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s0nicfan 09/08/18 1:31:19 PM #52:	People had problems with bayonetta, too. He shouldn't even have to answer these types of questions, because there will never be an acceptable answer for them. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:908350652] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>People had problems with bayonetta, too. He shouldn't even have to answer these types of questions, because there will never be an acceptable answer for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 09/08/18 1:34:07 PM #53:	Prestoff posted... Majority of the cast in KoF are forgettable compared to other series like Street Fighter and Blaz Blu. I don't know about that. In fact when you bring in BlazBlue (which really ramps up the anime compared to GG) my BS meter starts acting up. Some of that cast is derivative at times, but they clearly reference anime pop culture. Other designs, like Es, are just kind of creatively bankrupt. I actually like playing the character, but she's a Saber variant in a media environment saturated with Saber clones, oh and she's a big breasted loli emotionless girl who secretly obsesses over sweets. Please just kill me now; GG would never. Compare that to KOF, with distinct character designs. Most of the KOF members from the original games are still kicking around with like twenty years of gaming history on them. The designs get redone occasionally (like Kyo's jacket from 94, 99, and XI). Sometimes we just touch up the graphics, (Kim's graphic redesign in 02 was excellent, and his XIII is fucking hypnotic). But in the end these are still clearly those cast members from 1994 and if you've been playing KOF from any time prior to XI, you'll clock them at a glance. Who among the KOF cast is forgettable? The awful "Original Zero" mess in 01, I'll grant. The Kyo clones from 99 were as much about the nostalgia of getting to play 94 Kyo and 98 Kyo alongside their new 99 Kyo as they were their admittedly thin plot, but the connections and fanservice kind of justified it to me. We don't talk about Maximum Impact, it's barely even a KOF game in spirit. And I really can't think of any other examples of major cast flubs, let alone most of the cast not being memorable. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:908350814] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote>Majority of the cast in KoF are forgettable compared to other series like Street Fighter and Blaz Blu.</quote> I don't know about that. In fact when you bring in BlazBlue (which really ramps up the anime compared to GG) my BS meter starts acting up. Some of that cast is derivative at times, but they clearly reference anime pop culture. Other designs, like Es, are just kind of creatively bankrupt. I actually like playing the character, but she's a Saber variant in a media environment saturated with Saber clones, oh and she's a big breasted loli emotionless girl who secretly obsesses over sweets. Please just kill me now; GG would never. Compare that to KOF, with distinct character designs. Most of the KOF members from the original games are still kicking around with like twenty years of gaming history on them. The designs get redone occasionally (like Kyo's jacket from 94, 99, and XI). Sometimes we just touch up the graphics, (Kim's graphic redesign in 02 was excellent, and his XIII is fucking hypnotic). But in the end these are still clearly those cast members from 1994 and if you've been playing KOF from any time prior to XI, you'll clock them at a glance. Who among the KOF cast is forgettable? The awful "Original Zero" mess in 01, I'll grant. The Kyo clones from 99 were as much about the nostalgia of getting to play 94 Kyo and 98 Kyo alongside their new 99 Kyo as they were their admittedly thin plot, but the connections and fanservice kind of justified it to me. We don't talk about Maximum Impact, it's barely even a KOF game in spirit. And I really can't think of any other examples of major cast flubs, let alone most of the cast not being memorable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trigger_Volnutt 09/08/18 1:35:40 PM #54:	Slow your role, son. We quickly forget Regulation A is the only good MI title. Continue on. --- Ray Allen can drop 7 3pointers im not even going to calculate how many points that is ~ CelticsHomerPro <cite>Trigger_Volnutt posted [p:908350891] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Slow your role, son. We quickly forget Regulation A is the only good MI title. Continue on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 09/08/18 1:38:32 PM #55:	This game looks great tbh. I don't see the problem >_> More boobs = more fun --- https://imgur.com/nlaY1qH https://imgur.com/zHJ1OCo https://imgur.com/btBPP4E https://imgur.com/1B3bMHw https://i.imgtc.com/oBtziLb.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:908351044] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>This game looks great tbh. I don't see the problem >_> More boobs = more fun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame Zero 09/08/18 1:39:08 PM #56:	Yeah, this isn't going to go anywhere. Outcry for the depiction of females in Japanese games and anime is pointless. It can be creepy, but it's part of their culture. Western society isn't changing Japan's shit. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:908351079] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, this isn't going to go anywhere. Outcry for the depiction of females in Japanese games and anime is pointless. It can be creepy, but it's part of their culture. Western society isn't changing Japan's shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trigger_Volnutt 09/08/18 1:40:17 PM #57:	NeonOctopus posted... This game looks great tbh. I don't see the problem >_> More boobs = more fun I played some sets with my Switch-owning buddy. The game gets old in under an hour. It has zero sense of longevity. --- Ray Allen can drop 7 3pointers im not even going to calculate how many points that is ~ CelticsHomerPro <cite>Trigger_Volnutt posted [p:908351133] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>This game looks great tbh. I don't see the problem >_> More boobs = more fun</quote> I played some sets with my Switch-owning buddy. The game gets old in under an hour. It has zero sense of longevity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 09/08/18 1:40:59 PM #58:	StarLightGlimmR posted... iPhone_7 posted... lolololo Why is she a cow? She doesn't have big boobs. >Mai Shiranui >Not having big boobs Bruh Bruh Are you literally high right now!? --- https://imgur.com/nlaY1qH https://imgur.com/zHJ1OCo https://imgur.com/btBPP4E https://imgur.com/1B3bMHw https://i.imgtc.com/oBtziLb.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:908351169] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>StarLightGlimmR posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote> lolololo</quote> Why is she a cow? She doesn't have big boobs.</quote> >Mai Shiranui >Not having big boobs Bruh Bruh Are you literally high right now!?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 09/08/18 1:41:01 PM #59:	Trigger_Volnutt posted... Slow your role, son. We quickly forget Regulation A is the only good MI title. Continue on. From an artistic design standpoint, it's got some pretty memorable rough spots. I don't think any of the new cast members are particularly great, and it's too bad because then KOF XI comes out and we're suddenly back on track with detailed sprites animation cycles (though nothing SF3 level crazy) and characters wearing outfits with a lot of personality. It's like that guy was on vacation for the whole dev cycle or something. And do we want to bring up that four part anime they used to try and advertise the KOF:MI spinoff? --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:908351171] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigger_Volnutt posted...</cite> <quote>Slow your role, son. We quickly forget Regulation A is the only good MI title. Continue on.</quote> From an artistic design standpoint, it's got some pretty memorable rough spots. I don't think any of the new cast members are particularly great, and it's too bad because then KOF XI comes out and we're suddenly back on track with detailed sprites animation cycles (though nothing SF3 level crazy) and characters wearing outfits with a lot of personality. It's like that guy was on vacation for the whole dev cycle or something. And do we want to bring up that four part anime they used to try and advertise the KOF:MI spinoff?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 09/08/18 2:08:39 PM #60:	hollow_shrine posted... Prestoff posted... Majority of the cast in KoF are forgettable compared to other series like Street Fighter and Blaz Blu. I don't know about that. In fact when you bring in BlazBlue (which really ramps up the anime compared to GG) my BS meter starts acting up. Some of that cast is derivative at times, but they clearly reference anime pop culture. Other designs, like Es, are just kind of creatively bankrupt. I actually like playing the character, but she's a Saber variant in a media environment saturated with Saber clones, oh and she's a big breasted loli emotionless girl who secretly obsesses over sweets. Please just kill me now; GG would never. Compare that to KOF, with distinct character designs. Most of the KOF members from the original games are still kicking around with like twenty years of gaming history on them. The designs get redone occasionally (like Kyo's jacket from 94, 99, and XI). Sometimes we just touch up the graphics, (Kim's graphic redesign in 02 was excellent, and his XIII is fucking hypnotic). But in the end these are still clearly those cast members from 1994 and if you've been playing KOF from any time prior to XI, you'll clock them at a glance. Who among the KOF cast is forgettable? The awful "Original Zero" mess in 01, I'll grant. The Kyo clones from 99 were as much about the nostalgia of getting to play 94 Kyo and 98 Kyo alongside their new 99 Kyo as they were their admittedly thin plot, but the connections and fanservice kind of justified it to me. We don't talk about Maximum Impact, it's barely even a KOF game in spirit. And I really can't think of any other examples of major cast flubs, let alone most of the cast not being memorable. Eh, I'll just call it a lost on my part. You got it down. Trigger_Volnutt posted... I played some sets with my Switch-owning buddy. The game gets old in under an hour. It has zero sense of longevity. Yeah, it's longevity strategy is trying to unlock the cosmetics in this game, but that will get old really fast. I don't get it though, the gameplay for KoF14 was just fine on its own, why did they think there was a need to change it? The game plays like a mess, I mean at least it's a little more smooth compare to other casual games like Blade Strangers, but still. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:908352565] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote>Majority of the cast in KoF are forgettable compared to other series like Street Fighter and Blaz Blu.</quote> I don't know about that. In fact when you bring in BlazBlue (which really ramps up the anime compared to GG) my BS meter starts acting up. Some of that cast is derivative at times, but they clearly reference anime pop culture. Other designs, like Es, are just kind of creatively bankrupt. I actually like playing the character, but she's a Saber variant in a media environment saturated with Saber clones, oh and she's a big breasted loli emotionless girl who secretly obsesses over sweets. Please just kill me now; GG would never. Compare that to KOF, with distinct character designs. Most of the KOF members from the original games are still kicking around with like twenty years of gaming history on them. The designs get redone occasionally (like Kyo's jacket from 94, 99, and XI). Sometimes we just touch up the graphics, (Kim's graphic redesign in 02 was excellent, and his XIII is fucking hypnotic). But in the end these are still clearly those cast members from 1994 and if you've been playing KOF from any time prior to XI, you'll clock them at a glance. Who among the KOF cast is forgettable? The awful "Original Zero" mess in 01, I'll grant. The Kyo clones from 99 were as much about the nostalgia of getting to play 94 Kyo and 98 Kyo alongside their new 99 Kyo as they were their admittedly thin plot, but the connections and fanservice kind of justified it to me. We don't talk about Maximum Impact, it's barely even a KOF game in spirit. And I really can't think of any other examples of major cast flubs, let alone most of the cast not being memorable.</quote> Eh, I'll just call it a lost on my part. You got it down. <cite>Trigger_Volnutt posted...</cite> <quote>I played some sets with my Switch-owning buddy. The game gets old in under an hour. It has zero sense of longevity.</quote> Yeah, it's longevity strategy is trying to unlock the cosmetics in this game, but that will get old really fast. I don't get it though, the gameplay for KoF14 was just fine on its own, why did they think there was a need to change it? The game plays like a mess, I mean at least it's a little more smooth compare to other casual games like Blade Strangers, but still.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 09/08/18 2:09:44 PM #61:	Feminists once again proving they've got no important issues to focus on. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:908352627] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Feminists once again proving they've got no important issues to focus on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FightingGames 09/08/18 2:10:01 PM #62:	based SNK --- https://my.mixtape.moe/whapui.webm <cite>FightingGames posted [p:908352642] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>based SNK</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 09/08/18 2:32:30 PM #63:	Hayame Zero posted... Western society isn't changing Japan's shit. thank God --- https://imgtc.com/i/uBYqPMK.gif https://imgtc.com/i/UAGNJFv.gif https://imgtc.com/i/cBTnWgf.png https://imgtc.com/i/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:908353841] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hayame Zero posted...</cite> <quote>Western society isn't changing Japan's shit.</quote> thank God</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PonyLivesMatter 09/09/18 7:08:06 PM #65:	They dont look big in that pic^ Edit: I watched gameplay footage and the outfits are hardly worth crying about. The latest Soul Caliber games have better lewd. --- Hooves Up, Don't Shoot! http://error1355.com/ce/PonyLivesMatter.html <cite>PonyLivesMatter posted [p:908428443] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>They dont look big in that pic^ Edit: I watched gameplay footage and the outfits are hardly worth crying about. The latest Soul Caliber games have better lewd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 09/09/18 7:08:54 PM #66:	Kelystic posted... but we dont feel like its overly sexualized. Liar lol You know that's entirely the point dude. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:908428495] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kelystic posted...</cite> <quote>but we dont feel like its overly sexualized.</quote> Liar lol You know that's entirely the point dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperShake666 09/09/18 7:09:08 PM #67:	Big titted women in cow outfits is one of my favorite fetishes. --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber <cite>SuperShake666 posted [p:908428504] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Big titted women in cow outfits is one of my favorite fetishes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 09/10/18 8:09:53 PM #68:	Pretty funny how extreme 3rd wave feminism has adopted the right's puritanism. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:908496687] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Pretty funny how extreme 3rd wave feminism has adopted the right's puritanism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 09/11/18 9:09:34 AM #69:	GiftedACIII posted... Pretty funny how extreme 3rd wave feminism has adopted the right's puritanism. Sex, like drugs and alcohol, represents the desire for personal satisfaction. Politicians hate it because they don't want you to be satisfied. They want you agitated and willing to listen to their bullshit. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:908525738] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty funny how extreme 3rd wave feminism has adopted the right's puritanism.</quote> Sex, like drugs and alcohol, represents the desire for personal satisfaction. Politicians hate it because they don't want you to be satisfied. They want you agitated and willing to listen to their bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hicks233 09/11/18 9:34:13 AM #70:	The response I would have loved to have seen: "Fuck off and go suck a bag of dicks. Tits are great. Don't like it? Don't buy it." As soon as you give these people an inch they'll demand a mile and even then, they'll never be happy. Just tell them to fuck off. --- http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=9458 So says Mr. Stewart. <cite>Hicks233 posted [p:908526714] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>The response I would have loved to have seen: "Fuck off and go suck a bag of dicks. Tits are great. Don't like it? Don't buy it." As soon as you give these people an inch they'll demand a mile and even then, they'll never be happy. Just tell them to fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 09/11/18 9:36:19 AM #71:	Hicks233 posted... The response I would have loved to have seen: "Fuck off and go suck a bag of dicks. Tits are great. Don't like it? Don't buy it." As soon as you give these people an inch they'll demand a mile and even then, they'll never be happy. Just tell them to fuck off. In a very cynical way, I would've respected this more. If you wanna make anime boob games for the purposes of raiding 13 year old and foreveralones wallets, just own that shit. --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:908526800] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>The response I would have loved to have seen: "Fuck off and go suck a bag of dicks. Tits are great. Don't like it? Don't buy it." As soon as you give these people an inch they'll demand a mile and even then, they'll never be happy. Just tell them to fuck off.</quote> In a very cynical way, I would've respected this more. If you wanna make anime boob games for the purposes of raiding 13 year old and foreveralones wallets, just own that shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
untrustful 09/11/18 9:37:21 AM #72:	omg these lib sjws are trying to stop free speech and free expression im so mad i will buy 3 copies of this game and just urrgrgrgrgrhhr i hate libs so smuch errrr --- My Mario Maker Levels https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/untrustful?type=posted <cite>untrustful posted [p:908526839] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>omg these lib sjws are trying to stop free speech and free expression im so mad i will buy 3 copies of this game and just urrgrgrgrgrhhr i hate libs so smuch errrr</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/11/18 9:41:14 AM #73:	MrMallard posted... Like can you see why that reason might not be seen as okay? Honestly, no. Please explain it to me. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:908527009] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote>Like can you see why that reason might not be seen as okay?</quote> Honestly, no. Please explain it to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/11/18 9:52:46 AM #74:	It weirds me out how the fetish costume is the "default" and you have to buy their "standard" costume as an extra unlock. Like, if you want to make it default in the Story Mode, whatever, if it helps the narrative, but leave Versus Mode with the classics so people can play the characters they love how they love them. Unless, of course, this was not made as a proper SNK fighting game to begin with, which, after watching the Super Best Friends play it, might in fact be the case. >_> Beyond that, I agree with so many other people in this topic when Oda saying "Theyre not just wearing these costumes because we wanted them to.", he's being super disingenuous. Be honest about making your anime titty game, man. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:908527496] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>It weirds me out how the fetish costume is the "default" and you have to buy their "standard" costume as an extra unlock. Like, if you want to make it default in the Story Mode, whatever, if it helps the narrative, but leave Versus Mode with the classics so people can play the characters they love how they love them. Unless, of course, this was not made as a proper SNK fighting game to begin with, which, after watching the Super Best Friends play it, might in fact be the case. >_> Beyond that, I agree with so many other people in this topic when Oda saying "Theyre not just wearing these costumes because we wanted them to.", he's being super disingenuous. Be honest about making your anime titty game, man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wil_Knights 09/11/18 10:11:47 AM #75:	untrustful posted... omg these lib sjws are trying to stop free speech and free expression im so mad i will buy 3 copies of this game and just urrgrgrgrgrhhr i hate libs so smuch errrr This, except replace lib sjws with alt right and this game with nike shoes. --- SaGa Frontier is my favorite game series :) <cite>Wil_Knights posted [p:908528381] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>untrustful posted...</cite> <quote>omg these lib sjws are trying to stop free speech and free expression im so mad i will buy 3 copies of this game and just urrgrgrgrgrhhr i hate libs so smuch errrr</quote> This, except replace lib sjws with alt right and this game with nike shoes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 09/11/18 10:13:26 AM #76:	As a female who buys lots of fanservice games, I'm all for these games. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:908528463] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>As a female who buys lots of fanservice games, I'm all for these games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 09/11/18 8:08:26 PM #77:	CyricZ posted... Unless, of course, this was not made as a proper SNK fighting game to begin with, which, after watching the Super Best Friends play it, might in fact be the case. >_> Its weird that they butchered the gameplay so hard here. Like couldn't they just keep the same gameplay from KoF14 and done other stuff like improve the graphics? It seems to me they put a lot of emphasis on chipping the gameplay and barely don't anything to improve the visuals. What's funnier is that there are other indie fighting games that are going for the "casual" gameplay as well but are a lot more refined like Blade Strangers, Pocket Rumble, and Fantasy Strike and they charge at a cheaper price than this game that barely has any content. There is only 3 costumes for each character, with one of them being their default costume, like what kind of fanservice game is that? It couldn't even do that part right. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:908561959] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> Unless, of course, this was not made as a proper SNK fighting game to begin with, which, after watching the Super Best Friends play it, might in fact be the case. >_></quote> Its weird that they butchered the gameplay so hard here. Like couldn't they just keep the same gameplay from KoF14 and done other stuff like improve the graphics? It seems to me they put a lot of emphasis on chipping the gameplay and barely don't anything to improve the visuals. What's funnier is that there are other indie fighting games that are going for the "casual" gameplay as well but are a lot more refined like Blade Strangers, Pocket Rumble, and Fantasy Strike and they charge at a cheaper price than this game that barely has any content. There is only 3 costumes for each character, with one of them being their default costume, like what kind of fanservice game is that? It couldn't even do that part right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 09/11/18 9:31:46 PM #78:	Balrog0 posted... MrMallard posted... Like can you see why that reason might not be seen as okay? Honestly, no. Please explain it to me. The fanservice in this game is particularly trashy because the characters are depicted as disliking the costumes. You see all of these characters with their tits out, all these jiggle physics and cute accessories and thongs and shit, and they're all embarrassed and humiliated and shit. From a social justice standpoint, that's degrading and just shit fanservice. I personally think it's shit fanservice because if the characters involved aren't into it, it feels really fake and desperate - same reason why I don't like porn where it's just two actors going through the motions, it feels hollow and fake to watch. Bayonetta gets less flak because while she's presenting in a revealing and oversexualised way, she's clearly down for that. She's doing all of this twisting and grinding and dumb stripper dance moves as she kills demons, she's very outgoing with her innuendos and she isn't afraid to just fuck with people and flirt her ass off. Her default costume is sex appeal because she feels confident rocking sex appeal - there's no scene in either Bayonetta game where her clothes get torn into ribbons and she has to modestly cover herself in embarassment, nor where she's forced into particularly slutty clothes against her will. Maybe something like that happens in Bayonetta 2, I never finished the game so excuse me if I'm wrong on that front, but for the most part Bayonetta is accepted as a fanservice character because she embraces her sex appeal. Something just feels skeevy about fanservice where the person being objectified is like "n-no, this is so embarrassing! why do I have to wear these clothes?!". The characters aren't real people, so I mean go off about how worrying about the feelings of fictional characters is dumb I guess, but the context in which fanservice is presented is what drives a lot of these arguments. Of course some people still demonise Bayonetta as a character designed to evoke the male gaze, but there's more of an acceptance due to her personality as a character and context in which she's depicted in a sexually appealing light. SNK Heroines' approach to fanservice, in comparison, is cheap, disingenuous and skeezy. Why the characters had to be forced into skimpy clothes by a villain against their will is beyond me, and it's that context that has led to the game drawing heat for its fanservice. --- I still hear trains at night, when the wind is right. Now playing: Fortnite (NS), Stardew Valley, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, Borderlands <cite>MrMallard posted [p:908567128] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote>Like can you see why that reason might not be seen as okay?</quote> Honestly, no. Please explain it to me.</quote> The fanservice in this game is particularly trashy because the characters are depicted as disliking the costumes. You see all of these characters with their tits out, all these jiggle physics and cute accessories and thongs and shit, and they're all embarrassed and humiliated and shit. From a social justice standpoint, that's degrading and just shit fanservice. I personally think it's shit fanservice because if the characters involved aren't into it, it feels really fake and desperate - same reason why I don't like porn where it's just two actors going through the motions, it feels hollow and fake to watch. Bayonetta gets less flak because while she's presenting in a revealing and oversexualised way, she's clearly down for that. She's doing all of this twisting and grinding and dumb stripper dance moves as she kills demons, she's very outgoing with her innuendos and she isn't afraid to just fuck with people and flirt her ass off. Her default costume is sex appeal because she feels confident rocking sex appeal - there's no scene in either Bayonetta game where her clothes get torn into ribbons and she has to modestly cover herself in embarassment, nor where she's forced into particularly slutty clothes against her will. Maybe something like that happens in Bayonetta 2, I never finished the game so excuse me if I'm wrong on that front, but for the most part Bayonetta is accepted as a fanservice character because she embraces her sex appeal. Something just feels skeevy about fanservice where the person being objectified is like "n-no, this is so embarrassing! why do I have to wear these clothes?!". The characters aren't real people, so I mean go off about how worrying about the feelings of fictional characters is dumb I guess, but the context in which fanservice is presented is what drives a lot of these arguments. Of course some people still demonise Bayonetta as a character designed to evoke the male gaze, but there's more of an acceptance due to her personality as a character and context in which she's depicted in a sexually appealing light. SNK Heroines' approach to fanservice, in comparison, is cheap, disingenuous and skeezy. Why the characters had to be forced into skimpy clothes by a villain against their will is beyond me, and it's that context that has led to the game drawing heat for its fanservice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irregardless 09/12/18 12:50:06 PM #80:	Hicks233 posted... "Don't like it? Don't buy it." But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown <cite>Irregardless posted [p:908601824] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>"Don't like it? Don't buy it."</quote> But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/12/18 12:50:57 PM #81:	Disrespectfully flat. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:908601864] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>Disrespectfully flat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/12/18 12:50:58 PM #82:	Irregardless posted... Hicks233 posted... "Don't like it? Don't buy it." But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:908601865] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>"Don't like it? Don't buy it."</quote> But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown</quote> Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 09/12/18 12:51:47 PM #83:	s0nicfan posted... Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that. He's saying the producer should have said that though. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:908601911] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that.</quote> He's saying the producer should have said that though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/12/18 12:54:31 PM #84:	Irregardless posted... s0nicfan posted... Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that. He's saying the producer should have said that though. Ah okay, missed that part. My bad. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:908602077] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Because there's a significant difference between one consumer telling another consumer that, and a business telling its own customers that.</quote> He's saying the producer should have said that though.</quote> Ah okay, missed that part. My bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 09/12/18 1:34:06 PM #85:	lol @ soy-based thought patterns --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:908604385] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>lol @ soy-based thought patterns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/12/18 1:51:23 PM #86:	MrMallard posted... The fanservice in this game is particularly trashy because the characters are depicted as disliking the costumes. You see all of these characters with their tits out, all these jiggle physics and cute accessories and thongs and shit, and they're all embarrassed and humiliated and shit. From a social justice standpoint, that's degrading and just shit fanservice. I personally think it's shit fanservice because if the characters involved aren't into it, it feels really fake and desperate - same reason why I don't like porn where it's just two actors going through the motions, it feels hollow and fake to watch. Bayonetta gets less flak because while she's presenting in a revealing and oversexualised way, she's clearly down for that. She's doing all of this twisting and grinding and dumb stripper dance moves as she kills demons, she's very outgoing with her innuendos and she isn't afraid to just fuck with people and flirt her ass off. Her default costume is sex appeal because she feels confident rocking sex appeal - there's no scene in either Bayonetta game where her clothes get torn into ribbons and she has to modestly cover herself in embarassment, nor where she's forced into particularly slutty clothes against her will. Maybe something like that happens in Bayonetta 2, I never finished the game so excuse me if I'm wrong on that front, but for the most part Bayonetta is accepted as a fanservice character because she embraces her sex appeal. Something just feels skeevy about fanservice where the person being objectified is like "n-no, this is so embarrassing! why do I have to wear these clothes?!". The characters aren't real people, so I mean go off about how worrying about the feelings of fictional characters is dumb I guess, but the context in which fanservice is presented is what drives a lot of these arguments. Of course some people still demonise Bayonetta as a character designed to evoke the male gaze, but there's more of an acceptance due to her personality as a character and context in which she's depicted in a sexually appealing light. SNK Heroines' approach to fanservice, in comparison, is cheap, disingenuous and skeezy. Why the characters had to be forced into skimpy clothes by a villain against their will is beyond me, and it's that context that has led to the game drawing heat for its fanservice. I guess I get where you're coming from, but also don't really understand it at the same time. The focus on what the characters like seems entirely beside the point to me. Idk man, I'm not being intentionally obtuse but its hard for me to get into this mindset --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:908605414] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote>The fanservice in this game is particularly trashy because the characters are depicted as disliking the costumes. You see all of these characters with their tits out, all these jiggle physics and cute accessories and thongs and shit, and they're all embarrassed and humiliated and shit. From a social justice standpoint, that's degrading and just shit fanservice. I personally think it's shit fanservice because if the characters involved aren't into it, it feels really fake and desperate - same reason why I don't like porn where it's just two actors going through the motions, it feels hollow and fake to watch. Bayonetta gets less flak because while she's presenting in a revealing and oversexualised way, she's clearly down for that. She's doing all of this twisting and grinding and dumb stripper dance moves as she kills demons, she's very outgoing with her innuendos and she isn't afraid to just fuck with people and flirt her ass off. Her default costume is sex appeal because she feels confident rocking sex appeal - there's no scene in either Bayonetta game where her clothes get torn into ribbons and she has to modestly cover herself in embarassment, nor where she's forced into particularly slutty clothes against her will. Maybe something like that happens in Bayonetta 2, I never finished the game so excuse me if I'm wrong on that front, but for the most part Bayonetta is accepted as a fanservice character because she embraces her sex appeal. Something just feels skeevy about fanservice where the person being objectified is like "n-no, this is so embarrassing! why do I have to wear these clothes?!". The characters aren't real people, so I mean go off about how worrying about the feelings of fictional characters is dumb I guess, but the context in which fanservice is presented is what drives a lot of these arguments. Of course some people still demonise Bayonetta as a character designed to evoke the male gaze, but there's more of an acceptance due to her personality as a character and context in which she's depicted in a sexually appealing light. SNK Heroines' approach to fanservice, in comparison, is cheap, disingenuous and skeezy. Why the characters had to be forced into skimpy clothes by a villain against their will is beyond me, and it's that context that has led to the game drawing heat for its fanservice.</quote> I guess I get where you're coming from, but also don't really understand it at the same time. The focus on what the characters like seems entirely beside the point to me. Idk man, I'm not being intentionally obtuse but its hard for me to get into this mindset</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/12/18 1:59:08 PM #87:	stop giving these people attention --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:908605939] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote>stop giving these people attention</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 09/13/18 8:33:30 AM #88:	Balrog0 posted... I guess I get where you're coming from, but also don't really understand it at the same time. The focus on what the characters like seems entirely beside the point to me. Idk man, I'm not being intentionally obtuse but its hard for me to get into this mindset Nah, it's cool - that's your perspective, no hate. Thanks for listening (reading?) and for offering your own take in response. --- I still hear trains at night, when the wind is right. Now playing: Fortnite (NS), Stardew Valley, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, Borderlands <cite>MrMallard posted [p:908655012] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I guess I get where you're coming from, but also don't really understand it at the same time. The focus on what the characters like seems entirely beside the point to me. Idk man, I'm not being intentionally obtuse but its hard for me to get into this mindset</quote> Nah, it's cool - that's your perspective, no hate. Thanks for listening (reading?) and for offering your own take in response.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/13/18 8:36:53 AM #89:	Irregardless posted... Hicks233 posted... "Don't like it? Don't buy it." But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown There's a difference between saying "fuck you" to a company and a company saying "fuck you" to it's fans. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908655138] in Feminist D... [t:76975547]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>"Don't like it? Don't buy it."</quote> But when EA says it everyone has a meltdown</quote> There's a difference between saying "fuck you" to a company and a company saying "fuck you" to it's fans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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