Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 199: Lisa Mur-coward-ski

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TheRock1525 posted...

I feel like anyone actively drinking Coors Light should have their voting rights taken away.

I dont drink but I dont understand the point of light beer

I want to drink the least efficient thing to get drunk with and I want it to taste worse because Im concerned about calories.

Just get drunk on something else
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Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

It's just funny to me that Republicans have to use every underhanded tactic in the book (gerrymandering, literally not bringing a SC nominee up for a vote, voter disenfranchisement, etc.) plus Dems general incompetence to hang onto power and even then it's by the skin of their teeth. They can't outright win the popular vote, they have to lose by 3 million votes. More people vote Democrat than Republican every year but they put district lines in a way to maximize seats.

It all feels like borrowed time.

Literally just tried to derailing a nominee based on fucking unsubstantiated accusations. Get fucking real.

Underhanded tactics... Lmfao.

If these charges had been leveled at Robert Downey Jr someone else would be playing Iron Man in Avengers 4*

*Note I don't watch these films and have no idea if hes even still alive.

I am glad you are finally understanding how stupid the jump to judge is.

I'm saying it would have made sense.

Not too many people wanna STAND BY THEY MAN when they're semi-credibly accused of sexual assault.

It feels like a miscalculation even now to push this through in light of metoo , Cosby, etc.
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

It's just funny to me that Republicans have to use every underhanded tactic in the book (gerrymandering, literally not bringing a SC nominee up for a vote, voter disenfranchisement, etc.) plus Dems general incompetence to hang onto power and even then it's by the skin of their teeth. They can't outright win the popular vote, they have to lose by 3 million votes. More people vote Democrat than Republican every year but they put district lines in a way to maximize seats.

It all feels like borrowed time.

Literally just tried to derailing a nominee based on fucking unsubstantiated accusations. Get fucking real.

Underhanded tactics... Lmfao.

If these charges had been leveled at Robert Downey Jr someone else would be playing Iron Man in Avengers 4*

*Note I don't watch these films and have no idea if hes even still alive.

I am glad you are finally understanding how stupid the jump to judge is.

I'm saying it would have made sense.

Not too many people wanna STAND BY THEY MAN when they're semi-credibly accused of sexual assault.

It feels like a miscalculation even now to push this through in light of metoo , Cosby, etc.

We've already seen how poorly "stand by your man" worked for Roy Moore. Kavanaugh only survived because it was a Senate vote, not a public one because he literally is the most unpopular SC pick of all time. Even independents became "man fuck this guy."

Republicans can keep hoping "disenfranchised white males" can keep their base afloat but it's not working very well.
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Jakyl25 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I feel like anyone actively drinking Coors Light should have their voting rights taken away.

I dont drink but I dont understand the point of light beer

I want to drink the least efficient thing to get drunk with and I want it to taste worse because Im concerned about calories.

Just get drunk on something else

You clearly don't drink beer. This made very little sense.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Corrik posted...

Coors light is watered down beer. Miller lite is better. If you want a Coors product, Keystone Light is superior than Coors Light.

Bud Lite Platinum is the bestest.

Guiness is my go to all the time beer, but my favorites are all bourbon barrel aged ones as they are by far the tastiest.

Of all the ones you listed, Coors light is the only one that's drinkable you monster.

Bud Lite Platinum is a man's drink.

And yuck at the heavy dark beers you like.
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

It's just funny to me that Republicans have to use every underhanded tactic in the book (gerrymandering, literally not bringing a SC nominee up for a vote, voter disenfranchisement, etc.) plus Dems general incompetence to hang onto power and even then it's by the skin of their teeth. They can't outright win the popular vote, they have to lose by 3 million votes. More people vote Democrat than Republican every year but they put district lines in a way to maximize seats.

It all feels like borrowed time.

Literally just tried to derailing a nominee based on fucking unsubstantiated accusations. Get fucking real.

Underhanded tactics... Lmfao.

If these charges had been leveled at Robert Downey Jr someone else would be playing Iron Man in Avengers 4*

*Note I don't watch these films and have no idea if hes even still alive.

I am glad you are finally understanding how stupid the jump to judge is.

I'm saying it would have made sense.

Not too many people wanna STAND BY THEY MAN when they're semi-credibly accused of sexual assault.

It feels like a miscalculation even now to push this through in light of metoo , Cosby, etc.

Where was the semi-crediby accusation?

This is just crazy. We have a court of law for a reason. Unless it is obvious someone is guilty, they are innocent until proven guilty. This situation didn't even come close to something which was respectable to support off of an accusation.
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Unknown Brewing Cos Feather Light is the best light beer anyway.

Light and refreshing, makes a great Radler (aka the post hike drink of champions)
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Corrik posted...

This is just crazy. We have a court of law for a reason. Unless it is obvious someone is guilty, they are innocent until proven guilty. This situation didn't even come close to something which was respectable to support off of an accusation.

So clear up until the moment Sandusky was convicted of molesting all of those boys he was innocent?

That's what you just said.
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Eddv posted...

Unknown Brewing Cos Feather Light is the best light beer anyway.

Light and refreshing, makes a great Radler (aka the post hike drink of champions)

radlers that aren't made with hefeweizen? heathenry
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Did Bill Cosby only drug and rape the one girl?
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pxlated posted...

Eddv posted...

Unknown Brewing Cos Feather Light is the best light beer anyway.

Light and refreshing, makes a great Radler (aka the post hike drink of champions)

radlers that aren't made with hefeweizen? heathenry

Feather Light is a berlinner weisse. Once you go Berliner Weiss....theres no good rhyme. But its tasty.
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I'm still waiting to hire that Casey Anthony Babysitter Service.
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I live within driving distance of Founders, Bells, and Shorts brewery so I'm good.
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Corrik posted...

Unless it is obvious someone is guilty, they are innocent until proven guilty.

Well thats an evolution of the justice system I didnt expect
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Bells Oberon is a favorite.
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Eddv posted...

pxlated posted...

Eddv posted...

Unknown Brewing Cos Feather Light is the best light beer anyway.

Light and refreshing, makes a great Radler (aka the post hike drink of champions)

radlers that aren't made with hefeweizen? heathenry

Feather Light is a berlinner weisse. Once you go Berliner Weiss....theres no good rhyme. But its tasty.

oh i didn't know that

carry on then
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TheRock1525 posted...

I live within driving distance of Founders, Bells, and Shorts brewery so I'm good.

there's a good microbrewery within walking distance of basically everywhere in my city and still i am jealous.
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Brett Kavanaugh has taken the oaths of office to become the 114th Supreme Court justice, just a couple of hours after the Senate voted 50-48 to confirm him.

The quick swearing in enables Kavanaugh to begin work immediately in advance of arguments at the court Tuesday in two cases involving prison sentences for repeat offenders.

The 53-year-old justices wife, children and parents were in attendance.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/10/06/brett-kavanaugh-sworn-in-supreme-court-justice/

QUESTION PRESENTED:
Is a state robbery offense that includes "as an element" the common law requirement of
overcoming "victim resistance" categorically a "violent felony" under the only remaining
definition of that term in the Armed Career Criminal Act, 18 U.S.C. 924(e)(2)(B)(i)(an offense
that "has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the
person of another"), if the offense has been specifically interpreted by state appellate courts to
require only slight force to overcome resistance?

QUESTION PRESENTED:
Whether burglary of a nonpermanent or mobile structure that is adapted or used for
overnight accommodation can qualify as "burglary" under the Armed Career Criminal Act of
1984, 18 U.S.C. 924(e)(2)(B)(ii)

Don't too much about these two cases but it sounds like it should be unanimous yes in both.
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I also go to Perrin where I used to get Malted Milk Ball which is the legit best beer on earth.
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https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1048705298712748032?s=19

Congratulations to Justice Kavanaugh! Xoxo
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1048705298712748032?s=19

Congratulations to Justice Kavanaugh! Xoxo

Read the first tweet. I am fucking dying. Lol.

https://twitter.com/Owl_ofthewoods/status/1048706129570672640?s=19
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Corrik posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1048705298712748032?s=19

Congratulations to Justice Kavanaugh! Xoxo

Read the first tweet. I am fucking dying. Lol.

https://twitter.com/Owl_ofthewoods/status/1048706129570672640?s=19

Mrs. Kavanaugh looks like she has that same expression everywhere she goes. Maybe a little less stress I guess, who wouldn't be after going through that circus.
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Corrik posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1048705298712748032?s=19

Congratulations to Justice Kavanaugh! Xoxo

Read the first tweet. I am fucking dying. Lol.

https://twitter.com/Owl_ofthewoods/status/1048706129570672640?s=19

This is what we're fighting against!
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LAW: D.C. court seat could be next battle if Kavanaugh confirmed https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060088723

From July lol. Now who will replace Kavanaugh, hmmm?
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Out of boredom I was looking at the 2016 Senate elections.

Dems outvoted Republicans 51 million to 40 million.

That's a pretty crazy gap.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Out of boredom I was looking at the 2016 Senate elections.

Dems outvoted Republicans 51 million to 40 million.

That's a pretty crazy gap.

Depends on what seats were up. If a California seat or NY seat was up, well duh?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Out of boredom I was looking at the 2016 Senate elections.

Dems outvoted Republicans 51 million to 40 million.

That's a pretty crazy gap.

There have been more registered Democrats than Republicans since the 1930s.
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Apparently, according to Republicans, geography matters more than individuals.

50 million Californians are worth less than 10 million South Carolinans. Seems kind of a stupid philosophy to me.
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California was a +12 million Democratic votes since no Republican candidate.

Really crazy stats there, Rock. Lmfao

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_2016

Take this race out with no Republican candidate and Republicans had more votes than democrats. And that is with a +3million from NY alone.
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red sox 777 posted...

So, I like to talk about Democrats being incompetent a lot, but today, let's reflect on the brilliance of the Republican Party. They hold a 51/49 margin in the Senate, the barest of margins, and their 51 represent less than half of the country's population, yet they got everything they wanted today. That's efficiency. That's delivering on promises. #ThisIsWhyWeWon.

so you're a republican but you're not conservative?
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Corrik posted...

California was a +12 million Democratic votes since no Republican candidate.

Really crazy stats there, Rock. Lmfao

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_2016

Take this race out with no Republican candidate and Republicans had more votes than democrats. And that is with a +3million from NY alone.

The take away California because there are so many Democrats and Republicans win nationally argument makes no sense.

California is an economy as big as some of the biggest economies in the entire world, more than dozens of other states combined. Why do you get to remove its voters?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

California was a +12 million Democratic votes since no Republican candidate.

Really crazy stats there, Rock. Lmfao

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_2016

Take this race out with no Republican candidate and Republicans had more votes than democrats. And that is with a +3million from NY alone.

The take away California because there are so many Democrats and Republicans win nationally argument makes no sense.

California is an economy as big as some of the biggest economies in the entire world, more than dozens of other states combined. Why do you get to remove its voters?

So you should count votes when they literally did not even have a candidate to vote for as for why the gap was so large. It is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

If anything, the take away Republicans outvoted Democrats outside of California (with NY) is impressive.

"Wow it is so impressive there was 11illion more Democratic voted than Republican ones! Let's ignore that there was 12 million Democratic votes in a state in which a Republican candidate was not offered to vote for in!"
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Corrik posted...

"Wow it is so impressive there was 11illion more Democratic voted than Republican ones! Let's ignore that there was 12 million Democratic votes in a state in which a Republican candidate was not offered to vote for in!"

If Republicans wanted a candidate to vote for in the general election they should have showed up to the primary. California's system isn't mysterious - whoever the top two vote-getters in the primary are show up on the ballot. It's not the Democrats' fault Republicans couldn't get their shit together enough to get someone to the general.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

"Wow it is so impressive there was 11illion more Democratic voted than Republican ones! Let's ignore that there was 12 million Democratic votes in a state in which a Republican candidate was not offered to vote for in!"

If Republicans wanted a candidate to vote for in the general election they should have showed up to the primary. California's system isn't mysterious - whoever the top two vote-getters in the primary are show up on the ballot. It's not the Democrats' fault Republicans couldn't get their shit together enough to get someone to the general.

There wouldn't be democrats on a lot of ballots if their states had it the same way. It is just stupid to act like it is impressive when you know exactly why it was that way and it is hella not impressive at all.

But, I forgot, you guys are all about some ambiguous, non mattering consolation victory or something. Weird.
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I mean let's be honest though

If California had a Republican on the ballot do you think it would have made it much closer
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Corrik posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

"Wow it is so impressive there was 11illion more Democratic voted than Republican ones! Let's ignore that there was 12 million Democratic votes in a state in which a Republican candidate was not offered to vote for in!"

If Republicans wanted a candidate to vote for in the general election they should have showed up to the primary. California's system isn't mysterious - whoever the top two vote-getters in the primary are show up on the ballot. It's not the Democrats' fault Republicans couldn't get their shit together enough to get someone to the general.

There wouldn't be democrats on a lot of ballots if their states had it the same way. It is just stupid to act like it is impressive when you know exactly why it was that way and it is hella not impressive at all.

But, I forgot, you guys are all about some ambiguous, non mattering consolation victory or something. Weird.

Your party controls all three branches of government while representing less than half of all voters. Please, continue crying about how the system is so unfair to you.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

"Wow it is so impressive there was 11illion more Democratic voted than Republican ones! Let's ignore that there was 12 million Democratic votes in a state in which a Republican candidate was not offered to vote for in!"

If Republicans wanted a candidate to vote for in the general election they should have showed up to the primary. California's system isn't mysterious - whoever the top two vote-getters in the primary are show up on the ballot. It's not the Democrats' fault Republicans couldn't get their shit together enough to get someone to the general.

There wouldn't be democrats on a lot of ballots if their states had it the same way. It is just stupid to act like it is impressive when you know exactly why it was that way and it is hella not impressive at all.

But, I forgot, you guys are all about some ambiguous, non mattering consolation victory or something. Weird.

Your party controls all three branches of government while representing less than half of all voters. Please, continue crying about how the system is so unfair to you.

No one is crying about what is unfair. You are just playing dumb now.

I pointed out with a source of why it is not impressive. You just can't handle the facts of it.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I mean let's be honest though

If California had a Republican on the ballot do you think it would have made it much closer

I believe it would have cut the total in half at the very least from a 12 million lead to a 6 million lead. Maybe even further.

The point is, like I said from the onset, looking at the Senate gap is all about what states voted. It wouldn't be impressive if the Republicans carried it and it was all deep red States.

The Senate by extension of only doing 33% at a time is always bound to have pointless gaps based on states up for grabs. House makes more sense. But it likely isn't too far off from the presidential numbers I would guess.
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Your logic is faulty.

Its like when Ulti kept posting that map of the US that geographically is mostly red like it meant something.

Why do you think your votes should count for more because Democrats tend to live in areas with higher population?
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Apparently repubs won 63.1 to 61.7 million in house votes in 2016. That is frankly kind of weird compared to the presidential numbers.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Your logic is faulty.

Its like when Ulti kept posting that map of the US that geographically is mostly red like it meant something.

Why do you think your votes should count for more because Democrats tend to live in areas with higher population?

Literally. Was. Not. A. Candidate. To. Choose. From. Why. Is. This. So. Hard. To. Grasp.
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@Suprak_the_Stud

Why do you think the house and presidential votals are different as they are and not closer?

In fact, more voted for the House Repubs than for even Trump himself.
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Corrik posted...

I believe it would have cut the total in half at the very least from a 12 million lead to a 6 million lead. Maybe even further.

In the primary, the Republican candidates combined for barely 2 million
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

I believe it would have cut the total in half at the very least from a 12 million lead to a 6 million lead. Maybe even further.

In the primary, the Republican candidates combined for barely 2 million

Overall 2016 California Presidential Election Results
D H. Clinton61.6%7,362,490
R D. Trump32.8%3,916,209
L G. Johnson3.4%402,406
G J. Stein1.8%220,312
P G. La Riva0.4%52,900

Feel confident they would drug in at least 3 million Senate votes there.

House of Representatives

Popular vote
8,358,598
4,947,867
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Corrik posted...

@Suprak_the_Stud

Why do you think the house and presidential votals are different as they are and not closer?

In fact, more voted for the House Repubs than for even Trump himself.

I think Republicans are better at fielding local politicians than democrats are. The national Republican platform is off putting to a majority of voters and I think it is going to be very hard for a Republican politician to win the popular vote any time in the near future. It doesn't matter because they have the electoral college to protect them, but 50% do not like the Republican platform.

HOWEVER

Republicans are smart enough to know this. In Alabama, they field those crazy "GAY PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE YOUR KIDS WATCH RU PAUL" candidates. In Northern Illinois, almost all Republicans are socially liberal/moderate and fiscally moderate/conservative. They're competitive here and people will vote for that even though they hate Trump and basically any national Republican of note. To win the primary, you essentially have to court the Republican base which just isn't anywhere near the middle. Republicans are very good at finding moderate republicans though and running them where they should be run.

Democrats don't always do the same thing. It is hard to find an anti abortion democrat these days, and usually you may get a "well we don't support abortion but we don't want the government to limit it" which, as reasonable as that may sound to me, doesn't play well in Alabama. Jones almost lost to an actual literal pedophile because he was fairly liberal socially and moderate fiscally, which isn't what you want in Alabama. You'd want those two things switched.

I wold need to look more into this, obviously, but my gut instinct is Republicans are better at playing politics at a local level and don't care about it nationally because of the way the Senate is set up/the electoral college.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Jones almost lost to an actual literal pedophile

This isn't true.

But, I am surprised that more people don't vote straight tickets. I mean, my first glance at that is, that most who voted for Trump voted their house representative and that is mostly that.

But what surprises me is that while Republican votes for house mirror the presidential total, the Democrat votes are 4 million less than hillary's and that isn't even counting the millions of 3rd part presidential votes.

Is there simply just that many Democratic presidential voters that just don't vote for lower positions?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/17/is-split-ticket-voting-officially-dead/?utm_term=.6e50b9d161ed
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Most Democrats aren't as partisan as you were lead to believe. I haven't voted straight ticket once in terms of local offices. I will this year, but this is the first time I've ever done that.

There are some, sure, but there are Republicans that do that too. There were probably just more that didn't like Trump but liked a local Republican for democrats/democratic leaning independents than the other way around.

And fine "Roy Moore pursued woman between the ages of 16-17 when he was way too old and while he probably isn't a pedophile by the exact definition of the word you know what I'm talking about and he was gross regardless" instead of pedophile then.
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Corrik posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/17/is-split-ticket-voting-officially-dead/?utm_term=.6e50b9d161ed

Interesting, but that doesn't surprise me as much. Senate seats are still state wide so that doesn't surprise me that they vote mostly (or all!) the same way they vote for presidential elections . Individual districts are more interesting and more what I was talking about. I would think the house would still have a decent number of split district tickets but I'd have to look into that to be sure.
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