Current Events > Should homeschooling be illegal?

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

I think most people are genuinely decent at heart.

I meant more so, stuff they deal with. Not who they are.

I also hide it when I feel lile shit. I usually just stay home and reconnect with people when I can play happy again. Now Im not faking happy anymore tho

Everyone has their own demons honestly.
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If the homeschooling program is properly accredited by the education board and the child is also participating in extracurricular programs at a local school, then I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.
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_Lyonidias posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

I think most people are genuinely decent at heart.

I meant more so, stuff they deal with. Not who they are.

I also hide it when I feel lile shit. I usually just stay home and reconnect with people when I can play happy again. Now Im not faking happy anymore tho

Everyone has their own demons honestly.

Yup. Just gotta act like who you wanna be until you become it.
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_Lyonidias posted...

Neither of my parents had college degrees and were highly incompetent.

I wouldn't call my parents incompetent but both of their degrees were highly specialized and not received until I had already begun public school.
I feel like I would at least be competent since I taught entry level Computer Science, Mathematics, and Physics courses at a former employment.
No all I need to do is find a mate ;)
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Yeah, true. Youd be more competent given teaching experience.
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_Lyonidias posted...

I was homeschooled K-12 and I think that if it is to remain a legal option for education, then there needs to be heavier regulation and requirements on both curricula and parents.

I don't generally like the idea, but I don't think it should be illegal... this sums up my view pretty well. For whatever reason, I know a lot of people who were homeschooled, and people who are currently homeschooling their children, and really its all over the map. While I don't really see many circumstances where I would consider it the best option, some people seem to do a pretty good job with it. Actually making sure their kid is learning, etc, and getting them involved with team sports which you can enroll in your local public school if you're homeschooled, and homeschool co-op things, and whatever stuff like that, so they're getting a fair amount of social interaction with their peers and actually learning. But then I've also seen homeschooling that is just playing video games all day and mom forging a test once a year or whatever to prove they learned something. Or daily "field trips" to the park to study "earth science" or something.

Honestly though I hate the school district I live in, its definitely not my first option but man I really hope I can send my daughter to the next school over or afford private school. >_>
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Yeah I know a lot of public schools are a crapshoot, unfortunately. I do know it still needs to be an option to homeschool (especially if the child has special needs that cannot be adequately accommodated), but yeah it is all over the map. Fingers crossed that youre able to get your kiddo into a decent school tho
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remain legal but students should be held to same standards as public school students WRT curriculum and test(s)
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

remain legal but students should be held to same standards as public school students WRT curriculum and test(s)

To avoid forging perhaps online proctors could be used in that case.
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I'm on the fence about it. On one hand, bullies litter our schools, so I can understand why a parent would want to keep their child safe from that. And then the fear of school shootings, but one can't live in fear of every possible unfortunate event. On the other hand, socialization...

However, I have heard rumors that their have been great strides in that area. That home school kids get opportunity to interact with other kids on field trips and such.

Not sure how true that is.
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Almost every home schooled person I've ever met has been one of the weirdest, least well-adjust people I've ever met. A lot of them were good people and bright.

But holy shit they were terrible at interacting with other people. It's hard for me to say it should be illegal, but i don't really respect people who choose to home school their children.
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awesome999 posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

there needs to be heavier regulation and requirements on both curricula and parents.

That

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Drpooplol posted...

Almost every home schooled person I've ever met has been one of the weirdest, least well-adjust people I've ever met. A lot of them were good people and bright.

But holy shit they were terrible at interacting with other people. It's hard for me to say it should be illegal, but i don't really respect people who choose to home school their children.

Yeah ngl nursing is very difficult for me sometimes because of being kinda awkward. Thats improving somewhat, thank god.

My cousins were all homeschooled and most of them are incredibly extroverted and social. They had more involvement with social groups tho. Theyre shitty people, however.
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I wish you the best of luck in your personal and professional development, tc
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_Lyonidias posted...

I was homeschooled K-12

Yikes. Sorry to hear that :(
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a kid should learn socialization at early age until at least he/she is 13 years old. But i feel like at that point, you already know basics of social skills and can do homeschooling until you get into college.

One of my biggest regret is i spent too much time playing and fucking around during my highschool, so i failed to get accepted into my targeted university. Which is why i hope homeschooling should be a good option to focus on your study

LimboTraveller posted...

a kid should learn socialization at early age until at least he/she is 13 years old. But i feel like at that point, you already know basics of social skills and can do homeschooling until you get into college.

One of my biggest regret is i spent too much time playing and fucking around during my highschool, so i failed to get accepted into my targeted university. Which is why i hope homeschooling should be a good option to focus on your study

See my thing with that is that HS subjects require a greater depth of knowledge than many parents have. Additionally, many students miss out on opportunities that look good when applying to colleges such as extracurriculars and AP classes.
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_Lyonidias posted...

LimboTraveller posted...

a kid should learn socialization at early age until at least he/she is 13 years old. But i feel like at that point, you already know basics of social skills and can do homeschooling until you get into college.

One of my biggest regret is i spent too much time playing and fucking around during my highschool, so i failed to get accepted into my targeted university. Which is why i hope homeschooling should be a good option to focus on your study

See my thing with that is that HS subjects require a greater depth of knowledge than many parents have. Additionally, many students miss out on opportunities that look good when applying to colleges such as extracurriculars and AP classes.

lol i learnt highschool subjects all by myself. There are various learning resources nowadays.

The college materials, however, require experts like professors which is why i think online degrees are useless

i only think homeschooling is appropriate if the parents have some kind of certification or something like that to teach. definitely dont agree with parents that use it to shield their kids from the real world or to push an agenda like religious extremism
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I mean, I was schooled in the system and I still turned out awkward and introverted af /shrug
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Never claimed that public schools were a cure all for awkwardness.
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Drpooplol posted...

A lot of them were good people and bright.

But holy shit they were terrible at interacting with other people. It's hard for me to say it should be illegal, but i don't really respect people who choose to home school their children.

This sums up my opinion.

Wasup Dr, how are you man?
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No, but
_Lyonidias posted...

there needs to be heavier regulation and requirements on both curricula and parents.

I've seen how bad it can be, like the time I met my illiterate 14 y/o cousin who was "homeschooled". I was also pretty sure his stepdad was some sort of white nationalist (this was up in northern Idaho).
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LimboTraveller posted...

a kid should learn socialization at early age until at least he/she is 13 years old. But i feel like at that point, you already know basics of social skills and can do homeschooling until you get into college.

I can agree with that, there wasn't a whole lot of bullying/social stigma going on until that age but the kids at least knew how to interact with one another and adults well-enough.
Heck, my brother left high school at the age of 16 or so to take basic college courses online from home and he remains way more social than I am to this day.
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A friend of mine homeschooled all four of her children. Both her parents were teachers. From what I've seen of her kids, I think it was largely a success. They have a good foundation of skills and knowledge, and they still behave like kids, at the end of the day. They're not like weird shut-ins. They all have friends and social lives.

My friend is very controlling, and while she's pleasant enough to be around, you'd know how controlling she is if you spent a few minutes with her. Still, I'd say I have no issue with her schooling her kids if she got good results out of it.

The problem, of course, is that you've got no evaluation or checkup on that in a general sense.
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There was a large contingent of home-schooled and co-opped kids where I grew up. Total mixed bag. One of my friend's wife was homeschooled, she probably couldn't read a Nancy Drew book without really struggling through it and can't do mental multiplication, then I also know a guy that is a nuclear technician and super sociable that was home schooled.

Small private religious schools are just as bad as homeschooling from what I've seen. Talking ones with like 5-20 students.
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KILBOTz posted...

Small private religious schools are just as bad as homeschooling from what I've seen. Talking ones with like 5-20 students.

Heck, I identify as a Christian but I'm also very much against those type of institutions.
There was one near where I grew up and the kids I knew from there were weird AF. One of them I know personally and he's a very unhappy person who refuses to hold a job, collects ridiculous amounts of guns/accessories, and does drugs to pass the time.
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_Lyonidias posted...

Never claimed that public schools were a cure all for awkwardness.

Huh, so you didn't

Apologies
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@MACisBack posted...

Drpooplol posted...

A lot of them were good people and bright.

But holy shit they were terrible at interacting with other people. It's hard for me to say it should be illegal, but i don't really respect people who choose to home school their children.

This sums up my opinion.

Wasup Dr, how are you man?

Doing well career wise and socially. I was seeing a girl for a few weeks and we really dug each other until an ex came back into her life, and she decided to get back with him. We weren't seeing each other too long, but it was intense and i liked her. Oh well I'll be good. Thanks for asking, how have you been? We haven't talked much since the collapse of the Sanctuary, haha.
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Public Schools: If you ain't tough, you damn sure better be funny
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I cant see any legitimate reason to do so. If you dont want your kid to be distracted by the other 49 kids in the classroom and want their kids to have to have a chance to ask questions and stuff. The public school system is often times not safe. Thats why there are metal detectors and on-campus police officers.

If you work hard and save your money, its your right to make sure your kid gets the best education available to you. When it takes a half hour for the teacher to establish classroom control, many parents look for another option.
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@Drpooplol

Life's been good so I can't complain. My wife and I are doing well, she is getting her citizenship Thursday so I'm taking the day off for that so we can do a celebration luncheon after the ceremony. Been playing a few games, still writing but no stories(more like random ideas about life in general), and still working out.

That's a bummer about that girl, and yeah since the Sanctuary went boom, I kind of had a falling out too where I realized I needed to pull away from the site to get my shit together. It wasn't because of what happened and all, but what I realized I was doing in the topics I was posting.

Anyway, its good to see a few members still floating around, and doing well.
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AltOmega posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Small private religious schools are just as bad as homeschooling from what I've seen. Talking ones with like 5-20 students.

Heck, I identify as a Christian but I'm also very much against those type of institutions.
There was one near where I grew up and the kids I knew from there were weird AF. One of them I know personally and he's a very unhappy person who refuses to hold a job, collects ridiculous amounts of guns/accessories, and does drugs to pass the time.

I would assume that's more the exception than the rule, maybe? I dunno, we have a couple weird tiny ones were literally the entire k-12 could fit in one or two rooms, but I went to one that was obviously small compared to public, but had 30 kids per class I think? I dunno, I thought it was a pretty good experience. But then you'll get some Christian private schools that are probably all about weird indoctrination and ones like mine where it was pretty normal except you had "chapel" once a week and maybe 2 or 3 teachers said a quick prayer at the beginning of the class. And I think we took a couple days to go over creationism theories in science class before going on to what you actually would need to know for college.
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The Top Crusader posted...

AltOmega posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Small private religious schools are just as bad as homeschooling from what I've seen. Talking ones with like 5-20 students.

Heck, I identify as a Christian but I'm also very much against those type of institutions.
There was one near where I grew up and the kids I knew from there were weird AF. One of them I know personally and he's a very unhappy person who refuses to hold a job, collects ridiculous amounts of guns/accessories, and does drugs to pass the time.

I would assume that's more the exception than the rule, maybe? I dunno, we have a couple weird tiny ones were literally the entire k-12 could fit in one or two rooms, but I went to one that was obviously small compared to public, but had 30 kids per class I think? I dunno, I thought it was a pretty good experience. But then you'll get some Christian private schools that are probably all about weird indoctrination and ones like mine where it was pretty normal except you had "chapel" once a week and maybe 2 or 3 teachers said a quick prayer at the beginning of the class. And I think we took a couple days to go over creationism theories in science class before going on to what you actually would need to know for college.

you probably went to a normal enough school. any of the Christian schools that are decently large seem to result in normal kids. I'm really only talking about those single class room private schools where you have like k-12 in a single class and a teacher who has no idea what they are doing.
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KILBOTz posted...

The Top Crusader posted...

AltOmega posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Small private religious schools are just as bad as homeschooling from what I've seen. Talking ones with like 5-20 students.

Heck, I identify as a Christian but I'm also very much against those type of institutions.
There was one near where I grew up and the kids I knew from there were weird AF. One of them I know personally and he's a very unhappy person who refuses to hold a job, collects ridiculous amounts of guns/accessories, and does drugs to pass the time.

I would assume that's more the exception than the rule, maybe? I dunno, we have a couple weird tiny ones were literally the entire k-12 could fit in one or two rooms, but I went to one that was obviously small compared to public, but had 30 kids per class I think? I dunno, I thought it was a pretty good experience. But then you'll get some Christian private schools that are probably all about weird indoctrination and ones like mine where it was pretty normal except you had "chapel" once a week and maybe 2 or 3 teachers said a quick prayer at the beginning of the class. And I think we took a couple days to go over creationism theories in science class before going on to what you actually would need to know for college.

you probably went to a normal enough school. any of the Christian schools that are decently large seem to result in normal kids. I'm really only talking about those single class room private schools where you have like k-12 in a single class and a teacher who has no idea what they are doing.

Ha. Yeah a couple of my friends started there and ended up transferring to my school at some point, horror stories!
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No, I actually find the antipathy that many liberals have towards homeschooling to be pretty odd
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idk what kind of schools you guys went to but i went to a public school that was great academically and the environment was great too. my high school years were a lot of fun and the school generally did a great job
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Balrog0 posted...

No, I actually find the antipathy that many liberals have towards homeschooling to be pretty odd

i just think parents that choose to homeschool should have to get some kind of certification or some kind of qualification
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andel posted...

Balrog0 posted...

No, I actually find the antipathy that many liberals have towards homeschooling to be pretty odd

i just think parents that choose to homeschool should have to get some kind of certification or some kind of qualification

Good idea.

If you cant pass the GED test you cant homeschool your kids.

^^
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Flockaveli posted...

Everyone Ive met who was homeschooled hated it and their parents.

Well you've met another one :(

Goddamnit I wish it was illegal, my lifes pretty much fucked and I hope my mom gets cancer.
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JimCarrysToe posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Everyone Ive met who was homeschooled hated it and their parents.

Well you've met another one :(

Goddamnit I wish it was illegal, my lifes pretty much fucked and I hope my mom gets cancer.

Does she smoke? That might be something you don't even have to wish for! Tho my mother smokes and she still doesn't have cancer or anything (that we know of; she refuses any and all medical care and hates doctors and nurses lmao)

I can't stand my parents either, especially my mother (but also my father for being a fucking doormat and letting this all happen). You aren't alone.
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Balrog0 posted...

No, I actually find the antipathy that many liberals have towards homeschooling to be pretty odd

Doing it your damn self runs counter to liberal ideals.

_Lyonidias posted...

JimCarrysToe posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Everyone Ive met who was homeschooled hated it and their parents.

Well you've met another one :(

Goddamnit I wish it was illegal, my lifes pretty much fucked and I hope my mom gets cancer.

Does she smoke? That might be something you don't even have to wish for! Tho my mother smokes and she still doesn't have cancer or anything (that we know of; she refuses any and all medical care and hates doctors and nurses lmao)

I can't stand my parents either, especially my mother (but also my father for being a fucking doormat and letting this all happen). You aren't alone.

She used too lol. Idk my dad but apparently he tried to poison her coffee once but she happened to see it, still wonder if things would've been better if she left me with him, all she fucking does when she's not working is sit on her ass praying god makes things better.

I'm really happy for you for getting through that and getting a job and.... getting your own place? Not sure if I've seen you say that but I'll assume you did if you hate your mom a lot lol, and its nice knowing I'm not the only girl here whos mom is crap, it almost gives me hope I could fix myself one day but I'm lucky I can read and do basic math. I've never gone to school and I've wanted to go since I was 13 but my mom just makes up excuses as to why she won't put me in, but I think its literally because she was too lazy to go through the process of putting me in one and she'd rather keep me in my room as her cute little helpless baby she can take care of forever.

Now I'm 21 and just doing absolutly nothing. I don't know what to do, and if I did I don't care enough to do anything and I'm terrified of the outside. Sometimes I'll fantasize about getting back at her by killing myself in the messiest way possible so she'll have to deal with cleaning a bunch of shit and paying for a funeral, but I don't have the guts to kill myself.
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This should never even be a poll.

It's so obvious that homeschooling should always remain legal. You're forced to hand your kid over to a government school otherwise.

I've been to public school. There really is a feeling of indoctrination.
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No, as long as their is an external way to prove that someone has a grasp on the curriculum. And there is.

Honestly, I think religious private schools are a bigger problem. You have students getting high school diplomas who have been taught that evolution doesn't exist.

idk about illegal, but I don't agree with it
I understand the issues people have with public schooling (or many of the other options), but I don't think it works out in most cases
you then also have to go out of your way to make sure they're socially adjusted. in high school we had a home schooled kid on the soccer team and he was cool, but none of us really clicked with him
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Yeah I still dont really click with people.
I think I actually might have underlying mental issues that contribute to that, though. Because there are homeschooled children who manage fine socially (and public/private schooled children who dont ).
Just dont think keeping your kids at home all day is a good idea. Good on that kids parents for at least trying to get him involved tho
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No. The state should not have that much power.