Current Events > Should homeschooling be illegal?

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Teach your kid at home and assimilate him or her with sports teams or something. I have honestly not seen one halfway decent argument for why it shouldnt be allowed.
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AssultTank posted...

I was homeschooled from 6th grade on. My parents went to the effort to actually teach me though, so I managed to get into a good college with scholarships.

Of course, they started homeschooling me after the school refused to do anything about the kids who literally held me down and beat me with a baseball bat (among other things) breaking my arm and cracking my skull. I got suspended for that incident because zero tolerance policy... And the school made me finish out the day before letting me go to the hospital. The judge threw out the lawsuit my parents filed because his kid was involved. The DA refused to press charges against the kids or the school because again, his kid was involved...

So yeah... I much prefer homeschooling to public school in an area with a corrupt government.

God thats fucking horrible. Its absolutely abhorrent and shameful that you didnt even get an inch of justice. :(
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AssultTank posted...

I was homeschooled from 6th grade on. My parents went to the effort to actually teach me though, so I managed to get into a good college with scholarships.

Of course, they started homeschooling me after the school refused to do anything about the kids who literally held me down and beat me with a baseball bat (among other things) breaking my arm and cracking my skull. I got suspended for that incident because zero tolerance policy... And the school made me finish out the day before letting me go to the hospital. The judge threw out the lawsuit my parents filed because his kid was involved. The DA refused to press charges against the kids or the school because again, his kid was involved...

So yeah... I much prefer homeschooling to public school in an area with a corrupt government.

Not sure why they would be handling the case, given it is blatantly clear there is a conflict of interest.
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AssultTank posted...

Small town, only one DA and one judge at the time. The area has grown a lot since, and the corrupt officials have gotten voted out, and arrested on various charges... <.<

I get a feeling that the lawyer your parents hired sucked too if they couldn't see it, but perhaps there were not too many practicing there given the small town nature.
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Given the way public education has been going, and the limitations of access to private education due to either price or location, absolutely not.
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AssultTank posted...

gwwak posted...

AssultTank posted...

I was homeschooled from 6th grade on. My parents went to the effort to actually teach me though, so I managed to get into a good college with scholarships.

Of course, they started homeschooling me after the school refused to do anything about the kids who literally held me down and beat me with a baseball bat (among other things) breaking my arm and cracking my skull. I got suspended for that incident because zero tolerance policy... And the school made me finish out the day before letting me go to the hospital. The judge threw out the lawsuit my parents filed because his kid was involved. The DA refused to press charges against the kids or the school because again, his kid was involved...

So yeah... I much prefer homeschooling to public school in an area with a corrupt government.

Not sure why they would be handling the case, given it is blatantly clear there is a conflict of interest.

Small town, only one DA and one judge at the time. The area has grown a lot since, and the corrupt officials have gotten voted out, and arrested on various charges... <.<

I wonder if you could go back now and sue some of the adults and the school?

Zero tolerance was a bad idea from the start.
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I wasnt in the public school system so Im not speaking from experience, but it seems to be the case that zero tolerance has inadvertently created more bullying. The road to hell I suppose.
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Zero tolerance is nice in theory, but the bullies are experienced and know how to hide it, whereas the victims are amateurs and get caught.

_Lyonidias posted...

I wasnt in the public school system so Im not speaking from experience, but it seems to be the case that zero tolerance has inadvertently created more bullying. The road to hell I suppose.

It punishes victims for standing up to themselves. When I was a kid, a bully would come crying to the teacher with a black eye and theyd tell him he got what he deserved and it usually didnt happen again.

Kicking a bullys ass is something that victims should be rightfully able to do.
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Illegal? No.

Should almost never be practiced? Yes.
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I have found that the best way to deal with a bully is to fight back. If you are going to go down, go down with a fight and take them with you.
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as with most things, sometimes exceptions need to be made. but the general rule is that all children should go to a real school.
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Public schools are good because they are closest to a real world experience. You are going to meet all kinds of people in life and having a sheltered upbringing isn't going to prepare you for real life.
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JimCarrysToe posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Everyone Ive met who was homeschooled hated it and their parents.

Well you've met another one :(

Goddamnit I wish it was illegal, my lifes pretty much fucked

My sentiments exactly.

I was home-schooled starting from the 3rd grade, and as a result I'm pretty much ruined academically and socially speaking. Even now I have to prepare for the possibility I'll end up homeless (again) because I'm just completely incapable of getting a job or passing college classes due to how stupid and useless I was raised to be.
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AssultTank posted...

I was homeschooled from 6th grade on. My parents went to the effort to actually teach me though, so I managed to get into a good college with scholarships.

Of course, they started homeschooling me after the school refused to do anything about the kids who literally held me down and beat me with a baseball bat (among other things) breaking my arm and cracking my skull. I got suspended for that incident because zero tolerance policy... And the school made me finish out the day before letting me go to the hospital. The judge threw out the lawsuit my parents filed because his kid was involved. The DA refused to press charges against the kids or the school because again, his kid was involved...

So yeah... I much prefer homeschooling to public school in an area with a corrupt government.

That is corrupt as fuck @AssultTank

What state do you live in?

If YOU had assaulted the kids the school would have not followed that same zero tolerance bullshit btw

SchoolForAnts posted...

andel posted...

Balrog0 posted...

No, I actually find the antipathy that many liberals have towards homeschooling to be pretty odd

i just think parents that choose to homeschool should have to get some kind of certification or some kind of qualification

Good idea.

If you cant pass the GED test you cant homeschool your kids.

yeah more oversight is fair, I just know a lot of people who seem to think the public school experience is like foundational to being part of society or something and as a product of public schools I find that position a hard one to take seriously

I don't even mean that as a knock on public schools either, you just see plenty of maladjusted folks who were educated either way
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gwwak posted...

Public schools are good because they are closest to a real world experience. You are going to meet all kinds of people in life and having a sheltered upbringing isn't going to prepare you for real life.

See I just don't think this is really true at all. I never interact with people who I don't know the way I had to in public schools. Again, I really didn't mind public school at all and I've never even been homeschooled but its just hard for me to draw much from the experience that is useful irl

Like what situations are you thinking about?
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homeschooling sounds like a great way for parents to indoctrinate their own political and religious beliefs onto their kids
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It shouldn't be illegal but it should be regulated. As someone who has never been homeschooled (nor have I known anyone else who has been) and has never researched into the topic, I can't really give any relevant points, but it should definitely have standards.
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ThyCorndog posted...

homeschooling sounds like a great way for parents to indoctrinate their own political and religious beliefs onto their kids

How is that any worse than the school board introducing their own biases by mandating which textbooks will be used in the classrooms? And parents passing on their worldview to their kids is going to happen regardless of the school unless the parents are completely hands-off with the child's education.
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Paragon21XX posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

homeschooling sounds like a great way for parents to indoctrinate their own political and religious beliefs onto their kids

How is that any worse than the school board introducing their own biases by mandating which textbooks will be used in the classrooms? And parents passing on their worldview to their kids is going to happen regardless of the school unless the parents are completely hands-off with the child's education.

i've never had a non-politics book ever talk about politics and i've never had a non-religion book talk about religion

i've gone to both a catholic school and a public school. in the catholic school they would bring up "but god" time to time and in the public school they just never talked about religion or politics outside of any neutral stance. if your parents are extremely partisan or fundamentalist, you're probably going to become just like them if they're in total control of your education
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ThyCorndog posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

homeschooling sounds like a great way for parents to indoctrinate their own political and religious beliefs onto their kids

How is that any worse than the school board introducing their own biases by mandating which textbooks will be used in the classrooms? And parents passing on their worldview to their kids is going to happen regardless of the school unless the parents are completely hands-off with the child's education.

i've never had a non-politics book ever talk about politics and i've never had a non-religion book talk about religion

i've gone to both a catholic school and a public school. in the catholic school they would bring up "but god" time to time and in the public school they just never talked about religion or politics outside of any neutral stance. if your parents are extremely partisan or fundamentalist, you're probably going to become just like them if they're in total control of your education

You missed it.
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I was homeschooled for over 5 years. My parents didn't educate me at all. My attempt at high school ended with a panic attack. I spent the majority of my 20s learning just how to socialize. I also have dyscalculia (math dyslexia).

Institutions aren't just for education, they're for socialization - a term that by definition, doesn't refer to talking to people, but how to function in society. Homeschooling either needs to be done away with, or enforce parents to incorporate tudors instead of themselves, and pushing outgoing behavior.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

My family is notorious for using Christian teaching materials that specifically target the homeschool market. I read through some of the science worksheets they have to fill out and the basic answer to most of the questions is God did it.

I remember the History textbooks vilifying the civil rights movement. It presented them as basically causing riots to get what they wanted, and the pictures all showed black people looking vicious, and white politicians who supported segregation looking composed and professional. No mention of water hoses and german shepherds.

My parents backed off from the material, not realising how fundamentalist and conservative homeshooling textbooks were.
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tru that
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AssultTank posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

AssultTank posted...

I was homeschooled from 6th grade on. My parents went to the effort to actually teach me though, so I managed to get into a good college with scholarships.

Of course, they started homeschooling me after the school refused to do anything about the kids who literally held me down and beat me with a baseball bat (among other things) breaking my arm and cracking my skull. I got suspended for that incident because zero tolerance policy... And the school made me finish out the day before letting me go to the hospital. The judge threw out the lawsuit my parents filed because his kid was involved. The DA refused to press charges against the kids or the school because again, his kid was involved...

So yeah... I much prefer homeschooling to public school in an area with a corrupt government.

That is corrupt as fuck @AssultTank

What state do you live in?

If YOU had assaulted the kids the school would have not followed that same zero tolerance bullshit btw

Georgia

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Sounds like a kid cant be raised in GA. I have heard so many stories!

Balrog0 posted...

See I just don't think this is really true at all. I never interact with people who I don't know the way I had to in public schools. Again, I really didn't mind public school at all and I've never even been homeschooled but its just hard for me to draw much from the experience that is useful irl

Like what situations are you thinking about?

For one thing public schools are bound to have assholes. Dealing with them is something you have to do in adult life. Another thing is that I know a few people that went to single gender private schools and it was a shock seeing the other gender when they hit college.
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gwwak posted...

For one thing public schools are bound to have assholes. Dealing with them is something you have to do in adult life.

I dunno, I'm having trouble figuring out the assholes that I deal with on a regular basis. The most likely people to be assholes to me are just randos on the street or in retail establishments, etc. in public places that you'd be exposed to anyway, basically

gwwak posted...

Another thing is that I know a few people that went to single gender private schools and it was a shock seeing the other gender when they hit college.

yeah I think that's worse than homeschooling and its legal which is actually one of the reasons I think homeschooling should be legal
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Balrog0 posted...

I dunno, I'm having trouble figuring out the a******s that I deal with on a regular basis. The most likely people to be a******s to me are just randos on the street or in retail establishments, etc. in public places that you'd be exposed to anyway, basically

Eh public schools are useful because they expose you to team work. You don't get that in home school. When you are at work you are bound to have team work and sometimes you have to learn to deal with slackers or try hards. Of course you can't pick your coworkers since they come from the public.

Balrog0 posted...

yeah I think that's worse than homeschooling and its legal which is actually one of the reasons I think homeschooling should be legal

Being so sheltered that you can't socialize with anyone is probably worse.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

I think that if it is to remain a legal option for education, then there needs to be heavier regulation and requirements on both curricula and parents.

AMEN. Ive seen five kids in my family homeschooled including my two nieces. In every instance its been a train wreck.

My family is notorious for using Christian teaching materials that specifically target the homeschool market. I read through some of the science worksheets they have to fill out and the basic answer to most of the questions is God did it.

You wonder how someone like Trump can get elected? Its partly because were raising a nation full of morons. Theres no real supervision over homeschoolers. Its basically just filling out worksheets. My cousin stopped doing all her stuff at like 14 and not a single person said a thing. Not even one phone call about her dropping out. The definition of homeschooling should be falling through the cracks.

I think its a state by state thing, so some states are stricter, but there should definitely be some mandated testing that the homeschooled kids have to go to every month or at least every quarter where its proctored by an actual professional and it can be determined if they are actually learning anything.

gwwak posted...

Public schools are good because they are closest to a real world experience. You are going to meet all kinds of people in life and having a sheltered upbringing isn't going to prepare you for real life.

Not just socialization, but I think actually going to school every day early in the morning is important to get someone used to working when they're an adult. I mean obviously there are a lot of different jobs and a lot of different shifts, but by and large people are going to have to get up early five days a week until they retire. I've seen some homeschool families that are all about, "Well little Billy doesn't do well if he gets up too early, we let him sleep until 11!" And, well, yeah, sure, maybe some people function better later but that isn't the reality they are likely to live with as an adult.
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