Poll of the Day > House Democrats unveil their first bill: a sweeping anti-corruption proposal.

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WastelandCowboy
11/30/18 1:52:58 PM
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18118158/house-democrats-anti-corruption-bill-hr-1-pelosi

What this anti-corruption bill aims to do:

Sarbanes says the goal is to have a bill, which has many details yet to be hammered out, ready to be voted on by January 3 the first day of the new session.
There are three main planks the bill covers: campaign finance reform, strengthening the governments ethics laws, and expanding voting rights.

Campaign finance
Public financing of campaigns, powered by small donations. Under Sarbaness vision, the federal government would provide a voluntary 6-1 match for candidates for president and Congress, which means for every dollar a candidate raises from small donations, the federal government would match it six times over. If you give $100 to a candidate thats meeting those requirements, then that candidate would get another $600 coming in behind them, Sarbanes told Vox this summer. The evidence and the modeling is that most candidates can do as well or better in terms of the dollars they raise if they step into this new system.
Passing the DISCLOSE Act, pushed by Rep. David Cicilline (RI) and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI), both Democrats from Rhode Island. This would require Super PACs and dark money political organizations to make their donors public.
Passing the Honest Ads Act, championed by Sens. Amy Klobuchar (MN) and Mark Warner (VA), which would require Facebook and Twitter to disclose the source of money of political ads on their platforms, and share how much money was spent.

Ethics
Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.
Stopping members of Congress from using taxpayer money to settle sexual harassment cases or buy first-class plane tickets.
Giving the Office of Government Ethics the power to do more oversight and enforcement and put in stricter lobbying registration requirements.
Create a new ethical code for the US Supreme Court, ensuring all branches of government are impacted by the new law.

Voting rights
Creating new national automatic voter registration that asks voters to opt out, rather than opt in, ensuring more people will be signed up to vote. Early voting and online voter registration would also be promoted.
Restoring the Voting Rights Act, part of which was dismantled by a US Supreme Court decision in 2013. Ending partisan gerrymandering in federal elections and prohibiting voter roll purging.
Beefing up elections security, including requiring the Director of National Intelligence to do regular checks on foreign threats.


Great bill, but like Vox said, it's very likely to never pass the Senate or Oval Office due to opposing motives.

Inb4 someone comments on vox.
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Veedrock-
11/30/18 2:05:58 PM
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Under Sarbaness vision, the federal government would provide a voluntary 6-1 match for candidates for president and Congress, which means for every dollar a candidate raises from small donations, the federal government would match it six times over. If you give $100 to a candidate thats meeting those requirements, then that candidate would get another $600 coming in behind them, Sarbanes told Vox this summer.

Uhhh what? Is this really saying our tax dollars are going to political campaigns? Don't know about you guys but this isn't what I pay taxes for.

Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.

There's no purpose here besides deliberating targeting Trump. It's a ridiculous inclusion.

Create a new ethical code for the US Supreme Court, ensuring all branches of government are impacted by the new law.

Not sure what this means exactly but I don't like the sound of it. Congress isn't there to tell SCOTUS what to do or what's permitted. Congress shouldn't be able to pass a code they made up and have it indisputably enforced by the SCOTUS without contest.
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Oops_All_Berrys
11/30/18 2:08:37 PM
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Vox?
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WastelandCowboy
11/30/18 2:20:11 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Under Sarbaness vision, the federal government would provide a voluntary 6-1 match for candidates for president and Congress, which means for every dollar a candidate raises from small donations, the federal government would match it six times over. If you give $100 to a candidate thats meeting those requirements, then that candidate would get another $600 coming in behind them, Sarbanes told Vox this summer.

Uhhh what? Is this really saying our tax dollars are going to political campaigns? Don't know about you guys but this isn't what I pay taxes for.

Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.

There's no purpose here besides deliberating targeting Trump. It's a ridiculous inclusion.

Create a new ethical code for the US Supreme Court, ensuring all branches of government are impacted by the new law.

Not sure what this means exactly but I don't like the sound of it. Congress isn't there to tell SCOTUS what to do or what's permitted, it's the other way around. Congress shouldn't be able to pass a code they made up and have it indisputably enforced by the SCOTUS if they disagree with it.

By establishing a requirement for requiring diclosure of tax returns, wed be setting a precedent for current and future presidents. Its not just a ploy to target Trump.

As for the moral code issue, why not? If all branches are receiving the same treatment, nobody would be treated unfairly.
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TheWorstPoster
11/30/18 2:27:33 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
By establishing a requirement for requiring diclosure of tax returns, wed be setting a precedent for current and future presidents. Its not just a ploy to target Trump.


It is nothing more than attempting to get Trump impeached, for supposedly trying to claim that Trump never paid his taxes.

Even though this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eB-xjDMGdQ" data-time="


As for the Supreme Court part, it is nothing more than to limit the Supreme Court justices' rulings, since that Ruth Bader Ginsburg doesn't have too much longer to live, and wants to block whatever they do, since it will be a heavily conservative court.

As for "Voting Rights", they are attempting to get more people to vote, regardless of legitimacy (ex-felons or illegal aliens), as well as taking a stab at Trump for Russia's supposed interference (despite the fact that there is absolutely 0 evidence that Russia rigged the election).
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Veedrock-
11/30/18 2:57:39 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
By establishing a requirement for requiring diclosure of tax returns, wed be setting a precedent for current and future presidents. Its not just a ploy to target Trump.

Two faults there: 1) that's incredibly preemptive, and 2) it assumes it's inherently unethical to keep them private, a notion I do not agree with. We didn't need this law or notion before Trump, why do we need it now?

WastelandCowboy posted...
As for the moral code issue, why not? If all branches are receiving the same treatment, nobody would be treated unfairly.

It's not their place to enforce that decision though. The law can say everyone gets equal treatment, which SCOTUS can either then enforce or overturn. For example Congress cannot enforce on SCOTUS that it's unethical for POTUS to keep tax returns private; SCOTUS is the one that makes that decision, not a third-party guideline.

If Congress gets away with enforcing guidelines on a separate government branch without question, it sets a dangerous precedent.
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 3:05:13 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Public financing of campaigns, powered by small donations. Under Sarbaness vision, the federal government would provide a voluntary 6-1 match for candidates for president and Congress, which means for every dollar a candidate raises from small donations, the federal government would match it six times over. If you give $100 to a candidate thats meeting those requirements, then that candidate would get another $600 coming in behind them, Sarbanes told Vox this summer. The evidence and the modeling is that most candidates can do as well or better in terms of the dollars they raise if they step into this new system.


I am 100% against this. I am for campaign finance reform but this is giving the government the wrong kind of power.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.


This is an irrelevant smear playing on partisan lines.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Creating new national automatic voter registration that asks voters to opt out, rather than opt in, ensuring more people will be signed up to vote. Early voting and online voter registration would also be promoted.


Power should be with the states. Massachusetts already does this, and doesn't make me any more likely to vote.

This is not anti-corruption btw. I hope this bill dies a fiery death as it is filled with partisan nonsense.
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 3:08:32 PM
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Now an ACTUAL example of campaign finance reform would be to prohibit multinational corporations (or corporations in general) from contributing to the campaign of any government official, and the prohibition of PACs and Corporate Lobbying.
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BeerOnTap
11/30/18 3:43:20 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Under Sarbaness vision, the federal government would provide a voluntary 6-1 match for candidates for president and Congress, which means for every dollar a candidate raises from small donations, the federal government would match it six times over. If you give $100 to a candidate thats meeting those requirements, then that candidate would get another $600 coming in behind them, Sarbanes told Vox this summer.

Uhhh what? Is this really saying our tax dollars are going to political campaigns? Don't know about you guys but this isn't what I pay taxes for.

Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.

There's no purpose here besides deliberating targeting Trump. It's a ridiculous inclusion.

Create a new ethical code for the US Supreme Court, ensuring all branches of government are impacted by the new law.

Not sure what this means exactly but I don't like the sound of it. Congress isn't there to tell SCOTUS what to do or what's permitted. Congress shouldn't be able to pass a code they made up and have it indisputably enforced by the SCOTUS without contest.


^this

Also, yes, Vox is gutter trash.
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Mead
11/30/18 4:06:00 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Now an ACTUAL example of campaign finance reform would be to prohibit multinational corporations (or corporations in general) from contributing to the campaign of any government official, and the prohibition of PACs and Corporate Lobbying.


So basically overturn citizens united

Something Democrats have been trying to do for well over a decade
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Zareth
11/30/18 4:08:03 PM
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Why would any politician vote for an anti-corruption bill? Do they not want to get reelected or something?
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DrCidd
11/30/18 5:36:35 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
As for "Voting Rights", they are attempting to get more people to vote, regardless of legitimacy (ex-felons or illegal aliens)


Felons and illegal aliens don't deserve the right to vote. And illegal aliens should never have a vote in this country. Ever. Having said that, if they ever become legal citizens, they shall too be granted the right to vote.
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 5:38:12 PM
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I see most of the usual political posters have shut the hell up and not posted in this thread. Very obvious that nobody has an issue with this absurd partisanship.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 5:39:29 PM
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Lmao the dems are like petulant children. When they lose, everyone is suddenly a cheater and all the rules of the game need to be changed. They're the equivalent of an angry child flipping the chess board over when they're losing
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BlackScythe0
11/30/18 6:08:59 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Requiring the president to disclose his or her tax returns.

There's no purpose here besides deliberating targeting Trump. It's a ridiculous inclusion.


It's not targeting Trump actually. It's happening because of Trump. This is surely not going to be the last thing being proposed to cover up flaws in our government that Trump has exposed.

Anyways this bill is important they need to fight for it. They're gonna lose, but democrats need to make a distinction between them and Republicans. They need to show that they care about governing and have the ability and willingness to at least attempt to do so. The worst thing Democrats could do is sit around and just focus on investigations. Investigations need to happen in the back ground while democrats are publicly advocating and fighting for good bills like this one that enjoy pretty popular support.

OhhhJa posted...
Lmao the dems are like petulant children. When they lose, everyone is suddenly a cheater and all the rules of the game need to be changed. They're the equivalent of an angry child flipping the chess board over when they're losing


Georgia literally just had the governors seat stolen by criminal voter suppression.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 6:27:07 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Georgia literally just had the governors seat stolen by criminal voter suppression.

I'm not saying I dont agree with some of these changes, if not most, but it's just funny that suddenly the dems want these changes to happen. Also, as corrupt as the DNC has shown itself to be, their virtue signaling is pretty laughable
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 6:27:43 PM
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Democrats have no issue with widespread political corruption, see the 2016 presidential election.
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Mead
11/30/18 6:28:18 PM
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Still waiting on a shred of evidence of the millions of illegals that drumpf insists voted for killary
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 6:31:01 PM
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You should look at the bussing of fake residents to Nevada and New Hampshire during the 2016 Democratic Primaries.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 6:34:10 PM
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Mead posted...
Still waiting on a shred of evidence of the millions of illegals that drumpf insists voted for killary

You know that Obama deported more than twice as many illegal immigrants at this same point in time in his presidency as trump has?
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 6:35:57 PM
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Also the half dozen(?) Democratic Primaries that were won due to a coin toss, where HRC won all of them, most famous one was Iowa.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

But like always, PotD's politics are so far up the asses of the mainstream media that nobody cares - and I'm fine with that.
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Blighboy
11/30/18 6:37:50 PM
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I personally carried sixty illegals to the polls uphill both ways

Also lmao at the panic over the tax return part

It was always an unwritten rule

No shit if you break it it's going to become a written rule
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BlackScythe0
11/30/18 6:38:19 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Georgia literally just had the governors seat stolen by criminal voter suppression.

I'm not saying I dont agree with some of these changes, if not most, but it's just funny that suddenly the dems want these changes to happen. Also, as corrupt as the DNC has shown itself to be, their virtue signaling is pretty laughable


I don't see it as sudden to be honest? There has always been general anti-jerrymandering sentiment but most people in the nation didn't know what it was. Also we've seen a steep rise in efforts of voter suppression since they voting rights act was weakened which is causing rising frustrations. I feel like people are more aware and this is a response to demand from the base.
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Blighboy
11/30/18 6:41:38 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Also, as corrupt as the DNC has shown itself to be, their virtue signaling is pretty laughable

Remember when they pathetically virtue signalled about children in concentration camps and got bipartisan support for getting rid of that shit

And you kept supporting it

Getting real tired of OhhhJa's ass hole signaling
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Entity13
11/30/18 6:42:05 PM
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While I'm sure that some of them might legitimately wish to combat corruption, it's all too likely that this is a political ploy by the Dems to further stain the image of Republicans. "Hey, look, the Republicans voted against anti-corruption. Wouldn't you like to know why?!" It's all part of the pendulum-like political dance we have seen for decades and longer, now.
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Judgmenl
11/30/18 6:42:30 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Tere has always been general anti-jerrymandering sentiment


Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
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Oops_All_Berrys
11/30/18 6:43:14 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Also the half dozen(?) Democratic Primaries that were won due to a coin toss, where HRC won all of them, most famous one was Iowa.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

But like always, PotD's politics are so far up the asses of the mainstream media that nobody cares - and I'm fine with that.


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Mead
11/30/18 6:49:48 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Also the half dozen(?) Democratic Primaries that were won due to a coin toss, where HRC won all of them, most famous one was Iowa.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

But like always, PotD's politics are so far up the asses of the mainstream media that nobody cares - and I'm fine with that.


Yeah you sound completely at ease
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:22:15 PM
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Blighboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Also, as corrupt as the DNC has shown itself to be, their virtue signaling is pretty laughable

Remember when they pathetically virtue signalled about children in concentration camps and got bipartisan support for getting rid of that shit

And you kept supporting it

Getting real tired of OhhhJa's ass hole signaling

You keep saying this like it actually happened. But I know being a basement dwelling troll is your schtick
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Blighboy
11/30/18 7:25:50 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
You keep saying this like it actually happened. But I know being a basement dwelling troll is your schtick

Dude we were all there

Who the fuck are you trying to fool here
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:28:25 PM
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Blighboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
You keep saying this like it actually happened. But I know being a basement dwelling troll is your schtick

Dude we were all there

Who the fuck are you trying to fool here

By all, you mean your imagination was there right? But I'm sure a few people who disagree with my politics here would be glad to ride the coattails of your bullshit to try and discredit me. Ad hominem is the favorite fallacy of the leftist trolls after all
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Mead
11/30/18 7:29:14 PM
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Is he denying the monkey emoji thing again
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:29:51 PM
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Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along
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WastelandCowboy
11/30/18 7:32:00 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

Neither side is pure.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:32:12 PM
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Mead posted...
Is he denying the monkey emoji thing again


But I'm sure a few people who disagree with my politics here would be glad to ride the coattails of your bulls*** to try and discredit me.

Holy shit, mead was right on cue. You guys are so predictable its cute

Do you still not shop at aldi because of black people? I go to aldi regularly and have no problems with customers not all being white
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:33:10 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well
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Blighboy
11/30/18 7:33:39 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to do here

Every other time I brought this up you immediately jumped to defending the internment of migrant children

Now you're just denying it ever happened?
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Blighboy
11/30/18 7:36:24 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well

https://imgur.com/B1Gw7cI
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WastelandCowboy
11/30/18 7:37:13 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well

Maybe its just the way you said it? I dunno. Not having the patience or cares to look up this argument, Ill just chalk it up to maybe resulting from the way it was said. You do sometimes come off as an ass.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:39:01 PM
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Blighboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to do here

Every other time I brought this up you immediately jumped to defending the internment of migrant children

Now you're just denying it ever happened?

Yes I am absolutely denying it happened. I remember commenting about the cage picture being staged because it was and I also remember commenting that the children in the detainment center picture in time magazine that everyone was outraged about was found to be from 2013 or so but no... I definitely never said, "hey it's really awesome that these children are in cages and being separated from their parents."
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:39:25 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well

Maybe its just the way you said it? I dunno. Not having the patience or cares to look up this argument, Ill just chalk it up to maybe resulting from the way it was said. You do sometimes come off as an ass.

As do you good sir
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WastelandCowboy
11/30/18 7:41:20 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well

Maybe its just the way you said it? I dunno. Not having the patience or cares to look up this argument, Ill just chalk it up to maybe resulting from the way it was said. You do sometimes come off as an ass.

As do you good sir

Oh, yeah. Im pretty much the epitome of a horses ass.
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 7:43:33 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

I mean, bligh seemed to take major issue with me pointing out that they are corrupt as well

Maybe its just the way you said it? I dunno. Not having the patience or cares to look up this argument, Ill just chalk it up to maybe resulting from the way it was said. You do sometimes come off as an ass.

As do you good sir

Oh, yeah. Im pretty much the epitome of a horses ass.

We finally found common ground!
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GasMonkey
11/30/18 7:48:40 PM
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lmao how many whataboutisms can a single topic have?
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Mead
11/30/18 7:53:19 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

Neither side is pure.


Theyre hardly two sides of a coin the way some people treat them like though

The corruption of the right is freaking out of control
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OhhhJa
11/30/18 8:11:23 PM
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Mead posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Anyway, it seems that I've really struck a major butthurt chord of yours by pointing out that the DNC isnt as pure as they pretend to be. But folks like you are easy to string along

Woah woah. Whoever said the DNC is pure and good? The RNC is up there in corruption as well.

Neither side is pure.


Theyre hardly two sides of a coin the way some people treat them like though

The corruption of the right is freaking out of control

Dude the DNC rigged the primary for Hillary! Lmao. There's also the fact that the Hillary campaign colluded with the Russians as well. Neither side is anywhere close to not being out of control
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