Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party....

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Sheep007 posted...

I don't see there being a specialised framer on scum team. From what we can assume...

Roleblocker
Godfather
Doctor/Ninja/Jack
Janitor/Goon

If there's a framer on that Jack they were insanely ballsy to use it on Dumey, at that time, and it's not particularly worth considering.

At what time?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

At what time?

N3 when there's barely any suspicion on him, and assuming it's single-use on a Jack (because I just don't believe there's a specialised framer). If he was framed, that massively implicates both Red and Ben because they would be better targets to frame for most people.
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this was the first post

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

I've given it some thought overnight and have decided Corrik isn't so scummy after all.

then this whole quote block

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Hey leo

WHO'S SCUM

Beats me, yesterday was super boring. I didn't really pay attention to it. Probably whoever my good buddy town Corrik says is scum

Ok I will humor you

Why is corrik town (sorry if you said this already I was afk)

At first I thought he was doing the exact same playbook as his last two scum games (Corrik hates bussing. Always yelling at scummates for bussing) but then on reflection I decided he had a really honest face this time, y'know?

and then after I let the full on bluff stew overnight

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

If I have to fight against fucking fake scans two games in a row I'm going to be really pissed. Puns did not track me. I did not visit Plum. I visited someone else, which would be obviously to anyone with half a brain. Get it? Puns is overzealous town who thinks I'm scum but doesn't have a good convincing reason, so he's faking a scan, or he's scum emulating that zealousness because Puns is the best scum player here and capable of faking his town approach.

I'm not claiming because of the world's most obvious bluff and people who are voting me solely for that are likely scum for it. Puns sure is doing a hell of a job of outing power on a day where we have a real scum scan from Scare! Did I lack bite in Blade Mafia?! (I was scum and I did not). Yeesh.

I mean you could say he was planning to claim detective, sure.

Man, all this Framer talk might be enough to convince Dumey to post today.
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htaeD posted...

Where did a framer come from?

Also Leo could have been trying to claim detective instead, like some said.

framer came from considering Han's question of "what if sheep wasn't blocked because he's scum"

to which I was trying to come up with a reason why Scum Sheep would go through with pulling out a fake guilty, if Dumey is town

turbopuns2 posted...

I mean you could say he was planning to claim detective, sure.

This is what I was about to say.

Occulam's says lynch Dumey, then what? Let Sultan 'pick' his target between the two? Then when inevitably, Sultan picks the other person, lynch him?

I have a feeling we've got a pretty set future here, and we're just going to be grinding our teeth waiting to enact what seems to be the play.
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

Where did a framer come from?

Also Leo could have been trying to claim detective instead, like some said.

framer came from considering Han's question of "what if sheep wasn't blocked because he's scum"

to which I was trying to come up with a reason why Scum Sheep would go through with pulling out a fake guilty, if Dumey is town

Could also just be a bus, and Dumey is like "hey, I'm not sure I can keep playing without a replace, so use me as a sacrificial lamb to earn Town points".

In this scenario, the only way where this is REALLY safe is if, like, Sheep is the Roleblocker himself.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Could also just be a bus, and Dumey is like "hey, I'm not sure I can keep playing without a replace, so use me as a sacrificial lamb to earn Town points".

this scenario is much more likely

Is there any scenario where scum fakes a target bomb claim?

After getting blown the fuck out last game, I was really hoping we could return the favor.

But the way this is going, Im starting to see an extended period of us chasing the scanned and just extending the game until activity dies down enough for scum to pull something out, or delay the inevitable, both of which suck.

Like I could see
Dumey flips Town
Sheep doesnt die
Oh well I guess lets see if hes insane/there was a framed/I dunno
Etc etc

Odds are im dead long before all this, and hopefully when the game ends in 2 weeks someone can tag me to tell me what happened lmao
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turbopuns2 posted...

Is there any scenario where scum fakes a target bomb claim?

Not if they're Godfather. If that's the case they could easily just coast til endgame as vanilla, and it also means they absolutely have to be lynched in F3 which obviously isn't helpful for scum.
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Like...Lawyer, Mason Recruit, Vig, AND Target Bomb?

Lawyer and Mason Recruit pair is doubling down on mortally confirming a town outright. Also doubling down on ways for town to kill themselves.

Lawyer and Vig and Target Bomb is THREE ways for an individual town to just kill a scum without any assistance whatsoever. That seems CUH-RAZY strong.

Also my activity will be low today, Im taking my son the park, and I dont wanna be that parent on their phone the whole time, lol
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turbopuns2 posted...

Is there any scenario where scum fakes a target bomb claim?

If they are bad.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Like...Lawyer, Mason Recruit, Vig, AND Target Bomb?

Lawyer and Mason Recruit pair is doubling down on mortally confirming a town outright. Also doubling down on ways for town to kill themselves.

Lawyer and Vig and Target Bomb is THREE ways for an individual town to just kill a scum without any assistance whatsoever. That seems CUH-RAZY strong.

Also each of those can backfire. I hate to meta host, but chris likes "put up or shut up" situations.
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Has Zach done anything outside of the weakest conceivable scum bus ever (meaning, day 1 vanilla alakazam)?

I don't remember if anyone likes him for reasons unrelated to that.

Like he even said "Sorry alakazam I have decided where this day is going" when he voted him

that even sounds like a bus

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also each of those can backfire. I hate to meta host, but chris likes "put up or shut up" situations.

It's true that gambler is chris's stated favorite role. I know I've seen him say that before.

turbopuns2 posted...

Has Zach done anything outside of the weakest conceivable scum bus ever (meaning, day 1 vanilla alakazam)?

I don't remember if anyone likes him for reasons unrelated to that.

He comes across as blustering Town more than noob Scum. I mean, you coached him in his inaugural scum game. You should have more insight into him than anyone.

My gut is often wrong on newer players, so I'm trying to hold my suspicion on him in check.
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I said I like Zach D3. He just seems like slightly arrogant but new Town. His shot claim backs that up imo
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I don't like Zach for his words against Alakazam, but for Zam's reactions to him.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I don't like Zach for his words against Alakazam, but for Zam's reactions to him.

Can you elaborate on that

turbopuns2 posted...

Like...Lawyer, Mason Recruit, Vig, AND Target Bomb?

Lawyer and Mason Recruit pair is doubling down on mortally confirming a town outright. Also doubling down on ways for town to kill themselves.

Lawyer and Vig and Target Bomb is THREE ways for an individual town to just kill a scum without any assistance whatsoever. That seems CUH-RAZY strong.

Lawyer is not an extra kill
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I didn't say it was an extra kill. The point was it's a way an individual town can just kill a scum outrght based on their own read. Just like a vig. Hard to defend against as scum.

Like town could mislynch on day 1 and day 2 both, but still have 3 scum dead starting day 3. Lawyer corrects one mislynch, target bomb hits a scum, vig hits a scum at night.

Lawyer also kills the Lawyer itself if they get it wrong, remember.

There seems like a lot of power that can cause or assist kills, but what it does is speed up the game if Town play is good, and severely punished them and rewards scum if Town get it wrong (e.g by killing two town in one lynch with two of the roles, and two at night with the mason or vig). That seems exactly like something Chris would do.
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We can test Targetbomb come Lylo anyway, so I am not that concerned.

And cop is not a longlasting claim. Not with three more mislynches in our future. (Already presuming EDumey to flip scum)
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Sheep007 posted...

Lawyer also kills the Lawyer itself if they get it wrong, remember.

Right, I know, we just talked about it.

I would suggest testing the target bomb prior to mylo. I've seen scum bombproof before.

turbopuns2 posted...

Like town could mislynch on day 1 and day 2 both, but still have 3 scum dead starting day 3. Lawyer corrects one mislynch, target bomb hits a scum, vig hits a scum at night.

Town could also lose like seven members in two days

Then again I dont know if targetbombs get set off by a lawyer
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Only if a godfather hasnt flipped yet, and/or sheep flips scum
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Ok guys, I thought this conversation was already laid to rest. I'm not concerned that one of them has to be lying. I get it. We've established it. I feel like we are just junking up the game now going in circles.

Reminder to self to note every player that poopoo'd the need to have Leo claim day2.
I recall some of them yelling at me for my Leo vote.
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I have to run out for a bit. Does someone wany to be a dear and pit together a list of all the claimed and known night actions so far? I want to look over it and see if there's something we could be overlooking. If not I'll do it once I'm back.

Today is kinda a day that would lead to meandering unfortunately.
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Han said last night if igcd flipped scum he wants 1 fourth credit. Igcd flipped town Han are you still 1 fourth responsible?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han said last night if igcd flipped scum he wants 1 fourth credit. Igcd flipped town Han are you still 1 fourth responsible?

LOL

Han was on Red in the end iirc, so you throwing shade in that particular direction kinda just makes me think Han is town.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han said last night if igcd flipped scum he wants 1 fourth credit. Igcd flipped town Han are you still 1 fourth responsible?

I'm probably at least a third responsible for IGCD, since I got a lot of people to look in his direction early on yesterday.

However, I DID say that it was unlikely for him to have voted Leo as Scum unless Panth was a better Scum power, and that was the logical side of me that people should have listened to.

As much as I hate to suggest it, I think we should get everyone still in-game to say their full thoughts on what they want, then once we get a nigh-unanimous agreement to end day, go for the hammer. Of course, knowing our luck, Chris will just say "twilight lasts until the normal time day was supposed to be over anyway" and we won't speed up our arrival to the next day at all.
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*lights the dumey signal*

HanOfTheNekos posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han said last night if igcd flipped scum he wants 1 fourth credit. Igcd flipped town Han are you still 1 fourth responsible?

I'm probably at least a third responsible for IGCD, since I got a lot of people to look in his direction early on yesterday.

However, I DID say that it was unlikely for him to have voted Leo as Scum unless Panth was a better Scum power, and that was the logical side of me that people should have listened to.

As much as I hate to suggest it, I think we should get everyone still in-game to say their full thoughts on what they want, then once we get a nigh-unanimous agreement to end day, go for the hammer. Of course, knowing our luck, Chris will just say "twilight lasts until the normal time day was supposed to be over anyway" and we won't speed up our arrival to the next day at all.

That didnt happen day2 though

Also what I want is to lynch Red or Sultan next. But If we are planning on ending the day sooner, I will have to look back at day2 sooner too.
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Bold is flipped town.

N1:
Ed jailed Corrik
Corrik is blocked by Ed
Panth doc saved Tony
Sultan guarded Panth
SheePJ scanned...MZero or Tange?
Zach shot Corrik (saved by Ed)
Tony claimed blocked
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Scum janitored Plum

N2:
Ed jailed Panth
Corrik guarded ????
Panth is blocked by Ed
Sultan guarded FD
SheePJ scanned...Tange or MZero?
Tony claimed blocked
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Scum shot either Corrik or his BG target

N3:
Ed ????
Panth ????
Sultan claims blocked
Tony claims blocked
SheePJ scanned Dumey
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Ed and Panth die

N3 is the only time we have 2 blocks and can't attribute one of them to town for sure. Wow Ed. If you blocked town power 3 nights in a row and died. Lol.

Anyway. Going to stew on this.

I'm feeling decidedly unwell right now, is there anything in particular I should read up on?

Also I don't think Eaed would've blocked Sultan. Wouldn't have made any sense to do it.

And yes before I get pressed on another irrelevant question I was starting to get mad earlier and left because I've learned that lesson already.

Oh and I've been in a near constant state of feeling like I'm about to throw up for more than the last 3 hours, its an unpleasant feeling.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also I don't think Eaed would've blocked Sultan. Wouldn't have made any sense to do it.

Blocking Corrik and blocking Panth weren't the best moves either, though.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm feeling decidedly unwell right now

I counter-claim.
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Sheep007 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also I don't think Eaed would've blocked Sultan. Wouldn't have made any sense to do it.

Blocking Corrik and blocking Panth weren't the best moves either, though.

I understand blocking Corrik because no one believed his claim and he looked bad at the end of day 1.

I understand blocking Panthera because everyone thought he was scum RB.

I can't really come up with logic for blocking Sultan.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm feeling decidedly unwell right now

I counter-claim.

Speaking of claims, did everyone else claim?