Poll of the Day > i don't understand the Colin kaepernick 'controversy' at all.

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PK_Spam posted...

Like, can you imagine blaming all of this countrys problems on poor Mexican people taking farming jobs for barely any pay, and not blaming the people who illegally employ those people and exploit them for profit? Or the huge corporations that siphon billions per year and manage to evade paying taxes because of loopholes?

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

You tackle the easiest problems first, that's pragmatism.
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PK_Spam posted...

Because this country was founded on the principle that people should be allowed to come here freely Icoyar.

And also, you are wrong.

This country was founded on the principle that government should not control our lives, as well as having RELIGIOUS freedom (which was the exact reason why people left Europe for the New World, except for the Spanish, who mainly sought wealth and power), which is why the Bill of Rights doesn't grant ANY rights, but limits the government on what it could do it citizens.

TheWorstPoster posted...

This country was founded on the principle that government should not control our lives, as well as having RELIGIOUS freedom

You mean freedom to force Christianity on others that Britain didn't allow.
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PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

Yep, sure is pragmatic to waste millions of dollars a year on a group of people who collectively wont make that much money their entire lives, and who cant take government help because they dont have social security cards, and who still pay taxes for things they actually cant benefit from.
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PaddysPub posted...

i don't understand the Colin kaepernick 'controversy' at all

You share that with the majority of people who oppose him, that's pretty much the heart of the issue.
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I wonder what a man who has never worked feels about the assertion that illegal immigrants are coming here and stealing jobs.

Can he be outraged? If so, is it justified? I mean, you're 30. You've never worked. You're not at risk of losing a job. Plus, the illegal immigrant still pays some taxes into the system that you exploit as an American.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster
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PaddysPub posted...

how smooth does your brain have to be to get upset over the way a man bends his knees during the government song? Like holy shit, man, hes not disrespecting the country, flag or song in any way at all.

Dumbest of the absolute dumb.

my only gripe, is doing it while on the job. if i went and protested at my place of work I woulda been fired. ultimately its just a minor gripe though. if it where up to me i'd tell them to do whatever the hell they wanted on their time, but not on the nfl's time. but I'm not the nfl and I do believe its the nfls right to say they can or can't do it. (on the nfl's time that is, not in their private life/personal time)

what kills me though, I don't watch a shit load of football so idk, but did they even show the national anthem being played on tv (superbowl aside) until this shit came up?
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PK_Spam posted...

Yep, sure is pragmatic to waste millions of dollars a year on a group of people who collectively wont make that much money their entire lives, and who cant take government help because they dont have social security cards, and who still pay taxes for things they actually cant benefit from.

It's only a waste because there's so much resistance to no tolerance laws. Just like most laws, they do a shit job of achieving their goals because they're compromised between opposing ideologies.
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PK_Spam posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster

Sounds like you only brought this up to somehow pin the blame on Trump, for things that have happened since 2014.

But I digress.

Anyway, what makes you think that any of us want illegals from Poland or Russia anyway? The truth is, there aren't many of them, since an overwhelming majority of illegal immigration, occurs to the one third-world country that shares a southern border to us.

(And before you call me "racist" for calling Mexico third-world):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/First_second_third_worlds_map.svg/1024px-First_second_third_worlds_map.svg.png

Third-World is in green

Kyuubi4269 posted...

PK_Spam posted...

Yep, sure is pragmatic to waste millions of dollars a year on a group of people who collectively wont make that much money their entire lives, and who cant take government help because they dont have social security cards, and who still pay taxes for things they actually cant benefit from.

Hmmmmmm... grrrrr... why cant these liberals let ICE abuse and take advantage of these poor people. If these liberals let us get rid of every brown person in the country I dont like, things would be perfect forever!.

Fixed
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's only a waste because there's so much resistance to no tolerance laws.

No tolerance "laws" like the one where kids were put in cages after being ripped from their parents? Gee I can't imagine why there would be resistance to such a thing

mooreandrew58 posted...

my only gripe, is doing it while on the job.

These dudes aren't signing contracts for their anthem-standing skills

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster

Sounds like you only brought this up to somehow pin the blame on Trump, for things that have happened since 2014.

But I digress.

Anyway, what makes you think that any of us want illegals from Poland or Russia anyway? The truth is, there aren't many of them, since an overwhelming majority of illegal immigration, occurs to the one third-world country that shares a southern border to us.

(And before you call me "racist" for calling Mexico third-world):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/First_second_third_worlds_map.svg/1024px-First_second_third_worlds_map.svg.png

Third-World is in green

Do you have an updated map? The one you provided said it's only between April and August of 1975.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

I mean, I'm you of all people would never hate that someone posted a map fro 43 years ago.
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Cacciato posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster

Sounds like you only brought this up to somehow pin the blame on Trump, for things that have happened since 2014.

But I digress.

Anyway, what makes you think that any of us want illegals from Poland or Russia anyway? The truth is, there aren't many of them, since an overwhelming majority of illegal immigration, occurs to the one third-world country that shares a southern border to us.

(And before you call me "racist" for calling Mexico third-world):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/First_second_third_worlds_map.svg/1024px-First_second_third_worlds_map.svg.png

Third-World is in green

Do you have an updated map? The one you provided said it's only between April and August of 1975.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Third_world_countries_map_world_2.PNG

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster

Sounds like you only brought this up to somehow pin the blame on Trump, for things that have happened since 2014.

But I digress.

Anyway, what makes you think that any of us want illegals from Poland or Russia anyway? The truth is, there aren't many of them, since an overwhelming majority of illegal immigration, occurs to the one third-world country that shares a southern border to us.

(And before you call me "racist" for calling Mexico third-world):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/First_second_third_worlds_map.svg/1024px-First_second_third_worlds_map.svg.png

Third-World is in green

yeah I actually met some illegal immigrants from germany. after I got over the oh cool foreigners from a land my ancestors where from. it actually pissed me off. according to them though the only reason they came over here was to prove how easy it was to do illegally. they did shit like take pictures with cops and post it on the internet laughing about it. (like the average cop is really gonna question two white chicks on if they are illegal)
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PK_Spam posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

PK_Spam posted...

Yep, sure is pragmatic to waste millions of dollars a year on a group of people who collectively wont make that much money their entire lives, and who cant take government help because they dont have social security cards, and who still pay taxes for things they actually cant benefit from.

Hmmmmmm... grrrrr... why cant these liberals let ICE abuse and take advantage of these poor people. If these liberals let us get rid of every brown person in the country I dont like, things would be perfect forever!.

Fixed

You already said they get abused when they cross the border now, you can't have it both ways lol

Everybody has a responsibility to support their country, and illegal immigrants abandon that responsibility then place additional burden on the host country.

Oh, and nice job editing out an argument you can't refute for a strawman.
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I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Cacciato posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

PK_Spam posted...

But nope. Blame illegals. But not all illegals. Just the brown ones. And not all of the Russian and polish immigrants we have. Also, the brown ones need to be separated from their families.

So, why aren't you blaming Obama for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/upshot/liberals-immigration-children-border-misinformation.html

I never said I liked Obama

Now answer my question @TheWorstPoster

Sounds like you only brought this up to somehow pin the blame on Trump, for things that have happened since 2014.

But I digress.

Anyway, what makes you think that any of us want illegals from Poland or Russia anyway? The truth is, there aren't many of them, since an overwhelming majority of illegal immigration, occurs to the one third-world country that shares a southern border to us.

(And before you call me "racist" for calling Mexico third-world):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/First_second_third_worlds_map.svg/1024px-First_second_third_worlds_map.svg.png

Third-World is in green

Do you have an updated map? The one you provided said it's only between April and August of 1975.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Third_world_countries_map_world_2.PNG

Do you have any citations for that map? It describes them as 'usually' and I would like to know who it is that makes that determination. Shit, your maps dont even match up anyway lmao

I cant believe you're this fuckin goofy dude. Remember what I said a few weeks ago about getting an education? Go fuckin do that.
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He doesnt even know what a third world country even means lol
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PaddysPub posted...

I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.

for me its always been a you are out there representing your team and company, not your personal beliefs. do that on your own time. thats why some companies, (at least some I or family has worked for) didn't even want you going out buying booze while in company uniform, because you are representing the company while wearing it.

as said though, i'm of the mind if the nfl wants to allow it, I believe its their right to allow it.
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PaddysPub posted...

I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.

They were totally okay with having players who were abusive to their wives and girlfriends though and that was absolutely distracting
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PaddysPub posted...

I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.

But it's only even considered a distraction because of the negative reaction to it. There's nothing inherently distracting about it, it doesn't affect the timing of the game or the performance of the anthem itself.

Actually, if anything, attempts to "soften" it like locking arms on the playing portion of the field or going to the locker room seem more distracting. People are out of place so it's probably adding a (minor) amount of delay to the game

PaddysPub posted...

I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.

And that's a fair enough argument, in my opinion. You can call Kaep a statistically better than average QB, you can call him a crap QB, the fact of the matter is that I think a lot of owners didnt think his performance would justify the amount of negative attention that he'd potentially bring to their team.

Chewster posted...

Actually, if anything, attempts to "soften" it like locking arms on the playing portion of the field or going to the locker room seem more distracting. People are out of place so it's probably adding a (minor) amount of delay to the game

This too.
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http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm

PK_Spam posted...

They were totally okay with having players who were abusive to their wives and girlfriends though and that was absolutely distracting

This point is also salient when it comes to the "but at any other job..." argument. In any other career if you had some of this shit on your record you wouldn't find it easy to get another job, but in the NFL they don't even get half a season off most of the time. Maybe protesting isn't where we should worry about how character standards meet up to common workplaces.

Cacciato posted...

PaddysPub posted...

I mean I guess the only opposing perspective I can really understand here is an NFL team owner not wanting the distraction before games.

And that's a fair enough argument, in my opinion. You can call Kaep a statistically better than average QB, you can call him a crap QB, the fact of the matter is that I think a lot of owners didnt think his performance would justify the amount of negative attention that he'd potentially bring to their team.

Chewster posted...

Actually, if anything, attempts to "soften" it like locking arms on the playing portion of the field or going to the locker room seem more distracting. People are out of place so it's probably adding a (minor) amount of delay to the game

This too.

anyone good enough to play in the nfl is a pretty good player. but I don't think he was good enough to make it controversy or not. he may have lasted a little longer without it though.

and on the if its a distraction thing, different kind of distraction rather than if its holding up the game. it has people more focused and talking about it than the game itself, and it may or may not cost some ticket sells. that kind of distraction.
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He would be at worst like the bottom 40% of NFL QBs if he was on an active roster (including backups, last year moreso than this year since he may be out of practice by now). People who try to make the excuse it has to do with his skill are fucking insane or just don't know anything about the NFL

mooreandrew58 posted...

anyone good enough to play in the nfl is a pretty good player. but I don't think he was good enough to make it controversy or not. he may have lasted a little longer without it though.

and on the if its a distraction thing, different kind of distraction rather than if its holding up the game. it has people more focused and talking about it than the game itself, and it may or may not cost some ticket sells. that kind of distraction.

Yeah, they're good enough, but there's a draft every year that keeps pumping new talent into the sport. Eventually your talent pool is gonna be filled with cheaper, and eventually better, replacements.

My biggest issue with the 'distraction' is that this is supposedly a government-induced issue in the first place. If it's true that the anthem wasn't shown on TV prior to the 'paid patriotism' decision of the government then this whole issue is even more absurd.

Flip that switch. Do what ESPN said they're doing for MNF. Dont show the fucking anthem.
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Chewster posted...

He would easily be in AT LEAST the top 40% of NFL QBs if he was on an active roster (including backups, last year moreso than this year since he may be out of practice by now). People who try to make the excuse it has to do with his skill are fucking insane or just don't know anything about the NFL

I've seen the articles that compare his previous performance with the current group of starters. I've seen the same articles that say his performance was based off other team metrics when he went to the SB.

My point is he's not Brady, he's not Rodgers. Some teams would rather work with a QB in the top 45% instead of dealing with the attention he's gonna bring to a franchise.
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Cacciato posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

anyone good enough to play in the nfl is a pretty good player. but I don't think he was good enough to make it controversy or not. he may have lasted a little longer without it though.

and on the if its a distraction thing, different kind of distraction rather than if its holding up the game. it has people more focused and talking about it than the game itself, and it may or may not cost some ticket sells. that kind of distraction.

Yeah, they're good enough, but there's a draft every year that keeps pumping new talent into the sport. Eventually your talent pool is gonna be filled with cheaper, and eventually better, replacements.

My biggest issue with the 'distraction' is that this is supposedly a government-induced issue in the first place. If it's true that the anthem wasn't shown on TV prior to the 'paid patriotism' decision of the government then this whole issue is even more absurd.

Flip that switch. Do what ESPN said they're doing for MNF. Dont show the fucking anthem.

as said I don't watch a lot of football (and when I do the game has usually already started) but years ago I don't recall them showing it in the first place unless it was a big game like the super bowl.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Cacciato posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

anyone good enough to play in the nfl is a pretty good player. but I don't think he was good enough to make it controversy or not. he may have lasted a little longer without it though.

and on the if its a distraction thing, different kind of distraction rather than if its holding up the game. it has people more focused and talking about it than the game itself, and it may or may not cost some ticket sells. that kind of distraction.

Yeah, they're good enough, but there's a draft every year that keeps pumping new talent into the sport. Eventually your talent pool is gonna be filled with cheaper, and eventually better, replacements.

My biggest issue with the 'distraction' is that this is supposedly a government-induced issue in the first place. If it's true that the anthem wasn't shown on TV prior to the 'paid patriotism' decision of the government then this whole issue is even more absurd.

Flip that switch. Do what ESPN said they're doing for MNF. Dont show the fucking anthem.

as said I don't watch a lot of football (and when I do the game has usually already started) but years ago I don't recall them showing it in the first place unless it was a big game like the super bowl.

Supposedly it started around 2009 when the Department of Defense got involved. I honestly never even noticed until he started the protest (so maybe it was effective to an extent?).
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Chewster posted...

What explanation do you have for that?

Dude was drunk and waving a gun around, then made a motion that could easily be construed as reaching for a gun. I do think it could have been avoided, but I don't think it really counts as murder.

More importantly though, I had to google this to even figure out what the fuck you were talking about. Am I so significant to you that you have to bring up opinions I had on issues 6+ months ago? Get off my nuts.

PK_Spam posted...

One black man kills another, unarmed, black man. The murderer gets life in prison.

Good.

A cop shoots an unarmed black man 7 times in the back. The cop has years of training and a history of spousal abuse. The cop gets paid leave and will be back in his job in a few months.

I assume this one refers to Stephon Clark, the convicted felon who was arrested just a month prior while still on probation for robbery?

First off, unarmed is meaningless because it's a hindsight fact. Police aren't given the luxury of knowing whether or not someone is actually unarmed. Doubly so when the suspect is running from them.

Second, the entry points of the shots are still up for debate. Regardless, it doesn't matter if he was shot in the back because he still could have been pulling a gun on the police, whether or not his back was facing them. This happened because he ran from the police instead of cooperating with them, furthering their suspicion.

Third, I can't find any information regarding either of the named officers having a history of spousal abuse. Where can I find this? I'd be willing to admit that someone with an actual history of violent spousal abuse should not be a police officer.

A cop chokes and kills an unarmed black man who is guilty of selling loose cigarettes.

Would be alive and kicking if he had just complied instead of fighting.

A cop shoots and kills a child holding a toy guy. The cop claims the child looked like a grown man, and defends shooting that child multiple times with no pause.

Waving a gun around. Officers have no way of knowing it's a toy from a distance. Why is this a surprise?

A cop stops a black woman for speeding. He slams her into the ground, giving her a concussion, then takes her to jail, where she commits suicide

This is about the worst one you've mentioned, though you putting the suicide comment in quotes as though to imply they lynched her in jail is pretty moronic.

She shouldn't have been arrested, but she also would be alive if she wasn't looking to pick a fight with the police to begin with.

Most of these "victims" would be alive if they acted like normal people instead of criminals or petulant children. It all loops back to responsibility. If these people would have acted in a responsible, polite manner, they would almost assuredly be alive today. Instead, they chose to needlessly escalate situations to the point where lethal force becomes an option to a group that is authorized to use it.

PaddysPub posted...

Dont you think that he grew up going through a lot of the shit he talks about it?

Probably not, considering he was adopted by a wealthy white couple, was popular growing up, and is mixed-race enough to pass as white or black. In fact, it's almost ironic that someone who champions for the rights of blacks is a half-white man who can only pass as black by co-opting traditional black hairstyles.
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Cacciato posted...

My point is he's not Brady, he's not Rodgers. Some teams would rather work with a QB in the top 45% instead of dealing with the attention he's gonna bring to a franchise.

I meant to say bottom 40% and edited that in. As in, even if you assume he's only in the backup tier, he's gotta be better than at least six or seven other backup QBs. And again, that's at worst. He's better than some starters (maybe you can argue he isn't better than any full-season starting caliber QBs, but he sure as hell is better than guys like fucking Nathan Peterman).

AC_Dragonfire posted...

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that collusion thing just kills me. maybe if you where a bigger star QB they'd keep you around. let tom brady kneel, bet they won't toss his ass.
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Chewster posted...

Cacciato posted...

My point is he's not Brady, he's not Rodgers. Some teams would rather work with a QB in the top 45% instead of dealing with the attention he's gonna bring to a franchise.

I meant to say bottom 40% and edited that in. As in, even if you assume he's only in the backup tier, he's gotta be better than at least six or seven other backup QBs. And again, that's at worst. He's better than some starters (maybe you can argue he isn't better than any full-season starting caliber QBs, but he sure as hell is better than guys like fucking Nathan Peterman).

Oh yeah, I definitely agree with that too then. From a performance perspective I'd rather have him as a backup, since at least I knew what he was capable of, over some of these guys that are on their 5th NFL team.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

We don't want people sneaking into the country, illegally. If they do not have proper documentation to be here, then they are here, illegally.

A guy fraudulently collecting welfare with a penchant for others to be law abiding. Hilarious.
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Chewster posted...

People who try to make the excuse it has to do with his skill are fucking insane or just don't know anything about the NFL

Not really. His skills don't outweigh the distractions he brings, it's really that simple. There's no winning solution if he's on a roster, short of him going completely undefeated. Any times that he plays poorly, you'll have the anti-kneeling crowd griping. Any time that he does well, you'll have the pro-kneeling crowd trying to use it as an example. If he's a backup, you have the pro-Kaep crowd cheering to put him in the second the starter throws an incomplete pass. If he doesn't get to play as a backup, your franchise is racist.
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Rasmoh posted...

Chewster posted...

People who try to make the excuse it has to do with his skill are fucking insane or just don't know anything about the NFL

Not really. His skills don't outweigh the distractions he brings, it's really that simple. There's no winning solution if he's on a roster, short of him going completely undefeated. Any times that he plays poorly, you'll have the anti-kneeling crowd griping. Any time that he does well, you'll have the pro-kneeling crowd trying to use it as an example. If he's a backup, you have the pro-Kaep crowd cheering to put him in the second the starter throws an incomplete pass. If he doesn't get to play as a backup, your franchise is racist.

He's just not good enough. You can bet that Cam Newton would have no problems finding a team if he was kneeling.

yeah thats what I was getting at when I said brady. didn't know if the rest of people thought cam was a good QB or if it was just me being a fan of the panthers
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Jesus what kind of piece of shit do you have to be to defend every single one of those police killings.

I'm not going to answer each one in detail because it's obvious you have some sick sense of what authority grants somebody. How fucked in the head do you have to be to think that it's acceptable for all those people to be killed? Police aren't perfect people, stop acting like whatever they do is going to be right. Criminals/suspects aren't perfect either but it's insane to think that stuff like a scared drunk guy having a bunch of shit shouted at him is supposed to realize "Better not pull my pants up or I'm dead" in the heat of the moment

Like for fuck's sake not everything needs to have some kind of detailed counter-analysis of any possible minute details that vaguely support your narrative. If you can simply answer "yes" to the question of "Would the cop have been perfectly fine if they didn't shoot here?" then there's probably something wrong with what happened

Chewster posted...

Jesus what kind of piece of shit do you have to be to defend every single one of those police killings.

What kind of lunatic do you have to be to associate not appreciating political activism on the job to loving when police kill randoms?
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Cacciato posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

jramirez23 posted...

I thought he was protesting the killings of minorities by police officers... Also, how much money he makes is pretty irrelevant to what he is protesting. Also, please explain how Ghana is a "shithole."

You're right!

This is totally not a shithole!

http://www.citiesalliance.org/accra_gallery

This is literally the equivalent of someone saying all Americans are ugly big-nippled balding men, having someone disagree, and then having a picture of you posted.

Holy shit.
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Chewster posted...

Police aren't perfect people. If you can simply answer "yes" to the question of "Would the cop have been perfectly fine if they didn't shoot here?" then there's probably something wrong with what happened

Which is exactly why I sympathize with them. They are also people in a high-stress situation that demands split-second action. Would they have been fine? Probably. Do they have any realistic way to know that when in the heat of the moment? Absolutely not. To expect them to gamble their lives more than they already do is moronic. In almost every situation, the people who get shot have numerous opportunities to react in a way that won't get them shot and choose to escalate the situation instead. If it comes down to criminals escalating situations vs cops doing their job, I'm going with cops pretty much every time.

I'll even flip some for you to speak your language:

Jesus what kind of piece of shit do you have to be to expect a police officer to needlessly risk catching a bullet to the face?

If you can simply answer "yes" to the question of "Would the person have been perfectly fine if they just complied with the officer's requests?" then there's probably something wrong with what they did.
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PaddysPub posted...

Like holy shit, man, hes not disrespecting the country, flag or song in any way at all.

Really?

I understand it perfectly. I get why he does it - but it is his own fault everything is so convoluted. He chose a poor way to protest and his message was completely unclear from the start. Thus it has morphed into what it is today.

The Kaepernick issue is one that makes Whites think that African-American players who kneel during NFL games are being disrespectful to the Flag, the Anthem, the Military and the Country and that's not at all what it's about. It's about bringing attention to the senseless and countless shootings involving mostly White police officers and Black men who are almost always deemed "criminals" by Whites who support the actions of the cops.

Understand this Trump's tweets aren't about sports. It's about him reminding Black folks of their 2nd class status in America and knowing their place.


A few things should be obvious at this point. This is not about Donald Trump, though it is amazing (and somewhat amusing) that people are still debating whether or not he is a racist. Its crystal clear that he is. Trump has no dog whistles in his armory only blaring, mega-powered bullhorns. Yet many Americans voted for him, support him and will continue to do so.

The only question is what motivates them? Maybe thats a dumb and already answered question, too. This isnt really about football either. It never has been. Colin Kaepernicks exile from the NFL is not because he is a bad quarterback. NFL protests are not about the flag, anthem or the military. This is all about America and black folks knowing their place. Serve, entertain, and shut up or GET OUT (pun intended)!

kukukupo posted...

PaddysPub posted...

Like holy shit, man, hes not disrespecting the country, flag or song in any way at all.

Really?

I understand it perfectly. I get why he does it - but it is his own fault everything is so convoluted. He chose a poor way to protest and his message was completely unclear from the start. Thus it has morphed into what it is today.

It wasnt convoluted, it just triggered white america. much like the Black Lives Matter movement, they preferred to spend their energy pretending not to understand
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FrisbeeDude posted...

kukukupo posted...

PaddysPub posted...

Like holy shit, man, hes not disrespecting the country, flag or song in any way at all.

Really?

I understand it perfectly. I get why he does it - but it is his own fault everything is so convoluted. He chose a poor way to protest and his message was completely unclear from the start. Thus it has morphed into what it is today.

It wasnt convoluted, it just triggered white america. much like the Black Lives Matter movement, they preferred to spend their energy pretending not to understand

We understand that even a successful black football player has a persecution complex despite cruising it. It's not a black issue, it's a policing issue and it should be addressed as such, not only for black people.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

What kind of lunatic do you have to be to associate not appreciating political activism on the job to loving when police kill randoms?

I used the word "defend", not "love"

Rasmoh posted...

To expect them to gamble their lives more than they already do is moronic.

Their job is, statistically speaking, less life-threatening than several ordinary blue-collar jobs

Rasmoh posted...

If it comes down to criminals escalating situations vs cops doing their job, I'm going with cops pretty much every time.

"Escalating" like by trying to pull up your pants or trying to be able to breathe? Man, how dare those scumbag criminals! All the cops have to do is say something flimsy like "I feared for my safety" and it seems to get them off, even if there is a ton of evidence that the situation wasn't that dangerous. Siding with the testimony of somebody with a vested interest in lying about the situation over visual evidence is where it's truly moronic. Or maybe you're just a murder apologist, I don't know.

Are we going to get to the point where I should be fearful any time I get pulled over? After all, you never know, a cop might think I'm reaching for a gun... as I reach for my license and registration that they asked me to get. But, apparently, it's also implied in any police encounter that you aren't supposed to do anything that could be construed as getting a firearm, so... which order do I follow there?