Poll of the Day > Cop walks into wrong apartment thinking it's theirs and murders resident

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https://fox8.com/2018/09/07/police-off-duty-texas-officer-entered-wrong-apartment-shot-and-killed-resident/

The cop didn't pay attention and walked into the wrong home instead of theirs. Actual resident was home and cop saw them, freaked out and shot them in the confusion and the resident died

Instilling PTSD in trainee officers isn't a good idea.
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Because a civilian would never do this.
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Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

I don't see it in the news.
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Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Cops are trained, or supposed to be to not shoot first ask later
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She should be fired and locked up but its Texas so shell probably get six weeks of paid leave and then be found of no wrong doing
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Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

A civilian would be in jail immediately if they did this
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I don't see it in the news.

Kinda my point. This is only news because it's a cop, because it fits the agenda.

EvilMegas posted...

Cops are trained, or supposed to be to not shoot first ask later

They're trained for on the job. Cops are people, not robots.

Mead posted...

A civilian would be in jail immediately if they did this

Depends, but yes most likely. But a cop having more clout with cops and judges isn't injustice. Not being in jail is not innocence.
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Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

What point are you making with this post?

Veedrock- posted...

Kinda my point. This is only news because it's a cop, because it fits the agenda.

I hope it's the "Arm Citizens, Disarm Cops" agenda.
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But a cop having more clout with cops and judges isn't injustice.

It generally leads to it.
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Zangulus posted...

Veedrock- posted...

But a cop having more clout with cops and judges isn't injustice.

Jesus Christ.

Classic Zangulus.

They can only hold you in jail for so long, after that they need to press charges or let you go. Big reasons to hold a person in jail is suspicion of danger or flight risk. A cop is (likely) neither of those and the active duty cops know this, something they wouldn't for a random civilian. (Now, if a random civilian was related to or tight with the cops on duty, they'd probably be able to swing the same leeway.)

Even if they pressed charges, they're not required to hold the suspect in jail, they can be released on bail. Bail is not equal for every person, it's determined by a number of factors including the two mentioned above, employment status, community status, and more. Cops are not exempt from jail, but a cop has a better standing on pretty much all bail factors, so the likelihood of them staying in jail for a non-heinous crime are slim to none.

Not sure why I'm explaining any of this to you since you're always hellbent on having the last word. At least try to make it more than two this time.
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Why didn't her reticle show green?
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

What point are you making with this post?

Evidently that it's ok for cops to randomly kill people accidentally because there's a possibility that a civilian could walk into a home that's not his own and shoot the homeowner out of confused fear?

Bootlickers will bend over backwards to excuse those wearing said boots
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Veedrock- posted...

They're trained for on the job. Cops are people, not robots.

Right, because welders forget how to weld when they get home.

Veedrock- posted...

the likelihood of them staying in jail for a non-heinous crime are slim to none.

Murdering innocents in their homes is about as heinous as it gets.
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BADoglick posted...

Evidently that it's ok

I never said that. If you have to put words in my mouth to make an argument then you've already lost champ.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Veedrock- posted...

They're trained for on the job. Cops are people, not robots.

Right, because welders forget how to weld when they get home.

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.
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Of course, if the victim had a gun and shot the cop in self defense (not knowing they were a cop) THEY'D get the maximum punishment
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Lokarin posted...

Of course, if the victim had a gun and shot the cop in self defense (not knowing they were a cop) THEY'D get the maximum punishment

They absolutely wouldn't and you know it Lokarin. Why are you stirring the pot?
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Veedrock- posted...

Lokarin posted...

Of course, if the victim had a gun and shot the cop in self defense (not knowing they were a cop) THEY'D get the maximum punishment

They absolutely wouldn't and you know it Lokarin. Why are you stirring the pot?

Show me a time when a cop was killed in self defense and the victim wasn't punished severely.
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That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.

Kinda like how an innocent person doesnt sit at home and expect a cop to suddenly walk into their living room and shoot them dead
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Veedrock- posted...

Lokarin posted...

Of course, if the victim had a gun and shot the cop in self defense (not knowing they were a cop) THEY'D get the maximum punishment

They absolutely wouldn't and you know it Lokarin. Why are you stirring the pot?

They absolutely would because all law enforcement would label them a cop killer and stack the deck against them
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Mead posted...

She should be fired and locked up but its Texas so shell probably get six weeks of paid leave and then be found of no wrong doing

It's Texas, so she should be executed.

But yeah, she's also a cop so she probably won't get any jail at all because she "feared for her life."

And why the FUCK is she not named in the report? No private citizen who did this would get such a luxury! And of course, obligatory paid leave for her while they figure out how to get her off the hook.

Veedrock- posted...

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.

A welder is perfectly capable of welding on or off work with the correct tools, a police officer is perfectly capable
of dealing with potentially criminal encounters on or off work. Police officers don't forget the best way to de-escalate a situation when they're off-duty. They also don't expect to be faced with lethal burglars when they're on the job, so you can't call on surprise either.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Show me a time when a cop was killed in self defense and the victim wasn't punished severely.

You're changing the criteria. It's not just self defense, it's the conditions Lokarin listed. I hate playing this card but burden of proof is on you guys making the claim.

Mead posted...

Kinda like how an innocent person doesnt sit at home and expect a cop to suddenly walk into their living room and shoot them dead

Exactly, it'd be weirder if the guy at home was sitting at the front door with a shotgun ready.

...wait, what's your point here?

Anyways I'm done, yall enjoy the circlejerk. Just remember that in exactly zero of my posts did I say the cop is innocent or shouldn't be punished.

Quick edit: Mead posted...

That its the cops fault and they should be charged as such, the thing that everyone in this topic with common sense is claiming

Of course it's the cop's fault and she should be charged. But it's not her fault because she's a cop.
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Exactly, it'd be weirder if the guy at home was sitting at the front door with a shotgun ready.

...wait, what's your point here?

That its the cops fault and they should be charged as such, the thing that everyone in this topic with common sense is claiming
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Veedrock- posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Show me a time when a cop was killed in self defense and the victim wasn't punished severely.

You're changing the criteria. It's not just self defense, it's the conditions Lokarin listed. I hate playing this card but burden of proof is on you guys making the claim.

Mead posted...

Kinda like how an innocent person doesnt sit at home and expect a cop to suddenly walk into their living room and shoot them dead

Exactly, it'd be weirder if the guy at home was sitting at the front door with a shotgun ready.

...wait, what's your point here?

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2554-6-things-you-learn-after-shooting-cop-in-self-defense.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

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But there is a counter-example:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1871644-States-making-it-legal-to-shoot-cops-in-self-defense
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Veedrock- posted...

You're changing the criteria. It's not just self defense, it's the conditions Lokarin listed.

What's changed exactly?

Veedrock- posted...

I hate playing this card but burden of proof is on you guys making the claim.

You can believe what you want, the burden of proof is on you if you want to change my mind.
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Veedrock- posted...

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.

You don't think welders weld at home? If they have the tools, they probably will...
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Veedrock- posted...

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.

She didn't encounter danger. She encountered some dude hanging out in his own home.
Your comparison is terrible, mostly because you called the situation "danger" like a good little boot-licker, but also because it's not accurate to what occurred.
Here, I'll fix it for you:
Veedrock- posted...

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home expecting to shoot someone.

Because that's what a cop's job is to you, isn't it? To shoot people. That's all she did here, and you're treating what she did as if it's overtime work doing the same mundane tasks she'd be doing on the clock.

Veedrock- posted...

BADoglick posted...

Evidently that it's ok

I never said that. If you have to put words in my mouth to make an argument then you've already lost champ.

You're defending the guy who murdered an innocent person. Just because you don't explicitly say that it's ok, your attempts to excuse the actions speak volumes.
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Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

I got into the wrong car one time

Not house though
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

My mom and me walked into the wrong apartment when I was like 5. She had just got off work and was tired and parked at the wrong building

It was really scary we left right away, dont know if anyone was there or not
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Doctor Foxx posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

I got into the wrong car one time

Not house though

I've done the car thing, too. It was like a 2 cars down from mine. But then I noticed the seat covers...

I haven't done apartment, but I almost have. They had told me the where it was, but said the wrong number of doors down. I turned the knob and it was unlocked, but before I opened it, the other person said not that one. So, almost. But I don't think I would do it with my own home... probably...
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LinkPizza posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

I got into the wrong car one time

Not house though

I've done the car thing, too. It was like a 2 cars down from mine. But then I noticed the seat covers...

I haven't done apartment, but I almost have. They had told me the where it was, but said the wrong number of doors down. I turned the knob and it was unlocked, but before I opened it, the other person said not that one. So, almost. But I don't think I would do it with my own home... probably...

Well I was a passenger, it was dark and snowy and I was returning to a running car, so I opened the door and went to sit in the passenger seat and wondered why it was covered in garbage. I noticed the driver was a stranger. We both screamed. I said "sorry wrong car!"

Sorry person glad you didn't have a gun
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I onced walked into the wrong house and wrong dinner party. They noticed I was carrying a lot of beer and said that I could stay. No screaming or shooting.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I onced walked into the wrong house and wrong dinner party. They noticed I was carrying a lot of beer and said that I could stay. No screaming or shooting.

A couple times, I have gone to parties and thought I was in the wrong place when I didn't recognize anyone...
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LinkPizza posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I onced walked into the wrong house and wrong dinner party. They noticed I was carrying a lot of beer and said that I could stay. No screaming or shooting.

A couple times, I have gone to parties and thought I was in the wrong place when I didn't recognize anyone...

I got all the way to the kitchen (damn row homes and identical layouts) and notice 8 strangers around their table. Oops!
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What are the chances neighbors will say they had a prior history of conflict? This is gonna get juicy.
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TES_Nut posted...

What are the chances neighbors will say they had a prior history of conflict? This is gonna get juicy.

I was wondering this, too...

Either way, she should go to jail...
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Veedrock- posted...

Of course it's the cop's fault and she should be charged. But it's not her fault because she's a cop.

It's because she is a cop that she is sitting at home drinking cocktails while anyone else would be in a jail cell awaiting trial for murder.

This is fishy. How did she get inside the apartment that wasn't even hers? And aren't there numbers next to the door? Also, don't people's places usually have different furniture layouts or even smells? She probably saw that the man (Botham Shem Jean) was black and got scared as hell, and decided to shoot him first and ask questions later.
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jramirez23 posted...

She probably saw that the man (Botham Shem Jean) was black and got scared as hell, and decided to shoot him first and ask questions later.

Don't racialise it pointlessly.
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jramirez23 posted...

This is fishy. How did she get inside the apartment that wasn't even hers? And aren't there numbers next to the door? Also, don't people's places usually have different furniture layouts or even smells? She probably saw that the man (Botham Shem Jean) was black and got scared as hell, and decided to shoot him first and ask questions later.

I was about to say the same thing about the furniture. For how she got in, it's possible she just opened the door. Some people don't always have the door locked. Maybe he was expecting someone or had just got home a few minutes ago. There are may reasons the door may have been unlocked. Though he furniture things does bug me. But maybe it was one of those pre-furnished apartments. Still could have had a different layout, though.
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And the victim was a black man

Because fucking of course he was


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I'm picturing him being extremely confused when he died

Poor guy

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Quick question, has anybody here ever wandered into the wrong house before, whether apartment or not?

Nope, although I'm sure I encountered a locked door (or the key wouldn't work) if I did try to do it so, at worst, I would have knocked on the wrong door.

Mead posted...

And the victim was a black man

Because fucking of course he was

Because it would be better if the victim was white? That's just stupid race-baiting.
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Because it would be better if the victim was white?

It certainly wouldnt be as predictable

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Werent you just complaining about victim blaming in another topic
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