not all the same. They didn't come from the same places. They didn't even come from the same country"

Bundy has been hesitant about being the face of the group as the majority of them are anti-muslim, anti-immigrant militias that he doesn't necessarily agree with as he will continue speaking for gun rights and the environment.

Bundy also points out the hypocrisy of the right who say that liberals who break from their viewpoints are not accepted as free-thinkers and then there's people like him who are now singled out for breaking the viewpoint of conservative politics.

Is Ammon right?

Ammon - Former Conservative Leader

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Keebs05
12/11/18 12:17:43 AM
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Full Throttle posted...
Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"

You start the asylum process by going through an official port of entry. Throwing rocks at border guards and trying to climb fences isn't the proper way. Other than that, he's right. This whole caravan situation has been handled horribly.
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ASlaveObeys
12/11/18 12:19:39 AM
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Reasonable dude wanting to remove himself as the face of a group of unreasonable people.
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BlackScythe0
12/11/18 1:00:29 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
Full Throttle posted...
Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"

You start the asylum process by going through an official port of entry. Throwing rocks at border guards and trying to climb fences isn't the proper way. Other than that, he's right. This whole caravan situation has been handled horribly.


The administration stated the only way to apply for asylum was through official ports of entry.

The violence happened because they also refused to process any applications at official ports of entry.

I got upset too when I first saw the footage and was in a very "they deserve it" point of view when people were crying about children getting gassed. But then I learned the conflict was intentionally set up by the administration. We have procedures and processes to deal with these situations, instead he halted those procedures and lined up people on the border to try getting some friendly photo ops to help him with his racist message.
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Keebs05
12/11/18 1:17:06 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Full Throttle posted...
Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"

You start the asylum process by going through an official port of entry. Throwing rocks at border guards and trying to climb fences isn't the proper way. Other than that, he's right. This whole caravan situation has been handled horribly.


The administration stated the only way to apply for asylum was through official ports of entry.

The violence happened because they also refused to process any applications at official ports of entry.

I got upset too when I first saw the footage and was in a very "they deserve it" point of view when people were crying about children getting gassed. But then I learned the conflict was intentionally set up by the administration. We have procedures and processes to deal with these situations, instead he halted those procedures and lined up people on the border to try getting some friendly photo ops to help him with his racist message.

Neither side is helping themselves. This clusterfuck was started by Trump and his chest-pounding but violence and bum-rushing the border isn't going to win the caravan any supporters. I don't understand how you combat illegal immigration but refusing to process people trying to do it legally. The immigration process is long and confusing enough as it is without all this bullshit going on.
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BlackScythe0
12/11/18 1:34:27 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Keebs05 posted...
Full Throttle posted...
Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"

You start the asylum process by going through an official port of entry. Throwing rocks at border guards and trying to climb fences isn't the proper way. Other than that, he's right. This whole caravan situation has been handled horribly.


The administration stated the only way to apply for asylum was through official ports of entry.

The violence happened because they also refused to process any applications at official ports of entry.

I got upset too when I first saw the footage and was in a very "they deserve it" point of view when people were crying about children getting gassed. But then I learned the conflict was intentionally set up by the administration. We have procedures and processes to deal with these situations, instead he halted those procedures and lined up people on the border to try getting some friendly photo ops to help him with his racist message.

Neither side is helping themselves. This clusterfuck was started by Trump and his chest-pounding but violence and bum-rushing the border isn't going to win the caravan any supporters. I don't understand how you combat illegal immigration but refusing to process people trying to do it legally. The immigration process is long and confusing enough as it is without all this bullshit going on.


The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.
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ClarkDuke
12/11/18 4:29:38 AM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
Reasonable dude wanting to remove himself as the face of a group of unreasonable people.

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minervo
12/11/18 4:31:28 AM
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ClarkDuke posted...
ASlaveObeys posted...
Reasonable dude wanting to remove himself as the face of a group of unreasonable people.

This, I'm sure he'll be back on social media eventually, just needs to choose better friends.
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Kyuubi4269
12/11/18 4:38:36 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.

It's pretty slanderous to reference his advisor white nationalist in this context when anti-immigration is just classic nationalism.
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BlackScythe0
12/11/18 9:16:59 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.

It's pretty slanderous to reference his advisor white nationalist in this context when anti-immigration is just classic nationalism.


I'm not calling him a white nationalist because of that, and I don't understand why you are attempting to make it sound like I am. Stephen Miller is a white nationalist and uses his position as advisor to push for a cut in legal immigration.
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Kyuubi4269
12/11/18 9:23:27 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.

It's pretty slanderous to reference his advisor white nationalist in this context when anti-immigration is just classic nationalism.


I'm not calling him a white nationalist because of that, and I don't understand why you are attempting to make it sound like I am. Stephen Miller is a white nationalist and uses his position as advisor to push for a cut in legal immigration.

Let me put it this way:

When people talk about Stephen Fry and his work, they refer to him as an actor or a personality, they do not call him gay man Fry. They use the descriptor that is relevant to the topic at hand.

In this instance, border control is a nationalist thing, there is nothing inherently racist about protecting borders.
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BlackScythe0
12/11/18 9:31:27 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.

It's pretty slanderous to reference his advisor white nationalist in this context when anti-immigration is just classic nationalism.


I'm not calling him a white nationalist because of that, and I don't understand why you are attempting to make it sound like I am. Stephen Miller is a white nationalist and uses his position as advisor to push for a cut in legal immigration.

Let me put it this way:

When people talk about Stephen Fry and his work, they refer to him as an actor or a personality, they do not call him gay man Fry. They use the descriptor that is relevant to the topic at hand.

In this instance, border control is a nationalist thing, there is nothing inherently racist about protecting borders.


There is a reason they are called "white nationalist". You're trying to mince words and play a "clever" semantics game.
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Kyuubi4269
12/11/18 9:38:19 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration isn't against illegal immigration. They are against immigration. And no I'm not being sarcastic. What Stephen Miller? Or one of the other white nationalist advisors of him who are advocating cutting the amount of people we allow in legally.

It's pretty slanderous to reference his advisor white nationalist in this context when anti-immigration is just classic nationalism.


I'm not calling him a white nationalist because of that, and I don't understand why you are attempting to make it sound like I am. Stephen Miller is a white nationalist and uses his position as advisor to push for a cut in legal immigration.

Let me put it this way:

When people talk about Stephen Fry and his work, they refer to him as an actor or a personality, they do not call him gay man Fry. They use the descriptor that is relevant to the topic at hand.

In this instance, border control is a nationalist thing, there is nothing inherently racist about protecting borders.


There is a reason they are called "white nationalist". You're trying to mince words and play a "clever" semantics game.

They're white nationalists as they want the nation for whites, note that America is not exclusively white and white people are stopped at the border too. This is an immigration policy, not a supremacy/segregation policy.
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Istillhateyou
12/11/18 11:36:25 AM
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why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins
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ninja_lootz
12/11/18 2:23:16 PM
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Istillhateyou posted...
why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins

Because the people you're talking about are fringe, crazy people. Normal people are fine living in a country with other races.
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Istillhateyou
12/11/18 6:45:00 PM
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ninja_lootz posted...
Istillhateyou posted...
why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins

Because the people you're talking about are fringe, crazy people. Normal people are fine living in a country with other races.


To each there own, I still don't see whats so evil
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BlackScythe0
12/11/18 7:47:31 PM
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Istillhateyou posted...
why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins


First of all Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people is a disgusting fucking lie.

Second off white nationlists are an extreme minority. They don't have the power to seize property and land from those who own it and the sovereign nation that rules it.

Third off why would anyone be willing to give up territory and seize the property of the people who live there just to allow a nation of extremists with a history of violence and various ideologies of ethnic cleansing to sit on their borders and brew potential terrorists?

Stop posting disgusting stuff. *spit*
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Nade Duck
12/11/18 8:33:15 PM
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ASlaveObeys posted...
Reasonable dude wanting to remove himself as the face of a group of unreasonable people.

ya
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Zeus
12/11/18 9:42:29 PM
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He was a man trying to protect his land and livelihood. What's so far-right about that? Wouldn't *every* ideology -- except maybe communalists -- feel the same?

Full Throttle posted...
Trump repeatedly said in the midterms that the caravan was an INVASION but Bundy said "He has basically called them all criminals. What about the fathers, the mothers, the children, who have come here and willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually by criminals?"


If they were willing to go through it, they would wait at ports of entry instead of trying to force their way in. And the concern that the caravan could result in a lot of illegal immigration is certainly a well-founded one.

BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration stated the only way to apply for asylum was through official ports of entry.

The violence happened because they also refused to process any applications at official ports of entry.

I got upset too when I first saw the footage and was in a very "they deserve it" point of view when people were crying about children getting gassed. But then I learned the conflict was intentionally set up by the administration. We have procedures and processes to deal with these situations, instead he halted those procedures and lined up people on the border to try getting some friendly photo ops to help him with his racist message.


You say that now, but we know that you wanted them walked across the border and set up in five-star hotels at taxpayer expense =p

BlackScythe0 posted...
Stephen Miller is a white nationalist


Source?
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BlackScythe0
12/12/18 12:06:20 AM
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Zeus posted...
He was a man trying to protect his land and livelihood. What's so far-right about that? Wouldn't *every* ideology -- except maybe communalists -- feel the same?


He led a terrorist attack, in a state he didn't live in, on land he had no livelihood in.

Zeus posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...
The administration stated the only way to apply for asylum was through official ports of entry.

The violence happened because they also refused to process any applications at official ports of entry.

I got upset too when I first saw the footage and was in a very "they deserve it" point of view when people were crying about children getting gassed. But then I learned the conflict was intentionally set up by the administration. We have procedures and processes to deal with these situations, instead he halted those procedures and lined up people on the border to try getting some friendly photo ops to help him with his racist message.


You say that now, but we know that you wanted them walked across the border and set up in five-star hotels at taxpayer expense =p


Was that a joke?
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Istillhateyou
12/12/18 12:11:19 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Istillhateyou posted...
why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins


First of all Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people is a disgusting fucking lie.

Second off white nationlists are an extreme minority. They don't have the power to seize property and land from those who own it and the sovereign nation that rules it.

Third off why would anyone be willing to give up territory and seize the property of the people who live there just to allow a nation of extremists with a history of violence and various ideologies of ethnic cleansing to sit on their borders and brew potential terrorists?

Stop posting disgusting stuff. *spit*


there's not necessarily anything "extreme" about wanting to live amongst your own people, you don't have to get violent or cleanse ethnicitys to exist separately, and if that where the case, why in the fuck would you even want the races to live together? If separating the races leads to genocide, then how in the hell is putting everyone everywhere going to fix things?
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BlackScythe0
12/12/18 12:19:53 AM
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Istillhateyou posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Istillhateyou posted...
why is "white nationalism" some giant evil in the first place? Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people (despite being so desperate to live in there countries) so it makes sense that white people would want there own countries, and it makes sense that non whites would want whites to live in there own countries so they wouldn't have to associate with evil whitey, everyone wins


First of all Everyone that's not white seems to hate white people is a disgusting fucking lie.

Second off white nationlists are an extreme minority. They don't have the power to seize property and land from those who own it and the sovereign nation that rules it.

Third off why would anyone be willing to give up territory and seize the property of the people who live there just to allow a nation of extremists with a history of violence and various ideologies of ethnic cleansing to sit on their borders and brew potential terrorists?

Stop posting disgusting stuff. *spit*


there's not necessarily anything "extreme" about wanting to live amongst your own people, you don't have to get violent or cleanse ethnicitys to exist separately, and if that where the case, why in the fuck would you even want the races to live together? If separating the races leads to genocide, then how in the hell is putting everyone everywhere going to fix things?


I'm not putting people anywhere. I believe in individual liberty.
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Zeus
12/12/18 12:58:38 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
He led a terrorist attack


Given the complete lack of attacking in what amounted to little more than an unlawful occupation during a protest against land seizures, those are some fine mental gymnastics. But hey, I'm sure you labeled the Occupy Wall Street crowd terrorists as well.

BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm not putting people anywhere. I believe in individual liberty.


But not national sovereignty which serves as the collective use of individual liberty to determine the direction of their nation.... well, at least, you don't believe in it where *white* nations are concerned.
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BlackScythe0
12/12/18 2:15:25 AM
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Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
He led a terrorist attack


Given the complete lack of attacking in what amounted to little more than an unlawful occupation during a protest against land seizures, those are some fine mental gymnastics. But hey, I'm sure you labeled the Occupy Wall Street crowd terrorists as well.


When did Occupy Wall Street go in heavily armed, seize federal land, and use threat of violence to keep them out?

Zeus posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm not putting people anywhere. I believe in individual liberty.


But not national sovereignty which serves as the collective use of individual liberty to determine the direction of their nation.... well, at least, you don't believe in it where *white* nations are concerned.


o.0 What national sovereignty do white nationalists have? They don't have a nation.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
12/12/18 2:39:39 AM
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Lmao. Zeus bein racist up in hurr.
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Istillhateyou
12/12/18 12:52:47 PM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Lmao. Zeus bein racist up in hurr.


Yeah, yeah, whites doing/saying anything at all is racist, we get it. thankfully, alot of meaningless buzzwords have lost alot of impact by now
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Zeus
12/12/18 8:41:55 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
When did Occupy Wall Street go in heavily armed, seize federal land, and use threat of violence to keep them out?


Pigeonhole much? Otherwise there was more violence at Occupy Wall Street events than at the Occupy Federal Land event, especially considering the whole armed thing.

BlackScythe0 posted...
o.0 What national sovereignty do white nationalists have? They don't have a nation.


o rly? What about the Aryan Nation?! But seriously, wtf are you even talking about? Every nation has a people and they have the right to determine the direction of their nation.

Istillhateyou posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Lmao. Zeus bein racist up in hurr.


Yeah, yeah, whites doing/saying anything at all is racist, we get it. thankfully, alot of meaningless buzzwords have lost alot of impact by now


It's not even that, Frnd just trolls non-stop. He doesn't believe any of the horseshit he posts, he just goes for whatever libel is at hand.
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