Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 188: Two for Tuesday

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Jakyl25 08/22/18 11:18:59 AM #1:	Or maybe more accurately 16 for Tuesday --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907343750] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Or maybe more accurately 16 for Tuesday</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 12:16:50 PM #2:	Lets hope there is literally a Constitutional Amendment that says No pardoning Paul Manafort --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907346758] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Lets hope there is literally a Constitutional Amendment that says No pardoning Paul Manafort</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 08/22/18 12:21:00 PM #3:	Corrik you do realize that you can be impeached for like....literally anything right. Its best to think of it as the worlds most unwieldy firing process. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:907346989] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Corrik you do realize that you can be impeached for like....literally anything right. Its best to think of it as the worlds most unwieldy firing process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/22/18 12:24:46 PM #4:	https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund so this is a thing --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:907347185] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund so this is a thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 12:26:40 PM #5:	Is that real? If it is LOLOLOL --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907347295] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Is that real? If it is LOLOLOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 08/22/18 12:27:16 PM #6:	"No Russian Collusion!" I shout triumphantly as I am dragged away on racketeering charges --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:907347332] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>"No Russian Collusion!" I shout triumphantly as I am dragged away on racketeering charges</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/22/18 12:29:25 PM #7:	Jakyl25 posted... Is that real? If it is LOLOLOL https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cohen-launches-gofundme-with-dollar500000-goal/ar-BBMhy2w --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:907347452] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Is that real? If it is LOLOLOL</quote> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cohen-launches-gofundme-with-dollar500000-goal/ar-BBMhy2w</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 1:39:30 PM #8:	Eddv posted... Corrik you do realize that you can be impeached for like....literally anything right. Its best to think of it as the worlds most unwieldy firing process. Sure, but it would never go through. It would have to be something egregious to get bipartisan support. I just think saying pardoning manafort is "grounds for impeachment" sounds frankly just pretty dumb. I also think a "constitutional amendment" to not allow a pardon would be a huge Congress power grab from the executive power and that would need some sort of judicial review to go through. That is basically taking a power from the executive branch. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907351454] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik you do realize that you can be impeached for like....literally anything right. Its best to think of it as the worlds most unwieldy firing process.</quote> Sure, but it would never go through. It would have to be something egregious to get bipartisan support. I just think saying pardoning manafort is "grounds for impeachment" sounds frankly just pretty dumb. I also think a "constitutional amendment" to not allow a pardon would be a huge Congress power grab from the executive power and that would need some sort of judicial review to go through. That is basically taking a power from the executive branch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 1:42:35 PM #9:	It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907351592] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/22/18 1:43:40 PM #10:	Given how much power Congress has ceded to the executive branch over the last half century, I am not opposed up them taking some of that back. Pardons aren't the hill I'd die on, but conceptually I'm fine with it. If it was something like, the Senate could, with 60 or more members, invalidate a presidential pardon, after it's been brought to the floor by a sponsor, I'd be all for it. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:907351654] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Given how much power Congress has ceded to the executive branch over the last half century, I am not opposed up them taking some of that back. Pardons aren't the hill I'd die on, but conceptually I'm fine with it. If it was something like, the Senate could, with 60 or more members, invalidate a presidential pardon, after it's been brought to the floor by a sponsor, I'd be all for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 1:45:04 PM #11:	Not to mention what makes it worse is the fact that he's so blatantly flaunting it as a reward/punishment scenario Manafort doesn't flip on him: Trump starts suggesting he'll pardon him. Cohen does flip on him: Trump blatantly suggests there's no way he'd pardon him. It's another case of Trump talking too much and making his intentions all too clear. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907351722] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Not to mention what makes it worse is the fact that he's so blatantly flaunting it as a reward/punishment scenario Manafort doesn't flip on him: Trump starts suggesting he'll pardon him. Cohen does flip on him: Trump blatantly suggests there's no way he'd pardon him. It's another case of Trump talking too much and making his intentions all too clear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 08/22/18 1:45:31 PM #12:	If anything it's the Stormy Daniels thing that'd be grounds for impeachment, there's already precedent for a president being impeached for lying about sex >_> --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:907351747] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>If anything it's the Stormy Daniels thing that'd be grounds for impeachment, there's already precedent for a president being impeached for lying about sex >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 08/22/18 1:45:56 PM #13:	Corrik posted... Sure, but it would never go through. It would have to be something egregious to get bipartisan support. Pardoning your cronies is something that many would consider an egregious abuse of power. Corrik posted... I also think a "constitutional amendment" to not allow a pardon would be a huge Congress power grab from the executive power and that would need some sort of judicial review to go through. That is basically taking a power from the executive branch. So first of all, Congress actually constitutionally holds a ton of power it doesnt actually ever 2nd the court merely has the power to interpret the constitution. If they pass an amendment that changes the constitution itself the court is stuck --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:907351773] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, but it would never go through. It would have to be something egregious to get bipartisan support. </quote> Pardoning your cronies is something that many would consider an egregious abuse of power. <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>I also think a "constitutional amendment" to not allow a pardon would be a huge Congress power grab from the executive power and that would need some sort of judicial review to go through. That is basically taking a power from the executive branch.</quote> So first of all, Congress actually constitutionally holds a ton of power it doesnt actually ever 2nd the court merely has the power to interpret the constitution. If they pass an amendment that changes the constitution itself the court is stuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Obellisk 08/22/18 1:48:58 PM #14:	Are you allowed to renounce or disclaim the pardon? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) <cite>Obellisk posted [p:907351918] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Are you allowed to renounce or disclaim the pardon?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 08/22/18 1:52:50 PM #15:	Amendments are ratified by the states so it wouldn't be a Congressional power grab per se. I'm not sure I like the idea of an Amendment allowing Congress to nullify a pardon personally. I think the Presidential pardon should remain absolute and Congress should just use impeachment if it's abused. If such a thing were passed, there would need to be a strict time limit placed on how long Congress has to make such an override. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:907352118] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Amendments are ratified by the states so it wouldn't be a Congressional power grab per se. I'm not sure I like the idea of an Amendment allowing Congress to nullify a pardon personally. I think the Presidential pardon should remain absolute and Congress should just use impeachment if it's abused. If such a thing were passed, there would need to be a strict time limit placed on how long Congress has to make such an override.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 08/22/18 1:57:35 PM #16:	Obellisk posted... Are you allowed to renounce or disclaim the pardon? Yes, you can deny a pardon. You cannot deny a commutation or immunity offer. Cohen's lawyer actually said today that he'd deny a pardon if he got one. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:907352387] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Obellisk posted...</cite> <quote>Are you allowed to renounce or disclaim the pardon?</quote> Yes, you can deny a pardon. You cannot deny a commutation or immunity offer. Cohen's lawyer actually said today that he'd deny a pardon if he got one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:03:10 PM #17:	HashtagSEP posted... It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907352674] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:04:04 PM #18:	Peace___Frog posted... Given how much power Congress has ceded to the executive branch over the last half century, I am not opposed up them taking some of that back. I can agree with that in regards to the executive taking power from Congress. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907352730] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>Given how much power Congress has ceded to the executive branch over the last half century, I am not opposed up them taking some of that back. </quote> I can agree with that in regards to the executive taking power from Congress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:04:45 PM #19:	JeffreyRaze posted... If anything it's the Stormy Daniels thing that'd be grounds for impeachment, there's already precedent for a president being impeached for lying about sex >_> Under oath makes perjury. Not lying at all. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907352761] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote>If anything it's the Stormy Daniels thing that'd be grounds for impeachment, there's already precedent for a president being impeached for lying about sex >_></quote> Under oath makes perjury. Not lying at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 08/22/18 2:22:01 PM #20:	Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump. First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:907353684] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump.</quote> First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 2:24:08 PM #21:	I feel like that shouldn't actually need to be spelled out, but here we are I mean, Trump himself praised Manafort for staying loyal, so clearly there's more to it --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907353800] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>I feel like that shouldn't actually need to be spelled out, but here we are I mean, Trump himself praised Manafort for staying loyal, so clearly there's more to it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:24:33 PM #22:	kevwaffles posted... Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump. First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine. You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907353833] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump.</quote> First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine.</quote> You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 2:25:48 PM #23:	Corrik posted... kevwaffles posted... Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump. First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine. You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that. We can definitely assume it when Trump is going "Manafort didn't turn on me, he's good people" implying there's something to turn on in the first place --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907353893] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump.</quote> First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine.</quote> You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that.</quote> We can definitely assume it when Trump is going "Manafort didn't turn on me, he's good people" implying there's something to turn on in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 08/22/18 2:26:12 PM #24:	I understand that common sense might seem like a magical concept to you Corrik, but I assure you it's not. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:907353921] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>I understand that common sense might seem like a magical concept to you Corrik, but I assure you it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:27:48 PM #25:	HashtagSEP posted... Corrik posted... kevwaffles posted... Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice. His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump. First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine. You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that. We can definitely assume it when Trump is going "Manafort didn't turn on me, he's good people" implying there's something to turn on in the first place That would be one way to take it and maybe you are right, but it is still just an assumption. Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him and having an establishment favored Republican to run for the Presidency in lieu of him is the best chance of a Republican presidency next term. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907354023] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>It's not the act of pardoning itself that brings up the idea of impeachment. As you said, presidents pardon criminals all the time. It's moreso what the pardon suggests. He'd essentially be pardoning somebody that could testify against him in order to avoid that. That's why things get a bit murkier, since it's just another example of him appearing to try and obstruct justice.</quote> His crimes were fraud and offshore accounts. Nothing he was found guilty of was dealing with Trump.</quote> First, Manafort isn't exactly done with going to court yet. Second, he doesn't need to be found guilty of anything related to Trump to theoretically testify against Trump for the purposes of cutting a deal, which pardoning would obviously undermine.</quote> You can't just magically assume he has something to testify about which is what you are doing by assuming a pardon is in relation to that.</quote> We can definitely assume it when Trump is going "Manafort didn't turn on me, he's good people" implying there's something to turn on in the first place</quote> That would be one way to take it and maybe you are right, but it is still just an assumption. Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him and having an establishment favored Republican to run for the Presidency in lieu of him is the best chance of a Republican presidency next term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 2:28:13 PM #26:	Like, let's assume there's literally nothing Manafort could testify about Trump's own words and actions are implying there is, which is enough to make a pardon look really bad. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907354043] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Like, let's assume there's literally nothing Manafort could testify about Trump's own words and actions are implying there is, which is enough to make a pardon look really bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:29:41 PM #27:	HashtagSEP posted... Like, let's assume there's literally nothing Manafort could testify about Trump's own words and actions are implying there is, which is enough to make a pardon look really bad. Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. It is why it is an assumption. Which is only "common sense" to kevwaffles because it fits what he wants the answer to be. But, he is going to pardon Manafort, and it isn't going to matter. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907354138] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Like, let's assume there's literally nothing Manafort could testify about Trump's own words and actions are implying there is, which is enough to make a pardon look really bad.</quote> Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. It is why it is an assumption. Which is only "common sense" to kevwaffles because it fits what he wants the answer to be. But, he is going to pardon Manafort, and it isn't going to matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 2:31:32 PM #28:	Corrik posted... Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907354243] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also.</quote> ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:36:01 PM #29:	HashtagSEP posted... Corrik posted... Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907354495] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also.</quote> ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better</quote> Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 2:42:14 PM #30:	Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... Corrik posted... Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario. But the scenario you laid out is that Trump thought he WOULD be a lying snake and is basically surprised he isn't. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907354834] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also.</quote> ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better</quote> Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario.</quote> But the scenario you laid out is that Trump thought he WOULD be a lying snake and is basically surprised he isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 2:49:24 PM #31:	HashtagSEP posted... Corrik posted... HashtagSEP posted... Corrik posted... Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also. ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario. But the scenario you laid out is that Trump thought he WOULD be a lying snake and is basically surprised he isn't. No. I said that his comments could be meant that turning against him would have meant that. Like if he had turned against him that he would be doing so to lie in order to try and save his own ass. That's what I mean. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907355262] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Could be handwaved easily by saying I thought he would try and lie about me to save his own ass. Which would still fit that comment also.</quote> ...Okay, let's assume that is the case Then he's going "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who I personally think is a lying snake who will commit perjury to save his own ass because he was loyal to me" That doesn't seem much better</quote> Wait. How did you get that. It would be. "Yes, I want to pardon this guy who chose NOT to be a lying snake and commit perjury to turn against me in order to try and save his own ass" In that scenario.</quote> But the scenario you laid out is that Trump thought he WOULD be a lying snake and is basically surprised he isn't.</quote> No. I said that his comments could be meant that turning against him would have meant that. Like if he had turned against him that he would be doing so to lie in order to try and save his own ass. That's what I mean.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 3:36:57 PM #32:	Corrik posted... Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him You realize you contradicted yourself there --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907357924] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him </quote> You realize you contradicted yourself there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 3:40:50 PM #33:	Also LOL @ Corrik not understanding the Amendment process and thinking the judiciary should get involved The Amendment process IS A CHECK AGAINST THE JUDICIARY --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907358153] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Also LOL @ Corrik not understanding the Amendment process and thinking the judiciary should get involved The Amendment process IS A CHECK AGAINST THE JUDICIARY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 08/22/18 4:06:01 PM #34:	https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:907359650] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 4:08:06 PM #35:	I feel like with the amount of "Even if Trump did it, it's not illegal because something something he's the president" that I'm seeing today, Trump could shoot somebody and they'd try to argue "Well if you think about it the President is kinda like a cop and cops can shoot people so it's all good" --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907359760] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>I feel like with the amount of "Even if Trump did it, it's not illegal because something something he's the president" that I'm seeing today, Trump could shoot somebody and they'd try to argue "Well if you think about it the President is kinda like a cop and cops can shoot people so it's all good"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:08:31 PM #36:	https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1032335083175374848?s=21 "That's a ridiculous accusation," Sarah Sanders says, when asked if the president lied to the American people. LOL --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907359776] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1032335083175374848?s=21 <quote>"That's a ridiculous accusation," Sarah Sanders says, when asked if the president lied to the American people.</quote> LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 08/22/18 4:10:30 PM #37:	Jesus lol You have to be kidding --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:907359896] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>Jesus lol You have to be kidding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:14:53 PM #38:	XIII_rocks posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch A lot of the points are valid, Im just not sure about the general thesis of corruption being a dog whistle from Republicans. Rule of Law absolutely IS a racist dog whistle, and I can see the bridge from that to corruption, I just cant drive over it. I honestly think that most Trumpers genuinely believe no one in the Trump campaign, including Manafort, Flynn, even COHEN, has ever committed any crimes that have yet to be paid to society. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907360139] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> A lot of the points are valid, Im just not sure about the general thesis of corruption being a dog whistle from Republicans. Rule of Law absolutely IS a racist dog whistle, and I can see the bridge from that to corruption, I just cant drive over it. I honestly think that most Trumpers genuinely believe no one in the Trump campaign, including Manafort, Flynn, even COHEN, has ever committed any crimes that have yet to be paid to society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/22/18 4:15:25 PM #39:	XIII_rocks posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:907360168] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:19:20 PM #40:	https://twitter.com/ap/status/1032342891497246720?s=21 BREAKING: New York state investigators have issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of Trump Foundation probe. Oh --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907360431] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ap/status/1032342891497246720?s=21 <quote>BREAKING: New York state investigators have issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of Trump Foundation probe.</quote> Oh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:27:53 PM #41:	https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1032309961139867650?s=21 .@LindseyGrahamSC: "I don't think a pardon" for Manafort "under these circumstances, would go over well." It "would be perceived by many Americans as, you know, interfering with an investigation." You know I think theres a more formal term for that... --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907360895] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1032309961139867650?s=21 <quote>.@LindseyGrahamSC: "I don't think a pardon" for Manafort "under these circumstances, would go over well." It "would be perceived by many Americans as, you know, interfering with an investigation."</quote> You know I think theres a more formal term for that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 08/22/18 4:28:34 PM #42:	XIII_rocks posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch I feel like the author might be on to something with this sentence specifically what they fear most isnt the corruption of American law; its the corruption of Americas traditional identity But other than that I think the angle with which the issue is explored feels totally off-base, if that makes sense. Like I believe that there's a real feeling/fear among Trump's supporters that the national identity of America is somehow under attack, but I don't agree at all with talking about this issue with "corruption" as the unifying theme in the way this author does. First off I don't think it's an accurate way to describe the issue even in the minds of Trump's supporters. Second I think it serves to paint Trump supporters as full-blown Nazi-style racial purists, which I think is both incorrect and highly damaging to public discourse. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:907360928] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> I feel like the author might be on to something with this sentence specifically <quote>what they fear most isnt the corruption of American law; its the corruption of Americas traditional identity</quote> But other than that I think the angle with which the issue is explored feels totally off-base, if that makes sense. Like I believe that there's a real feeling/fear among Trump's supporters that the national identity of America is somehow under attack, but I don't agree at all with talking about this issue with "corruption" as the unifying theme in the way this author does. First off I don't think it's an accurate way to describe the issue even in the minds of Trump's supporters. Second I think it serves to paint Trump supporters as full-blown Nazi-style racial purists, which I think is both incorrect and highly damaging to public discourse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 08/22/18 4:29:20 PM #43:	Kenri posted... XIII_rocks posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries. Sure I'd like to see those people that said Hillary is "corrupt" actually define corruption, to be honest. It would be interesting. I mean, she is. But the idea that that absolves Trump is obviously absurd. --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:907360970] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries.</quote> Sure I'd like to see those people that said Hillary is "corrupt" actually define corruption, to be honest. It would be interesting. I mean, she is. But the idea that that absolves Trump is obviously absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/22/18 4:30:59 PM #44:	XIII_rocks posted... Kenri posted... XIII_rocks posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries. Sure I'd like to see those people that said Hillary is "corrupt" actually define corruption, to be honest. It would be interesting. I mean, she is. But the idea that that absolves Trump is obviously absurd. Well, you see, only one person can be corrupt at a time --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:907361060] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568147/?__twitter_impression=true Thoughts? Some stuff in there I agree with, some I think is a bit of a stretch</quote> Sounds about right, though I think this distinction between "corruption of law" and "corruption of purity" needlessly dignifies a situation that could be more easily described as "Trumpers don't care about the law unless it's pointed at minorities" Edit: Actually, even implying it's unique to Trump is wrong -- this attitude predated him in the US by centuries.</quote> Sure I'd like to see those people that said Hillary is "corrupt" actually define corruption, to be honest. It would be interesting. I mean, she is. But the idea that that absolves Trump is obviously absurd.</quote> Well, you see, only one person can be corrupt at a time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:31:07 PM #45:	I define Hillarys corruption as her being bought off by special interests/foreign partnerships in such a way that makes her incapable of acting purely in the best interest of the people. Trump is obviously the platonic ideal of this --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907361069] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>I define Hillarys corruption as her being bought off by special interests/foreign partnerships in such a way that makes her incapable of acting purely in the best interest of the people. Trump is obviously the platonic ideal of this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 4:37:08 PM #46:	https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/steven-tyler-demands-trump-stop-102242245.html --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907361382] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/steven-tyler-demands-trump-stop-102242245.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 08/22/18 4:42:32 PM #47:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him You realize you contradicted yourself there I am aware --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:907361657] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly, I think as long as the Republicans hold a branch of Congress that it really doesn't matter what comes out at any point. I do wish something big would come out because removing him </quote> You realize you contradicted yourself there</quote> I am aware</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 08/22/18 5:36:56 PM #48:	The notion that "Trump has the power to pardon, therefore the idea that pardoning Manafort is grounds for impeachment is ridiculous" is itself absurd. Nixon had the power to fire everyone involved in the Saturday Night Massacre. That was absolutely grounds for impeachment and was going to lead to it had he not resigned first. In fact, he resigned specifically because he knew the articles were being drafted. Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/ap/status/1032342891497246720?s=21 BREAKING: New York state investigators have issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of Trump Foundation probe. Oh Unsurprising. Cohen's lawyer also said that he had information that would be of interest to the NY AG with regard to their investigation of the Foundation. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:907364613] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>The notion that "Trump has the power to pardon, therefore the idea that pardoning Manafort is grounds for impeachment is ridiculous" is itself absurd. Nixon had the power to fire everyone involved in the Saturday Night Massacre. That was absolutely grounds for impeachment and was going to lead to it had he not resigned first. In fact, he resigned specifically because he knew the articles were being drafted. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ap/status/1032342891497246720?s=21 <quote>BREAKING: New York state investigators have issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of Trump Foundation probe.</quote> Oh</quote> Unsurprising. Cohen's lawyer also said that he had information that would be of interest to the NY AG with regard to their investigation of the Foundation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 08/22/18 5:38:37 PM #49:	pyresword posted... Second I think it serves to paint Trump supporters as full-blown Nazi-style racial purists, which I think is both incorrect and highly damaging to public discourse. I mean Some of them are full-blown Nazi-style racial purists --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:907364714] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote><cite>pyresword posted...</cite> <quote>Second I think it serves to paint Trump supporters as full-blown Nazi-style racial purists, which I think is both incorrect and highly damaging to public discourse.</quote> I mean Some of them are full-blown Nazi-style racial purists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/18 5:50:30 PM #50:	I put half of them in a basket of Deplorables --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:907365411] in Politics C... [t:76926642]...</cite> <quote>I put half of them in a basket of Deplorables</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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