Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 209: Lord of the Lies

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/supreme-court-planned-parenthood-abortion/index.html

Oh hey good job...Kavanaugh?
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I've been wondering for a while now if Kavanaugh is going to end up shifting his public decisions further left than expected in order to avoid scrutiny. Probably gonna be a long time before we see enough decisions to make assumptions.

Normally I'd say such a thing is unthinkable of a Supreme Court Judge, but seeing how he acted and responded during that hearing... I could see him having enough insecurity.
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So hes a coward
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/supreme-court-planned-parenthood-abortion/index.html

Oh hey good job...Kavanaugh?

It wouldn't have mattered if he vote yes. Justice Roberts vote for sealed the deal.
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Aye, if the shoe fits, a I'll take it. Better he's a cowardly middle than an aggressive right!
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Umitencho posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/supreme-court-planned-parenthood-abortion/index.html

Oh hey good job...Kavanaugh?

It wouldn't have mattered if he vote yes. Justice Roberts vote for sealed the deal.

So the article is incorrect when it says you just need four Justices to agree to hear a case?
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i've often wondered if his evasive answers towards abortion meant he planned to accept the supreme court precedent exactly up until he was in a position to reverse it or if he just didn't want to take a stance supporting it publicly before he got to the bench

imagine if he actually thinks its fine and the crusade against him was pointless
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CoolCly posted...

i've often wondered if his evasive answers towards abortion meant he planned to accept the supreme court precedent exactly up until he was in a position to reverse it or if he just didn't want to take a stance supporting it publicly before he got to the bench

imagine if he actually thinks its fine and the crusade against him was pointless

Uhhh, his rant about the Clintons and whatnot on the Senate Floor during his confirmation hearings means that the crusade against him was absolutely not pointless, regardless of his views on specific issues.

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<
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CoolCly posted...

i've often wondered if his evasive answers towards abortion meant he planned to accept the supreme court precedent exactly up until he was in a position to reverse it or if he just didn't want to take a stance supporting it publicly before he got to the bench

imagine if he actually thinks its fine and the crusade against him was pointless

I mean, not having a potential sexual assault perpetrator on the supreme court isn't a pointless pursuit
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Kenri posted...

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<

you guys actually believe this?
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Kavanaugh could have been the furthest left candidate for a judge we ever had, fuck 'em.
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CoolCly posted...

Kenri posted...

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<

you guys actually believe this?

Wow.
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CoolCly posted...

Kenri posted...

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<

you guys actually believe this?

"Oh"
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Jakyl25 posted...

need four Justices to agree to hear a case?

Ah, you are right, my bad.

*Admin Law Prof curses me for all eternity*
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CoolCly posted...

Kenri posted...

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<

you guys actually believe this?

I mean, you can make this argument with Gorsuch, but Kavanaugh didnt steal a seat that belonged to Barack Obama. He was just a scumbag with unresolved questions as to whether or not he committed sexual assault.
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I think its fair to separate the crusade against Kavanaugh by Democrats in the Senate from the crusade against Kavanaugh from the progressive public
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Jakyl25 posted...

I think its fair to separate the crusade against Kavanaugh by Democrats in the Senate from the crusade against Kavanaugh from the progressive public

Oh, well, yeah.
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CoolCly posted...

Kenri posted...

I mean, the crusade against Kavanaugh wasn't exactly about his political views. <_<

you guys actually believe this?

Uhhhhhhhhh, yes?

Do you remember nearly as big an outcry about Gorsuch (who was just as conservative but not an attempted rapist)?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Do you remember nearly as big an outcry about Gorsuch (who was just as conservative but not an attempted rapist)?

Gorsuch was going to be filibustered until McConnell nuked it. Why does everyone forget this?
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Kavanaugh absolutely shouldn't have been on for his political biases plus his repeated fucking perjury about DNC files.

Possible attempted raper was just the cherry on the shit sundae.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Kavanaugh absolutely shouldn't have been on for his political biases plus his repeated fucking perjury about DNC files.

Possible attempted raper was just the cherry on the shit sundae.

The rapist thing got the attention of the public, but his views, biases, demeanor, and perjury all should have been enough to disqualify him on their own.
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First bit of good news wrt abortion rights out of the Supreme Court post Kavanaugh:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-rejects-review-of-medicaid-funding-for-planned-parenthood

Both Kavanaugh and Roberts voted with the liberal members with the other three conservatives in dissent. Obviously this is not exactly the same thing as affirming what previous courts have decided, but it is a tentatively optimistic step in the right direction. I still think Roberts himself is enough to stop these things since I do not think he wants that big of a decision being overturned, but I still think this ruling makes me cautiously, tentatively optimistic.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

First bit of good news wrt abortion rights out of the Supreme Court post Kavanaugh:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-rejects-review-of-medicaid-funding-for-planned-parenthood

Both Kavanaugh and Roberts voted with the liberal members with the other three conservatives in dissent. Obviously this is not exactly the same thing as affirming what previous courts have decided, but it is a tentatively optimistic step in the right direction. I still think Roberts himself is enough to stop these things since I do not think he wants that big of a decision being overturned, but I still think this ruling makes me cautiously, tentatively optimistic.

Kavanaugh knows he is being watched & the last thing he wants to happen is give Democrats enough political capital to impeach & remove him. We may have taken a conservative judge & forced him to judge in the middle because he was so thoroughly dressed down during his confirmation hearings. Had Republicans kept the house at minimum, he would gladly be a Republican stooge right now. My guess is that he is gonna follow Roberts in whatever he does.
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There is a 0% chance Kavanaugh gets impeached in this or any lifetime after he's sworn in.
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Kavanaugh is a respected judge, not a partisan hack. Supreme Court justices vote with the "other side" pretty often, much more than the media would have you believe. The most common score on the Supreme Court is 9-0.
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red sox 777 posted...

Kavanaugh is a respected judge

"Have YOU ever been drunk? Huh? HUH?"
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i mean, red sox isn't wrong. there are plenty of people who have an incredible amount of respect for kavanaugh.

whether or not kavanaugh deserves this is a different matter.
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Being respected doesn't amount to much. Cosby, weinstein, lauer...those are just contemporary examples
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also, lol @ the "liberals were attacking kavanaugh for his political views!" thing. yeah, because if kavanaugh was out we would have gottten barrett, who's... way more conservative than kavanaugh.
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Cosby, Weinstein, and Lauer were all respected in their fields because they did good work in those fields. We were talking about Kavanaugh making judicial decisions.
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On a scale of 1-10, how sad will everyone here be when Hillary is arrested for her many crimes?
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The only way Hillary is getting arrested is if she travels to Russia and gets arrested for interfering in Russian elections.
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Cyrlous posted...

On a scale of 1-10, how sad will everyone here be when Hillary is arrested for her many crimes?

Why would that make anyone here sad?

Like...she's not particularly popular on the left, being a pro-corporate pro-fracking politician, and I wasn't under the impression that she was popular on the right either.

So it would have to be some seriously weird situation for me to expect people to be sad. Something like...she's innocent but gets arrested anyway for partisan reasons. And even then, I don't think people would be sad about her being arrested so much as sad about an obvious sign of a crumbling American democracy (people being arrested for their political views).
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Please stop replying to obvious trolls.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/maria-butina-accused-russian-agent-reaches-plea-deal/story?id=59719083

There is...potentially a LOT here

Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, Erickson wrote in an October 2016 email to an acquaintance that was later obtained by the FBI, Ive been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization].

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We've officially moved from "no crimes" to "what's so bad about crime?"
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/420704-hatch-i-dont-care-if-prosecutors-are-arguing-trump-broke-the-law
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/maria-butina-accused-russian-agent-reaches-plea-deal/story?id=59719083

There is...potentially a LOT here

Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, Erickson wrote in an October 2016 email to an acquaintance that was later obtained by the FBI, Ive been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization].

Wonder what the orgs in those brackets could be
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LordoftheMorons posted...

We've officially moved from "no crimes" to "what's so bad about crime?"
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/420704-hatch-i-dont-care-if-prosecutors-are-arguing-trump-broke-the-law

Orrin Hatch 2018: I don't care if the President's own DOJ has implicated him in felonies. What is a "crime" anyway?

Orrin Hatch 1999: "crimes of moral turpitude such as perjury and obstruction of justice go to the heart of qualification for public office" https://t.co/8K8NVZSntj

https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1072246225624272897
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I've just sat here thinking about that Orrin Hatch quote and I just can't even figure out what to say about it. I don't understand humans

good news everyone, The Caravan has been repelled!
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I think it is important to note that they didn't vote against any issue. They voted against feeling the issue was worthy of a Supreme Court look at it.

That may not matter to some of you, but there is a slight difference there.

That said, Kavanaugh has always been a staunch supporter of precedent with his conservative views. The villany that many attributed to him if he was in office are just bullshit, and anyone with a brain already knew that. Roe V Wade and Gay Marriage was never going to be touched.
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As someone else said, it wasn't his conservative views that produced such a large backlash. Had he fallen through, an even further right justice would have taken his place.

Anyone with a brain would be able to recognize that the villainy attached to him wasn't because of his politics.
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Trump straight up says that hell shut down the government if he doesnt get wall money:

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1072542790939222017?s=21
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump straight up says that hell shut down the government

omg he's an anarchist.

finally i understand why muffin loves him so much.
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why do we need a wall when the caravan has been stopped already!!

also I'm pretty sure he's claimed this before, he's not doing shit
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Well, now's the furthest shutdown opportunity from an election, so I don't think the odds of him going through with it are all that low.

Unrelatedly, the nazi that killed Heather Heyer in Charlottesville was declared guilty with the jury recommending life in prison + 419 years:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1072542894421143559
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Send in the dancing lobsters.
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https://twitter.com/EvanPhD/status/1072550384831471616
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