Board 8 > Why This Contest Desperately Needs Rallies

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1) 85% of the results are done in the first hour(usually 30 min), barely move for the rest of the 23 hrs

2) It's been really boring so far because of that. Very little excitement outside of whiners

3) Without rallies, it's the same people voting every day. The very small people remaining on this dying site. Like... 15k actual people voting(counting user double votes). Even with the inflated numbers thanks to double voting, it's been embarrassing how few people care about this contest.

4) In 2018, a no rally contest is missing out on the amazing power of the internet. Potential sources like Twitter, Facebook, instagram, SnapChat, Twitch, Reddit, Tumblr... even on Mainstream TV or via celebrity endorsement. Remember in 2002 when planetgamecube got involved and helped Mario beat Cloud in 2002? That match is regarded as one of the best contest matches of all time partly because of that rallying. One site alone, and think of how many apps/sites we have now.

It's so much more exciting when outside forces get involved, like in 2015 when the Undertale fandom went up against the Smash fandom(Hungrybox, the current number one Melee player, tweeted about this contest!). Even if you hated when the rallied game/char won, you had to admit watching the fans come on the site and battle us regulars was a great source of entertainment.

5) The biggest turd of the contest so far, because of no rallies, has actually been Gamefaqs itself. The opposite of love is actually not hate, but apathy. People not caring. People just don't care anymore about this site. No rallies has shown that Gamefaqs is irrelevant. I know SBAllen can point to data showing more people coming to the site now than ever and that would compete with these embarrassing vote totals... but to me to proof is in the pudding.

And I'm not just saying this because I had a rally like Monika, D.Va, Draven, or Sans going far in my bracket, I would be saying this even if I went with a cookie bracket. The contest NEEDS rallies. As of now, it's like a 3.75/10 contest.
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SuperNiceDog posted...

Very little excitement outside of whiners

you're not being very exciting with this topic though
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U mad cause Dante is SSStyling on Lightning
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No.

There's nothing fun about some external site just hijacking the contest and winning over and over.

the fact that you use decimals in your rating of the contest just shows how much of a dweeb you are.
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And besides, we've had two rally-filled contests.

What did they do for the site in the long term? Nothing. The internet laughed about us for a few months, then went back to forgetting we exist.

Yeah fuck right off thanks
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Lopen posted...

U mad cause Dante is SSStyling on Lightning

No, it was something I was feeling even before that happened.
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Unfortunately, Gamefaqs is doomed to irrelevance.
Rallies can provide temporary intake and exposure, but that's not a lasting boost.

SuperNiceDog posted...

It's so much more exciting when outside forces get involved, like in 2015 when the Undertale fandom went up against the Smash fandom(Hungrybox, the current number one Melee player, tweeted about this contest!). Even if you hated when the rallied game/char won, you had to admit watching the fans come on the site and battle us regulars was a great source of entertainment.

No, that was the lowest point of the contest.

Because we spent weeks theorizing if Chrono Trigger could beat Ocarina or FFVII, and they took that away from us. We got no stats from that other than "gameFAQs folds if some big site raids it". We still don't know what CT can do because those idiots from Melee thought they had a shot against Tumblr.

Fuck that.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

No.

There's nothing fun about some external site just hijacking the contest and winning over and over.

You forget what it was like LEADING up to the Undertale matches in 2015. You didn't ever know, BEFORE it was over, if the rallies would be enough. You're being a little results oriented. It was actually quite impressive how those rallies were able to materialize. That the fans of their game cared enough.
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I blame "gamefaqs.gamespot.com".
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah fuck right off thanks

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SuperNiceDog posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

No.

There's nothing fun about some external site just hijacking the contest and winning over and over.

You forget what it was like LEADING up to the Undertale matches in 2015. You didn't ever know, BEFORE it was over, if the rallies would be enough. You're being a little results oriented. It was actually quite impressive how those rallies were able to materialize. That the fans of their game cared enough.

Everyone knew the contest was over the moment Undertale won the first match.

SuperNiceDog posted...

You didn't ever know, BEFORE it was over, if the rallies would be enough.

nope I said the contest was over the second Undertale took the lead against ME3

and I was right

SHOCKING
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

It's so much more exciting when outside forces get involved, like in 2015 when the Undertale fandom went up against the Smash fandom(Hungrybox, the current number one Melee player, tweeted about this contest!). Even if you hated when the rallied game/char won, you had to admit watching the fans come on the site and battle us regulars was a great source of entertainment.

No, that was the lowest point of the contest.

Because we spent weeks theorizing if Chrono Trigger could beat Ocarina or FFVII, and they took that away from us. We got no stats from that other than "gameFAQs folds if some big site raids it". We still don't know what CT can do because those idiots from Melee thought they had a shot against Tumblr.

Fuck that.

I'm pretty sure if CT was winning, Ocarina would have gotten a small scall rally that would have push it ahead. Zelda might not have large rallies, but it has already so much natural strengh that the small rallies it can get are enough to crush any hope of defeating it without rallies.

LeonhartFour posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

You didn't ever know, BEFORE it was over, if the rallies would be enough.

nope I said the contest was over the second Undertale took the lead against ME3

and I was right

SHOCKING

any evidence? Was it in the stats topic so it was documented?
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I blame "gamefaqs.gamespot.com".

yea... why the heck is there still poll of the day going?
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XIII_rocks posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah fuck right off thanks

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LeonhartFour posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

Very little excitement outside of whiners

you're not being very exciting with this topic though

this is a whiner topic
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SuperNiceDog posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

You didn't ever know, BEFORE it was over, if the rallies would be enough.

nope I said the contest was over the second Undertale took the lead against ME3

and I was right

SHOCKING

any evidence? Was it in the stats topic so it was documented?

At the very least, I remember Karma Hunter saying it was over when the ME3 match was done and mocking everyone who thought Undertale might lose any matches. "False hope is still hope" was the catch phrase.

SuperNiceDog posted...

any evidence? Was it in the stats topic so it was documented?

I was far from the only one who felt this way. I'm sure you could find it in the Stats Topics or in the Analysis Crew archives.

the funny thing about rallies is that they make things more predictable, not less, once they actually take effect
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LeonhartFour posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

any evidence? Was it in the stats topic so it was documented?

I was far from the only one who felt this way. I'm sure you could find it in the Stats Topics or in the Analysis Crew archives.

the funny thing about rallies is that they make things more predictable, not less, once they actually take effect

How would you rate the contest so far Leon? On a scale from 0 to 10?
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The rallies were definitely more fun. You wont find many agreeing here though partly because of how toxic some of the rallies people were and partly because people love their stale bran flakes contests around here. All these anti-rally measures did was make Nintendo stronger than ever even letting contest chokers like DK look like champs and assure Link will win every contest hes in from here on. Our own community can be just as toxic as the rallied people though. Look at everybody who shit on Sans when he didnt get a rally and lost to Pac-Man and everyone who laughed at Draven getting buried. These people are still feeling negative shit from years ago and cant let it go

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Very true. ExTha's rant (even if it was exaggerated for the sake of humour, which I really hope it was) and the Draven gloating were very sad.
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man I love how swordz is the one saying we don't like fun
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SuperNiceDog posted...

Even if you hated when the rallied game/char won, you had to admit watching the fans come on the site and battle us regulars was a great source of entertainment.

god no this is the very worst part that makes contest season unbearable

this year's been pretty great!
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I like fun. These contests just arent any and clearly less and less people even care to vote at all in them. By the time we get the next one well be lucky to have 10k votes period

swordz9 posted...

I like fun. These contests just arent any and clearly less and less people even care to vote at all in them. By the time we get the next one well be lucky to have 10k votes period

that's a referendum on the state of the site itself, not the contests

but this discussion is impossible to have when the pro-rally people think their way is the only way to have fun and we hate rallies because we like it when things are boring

Ulti's been pushing that nonsense for years now
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I agree that some B8 users can be jerks or whatever but that still doesn't warrant letting an army of 13 year olds in every year so they can "teach us not to vote for Final Fantasy all the time" or whatever is they want.

This is like the skinny nerd kid wanting to be punched by the jock because they makes his day more interesting. Sure, but at the end of the day, he's still being punched.

We are the skinny nerd kid. We are never going to be the jock again. GameFAQs is shrinking because it is a relic of the 2000s, a type of site that has been made obsolete. This is not something that can be reverted by posting a link to it on Reddit and inviting some trolls to come here make fun of us.

Most of the matches being one-sided beatdowns is mainly what makes it so boring. I know a rally can cause that too, but its preferable to the stagnant voting base here to me still. The only close matches weve had didnt have any business even being close and nobody would even think DK would beat Leon, but thats not even a nice surprise on Nintendofaqs

swordz9 posted...

The rallies were definitely more fun. You wont find many agreeing here though partly because of how toxic some of the rallies people were and partly because people love their stale bran flakes contests around here. All these anti-rally measures did was make Nintendo stronger than ever even letting contest chokers like DK look like champs and assure Link will win every contest hes in from here on. Our own community can be just as toxic as the rallied people though. Look at everybody who shit on Sans when he didnt get a rally and lost to Pac-Man and everyone who laughed at Draven getting buried. These people are still feeling negative shit from years ago and cant let it go

That is an outrageous false equivalence

You're talking a smattering of light-hearted posts and like five topics total, all of which was was over within a couple of days, vs. a toxic, deliberate campaign to make the board as hellish as possible over a roughly six-week period.

I wasn't going to hide my glee at Draven being utterly pasted or my disappointment with Undertale fans' lack of gumption but it was put to bed and forgotten within hours of the respective matches finishing.

Really disappointing to see a board 8 user drawing a comparison between the two things like they are even remotely the same.
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SuperNiceDog posted...

yea... why the heck is there still poll of the day going?

Yeah, between this and the contest vote form completely disappearing off the main page after you vote, this contest just doesn't feel like a big deal.
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LeonhartFour posted...

swordz9 posted...

I like fun. These contests just arent any and clearly less and less people even care to vote at all in them. By the time we get the next one well be lucky to have 10k votes period

that's a referendum on the state of the site itself, not the contests

but this discussion is impossible to have when the pro-rally people think their way is the only way to have fun and we hate rallies because we like it when things are boring

Ulti's been pushing that nonsense for years now

As I've said before about swordz I think he is settling. He seems to want a more exciting contest at any cost, even if it involved esoteric memes like Draven winning and turning the board into an inhospitable toxic soup. You want heavy rallies back so badly, even when you know what it causes, that's fine - you'll settle for that. Am I right?
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swordz9 posted...

Most of the matches being one-sided beatdowns is mainly what makes it so boring. I know a rally can cause that too, but its preferable to the stagnant voting base here to me still. The only close matches weve had didnt have any business even being close and nobody would even think DK would beat Leon, but thats not even a nice surprise on Nintendofaqs

From a standpoint of past contest strength, yeah DK beating Leon came out of left field. That being said, DK, no matter what you think of him, is a legend, while Leon is just another ordinary male lead. I say this as someone whose favorite game is Resident Evil 4.

Heck even within Resident Evil, Leon and Claire debuted in the same game but who got another game sooner? Leon has had nothing major since RE4, a game that has gotten backlash over time for steering the survival horror genre (and AAA gaming in general to an extent) the wrong way. DK is still getting games regularly. Leon's last game was the supposed abomination that was Resident Evil 6.

I'm totally on board with RE4 being one of the best games ever made, but come on.
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I agree that things would be interesting if there were multiple rallies, i.e. if a large number of characters had fanbases coming to support them, of different sizes, involving multiple other sites. When there's only one rally, it gets predictable.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Leon has had nothing major since RE4, a game that has gotten backlash over time for steering the survival horror genre (and AAA gaming in general to an extent) the wrong way.

The amount of actual people that bear RE4 itself any ill will because of this is vanishingly small.
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The fact you think a rally would guarantee the board becoming flooded with toxic trolls just proves my point that some people here feel borderline hatred for rallies altogether. There could be a rally without them, but even if they did show up its easy to ignore them. Well for some of us anyways since others keep talking to trolls here for years for whatever reason

swordz9 posted...

The fact you think a rally would guarantee the board becoming flooded with toxic trolls

I mean what reason is there to believe this wouldn't happen?

I don't blame people for not even wanting to chance it.
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Averia posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

It's so much more exciting when outside forces get involved, like in 2015 when the Undertale fandom went up against the Smash fandom(Hungrybox, the current number one Melee player, tweeted about this contest!). Even if you hated when the rallied game/char won, you had to admit watching the fans come on the site and battle us regulars was a great source of entertainment.

No, that was the lowest point of the contest.

Because we spent weeks theorizing if Chrono Trigger could beat Ocarina or FFVII, and they took that away from us. We got no stats from that other than "gameFAQs folds if some big site raids it". We still don't know what CT can do because those idiots from Melee thought they had a shot against Tumblr.

Fuck that.

I'm pretty sure if CT was winning, Ocarina would have gotten a small scall rally that would have push it ahead. Zelda might not have large rallies, but it has already so much natural strengh that the small rallies it can get are enough to crush any hope of defeating it without rallies.

In all honesty I think Chrono Trigger is easy to rally against, due to being a fairly obscure game outside of hardcore SNES/RPG fans and thus being symbolic to many of this site's biases.

And I totally get that. I don't think Chrono Trigger doesn't deserve its reputation, but it's beloved by a very specific type of gamer. It just does not have the same amount of mainstream recognition or widespread appeal as a Zelda or Smash Bros.
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LeonhartFour posted...

swordz9 posted...

The fact you think a rally would guarantee the board becoming flooded with toxic trolls

I mean what reason is there to believe this wouldn't happen?

I don't blame people for not even wanting to chance it.

Didnt it already happen in the past with Mario and Crono and stuff? Maybe if some of us didnt antagonize or even pay attention for the trolls at all they just leave, but nobody can resist here like how people keep taking politics with Vlado

Dels posted...

I agree that things would be interesting if there were multiple rallies, i.e. if a large number of characters had fanbases coming to support them, of different sizes, involving multiple other sites. When there's only one rally, it gets predictable.

At the risk of sounding a total hypocrite I can almost get on board with this? I'd actually be interested if there were like 3 or more huge rallies at once, all at war with each other. Then it'd be entertaining for us and you'd have these big titanic matches down the line as they met each other.

We've only ever seen one big rally per contest so far. I guess you could count SSBM's attempt to stop Undertale at a push?
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XIII_rocks posted...

Dels posted...

I agree that things would be interesting if there were multiple rallies, i.e. if a large number of characters had fanbases coming to support them, of different sizes, involving multiple other sites. When there's only one rally, it gets predictable.

At the risk of sounding a total hypocrite I can almost get on board with this? I'd actually be interested if there were like 3 or more huge rallies at once, all at war with each other. Then it'd be entertaining for us and you'd have these big titanic matches down the line as they met each other.

We've only ever seen one big rally per contest so far. I guess you could count SSBM's attempt to stop Undertale at a push?

SSBM's counter-rally was one yes. A rally does not have to translate into a win.
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XIII_rocks posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Leon has had nothing major since RE4, a game that has gotten backlash over time for steering the survival horror genre (and AAA gaming in general to an extent) the wrong way.

The amount of actual people that bear RE4 itself any ill will because of this is vanishingly small.

Okay, fine. But then, well, my point about Leon not having gotten much of anything since RE4 still stands.

As for rallies, I didn't like the way they hijacked the last character and games contests, but I'm not going to say they SHOULDN'T happen or anything. Go and gather your online friends and get them to vote, nothing wrong with that! Just no one has caught a rally this contest is all.

This is not one of our all-time great contests, but I think most of us are glad we have a contest at all, especially after last year's snoozefest.
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swordz9 posted...

Didnt it already happen in the past with Mario and Crono and stuff?

spoken like someone who wasn't here

the reaction to Mario/Crono II was insane

swordz9 posted...

Maybe if some of us didnt antagonize or even pay attention for the trolls at all they just leave

people still believe this huh
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Hell Link was rallied against Draven and nobody cared because the Link fans werent being toxic. Its not like all rallied people are toxic

teaching GameFAQs a lesson for liking Final Fantasy & Nintendo characters is like the primary fuel of all successful rallies

a rally without toxic trolls is like an apple pie without apples
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also I'd be more fine with rallies if it wasn't just like a swarm of locusts where they come in for a few hours, ravage everything down to the ground, and then go away until the next match

there's nothing fun about that
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LeonhartFour posted...

swordz9 posted...

Didnt it already happen in the past with Mario and Crono and stuff?

spoken like someone who wasn't here

the reaction to Mario/Crono II was insane

Was it has bad as Link/Shepard/Draven ? Worse ?

swordz9 posted...

Didnt it already happen in the past with Mario and Crono and stuff? Maybe if some of us didnt antagonize or even pay attention for the trolls at all they just leave, but nobody can resist here like how people keep taking politics with Vlado

Because it often wasn't b8 users enabling the trolling. It's people like InsaneGamer or that false flag account that popped up in 2015.

Also, you're oversimplifying. Allen made mistakes in how he handled the Draven situation. Your mileage may vary on what those mistakes were or if there even were any. That lead to angry arguments about what Allen was or wasn't doing wrong. No trolling from outside forces. Just a b8 vs. b8 toxic atmosphere.
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