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WastelandCowboy
10/05/18 10:57:58 AM
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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/05/654552328/senate-to-take-decisive-vote-on-kavanaugh-amid-protest-from-democrats

Updated at 10:55 a.m. ET: Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court cleared a key procedural hurdle after the Senate voted to limit debate on Friday. A final vote on his confirmation is expected over the weekend.

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The Senate is voting Friday morning on the first step to confirming Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court following the release of an FBI report on allegations of sexual misconduct by Kavanaugh.

Yet there were several senators who had still not publicly stated their position just ahead of the vote. Among them was Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who said she would vote in favor of moving the nomination forward, but said she would announce her final decision on whether he should be confirmed Friday afternoon.

In a speech leading up to the vote, Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said, "The resistance is located right here on Capitol Hill'" and urged his colleagues to "say no to mob rule" by voting to confirm Kavanaugh.

The top Democrat on the panel, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, said Republicans have "largely chosen to ignore the testimony" of Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were teenagers.

President Trump, in a tweet Friday morning, criticized what he termed "the very rude elevator screamers," who he said are "paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad!" Without evidence, he alleged the protesters, several of whom said they have been sexual assault victims were "paid by [financier George] Soros and others."

Senators had one day to review a confidential supplemental background check into Kavanaugh's behavior in the early- to mid-1980s when he was in high school and college. The closely guarded collection of interviews is celebrated by Republican leaders as concrete proof that Kavanaugh did not harass or abuse women. Democrats say the interviews, which they originally requested, are incomplete and inconclusive.

The FBI report has done little to alleviate a bitter partisan fight over Kavanaugh's nomination. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., says the Senate will proceed anyway on a Friday procedural vote that could pave the way for a final confirmation vote on Saturday.

"What we know for sure is the FBI report did not corroborate any of the allegations against Judge Kavanaugh," McConnell said at a news conference on Thursday. "The second thing we know for sure is that there's no way anything we did would satisfy the Democrats."

Kavanaugh took an unusual step to boost his nomination Thursday evening, writing an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal expressing regret for the heated tone of his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, including comments decrying Democratic attacks, that was seen by some wavering senators as too partisan.

"I was very emotional last Thursday, more so than I have ever been. I might have been too emotional at times. I know that my tone was sharp, and I said a few things I should not have said," Kavanaugh wrote.
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WastelandCowboy
10/05/18 11:00:46 AM
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The White House defended Kavanaugh's demeanor during the hearings.

"Any human being who has been falsely accused of a range of things including gang rape has a right to be upset, has a right to be angry, and that's what we saw last week," said White House spokesperson Kerri Kupec during an interview with Morning Edition.

McConnell needs 51 votes to clear the procedural hurdle on Friday. Republicans have enough votes to meet that bar on their own, but only if they win the support of Collins as well as Sens. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska; and Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., who have withheld judgment while the FBI completed its work.

All three spent hours in a secure room in the basement of the Capitol on Thursday reviewing the roughly 45 pages of FBI interviews. Collins and Flake both say the investigation was thorough, but neither would say if they are now prepared to vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

Flake forced Republicans to launch the additional investigation last week after a tense negotiation with Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats. Flake spent a large portion of the afternoon reviewing the FBI work and said he saw no new evidence to corroborate any of the claims against Kavanaugh, which Flake had previously indicated would mean he will vote to confirm.

Democrats saw something very different in the report. Several criticized Republicans for limiting the FBI investigation to just nine interviews. They said the process ignored many potential witnesses, including Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who first accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her at a high school party in the 1980s.

The FBI also did not interview Kavanaugh.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said those issues raised serious doubts about Kavanaugh and his qualifications.

"Judge Kavanaugh stated at his hearing that the individuals at the incident involving Dr. Ford refuted her version of events," Schumer said Thursday. "From their own public statements, we knew that to be false, and nothing in this report changes that."

Similar concerns moved Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., to announce Thursday that she would oppose Kavanaugh. Heitkamp is one of the most vulnerable Democrats on the ballot in November and has seen her poll numbers slip in recent weeks. She's running for re-election in a state president Trump won in 2016 by more than 35 points.

Heitkamp said she was troubled by Kavanaugh's aggressive appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee and the message his confirmation would send to women and girls across the country.

"When considering a lifetime appointment to Supreme Court, we must evaluate the totality of the circumstances and record before us," Heitkamp said in a statement. "In addition to the concerns about his past conduct, last Thursday's hearing called into question Judge Kavanaugh's current temperament, honesty, and impartiality."

Her opposition leaves Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., as the only undecided Democrat. He is also in a tough re-election campaign and was silent on Kavanaugh in the days leading up to the vote.

The nomination now hangs on the decisions of Collins, Murkowski, Flake and Manchin.
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Far-Queue
10/05/18 11:03:09 AM
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Judgmenl
10/05/18 11:08:57 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
The top Democrat on the panel, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, said Republicans have "largely chosen to ignore the testimony" of Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were teenagers.


Because people can choose to ignore the testimony. I watched that live and it was so infuriating to listen to.
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JTekashiro
10/05/18 11:11:25 AM
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I don't see what the big issue is. It's not like Kavanaugh did anything serious like use a private e-mail server for work e-mails.
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Judgmenl
10/05/18 11:16:25 AM
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JTekashiro posted...
I don't see what the big issue is. It's not like Kavanaugh did anything serious like use a private e-mail server for work e-mails.


+1
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TheCyborgNinja
10/05/18 11:18:19 AM
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There are no standards in America. Between Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Trump in the White House, what's the point anymore?
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Mead
10/05/18 11:28:43 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
There are no standards in America. Between Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Trump in the White House, what's the point anymore?


Vote
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Troll_Police_
10/05/18 11:29:04 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
The top Democrat on the panel, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, said Republicans have "largely chosen to ignore the testimony" of Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were teenagers.


the ignored her testimony because there was fucking ZERO evidence to back it up

if i say that shriveled old hag molested me when i was 8 with nothing to back it up should they lock her ass up?

seriously, that bitch is pure evil.
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MICHALCOLE
10/05/18 11:51:46 AM
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Pure evil
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KrissVector
10/05/18 11:56:41 AM
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Fucking awesome! A small win for innocent until proven guilty.

Kavanaugh has major issues, like with privacy and his rulings around that. However, his opposition prefers to play dirty and their concern is abortion which sickens me.

Still, I prefer Kavanaugh to any judge Hillary would put in.
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Krazy_Kirby
10/05/18 3:03:52 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
There are no standards in America. Between Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Trump in the White House, what's the point anymore?


yeah, guilty until proven innocent!

and then still insist that they are guilty!
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papercup
10/05/18 3:23:59 PM
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I don't like Kavanagh, but it's almost as if there was no evidence, several investigations that found nothing and dozens of people saying it didn't happen.
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 3:27:37 PM
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Who cares? The lady got what she wanted which was what... like a million plus from a GoFundMe
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 3:32:00 PM
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Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.
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ASlaveObeys
10/05/18 3:47:46 PM
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papercup posted...
I don't like Kavanagh, but it's almost as if there was no evidence, several investigations that found nothing and dozens of people saying it didn't happen.

Literally no one said it didn't happen. They all just said they don't remember it happening.
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WastelandCowboy
10/05/18 3:51:34 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

Hell no. Last thing anyone wants is for rape victims to not come forward just because of the threat of jail time and being sued for defamation.
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JoeDangIt
10/05/18 3:56:06 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

Hell no. Last thing anyone wants is for rape victims to not come forward just because of the threat of jail time and being sued for defamation.

I'm sure rapists want that.
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 3:58:30 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

Hell no. Last thing anyone wants is for rape victims to not come forward just because of the threat of jail time and being sued for defamation.


If they lie about it, like in this case, they should 100% go to jail. For life. With zero chance of parole. That is a subhuman thing to do, just like raping someone.
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WastelandCowboy
10/05/18 4:12:18 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

Hell no. Last thing anyone wants is for rape victims to not come forward just because of the threat of jail time and being sued for defamation.


If they lie about it, like in this case, they should 100% go to jail. For life. With zero chance of parole. That is a subhuman thing to do, just like raping someone.

Who the fuck said she was lying? Pretty much everyone agrees that something terrible happened to Christine Ford. The evidence just points to that it wasnt Kavanaugh.
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 4:40:17 PM
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WastelandCowboy
10/05/18 4:44:32 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Im assuming youre a grown adult, right?

If so, would you please use your grown-up words instead of emojis to convey your response?
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Far-Queue
10/05/18 4:58:28 PM
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Lack of corroborating information =/= a false accusation. Means they couldn't prove it any more than disprove it with the current information they've accumulated. Amazing how some people fail to grasp that.
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Blighboy
10/05/18 5:15:56 PM
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This accusation falls under the category of 95% of rape allegations in that it cannot be sufficiently proven one way or another. It's not really unusual.
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SeahorseCpt89
10/05/18 5:28:55 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

We dont even know if it was a false accusation. She could still be telling the truth, it will just never be proven. This will forever just be a he said/she said situation and well never know which side is correct. Innocent until proven guilty counts for her accusations too.
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 5:33:19 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...

Im assuming youre a grown adult, right?

If so, would you please use your grown-up words instead of emojis to convey your response?


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OhhhJa
10/05/18 6:29:28 PM
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I'm not gonna say it was, without a doubt, a false accusation but there were definitely quite a few factors that made this one seem less credible
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Mead
10/05/18 6:42:36 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...

Im assuming youre a grown adult, right?

If so, would you please use your grown-up words instead of emojis to convey your response?


It makes me sad when I remember that the guy has a freaking kid
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FourthDimension
10/05/18 6:52:14 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

That would require a thorough investigation, which for some reason republicans do not want.
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 7:04:28 PM
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 7:05:09 PM
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FourthDimension posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

That would require a thorough investigation, which for some reason republicans do not want.

Kavanaugh has been appointed now. Why would they bother?
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likehelly
10/05/18 7:17:45 PM
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he totally did it all though.

it's clear as day that that dude has probably even murdered someone.
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 7:19:48 PM
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likehelly posted...
he totally did it all though.

it's clear as day that that dude has probably even murdered someone.

Just one person? He's probably up there with dexter tbh
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IronicFool
10/05/18 7:26:00 PM
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FourthDimension posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Bitches better get jail time fr fr. False accusations are serious business.

That would require a thorough investigation, which for some reason republicans do not want.


It's obvious why they don't want to. One week isn't enough to chase down all the leads that came out during testimony, and this way republicans can pretend they gave it a chance. They'll say that no new evidence was found in this restrictive timeframe and that the whole thing was just trying to delay the confirmation until after the election when maybe possibly democrats would be able to get someone else in (even though there's no guarantee of that happening). And hell, just a week ago they didn't want an investigation at all. How about a little compromise? For all we know they found something and buried it, evidence can be hidden away pretty easily after all.

likehelly posted...
he totally did it all though.

it's clear as day that that dude has probably even murdered someone.


This too. I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes forward accusing him of murder. We all saw his face during the hearing after all.
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 7:27:18 PM
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IronicFool posted...
This too. I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes forward accusing him of murder. We all saw his face during the hearing after all.

Omg lmao
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Doctor Foxx
10/05/18 7:33:01 PM
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papercup posted...
I don't like Kavanagh, but it's almost as if there was no evidence, several investigations that found nothing and dozens of people saying it didn't happen.

Plenty of people have offered testimony that won't be used, or heard, at all

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/kavanaugh-investigation-limited-by-white-house-report.html

And if that's not enough

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/outrage-grows-as-omissions-from-kavanaugh-probe-become-apparent

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bb58157e4b0876eda9afeff

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/legal-experts-new-text-messages-show-kavanaugh-might-have-tampered-with-witness/
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 7:48:16 PM
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Mead posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...

Im assuming youre a grown adult, right?

If so, would you please use your grown-up words instead of emojis to convey your response?


It makes me sad when I remember that the guy has a freaking kid


I bet. Aren't you like @SunWuKung420s age? Slow swimmers huh. Or do you have the same incredibly low t that @Zangulus has?

Either way you're a sad little man
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The_tall_midget
10/05/18 7:57:01 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Make America Grope Again


We'd have to bring back Clinton for that. You know, an actual molester and not one made up by the story of some lying bitch.
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Mead
10/05/18 7:58:08 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
Far-Queue posted...
Make America Grope Again


We'd have to bring back Clinton for that. You know, an actual molester and not one made up by the story of some lying bitch.


I imagine you touch your nipples every time you call her a bitch
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 8:04:48 PM
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Everyone remember... mead is a giant sissy who requires an echo chamber. He puts you on ignore if you disturb his fragile ego
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IronicFool
10/05/18 8:09:16 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
papercup posted...
I don't like Kavanagh, but it's almost as if there was no evidence, several investigations that found nothing and dozens of people saying it didn't happen.

Plenty of people have offered testimony that won't be used, or heard, at all

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/kavanaugh-investigation-limited-by-white-house-report.html

And if that's not enough

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/outrage-grows-as-omissions-from-kavanaugh-probe-become-apparent

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bb58157e4b0876eda9afeff

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/legal-experts-new-text-messages-show-kavanaugh-might-have-tampered-with-witness/


Anyone who can't see that kavanaugh committed perjury at this point (AKA LYING UNDER OATH OR UNDER THREAT OF PERJURY) isn't going to let silly evidence get in the way.
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SmokeMassTree
10/05/18 8:09:51 PM
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I don't think anyone is forgetting that, ever.

Dude even went as far as claiming he was transsexual in a sad attempt at getting @Zeus banned
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Sonicplys
10/05/18 8:10:42 PM
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Who cares. He will be replaced within two months.
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The_tall_midget
10/05/18 8:16:35 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Everyone remember... mead is a giant sissy who requires an echo chamber. He puts you on ignore if you disturb his fragile ego


He hasn't put me on ignore. I find his sjw and simp white knights antics to be very entertaining.
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dioxxys
10/05/18 8:17:39 PM
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Mead and I have disagreed on a lot and he's never ignored me
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Enclave
10/05/18 8:18:49 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
The evidence just points to that it wasnt Kavanaugh.


That's not the case at all. The FBI was put on a massively handicapped investigation and thus couldn't find anything one way or the other.
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OhhhJa
10/05/18 8:30:44 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Everyone remember... mead is a giant sissy who requires an echo chamber. He puts you on ignore if you disturb his fragile ego


He hasn't put me on ignore. I find his sjw and simp white knights antics to be very entertaining.

dioxxys posted...
Mead and I have disagreed on a lot and he's never ignored me

I think I post more than you guys do though. I will say I have been an outright dick to him but usually after he's being a snarky little turd
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likehelly
10/05/18 8:35:47 PM
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mead only ignores the super toxic racist bigoted people here.

so just ziggi and schmen and likely smt

i, too, have them ignored.
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Mead
10/05/18 8:45:26 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Everyone remember... mead is a giant sissy who requires an echo chamber. He puts you on ignore if you disturb his fragile ego


He hasn't put me on ignore. I find his sjw and simp white knights antics to be very entertaining.


Hear that?

Im giant
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adjl
10/05/18 8:51:23 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Lack of corroborating information =/= a false accusation. Means they couldn't prove it any more than disprove it with the information they've currently accumulated. Amazing how some people fail to grasp that.


Next you're going to suggest that "innocent until proven guilty" should apply to charging people with false accusations, too.
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