Poll of the Day > once you hit 65 years of age you should he required to take the road test again

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adjl posted...

People have rather latched onto the propaganda from the oil and automotive industries, yes.

Link doesn't understand how much propaganda has created public opinion.
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adjl posted...

it is. Where so many of Europe's cities predate the commercial availability of the automobile, pro-car attitudes aren't nearly as pervasive over there. Most of North America's growth has happened since then, though, which means cities have been designed around the car, and propaganda campaigns that tout car ownership as a prerequisite for independence managed to take root pretty easily.

Thanks wiki. Although it does actually make sense. For a person like myself it's rather pointless having my own for of transport. You certainly don't get ridiculed for using public transport/walking too.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

adjl posted...

People have rather latched onto the propaganda from the oil and automotive industries, yes.

Link doesn't understand how much propaganda has created public opinion.

Oh, Sunny. Please stop acting like you know anything about me... mainly because you dont. Thanks in advance.
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LinkPizza posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

adjl posted...

People have rather latched onto the propaganda from the oil and automotive industries, yes.

Link doesn't understand how much propaganda has created public opinion.

Oh, Sunny. Please stop acting like you know anything about me... mainly because you dont. Thanks in advance.

Well, it's obvious you don't since you sound like a commercial 99% of the time...
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Well, it's obvious you don't since you sound like a commercial 99% of the time...

I'm happy that I'm not the only one who sees that. Him and wolfy are pretty weird and started posting around the same time.
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Judgmenl posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Well, it's obvious you don't since you sound like a commercial 99% of the time...

I'm happy that I'm not the only one who sees that. Him and wolfy are pretty weird and started posting around the same time.

They're the same person as Mead who is also Erik P and Ziggi

Chewster posted...

Judgmenl posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Well, it's obvious you don't since you sound like a commercial 99% of the time...

I'm happy that I'm not the only one who sees that. Him and wolfy are pretty weird and started posting around the same time.

They're the same person as Mead who is also Erik P and Ziggi

No someone already said who mead was. I read threads.
Clearly not everyone can be Ziggy.
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LinkPizza posted...

Oh, Sunny. Please stop acting like you know anything about me... mainly because you dont. Thanks in advance.

You know some posters you just don't take seriously and Sunny is one of those posters. Not that you don't already know that.

Judgmenl posted...

I'm happy that I'm not the only one who sees that. Him and wolfy are pretty weird and started posting around the same time.

All I see is two posters that are generally positive and two that and miserable as fuck. Oh and one that's just fucking hilarious.
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Judgmenl posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Well, it's obvious you don't since you sound like a commercial 99% of the time...

I'm happy that I'm not the only one who sees that. Him and wolfy are pretty weird and started posting around the same time.

Im glad you two agree. But I have no idea what the fuck that even means. But whatever. Either way, neither of you seem to know much about me.
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You forgot to end your post with ellipses.
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LinkPizza posted...

Im glad you two agree. But I have no idea what the fuck that even means. But whatever. Either way, neither of you seem to know much about me.

Hmmm.
You live in the South-Eastern United States, and possibly have a military background. I don't pick up information about anyone on here, except a few people who have been on here as long as or longer than I have been.
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But I digress, you are probably an artificial persona, as many people online are these days.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

You forgot to end your post with ellipses.

I dont End every post with ellipses. Just most.

Judgmenl posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Im glad you two agree. But I have no idea what the fuck that even means. But whatever. Either way, neither of you seem to know much about me.

Hmmm.
You live in the South-Eastern United States, and possibly have a military background. I don't pick up information about anyone on here, except a few people who have been on here as long as or longer than I have been.

I was born on the east coast. Northern part. And live currently live in the south, but Texas...
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Judgmenl posted...

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Cleaned your dog shit stained floors yet?
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wwinterj25 posted...

Judgmenl posted...

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Cleaned your dog shit stained floors yet?

Is this bait?
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Judgmenl posted...

Is this bait?

It's a question.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Is this bait?

It's a question.

I did shortly after I made that post.
That post was like 2 years ago.
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Judgmenl posted...

I did shortly after I made that post.

Good as that was disgusting man.

Judgmenl posted...

That post was like 2 years ago.

Time sure goes fast.
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Judgmenl posted...

That post was like 2 years ago.

Winter's days are so mundane 1 year feels like a few months.
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If I had the picture still on my phone I'd tell you when I took it but it was at least a year ago. I might have posted it on discord if I can find the time.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Winter's days are so mundane 1 year feels like a few months.

Not sure about that but I do feel like I'm losing brain cells everytime I read your posts. Fuck knows how you even got a wife. She has my sympathy.
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Yes it was on 5/21/2017 so a year and a half ago.
I have cleaned my floor several times since then but it hasn't been nearly as bad as that time. That's what happens when you negletct your shit.
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Judgmenl posted...

Yes it was on 5/21/2017 so a year and a half ago.

Interesting. I just remember seeing it.

Judgmenl posted...

I have cleaned my floor several times since then but it hasn't been nearly as bad as that time. That's what happens when you negletct your shit.

That's good I guess. I suppose you're growing.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Fuck knows how you even got a wife.

Because I'm a better fucking mate than you.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Because I'm a better fucking mate than you.

I'd love to know how you work that out. I mean I've never had mates or a GF for that matter(that counts) so not even I know how I'll be as any of those. I just assumed you're both more desperate than I am.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Fuck knows how you even got a wife. She has my sympathy.

She's from Russia.
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Revelation34 posted...

She's from Russia.

Probably cost a bit too.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Yes it was on 5/21/2017 so a year and a half ago.

Interesting. I just remember seeing it.

wwinterj25 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I haven't worked there in almost a year

Huh. Could have sworn you was going on about working there a few months ago.

My point is made. Thanks winter.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Winter's days are so mundane 1 year feels like a few months.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

My point is made. Thanks winter.

Yes because I must recall every exact date of shitposts on the internet.... literally. You really are a twit.
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Keep in mind I didn't post here during a lot of this year.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I mean I've never had mates or a GF for that matter(that counts) so not even I know how I'll be as any of those.

Yes and I have many great friends and a bunch of gfs before getting married. All those reasons you think I shouldn't have any of that are the reasons I do.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

All those reasons you think I shouldn't have any of that are the reasons I do.

Obese? Elitist? Unattractive? Twit?
Huh. Guess I'm doing it wrong. Mind you judging by what you have pulled maybe not.

Edit: Anyway again I see your trying to make yet another topic about you so I'll ignore your shitposts yet again.
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BlazeAndBlade posted...

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Love this song. Also some sort of retest should be a thing
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Having a vehicle of your own gives you more freedom to decide where to go and when to go there. And that's all I have to say on this subject for now
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Johnny Eagle posted...

Having a vehicle of your own gives you more freedom to decide where to go and when to go there. And that's all I have to say on this subject for now

Does it really though?
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Johnny Eagle posted...

Having a vehicle of your own gives you more freedom to decide where to go and when to go there. And that's all I have to say on this subject for now

Try driving 2 miles in NYC. Walking is faster.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Johnny Eagle posted...

Having a vehicle of your own gives you more freedom to decide where to go and when to go there. And that's all I have to say on this subject for now

Try driving 2 miles in NYC. Walking is faster.

Sure. In New York. But most places arent New York. Or have traffic like it...
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LinkPizza posted...

Or have traffic like it...

I grew up in SD, CA. Even 25 years ago, 5 lane freeways, on both sides would be filled during rush hours. LA is just as bad. And these are cities designed for cars.

New York is bad because it was never designed for cars to begin with. The West coast is bad because there are too many cars going to the same area. Too many single passenger vehicles, not enough buses or other public transportation and travel distances to far away from home to work.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Or have traffic like it...

I grew up in SD, CA. Even 25 years ago, 5 lane freeways, on both sides would be filled during rush hours. LA is just as bad. And these are cities designed for cars.

New York is bad because it was never designed for cars to begin with. The West coast is bad because there are too many cars going to the same area. Too many single passenger vehicles, not enough buses or other public transportation and travel distances to far away from home to work.

Would public transportation make it better? Because I feel like all those people would still need to get to the same place. Meaning either a bunch of people were going to be late. Or the roads will still be filled. But with public transportation vehicles instead of personal ones. At least based on how the cities are now. If they were able to change that and make a faster mode of public transportation, that might work.
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LinkPizza posted...

Or the roads will still be filled. But with public transportation vehicles instead of personal ones. At least based on how the cities are now. If they were able to change that and make a faster mode of public transportation, that might work.

1 bus holds more people than 3 SUVs.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Or the roads will still be filled. But with public transportation vehicles instead of personal ones. At least based on how the cities are now. If they were able to change that and make a faster mode of public transportation, that might work.

1 bus holds more people than 3 SUVs.

It does. You are correct about that.
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Bah, if you used a rail system and bus system for 90% of traveling, there would be no rush hour traffic and you would get everywhere faster. No need to look around for parking spaces etc.

1 bus can have 50-100 people on it. It's about the size of 2 cars (since they need space between them) which usually would have 1 or possibly 2 people in it.

You could have enough buses going around for people to catch them every 2 minutes but it would be better to have express buses etc that don't stop between point A and B as well as normal buses that do.

So if you need to get to the other side of town, you can take a bus that goes straight there. You can even do so and then take another buss that leaves from there and goes 8 blocks away (but stops at many points). This could save you like 15-20 minutes travel and you would basically get there as fast as driving.

And thats without even factoring in train/light rail etc systems as well.

Honestly you could easily set up a system for any city that would enable people to get from point A to point B about as fast as driving, without needing a car at all. Short trips would use the bus that stops every block or two, long trips would use an express bus and possibly a transfer to a slow one. Really long trips would use a light rail system to a bus.

All public transportation would be so cheap everyone would just buy passes. A full pass (any bus/light rail etc) would be something like $40 a month. Way cheaper then gas, insurance, registration, repairs, parking etc.

And if everyone was using it, it would be more then enough to keep the system going. Each bus/train would carry a few thousand people a day easily, which means at 40$ a month, that is a few thousand dollars per month profit (even after gas/wages/repairs).

And that doesn't even start to touch on other forms of transportation like bicycles/scooters and the possibility of adding those to the pass as well (bikes available for people to use, and drop of at another station all over, and scooters as well, with the same setup).

There is absolutely no reason to have the system we do now.
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wolfy42 posted...

There is absolutely no reason to have the system we do now.

That's because many of the current systems: transportation, education, healthcare, etc., aren't designed for efficiency and efficacy, they are designed to generate wealth, a wealth yielded by very few while the majority do all the work, with many struggling to get by.
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wolfy42 posted...

1 bus can have 50-100 people on it. It's about the size of 2 cars (since they need space between them) which usually would have 1 or possibly 2 people in it.

That depends on what kind of bus you have. The ones in my city hold 31. The newer ones hold 32-33. But those number are in only ambulatory people got on...

wolfy42 posted...

You could have enough buses going around for people to catch them every 2 minutes but it would be better to have express buses etc that don't stop between point A and B as well as normal buses that do.

That would take A LOT of buses. Also, in most places, I dont think they are suppose to stop at places that arent bus stops. It has to mostly do with them possibly getting hurt or something. It was a rule made by the transit system we work for... Like the big place that owns the bus station...

wolfy42 posted...

So if you need to get to the other side of town, you can take a bus that goes straight there. You can even do so and then take another buss that leaves from there and goes 8 blocks away (but stops at many points). This could save you like 15-20 minutes travel and you would basically get there as fast as driving.

Most would actually go around a certain area. And then have a central point for all buses to go back to. So, going across town would normally have you riding the bus back to the central point, then transferring... It would probably be a little slower, though it depends...

wolfy42 posted...

There is absolutely no reason to have the system we do now.

The problem would most likely be getting people to want to do that. And the money to get it started. Especially everywhere...
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wolfy42 posted...

Bah, if you used a rail system and bus system for 90% of traveling, there would be no rush hour traffic and you would get everywhere faster. No need to look around for parking spaces etc.

1 bus can have 50-100 people on it. It's about the size of 2 cars (since they need space between them) which usually would have 1 or possibly 2 people in it.

You could have enough buses going around for people to catch them every 2 minutes but it would be better to have express buses etc that don't stop between point A and B as well as normal buses that do.

So if you need to get to the other side of town, you can take a bus that goes straight there. You can even do so and then take another buss that leaves from there and goes 8 blocks away (but stops at many points). This could save you like 15-20 minutes travel and you would basically get there as fast as driving.

And thats without even factoring in train/light rail etc systems as well.

Honestly you could easily set up a system for any city that would enable people to get from point A to point B about as fast as driving, without needing a car at all. Short trips would use the bus that stops every block or two, long trips would use an express bus and possibly a transfer to a slow one. Really long trips would use a light rail system to a bus.

All public transportation would be so cheap everyone would just buy passes. A full pass (any bus/light rail etc) would be something like $40 a month. Way cheaper then gas, insurance, registration, repairs, parking etc.

And if everyone was using it, it would be more then enough to keep the system going. Each bus/train would carry a few thousand people a day easily, which means at 40$ a month, that is a few thousand dollars per month profit (even after gas/wages/repairs).

And that doesn't even start to touch on other forms of transportation like bicycles/scooters and the possibility of adding those to the pass as well (bikes available for people to use, and drop of at another station all over, and scooters as well, with the same setup).

There is absolutely no reason to have the system we do now.

Not true at all. There are bad bus drivers or maintenance issues. Even the trains can fuck up. Also the passes would be much more since they'd be able to get away with it. Also even if you use a system like that a shitload of bus stops are not even close to homes. You would still need a car to get there.
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Revelation34 posted...

Not true at all. There are bad bus drivers or maintenance issues. Even the trains can fuck up. Also the passes would be much more since they'd be able to get away with it. Also even if you use a system like that a shitload of bus stops are not even close to homes. You would still need a car to get there.

Maybe. I know the passes for a month currently cost that much at my job. Though they may up the price since it would be the main form of transportation. As for the bus stops, they can be close to home. But tlnot close to everyones house. They would probably have to walk there. But stuff like that does change based on where you are...
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wwinterj25 posted...

For a person like myself it's rather pointless having my own for of transport.

Again, that's because you live somewhere that wasn't designed around having a car. European cities don't have the same degree of urban sprawl that most North American cities do because it's cars that enable that sprawl. New York is a notable exception because the islandy nature of Manhattan meant the city's core grew to be extremely dense, rather than sprawling. If everyone in Manhattan drove, nobody could ever get anywhere, so effective public transportation exists.

LinkPizza posted...

That depends on what kind of bus you have. The ones in my city hold 31. The newer ones hold 32-33. But those number are in only ambulatory people got on...

So long as there are more than 2-3 people on the bus, it's still going to be an improvement over having them all in their own cars. Here's a gif that illustrates just how inefficient cars are: https://imgur.com/gallery/sCvRIEd

That's more than a little idealized, since it assumes that every one of those drivers/passengers would be on the same bus/train, but the fact of the matter is that car traffic takes up an absolutely massive amount of space compared to the alternatives. So many more people could be moved around cities if public transit and active transportation options were made more viable, rather than continuing to rely on cars and develop cities accordingly.

LinkPizza posted...

The problem would most likely be getting people to want to do that. And the money to get it started. Especially everywhere...

Yeah, public transit falls prey to a vicious cycle: It sucks, so people don't use it, so the demand isn't there to justify further investment/provide capital, so it keeps sucking. It's one of those problems where the only way to solve it would be a massive, up-front investment to make a really good system in the hopes that people would use it. Of course, there's also the option of adopting a congestion charge like London does to discourage people from driving in areas where transit is a viable option, helping to offset that investment while also ensuring the investment will be more worthwhile, but that's not going to be an easy thing to get past the voter base.

Revelation34 posted...

Also the passes would be much more since they'd be able to get away with it.

Not necessarily. If the majority of a city's occupants rely on public transit, reducing the cost of transit passes is an absolutely fantastic platform for a mayoral candidate to run on. Provided the city has some control over that, rather than outsourcing it entirely to a private company that would only adjust prices if competition existed, prices could be kept reasonable.

Alternatively, contract two or more companies to do it so they end up competing with each other. Public transit isn't necessarily a natural monopoly, so provided appropriate anti-collusion measures are in place to prevent the sort of oligopoly situation we currently see with telecoms, it could work.

Revelation34 posted...

Also even if you use a system like that a s***load of bus stops are not even close to homes. You would still need a car to get there.

Realistically, a 5-minute walk to get to the nearest stop is a reasonable standard, especially if you've got a system with buses that show up frequently and reliably (so you don't need to be there 20 minutes early to ensure you'll catch one that won't show up again for half an hour +/- 20 minutes). When that isn't feasible, there's always the option of park-and-ride stops with express buses for suburbs.Those are an easy option that would make a huge difference without much investment, but for whatever reason aren't nearly common enough.
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The age to drive should be 18 not 16!

adjl posted...

So long as there are more than 2-3 people on the bus, it's still going to be an improvement over having them all in their own cars. Here's a gif that illustrates just how inefficient cars are: https://imgur.com/gallery/sCvRIEd

That's more than a little idealized, since it assumes that every one of those drivers/passengers would be on the same bus/train, but the fact of the matter is that car traffic takes up an absolutely massive amount of space compared to the alternatives. So many more people could be moved around cities if public transit and active transportation options were made more viable, rather than continuing to rely on cars and develop cities accordingly.

That brings up different issue. In my town, that amount of people would completely fill 6 buses, and about half of a 7th. If that many people were going in that direction at the time, you would definitely need a lot of buses for that. And I know where I live, it's only one bus per hour. Which is why I said it would cost a lot. To have even twice as many buses coming than what we already have would cost double the amount at least. It can clear the roads at least a little. I won't argue there. But it's also about getting enough vehicles in public transport to be able to do it. And to get them there at a good time. Sometimes, people don't use public transport because of the times. Like they would either get somewhere too early or too late. I would say changing the cities could work. But most cities don't have money like that. Ours in struggling to get the roads fixed. Not to mention we have like storm drains.

adjl posted...

Yeah, public transit falls prey to a vicious cycle: It sucks, so people don't use it, so the demand isn't there to justify further investment/provide capital, so it keeps sucking. It's one of those problems where the only way to solve it would be a massive, up-front investment to make a really good system in the hopes that people would use it. Of course, there's also the option of adopting a congestion charge like London does to discourage people from driving in areas where transit is a viable option, helping to offset that investment while also ensuring the investment will be more worthwhile, but that's not going to be an easy thing to get past the voter base.

It would take way more money than we could come up with. And then it would take many years for even part of it to be useful to anyone. The cost or changing a city would cost a crazy amount. Depending on what kind of transportation you would like to use could also up the cost. Buses are good. But you would need a lot to have them come constantly. Anything than runs on rails would require you to add the rails all over. And then you have to make good routes. And probably have to add a station for each of these. Making routes doesn't seem hard but can be depending on how much money, vehicles, and time you have to work with. And you would need a station because you usually don't have one bus going around the whole city. The route would be too long and wouldn't get people to the places they need to go in a timely manner.

Then you have the people that need to travel farther. People who commute out of the state to work everyday. Most public transport would probably be for around the city first, then around the state, then from one state to another. I know we have ways to travel from one state to another already. But not for someone commuting everyday. Where driving is much cheaper, faster, and more efficient...

I like the idea of being able to help make things better. I don't like having to rely on public transport, especially in the state that it's in now. I don't like having to do things I need to do on the time of someone else. I wouldn't like to not get to work on time because there isn't enough space on the bus. Or be able to take care of my errands because I have to wait for public transport.
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LinkPizza posted...

In my town, that amount of people would completely fill 6 buses, and about half of a 7th. If that many people were going in that direction at the time, you would definitely need a lot of buses for that. And I know where I live, it's only one bus per hour.

Yeah, that would have to change. Note that those people can come from any number of places, so that could actually be 6 or 7 routes that converged on that one road, but if everyone was taking the bus, there would indeed need to be a bus more often than once every hour.

LinkPizza posted...

Sometimes, people don't use public transport because of the times. Like they would either get somewhere too early or too late.

That's another issue that would be solved with more frequent buses. You're always going to get spikes in ridership for buses that arrive at ~10-15 minutes to the hour, since those are typically ideal for people to arrive and start work on the hour, but if you've got buses running every 10 minutes, those who can be a bit earlier or later have that option. I have also seen routes run two buses at once at particularly busy times (like when school lets out).

LinkPizza posted...

Then you have the people that need to travel farther. People who commute out of the state to work everyday. Most public transport would probably be for around the city first,

Again, that's an issue that would be solved by park and rides. People drive in, park at a terminal, and an express bus carries them directly into another terminal in the city, from which they can catch other buses (or bike or walk to their final destination, ideally, but there aren't going to be that many terminals for express buses).

LinkPizza posted...

I don't like having to rely on public transport, especially in the state that it's in now.

And that's fair. In many places, the current state sucks. There was an article a couple years ago saying that people in my hometown were being turned down for jobs because they would be commuting by bus, because it was just that unreliable. It works in some cities, but for others, it's dismal.
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