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Balrog0
11/08/18 5:48:46 PM
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is it because people hate white people?
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 5:49:23 PM
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Because they probably hate white people too
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brestugo
11/08/18 5:52:22 PM
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Malcolm X changed his views on whites after the Hajj. He saw whites, Blacks, Arabs and Asians worshipping and living in harmony.
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Killmonger
11/08/18 5:53:11 PM
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"hate"
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Tappor
11/08/18 5:53:20 PM
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i don't
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Balrog0
11/08/18 5:54:39 PM
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Killmonger posted...
"hate"


idgi are you under the impression he didn't hate white people

let me ask you this, would you assume that I as a white man didn't hate black people if I really hated how much other white men liked black women? and then questioned their motivations in doing so because they only wanted something like, say, racial integration, because they liked black women?
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FreshSushi
11/08/18 5:58:12 PM
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black supremacists are hilarious
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Killmonger
11/08/18 5:58:35 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
"hate"


idgi are you under the impression he didn't hate white people

Yes.
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FightingFefnir
11/08/18 5:59:18 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
Because they hate white people too
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Balrog0
11/08/18 5:59:36 PM
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Killmonger posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
"hate"


idgi are you under the impression he didn't hate white people

Yes.


interesting, do you want to deal with the substance of the post that you quoted which you clipped from this post? why do you have different standards for personal bigotry based on race? Or if you dont, why are you scared to address that directly?
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Bishop9800
11/08/18 6:00:32 PM
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brestugo posted...
Malcolm X changed his views on whites after the Hajj. He saw whites, Blacks, Arabs and Asians worshipping and living in harmony.


Wow. People are seriously ignoring this.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:02:02 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
brestugo posted...
Malcolm X changed his views on whites after the Hajj. He saw whites, Blacks, Arabs and Asians worshipping and living in harmony.


Wow. People are seriously ignoring this.


that happened less than a year before he died and nearly none of his widely cited quotes are literature are from that timespan

its similar to how MLK became more militant before he died but no one talks about him that way
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brestugo
11/08/18 6:03:05 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
brestugo posted...
Malcolm X changed his views on whites after the Hajj. He saw whites, Blacks, Arabs and Asians worshipping and living in harmony.


Wow. People are seriously ignoring this.

Yeah I give up on this thread. His movement after he left the nation of Islam was multiracial. When he was shot a Japanese woman, Yuri Kochiyama caught him before he fell.
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KlRBEH
11/08/18 6:04:01 PM
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Was he wrong for hating white people?
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:04:14 PM
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brestugo posted...
Yeah I give up on this thread. His movement after he left the nation of Islam was multiracial. When he was shot a Japanese woman, Yuri Kochiyama caught him before he fell.


I'm really not sure what this is supposed to indicate, please elaborate why you think this is as meaningful as you seem to
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Tyranthraxus
11/08/18 6:04:22 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
is it because people hate white people?

I wouldn't say he hated white people at any point in his life. He just sort of viewed the all-white government as adversarial and any white person who wanted to help black people had an ulterior motive for doing so--namely voting for their party of choice.

The problem is he's literally right. And not just a small amount of right, but he was pretty much right about everything back then and is still mostly right about it today. He's the kind of person who would be saying that the Democrats put forward Obama as their candidate to con black people into voting for them.

He was extremely smart, well educated (mostly all on his own), well informed about current events and active politicians and events all over the country, and very good in a debate. He's like Draje would be if Draje could stay calm and not flame people out and get suspended.
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 6:04:33 PM
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Why is Andrew Jackson on the twenty dollar bill?
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Bishop9800
11/08/18 6:04:35 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
that happened less than a year before he died and nearly none of his widely cited quotes are literature are from that timespan


So what? It's what he believed in when he died. But let me guess, that doesn't matter to you.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:04:37 PM
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KlRBEH posted...
Was he wrong for hating white people?


idk maybe not but is that why people like him, because they also hate white people?
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andel
11/08/18 6:05:07 PM
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KlRBEH posted...
Was he wrong for hating white people?


uhh yeah clearly
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:06:56 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
So what?


so for the purposes of this topic, where I'm asking about peoples opinions on him, its less meaningful that he changed his views in the last 1/40th of his life when 99.9% of his public persona is from before that

Bishop9800 posted...
It's what he believed in when he died. But let me guess, that doesn't matter to you.


I just don't understand what you're trying to get at. To go back to the MLK example, people like him because of what he said for most of his life rather than the more militant anti-poverty, anti-racist turn at the end of his life.

Unless you're trying to say that all these folks who like MLK are militant anti-racists and anti-capitalists like he became (they arent) then I dont see what you're getting at
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FightingFefnir
11/08/18 6:08:30 PM
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So many racist sympathizers smh
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:09:28 PM
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I'm just saying that as late as 1963, less than a year before that Hajj, Malcolm X was giving interviews talking about how black folks who were pro-integration were only pro-integration because they like white women

seems kinda bigoted to me at least
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Fony
11/08/18 6:10:59 PM
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How could black women who were the most in favor of integration be all gay and in love with white women? Is it a normal or usual thought now that black women like white women?
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:12:00 PM
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Fony posted...
How could black women who were the most in favor of integration be all gay and in love with white women? Is it a normal or usual thought now that black women like white women?


idk ask malcolm x? maybe he was sexist too and didnt consider black women
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Tyranthraxus
11/08/18 6:12:09 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
I just don't understand what you're trying to get at. To go back to the MLK example, people like him because of what he said for most of his life rather than the more militant anti-poverty, anti-racist turn at the end of his life.

Unless you're trying to say that all these folks who like MLK are militant anti-racists and anti-capitalists like he became (they arent) then I dont see what you're getting at


The fucking nonsense about MLK's nonviolence and Malcom X's violence is extremely exaggerated to the point where people try to make you think it's like the difference between the Dalai Llama and Osama Bin Laden.

Both of them advocated for violence nearly their entire lives, and Malcom X--while more violent than MLK was, had no significant difference in terms of extremity.

The main ideological difference between the two of them was that MLK was a huge backer of integration while Malcom X believed that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:13:10 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Both of them advocated for violence nearly their entire lives, and Malcom X--while more violent than MLK was, had no significant difference in terms of extremity.

The main ideological difference between the two of them was that MLK was a huge backer of integration while Malcom X believed that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.


I didn't say that was the difference, I said that the way people perceive them is similar

if you dont think MLK became more militant towards the end of his life you are simply wrong
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Killmonger
11/08/18 6:13:16 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
"hate"


idgi are you under the impression he didn't hate white people

Yes.


interesting, do you want to deal with the substance of the post that you quoted which you clipped from this post? why do you have different standards for personal bigotry based on race? Or if you dont, why are you scared to address that directly?

I stopped reading the moment you said "white man."
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andel
11/08/18 6:13:20 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Balrog0 posted...
is it because people hate white people?

I wouldn't say he hated white people at any point in his life. He just sort of viewed the all-white government as adversarial and any white person who wanted to help black people had an ulterior motive for doing so--namely voting for their party of choice.

The problem is he's literally right. And not just a small amount of right, but he was pretty much right about everything back then and is still mostly right about it today. He's the kind of person who would be saying that the Democrats put forward Obama as their candidate to con black people into voting for them.

He was extremely smart, well educated (mostly all on his own), well informed about current events and active politicians and events all over the country, and very good in a debate. He's like Draje would be if Draje could stay calm and not flame people out and get suspended.


yikes
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:13:50 PM
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Fony posted...
And no, Malcolm did not hate white people. How does it feel to be a noodle dicked, insecure, racist loser who has to blow off steam after another day in your worthless life talking shit about a guy who died in the 60's?


lmao are you going to PM me being mad about stuff I havent actually done again Fony?
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andel
11/08/18 6:16:21 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Fony posted...
And no, Malcolm did not hate white people. How does it feel to be a noodle dicked, insecure, racist loser who has to blow off steam after another day in your worthless life talking shit about a guy who died in the 60's?


lmao are you going to PM me being mad about stuff I havent actually done again Fony?


wow. dude is having a melty that people arent endorsing racism...not a good look
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:16:37 PM
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Killmonger posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Killmonger posted...
"hate"


idgi are you under the impression he didn't hate white people

Yes.


interesting, do you want to deal with the substance of the post that you quoted which you clipped from this post? why do you have different standards for personal bigotry based on race? Or if you dont, why are you scared to address that directly?

I stopped reading the moment you said "white man."


I appreciate the consistency
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:18:27 PM
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Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.
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andel
11/08/18 6:20:50 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:22:40 PM
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andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.
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Joeydollaz
11/08/18 6:23:32 PM
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Kazi1212
11/08/18 6:23:51 PM
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Its well known white people are hated around the world. People are racist towards black people because they believe they are beneath them, people are racist against white people because they hate them
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 6:24:29 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't
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andel
11/08/18 6:24:43 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.


that isnt what you initially said. he would be right in feeling like he was mistreated, he wouldnt be right to be racist as no one is right in that line of thinking for any reason
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Oh_Boy_
11/08/18 6:25:33 PM
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You guys really need some women in your lives. I guess this is your way of dealing with the world, better than a shooting spree I suppose.
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AmericaTheBrave
11/08/18 6:26:27 PM
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Malcolm X was completely justified in his hatred of white people given the time he lived in and what the all-white government did to him and his people.
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Bishop9800
11/08/18 6:27:10 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
So what?


so for the purposes of this topic, where I'm asking about peoples opinions on him, its less meaningful that he changed his views in the last 1/40th of his life when 99.9% of his public persona is from before that

Bishop9800 posted...
It's what he believed in when he died. But let me guess, that doesn't matter to you.


I just don't understand what you're trying to get at. To go back to the MLK example, people like him because of what he said for most of his life rather than the more militant anti-poverty, anti-racist turn at the end of his life.

Unless you're trying to say that all these folks who like MLK are militant anti-racists and anti-capitalists like he became (they arent) then I dont see what you're getting at


I noticed that you keep going back to King. (I wonder why when he has nothing to do with this) And since you "don't" understand what I'm trying to say" I'll dumb it down for you. Before he died, he saw all races coming together under his belief. And held that belief until he was killed. Thats what mattered. Understandable you want to tear him (and King) down.
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:27:27 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:28:04 PM
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andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.


that isnt what you initially said. he would be right in feeling like he was mistreated, he wouldnt be right to be racist as no one is right in that line of thinking for any reason

That's exactly what I said. Maybe read better.
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Bishop9800
11/08/18 6:28:16 PM
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FightingFefnir posted...
So many racist sympathizers smh


I know you're not talking after racist shit you said.
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andel
11/08/18 6:29:45 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.


that isnt what you initially said. he would be right in feeling like he was mistreated, he wouldnt be right to be racist as no one is right in that line of thinking for any reason

That's exactly what I said. Maybe read better.


no, you openly justified his racism which makes you no better than any other manner of racist. maybe learn how to understand how words work
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:30:11 PM
#49:


Bishop9800 posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
So what?


so for the purposes of this topic, where I'm asking about peoples opinions on him, its less meaningful that he changed his views in the last 1/40th of his life when 99.9% of his public persona is from before that

Bishop9800 posted...
It's what he believed in when he died. But let me guess, that doesn't matter to you.


I just don't understand what you're trying to get at. To go back to the MLK example, people like him because of what he said for most of his life rather than the more militant anti-poverty, anti-racist turn at the end of his life.

Unless you're trying to say that all these folks who like MLK are militant anti-racists and anti-capitalists like he became (they arent) then I dont see what you're getting at


I noticed that you keep going back to King. (I wonder why when he has nothing to do with this) And since you "don't" understand what I'm trying to say" I'll dumb it down for you. Before he died, he saw all races coming together under his belief. And held that belief until he was killed. Thats what mattered. Understandable you want to tear him (and King) down.


What?

I'm bringing up MLK because they are often seen as contemporaries who were opposed on. some issues. But MLK moved closer to the MX position later in life, and MX moved towards MLK.

BUT mainstream conservatives love idolizing early king. As most people who like Malcolm x ignore. large parts of. the last year of his life.

Not sure how I'm disrespecting either in saying that
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:30:14 PM
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andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.


that isnt what you initially said. he would be right in feeling like he was mistreated, he wouldnt be right to be racist as no one is right in that line of thinking for any reason

That's exactly what I said. Maybe read better.


no, you openly justified his racism which makes you no better than any other manner of racist. maybe learn how to understand how words work

*yawn*
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andel
11/08/18 6:31:26 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
andel posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


this is a very dangerous line of thinking that the worst people in history have utilized for whatever agenda

OK, explain why it's wrong for Malcom X to have felt like a second class citizen as a black man in this country that was born almost 100 years ago.


that isnt what you initially said. he would be right in feeling like he was mistreated, he wouldnt be right to be racist as no one is right in that line of thinking for any reason

That's exactly what I said. Maybe read better.


no, you openly justified his racism which makes you no better than any other manner of racist. maybe learn how to understand how words work

*yawn*


thanks for clarifying you are no better than sage, you will be treated accordingly
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:32:10 PM
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*double yawn*
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