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I keep hearing from Jojo fans:

Wait until the end of part 3. That's when stands get good. Wait until part 4. Wait until part 5. Wait until part 6.

Honestly I keep waiting for the series to pick up but it's still the same boring pet battle shit. Hamon was better than this, much better.
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Jojo sucks

I agree TC. Part 2 is the GOAT. Part 3 was dragged out and mediocre monster of the week. Im currently in Part 4 tho and enjoy it almost as much as Part 2.
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Part 1 is underrated. Yeah I said it
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babyeatermax posted...

Part 1 is underrated. Yeah I said it

Its much better than 3
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I don't think the sentiment is wait until the next part, wait until the next part, etc. Stands get good in Pt 4, then continue to ramp up from there. But if you dont like them in general then *shrug*
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Does DIU ever move past being a random fodder battle of the week series? Because part 3 never became more than that and that's the reason I hate it
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sobergermanguy posted...

Does DIU ever move past being a random fodder battle of the week series? Because part 3 never became more than that and that's the reason I hate it

I'd say it definitely does. Once you find out who the main antagonist is the plot becomes much more cohesive.

And at the very least the stand of the week stuff does a much better job reflecting the growth and characteristics of the cast better than it did in 3 imo
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Part 3 was such a slog. I couldn't even finish the first half of it.

Unknown5uspect posted...

Part 3 was such a slog. I couldn't even finish the first half of it.

Like. The first two parts were short, succinct, perfect. Then part 3 happens and you get a slow 52 episode drag of mediocrity. Like ugh.

Eventually I started skipping episodes. The 2nd half of Battle in Egypt was actually pretty good but it wasnt worth all the filler vefore it.
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the entire first part of stardust crusaders is filler
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Hamon is lame. Stands rock
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3 is bad
4 is great
1>2
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SailorGoon posted...

sobergermanguy posted...

Does DIU ever move past being a random fodder battle of the week series? Because part 3 never became more than that and that's the reason I hate it

I'd say it definitely does. Once you find out who the main antagonist is the plot becomes much more cohesive.

And at the very least the stand of the week stuff does a much better job reflecting the growth and characteristics of the cast better than it did in 3 imo

Stardust crusaders, where by episode 3 jotaro already had mastered his stand enough for that beyond surgical precision technique.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Hamon is lame. Stands rock

Stands are too contrived
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I pretty much preferred Hamon until Im not sure when. I think sometime in Part 3 mustve changed my opinion, not sure where.
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Part 5 stand battles become intense. Part 6 and 7 have an amazing overlying arc that trumps 2's. 8 is unfinished
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sobergermanguy posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

Hamon is lame. Stands rock

Stands are too contrived

And Hamon, the power that lets you do fucking anything you want basically, is not? Stands have set rules and limitations. The fun comes from characters figuring out how to work around those rules.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

sobergermanguy posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

Hamon is lame. Stands rock

Stands are too contrived

And Hamon, the power that lets you do fucking anything you want basically, is not? Stands have set rules and limitations. The fun comes from characters figuring out how to work around those rules.

That's true. Hamon is conducted through metal and water but not air except... Not really because bubbles? And you can break bricks even though stone won't conduct it.

Don't even get me started on stands. They make no fucking sense. They have limitations? Dio's stand says hi. And I think my biggest problem with stands is how they've become more situational and overpowered as the series moved toward pet battles of the week. "My power might be convulted, useless as fuck and niche on paper but it's going to be extremely overpowered in this very specific scenario that would never happen in real life"
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Part 2 is really good in its own right, but Hamon didn't have far left to go and they were out of vampires. I mean Jojo literally fought a perfect life form that was immune to Hamon.

Part 3 is very awkward, sure

Part 4 is good

Part 5 is amazing

Part 6 is amazing

Part 7 is transcendant
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sobergermanguy posted...

Don't even get me started on stands. They make no fucking sense. They have limitations? Dio's stand says hi. And I think my biggest problem with stands is how they've become more situational and overpowered as the series moved toward pet battles of the week. "My power might be convulted, useless as fuck and niche on paper but it's going to be extremely overpowered in this very specific scenario that would never happen in real life"

Dio is the big bad villain so of course his stand is busted. As strong as The World is, it still has range weaknesses. Jotaro found workarounds. The fun in part 3 is the Crusaders fighting crazy strong people and beating them with crazy strategies.
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Honestly a combo of kakyoin, polnareff, and Joseph might've been capable of defeating DIO if they didn't take so long to guess his ability. A rat managed to guess it instantly.
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I don't even the understand the point of part 3. Everyone died and for what? They could have at least made Holly relevant in the future

Hamon was so boring. It was basically impossible to evolve it anymore
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OldSnakeLiveon8 posted...

I don't even the understand the point of part 3. Everyone died and for what? They could have at least made Holly relevant in the future

For defeating a crazy powerful and dangerous monster
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GiftedACIII posted...

OldSnakeLiveon8 posted...

I don't even the understand the point of part 3. Everyone died and for what? They could have at least made Holly relevant in the future

For defeating a crazy powerful and dangerous monster

But they all died to save Jotaro's mom and she's never heard from again. Her not being able to develop her stand properly made no sense anyway. It was just a cheap plot point to get them to Egypt

The Hanged Man fight near the beginning of part 3 is more creative than anything else in Parts 1 and 2, and stands get way better during Part 4 and on. Also, stands' weakness is that usually the actual user is a regular person. Every Hamon user in the series is more or less in peak physical condition, while half of the stand users in the series are chumps once their stand is worked around.

OldSnakeLiveon8 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

OldSnakeLiveon8 posted...

I don't even the understand the point of part 3. Everyone died and for what? They could have at least made Holly relevant in the future

For defeating a crazy powerful and dangerous monster

But they all died to save Jotaro's mom and she's never heard from again. Her not being able to develop her stand properly made no sense anyway. It was just a cheap plot point to get them to Egypt

3 of them lived and they go on to play a prominent part in the next 3 arcs. Holly is just a weak plot point though. Honestly it's a shame the later arcs stopped really caring for the minor characters. A lot of part 4/5 characters could've seen use in 6.
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MorganTJ posted...

The Hanged Man fight near the beginning of part 3 is more creative than anything else in Parts 1 and 2, and stands get way better during Part 4 and on. Also, stands' weakness is that usually the actual user is a regular person. Every Hamon user in the series is more or less in peak physical condition, while half of the stand users in the series are chumps once their stand is worked around.

Honestly there are so many filler battles in part 3 I can't even remember who the hanged man is. But if you're talking about the battle I think you are didn't Abdvol survive that battle, thus rendering one of the best parts of SC pointless
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Zodd3224 posted...

babyeatermax posted...

Part 1 is underrated. Yeah I said it

Its much better than 3

I honestly can't understand why part 1 gets so much hate
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Joseph is the best JoJo, but no
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FL81 posted...

Joseph is the best JoJo, but no

They ruined his character in part 3. He never used hamon effectively and his stand sucked
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Irony posted...

Hamon was so boring. It was basically impossible to evolve it anymore

It ran out of sensible applications shortly into Part 2. Idk why Ripple fans think it's this great underutilized shonen power when other series at least make it to 20 episodes before they start making it up as they go along.

Stands are bullshit by design and it makes the fights way better. Someone can have a power that is useless 99% of the time, but they're either smart enough or lucky enough to be in a position where their power is devastating.
Part 3 doesn't get to explore this as much because a) the heroes all have really simple abilities and b) every other Stand user is attempting to murder them from the get go. So yeah it does get better in Part 4 and of.
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Great topic.

I'm halfway through Part 3 and Stands just seem like mobile fighting machines that can ass pull abilities when needed.

Every time Joseph utilizes Hamon in Part 3 I get giddy

babyeatermax posted...

Part 1 is underrated. Yeah I said it

Jonathan vs. Vampire Dio in the mansion is my favorite fight in the entire series
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Jonathan vs. Vampire Dio in the mansion is my favorite fight in the entire series

Yeah I remember having a watch topic and someone said that was 3/10. Bullshit, Dio walking up the wall is kino
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By the end of part 4, Araki has figured out how to make really compelling Stand battles. The final battle of part 4 in particular is a great example of how the clever application of Stand abilities can shift the tide of battle. The best Stand battles are like a game of chess, and the worst are like Calvinball, or worse, just two ghosts punching each other.
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Jonathan is probably the most boring and generic protagonist in manga history
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Doe posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Jonathan vs. Vampire Dio in the mansion is my favorite fight in the entire series

Yeah I remember having a watch topic and someone said that was 3/10. Bullshit, Dio walking up the wall is kino

"GOODBYE, JOJO" is the best Engrish in the series

And the ending with Dio getting rekt by the statue was cathartic as all hell

Irony posted...

Jonathan is probably the most boring and generic protagonist in manga history

Username checks out
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I didn't know Stardust Crusaders had so many haters. Sure it's very monster of the week format-wise, but it's a big varied and perilous journey to Egypt where not many of the main cast that we've grown to love come out unscathed. If it didn't spend so much time with fodders and crazy hijinks to develop the friendship these guys end up having by the end of the series, then the final segment wouldn't have had as big of an impact to me as it did.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Doe posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Jonathan vs. Vampire Dio in the mansion is my favorite fight in the entire series

Yeah I remember having a watch topic and someone said that was 3/10. Bullshit, Dio walking up the wall is kino

"GOODBYE, JOJO" is the best Engrish in the series

And the ending with Dio getting rekt by the statue was cathartic as all hell

Irony posted...

Jonathan is probably the most boring and generic protagonist in manga history

Username checks out

Glad I changed my name to this. Easy to tell when someone has no argument
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Stardust isn't bad

It's just Parts 1-2 and balls to the wall pacing, nothing happened in those parts without a reason.

Then you have Part 3 and they're getting fucked around by Stands every episode

Jotaro is the worst Jojo of the three so far too. I get what they're trying to do with his delinquent yet smart guy personality, but it's not nearly as compelling as Joseph, who got nerfed to high hell in Part 3. Hamon became useless because it just did.
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Irony posted...

Jonathan is probably the most boring and generic protagonist in manga history

You really saying this when Jotaro exists

No one likes Japanese boy
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Irony posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Doe posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Jonathan vs. Vampire Dio in the mansion is my favorite fight in the entire series

Yeah I remember having a watch topic and someone said that was 3/10. Bullshit, Dio walking up the wall is kino

"GOODBYE, JOJO" is the best Engrish in the series

And the ending with Dio getting rekt by the statue was cathartic as all hell

Irony posted...

Jonathan is probably the most boring and generic protagonist in manga history

Username checks out

Glad I changed my name to this. Easy to tell when someone has no argument

Jonathan was difficult for [Araki] to design. He wanted to create a "first Joestar" that could function as a symbol of purity and dignity rather than a unique, fresh character. However, there were limitations on how he could write the character due to being a "symbol of justice".

Araki: There are limitations on how I could write the character because he was a "symbol of justice," so he may be a little on the boring side.

See yourself out thx
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Hamon in of itself was very limiting while stands gave a lot more room for creativity so I didn't mind the shift. The only thing I dislike about Araki making his story "stand" oriented is that he keeps on doing the "monster of the week" format. The thing that made Part 2 great was the anticipation, how unpredictable it could be.
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Part 4 is the best part by a longshot. 2 is good, 1 is mostly good except for that boring part in the middle. Everything is else is mostly inconsequential fights that aren't interesting or exciting. I can't develop an investment in what's happening most of the time, because some made up bullshit will happen to either solve it or make it more contrived.

Fights need rules to follow. Without rules, it literally doesn't matter what happens next. If 2+2=/=4, what does it equal? What does anything equal? It doesn't matter, it's chaos and meaning is lost. Dogs and cats living together etc.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

It's just Parts 1-2 and balls to the wall pacing, nothing happened in those parts without a reason.

Then you have Part 3 and they're getting f***ed around by Stands every episode

You're going to hate the first half of part 4 then
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GiftedACIII posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

It's just Parts 1-2 and balls to the wall pacing, nothing happened in those parts without a reason.

Then you have Part 3 and they're getting f***ed around by Stands every episode

You're going to hate the first half of part 4 then

I know Part 4 is basically Persona 4 (or is Persona 4 basically Part 4), so I'll be fine watching that I think
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

It's just Parts 1-2 and balls to the wall pacing, nothing happened in those parts without a reason.

Then you have Part 3 and they're getting f***ed around by Stands every episode

You're going to hate the first half of part 4 then

I know Part 4 is basically Persona 4 (or is Persona 4 basically Part 4), so I'll be fine watching that I think

Not the first half. The first half is very slice of life.
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