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Cocytus
11/01/18 3:43:58 PM
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Do you support the death penalty? - Results (18 votes)
1. Yes
38.89% (7 votes)
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2. No
61.11% (11 votes)
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Nazanir
11/01/18 3:46:43 PM
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Here is the thing, if you go by the eye for an eye philosophy, everyone will end up blind.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/01/18 3:48:29 PM
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One of the few issues on not staunchly in a camp on.

I don't think life is sacred or there's a hypocrisy with it, I'm fairly pro-death but there are innocent people that have been killed and there appears (without digging to much into it) to be a racial bias.

Some people are so obviously guilty and devoid of humanity, they should be put down. But since our system sucks, I don't care if we decide to not execute because of the potential problems. Both sides seem to have legitimate points.
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emblem boy
11/01/18 3:49:17 PM
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Strongly against it
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DirkDiggles
11/01/18 3:49:22 PM
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When your dog gets rabies, what do you do?

You take your dog and shotgun behind the woodshed.
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 3:51:59 PM
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Not under any circumstances

DirkDiggles posted...
When your dog gets rabies, what do you do?

You take your dog and shotgun behind the woodshed.

People aren't dogs and dogs aren't mistakenly diagnosed with rabies on a regular basis. Dogs also can't appeal the diagnosis.
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Cocytus
11/01/18 3:52:17 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
I used to be 100% for it in cases of rape and murder. But after watching Oz, I'm a little conflicted.

Wow, interesting. Oz changed your mind. I like that show.
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ThePrinceFish
11/01/18 3:52:38 PM
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I used to be very pro-death penalty growing up, but the condemned thief who repented directly to Jesus as they were both being put to death changed my mind. Even monsters should be given the remainder of their lives to have the opportunity to reflect on their misdeeds and repent.
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DirkDiggles
11/01/18 3:53:40 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
People aren't dogs and dogs aren't mistakenly diagnosed with rabies on a regular basis. Dogs also can't appeal the diagnosis.


You are right. Murderers and rapists are lower than dogs.
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Very_Unreliable
11/01/18 3:53:45 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
One of the few issues on not staunchly in a camp on.

I don't think life is sacred or there's a hypocrisy with it, I'm fairly pro-death but there are innocent people that have been killed and there appears (without digging to much into it) to be a racial bias.

Some people are so obviously guilty and devoid of humanity, they should be put down. But since our system sucks, I don't care if we decide to not execute because of the potential problems. Both sides seem to have legitimate points.

EDDDGGEEYYYY WOAH

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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/01/18 3:54:13 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
dogs aren't mistakenly diagnosed with rabies on a regular basis


Couldn't we have attach probabilities to the verdict? Some people are simply caught red handed. Is there any doubt about the mass shooters that have been apprehended?
A sigma 5 guilty verdict could warrant the death penalty, but sigma 4 would just be life in prison.
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Cocytus
11/01/18 3:54:14 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I used to be very pro-death penalty growing up, but the condemned thief who repented directly to Jesus as they were both being put to death changed my mind. Even monsters should be given the remainder of their lives to have the opportunity to reflect on their misdeeds and repent.

Interesting. It's not for sure that's what they would do with their time though.
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Lost_All_Senses
11/01/18 3:54:28 PM
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I think if they are caught with no reasonable doubt. Not on a court level bit on a "you're literally on tape killing this person who did nothing to you" level. You should be killed to save tax-payers money. Cheapest way to kill someone like a slingshot and some rocks. Or drown them or something.
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Tmaster148
11/01/18 3:54:56 PM
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As long as the justice system remains flawed. So always I will be against the death penalty for sake of preventing innocents from being sentenced to death.
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knutjob
11/01/18 3:55:57 PM
#16:


No. I don't support sanctioned killing.
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 3:56:09 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People aren't dogs and dogs aren't mistakenly diagnosed with rabies on a regular basis. Dogs also can't appeal the diagnosis.


You are right. Murderers and rapists are lower than dogs.

Yeah... No. I'm good with not risking innocents lives to give the government the power to remove personhood from adult humans. The death penalty serves no purpose other than vengeance and it's insanely hypocritical for the government to commit premeditated killings on people they've already apprehended.
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ThePrinceFish
11/01/18 3:57:00 PM
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Cocytus posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
I used to be very pro-death penalty growing up, but the condemned thief who repented directly to Jesus as they were both being put to death changed my mind. Even monsters should be given the remainder of their lives to have the opportunity to reflect on their misdeeds and repent.

Interesting. It's not for sure that's what they would do with their time though.

Doesn't matter. The point is they should have the opportunity. It's their choice on whether or not to take it, just like in the larger scheme of Christianity.

I don't have any problem with life sentences, of course.
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emblem boy
11/01/18 3:58:39 PM
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I'm pretty much against it even in the hypothetical of there being no wronglful convictions. I just find it ethically wrong as a punishment and can't support it
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DirkDiggles
11/01/18 4:00:17 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah... No. I'm good with not risking innocents lives to give the government the power to remove personhood from adult humans. The death penalty serves no purpose other than vengeance and it's insanely hypocritical for the government to commit premeditated killings on people they've already apprehended.


What about putting them on chain gangs and make them build or repair roads or do very hard labor? Make them wish they were dead.
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 4:01:14 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
dogs aren't mistakenly diagnosed with rabies on a regular basis


Couldn't we have attach probabilities to the verdict? Some people are simply caught red handed. Is there any doubt about the mass shooters that have been apprehended?
A sigma 5 guilty verdict could warrant the death penalty, but sigma 4 would just be life in prison.

We don't need to develop an even more convoluted justice system just so we can kill whatever people we are definitely super duper sure did it of a free mind with no remorse.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/01/18 4:03:31 PM
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Sometimes. Depends on their opinion of trump.
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 4:03:35 PM
#24:


DirkDiggles posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah... No. I'm good with not risking innocents lives to give the government the power to remove personhood from adult humans. The death penalty serves no purpose other than vengeance and it's insanely hypocritical for the government to commit premeditated killings on people they've already apprehended.


What about putting them on chain gangs and make them build or repair roads or do very hard labor? Make them wish they were dead.

Sounds good to me. They can be used for good even if they have no hope of rehabilitation. We need to incarcerate killers. I just don't see the point in killing them. As long as we have a justice system. It will be complicated and expensive to kill people as everyone has a right to a fair trial and due process and there is always a risk of being wrong. The only hope of cheap death penalty would be frontier justice and that is not a world to regress to.
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Balrog0
11/01/18 4:05:17 PM
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Cocytus
11/01/18 7:14:57 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah... No. I'm good with not risking innocents lives to give the government the power to remove personhood from adult humans. The death penalty serves no purpose other than vengeance and it's insanely hypocritical for the government to commit premeditated killings on people they've already apprehended.


What about putting them on chain gangs and make them build or repair roads or do very hard labor? Make them wish they were dead.

Yeah, death is kind of an escape.
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Cocytus
11/01/18 7:15:41 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Cocytus posted...
GregShmedley posted...
I used to be 100% for it in cases of rape and murder. But after watching Oz, I'm a little conflicted.

Wow, interesting. Oz changed your mind. I like that show.


Yup. That show is very deep, tbh.

Yeah it's really good.
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TheKentster
11/01/18 7:16:31 PM
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Nazanir posted...
Here is the thing, if you go by the eye for an eye philosophy, everyone will end up blind.


In what way??
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Anisoptera
11/01/18 7:22:22 PM
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No. The process for getting into the chair takes so long that the inmate would die of old age or get killed in prison . Too many innocent people get lethal injection.
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:22:36 PM
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yes, because some people just need to die. needs to be no doubt they're the killer though.
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alt_no_1_loves
11/01/18 7:22:46 PM
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Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:24:46 PM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...
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Funkydog
11/01/18 7:26:37 PM
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Against it.

It isn't effective at stopping people commit crimes.
Costs more then jailing them.
Can result in innocents dying.
Revenge shouldn't be what we base our justice system around.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/01/18 7:27:18 PM
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Death penalty is bad, m'kay.
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Anisoptera
11/01/18 7:28:01 PM
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monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...


Murderers get put into maximum security with other murderers and aren't treated very nicely. The food is bad and they have very little freedom. They are hardly ever safe and death would be a release.
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:37:13 PM
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Anisoptera posted...
monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...


Murderers get put into maximum security with other murderers and aren't treated very nicely. The food is bad and they have very little freedom. They are hardly ever safe and death would be a release.

free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...
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alt_no_1_loves
11/01/18 7:38:11 PM
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monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...

That would be pretty terrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But I don't think it would change my belief in the principle that the state should not kill people, especially when any threat they pose has already been contained. Even if I personally wanted revenge, it should not be the role of the state to deal it out. It changes nothing.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/01/18 7:38:22 PM
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monkmith posted...
free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

Not really.
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:39:45 PM
#39:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
monkmith posted...
free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

Not really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470

JUSTICE!!!
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 7:41:01 PM
#40:


monkmith posted...
Anisoptera posted...
monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...


Murderers get put into maximum security with other murderers and aren't treated very nicely. The food is bad and they have very little freedom. They are hardly ever safe and death would be a release.

free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

We all know high-security prison is basically the Ritz Carlton
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:41:03 PM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...

That would be pretty terrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But I don't think it would change my belief in the principle that the state should not kill people, especially when any threat they pose has already been contained. Even if I personally wanted revenge, it should not be the role of the state to deal it out. It changes nothing.

some people gain comfort knowing that the person who brutally killed their loved one is dead. and at that point that's what matters, not the life of some monster. why not leave it up to the relatives of the dead.
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Master_Bass
11/01/18 7:41:12 PM
#42:


No.
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Funkydog
11/01/18 7:41:34 PM
#43:


monkmith posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
monkmith posted...
free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

Not really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470

JUSTICE!!!

And weirdly Norway has one of the lowest percentage of criminals committing a crime again.

It's pretty funny how not dehumanising people works ain't it?

monkmith posted...
some people gain comfort knowing that the person who brutally killed their loved one is dead. and at that point that's what matters, not the life of some monster. why not leave it up to the relatives of the dead.


Also no. That's not what justice should be about ultimately. What that is, is providing revenge and a justice system needs to be more "detached" to ensure it can act fairly and not simply on emotion.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/01/18 7:44:14 PM
#44:


monkmith posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
monkmith posted...
free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

Not really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470

JUSTICE!!!

You're confusing justice with vengeance and/or bloodthirst.

You have no desire for justice, you just want an erection.
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Anisoptera
11/01/18 7:45:43 PM
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cold showers everyday, food that isn't very good tasting or nutritious, hard mattresses, poor healthcare, and in the constant presence of other unhinged people.
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monkmith
11/01/18 7:46:47 PM
#46:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
monkmith posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
monkmith posted...
free room and board sounds like more life than a man who rapes and murders people deserves though...

Not really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470

JUSTICE!!!

You're confusing justice with vengeance and/or bloodthirst.

You have no desire for justice, you just want an erection.

haha, i'd love to see you say that to one of the parents of the kids he shot!
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hockeybub89
11/01/18 7:47:37 PM
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monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
monkmith posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
Completely opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Once the state has a person in custody, there's no way to view executing them as anything but murder. And I don't think states should be in the business of murder.

guy rapes and murders your daughter, dose it to a couple dozen others, i bet you'd change your opinion...

That would be pretty terrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But I don't think it would change my belief in the principle that the state should not kill people, especially when any threat they pose has already been contained. Even if I personally wanted revenge, it should not be the role of the state to deal it out. It changes nothing.

some people gain comfort knowing that the person who brutally killed their loved one is dead. and at that point that's what matters, not the life of some monster. why not leave it up to the relatives of the dead.

You're still giving the state the power to take away life and some poor fucker has to have the job of killing people, which can fuck you up no matter the victim unless you're a sociopath. You also can't be sure that people will gain comfort from having a killer killed. You can't bring back their loved ones and the execution might bring no comfort or make things worse. There are way too many variables and potential mistakes to continue to allow the government to control life and death. Emotional ploys don't change that
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NibeIungsnarf
11/01/18 7:48:40 PM
#48:


monkmith posted...
haha, i'd love to see you say that to one of the parents of the kids he shot!

Why would I say something to them that probably isnt true for them?

Talking about you here. You're just the worst person.
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GATTJT
11/01/18 7:50:58 PM
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There's no good reason to execute someone when we can already keep them imprisoned for life. Not to mention that there are innocent people on death row at this very moment and we've already executed innocents.
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TiamatLover
11/01/18 8:23:25 PM
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Absolutely. Except for really really minor petty crimes, pretty much anything that shouldn't be abolished as a crime altogether should attract the death penalty. Fuck tolerance of criminals, it just breeds more crime.
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