Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party....

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Tange remind me, how much coaching do you usually need as scum?
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htaeD posted...

Tange remind me, how much coaching do you usually need as scum?

Youre talking to the guy that once claimed (as scum) he read the wrong PM
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DoubleTangicide posted...

htaeD posted...

Tange remind me, how much coaching do you usually need as scum?

Youre talking to the guy that once claimed (as scum) he read the wrong PM

......did you really just cite that example.

Why would scum roleblock Sultan instead of Sheep? Maybe it's a null tell if Sultan ends up town. Eaed is obviously a more powerful protective role. But leaving up a cop scan is so bad. If they're both scum, then they use their roleblock on the only claimed investigative role (Tony), claim Sultan is blocked so the Eaed kill goes by unquestioned, and have a tough sell with Sheep.

I see other people discussed possibility of a Godfather and that's why scum's not scared of leaving him up, but there's four scum left. That's really confident.

Maybe I'm biased because I know the scan on me is false, but the more I look at this situation, the more I find wrong with it.
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Yes? Why wouldnt I?
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htaeD posted...

Right now all I am hearing is that Red is town, EDumey.

Sorry, but thats what a scumfilter does to ya.

I can't blame you for this. But I'll be damned if I'm not gonna leave you information for after the flip.
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turbopuns2 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

htaeD posted...

Tange remind me, how much coaching do you usually need as scum?

Youre talking to the guy that once claimed (as scum) he read the wrong PM

......did you really just cite that example.

It does remind me that Tange is often uncontrollable.
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It took near-constant coaching for me to stay alive for another 2 days
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Scare

What's been your best contribution for town so far?

What is the single best sign that we are not playing with Scum Scare?

EDumey posted...

Maybe I'm biased because I know the scan on me is false, but the more I look at this situation, the more I find wrong with it.

Maybe?

Hey I have an idea.

Let's lynch Sultan.

##Vote: Sultan

If sheep is actually cop they're not going to leave him alone tonight. We already know he has a "guilty" on Dumey. This should sort itself.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sultan

If Sultan flips scum, then the roleblock doesn't make sense and I think there's a strong argument other than my insistence that Sheep is lying.

Even if you guys understand where I'm coming from and don't trust Sheep, lynching the claimed cop with scans is probably just the wrong town play. This is a better self-preservation vote that also gets us more information.
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also, ninja'd
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While I agree that sultan needs to be lynched, why arent we lynching the guilty scum?
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turbopuns2 posted...

EDumey posted...

Maybe I'm biased because I know the scan on me is false, but the more I look at this situation, the more I find wrong with it.

Maybe?

hah. I was willing to give it a pass yesterday. But with the extra info today, it looks "more wrong"
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turbopuns2 posted...

If sheep is actually cop they're not going to leave him alone tonight. We already know he has a "guilty" on Dumey. This should sort itself.

No.

##Vote: EDumey

Scum will just kill Tony, we wont know anything more.
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turbopuns2 posted...

This is in order from most trusted to least.

Sheep007 - I have faith in his cop claim. I think his choice of scanning Dumey makes sense from town perspective. Better to believe him now and kill his guilty scan than to not trust him on the chance that Plum was cop.

turbopuns2 - Puns is a good boy. The Leo bust did not seem fake. Especially since it was such a random chance bluff that broke Leo, as opposed to a more co-ordinated setup.

ColZach - I feel like I've explained this a million times, but the sole reason Zam caved and claimed Watcher was because of the auto correct debacle. While Zach wasn't the only one to mention it, he was the one to mention it the hardest and the one Zam replied to with a very frustrated "It WAS Auto correct, you can't call me a liar for that, it happens to everyone, it's bullshit, I did not hit her, I did naawwwt. Oh hai Zach". Zach was the one who told Zam to claim too. Zam listened.

HanOfTheNekos - I dont have much experience with Han, but I think a lot of his thoughts and musings are genuine. The way he went after some players, but stopped labeling them scum as soon as he saw a light of town spark inside them.

ScareChan - A few times this game I have suspected Scare hard. But his Panth bluff seemed pretty genuine, even though Panth ended up town. He just didnt get as lucky as Puns. He does come off as a towny that's trying incredibly hard to dig up info, ISO every player, and figure out the game for town. The big question is whether or not he's faking this because of his recent introduction to MU, where he may have found out that the only way to survive there is by faking a lot of ISO's, research, and similar activity, and now trying to apply that here to curbstomp us. Thank you to whoever said that in the mafia discussion topic. For now I'm trusting Scare though. If he lives till end game, that's when he's scum. If he's town, scum aint gonna want him here after powers are dead.

Crescent-Moon - Reminds me of Blade where I feel like she says a lot about what's going on in the game, but doesn't do a whole lot of pushing herself. I used to think Blade was scum every game because of that, but he was always town. >_> Today she DID try to get us to consider a new alternative - when she made a case against Scare. And I liked that, because she was frustrated Puns wasnt saying anything. That felt genuine that she really cared and feared the worst about Scare.

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DoubleTangicide posted...

While I agree that sultan needs to be lynched, why arent we lynching the guilty scum?

We are lynching dumey. People like to throw pointless votes around.

Also Sultan, protect one of Tony or Sheep. Dont tell us which.
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I did not mean to put that in quote boxes. Re-posting so it doesnt look like Puns said it!

Sheep007 - I have faith in his cop claim. I think his choice of scanning Dumey makes sense from town perspective. Better to believe him now and kill his guilty scan than to not trust him on the chance that Plum was cop.

turbopuns2 - Puns is a good boy. The Leo bust did not seem fake. Especially since it was such a random chance bluff that broke Leo, as opposed to a more co-ordinated setup.

ColZach - I feel like I've explained this a million times, but the sole reason Zam caved and claimed Watcher was because of the auto correct debacle. While Zach wasn't the only one to mention it, he was the one to mention it the hardest and the one Zam replied to with a very frustrated "It WAS Auto correct, you can't call me a liar for that, it happens to everyone, it's bullshit, I did not hit her, I did naawwwt. Oh hai Zach". Zach was the one who told Zam to claim too. Zam listened.

HanOfTheNekos - I dont have much experience with Han, but I think a lot of his thoughts and musings are genuine. The way he went after some players, but stopped labeling them scum as soon as he saw a light of town spark inside them.

ScareChan - A few times this game I have suspected Scare hard. But his Panth bluff seemed pretty genuine, even though Panth ended up town. He just didnt get as lucky as Puns. He does come off as a towny that's trying incredibly hard to dig up info, ISO every player, and figure out the game for town. The big question is whether or not he's faking this because of his recent introduction to MU, where he may have found out that the only way to survive there is by faking a lot of ISO's, research, and similar activity, and now trying to apply that here to curbstomp us. Thank you to whoever said that in the mafia discussion topic. For now I'm trusting Scare though. If he lives till end game, that's when he's scum. If he's town, scum aint gonna want him here after powers are dead.

Crescent-Moon - Reminds me of Blade where I feel like she says a lot about what's going on in the game, but doesn't do a whole lot of pushing herself. I used to think Blade was scum every game because of that, but he was always town. >_> Today she DID try to get us to consider a new alternative - when she made a case against Scare. And I liked that, because she was frustrated Puns wasnt saying anything. That felt genuine that she really cared and feared the worst about Scare.
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turbopuns2 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

htaeD posted...

Tange remind me, how much coaching do you usually need as scum?

Youre talking to the guy that once claimed (as scum) he read the wrong PM

......did you really just cite that example.

To be fair that was my coaching >_>
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I cant make a list yet myself btw, too many samey players.
Need time.
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Leafeon13N posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

While I agree that sultan needs to be lynched, why arent we lynching the guilty scum?

We are lynching dumey. People like to throw pointless votes around.

Anything else for us, coach?

Ah sultan yes

I wouldnt say I dont distrust him but hes the one I distrust the most in the group of neutral people that I also do not trust

Id lynch him

turbopuns2 posted...

Scare

What's been your best contribution for town so far?

What is the single best sign that we are not playing with Scum Scare?

I started the zam push
I have not made a play like I have on panth as scum before
I got red to contribute but I guess that's not really much to what you are asking
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Mzero, Tange - Honestly I had no real read on them before the scans were revealed, and I have not even bothered having thoughts on them other than "Town for now, unless Godfather" ever since Sheep announced the innocent scans.
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ScareChan posted...

I started the zam push
I have not made a play like I have on panth as scum before
I got red to contribute but I guess that's not really much to what you are asking

So...

1) you bussed vanilla zam on day 1

2) wifom

3) you're probably scum with red

Hmmmmmmm

htaeD posted...

I cant make a list yet myself btw, too many samey players.
Need time.

What exactly do you mean by "samey"?

Please nobody else answer this except death

You could interprets it that way yes

But I do not believe I have ever busted a scummate from the ground up like that on day 1
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benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero, Tange - Honestly I had no real read on them before the scans were revealed, and I have not even bothered having thoughts on them other than "Town for now, unless Godfather" ever since Sheep announced the innocent scans.

Work with me here on a hypothetical. If/when Sheep flips scum, how do you approach MZero/Tange? Do you think Sheep mentions one of them as a scumbuddy or lists two town hoping town mislynches onto one of them after his flip?
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Death - The player I need to go back and re-read the most. I'll probably wait after today's flip happens to do it. I've never gotten a town read from him. But nothing suspicious either. And he posts quite a bit. So I feel like I should have seen something

If anyone here really feels Death is town,let me know what gave you that thought.
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ScareChan posted...

You could interprets it that way yes

But I do not believe I have ever busted a scummate from the ground up like that on day 1

Is red scum yes or no

I need to grab something to eat. Probably be gone 30-40 minutes. Not disappearing.
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I'm going to say no but I have flip flopper several times
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Sultan - Dammit I want him to be town STILL. I want to be right to think scum would never make this play, even if they were coached, but the odds are he's scum. Too much protection, his statement that he asked if he could body guard himself, and last night's claim at being roleblocked.

Red - Sorry but I still have no reason to trust Red. The IGCD lynch came out of nowhere and was opportunistic, WHICH IN TURN blindsided me into thinking IGCD was scum too, because I had seen Red do the same thing to a scum buddy or two because it was the only option he had to make himself look good the next day and live a little bit longer. Until now I still have no town reads on him or reasons to think he;s not just scum. Especially after inductive reasoning.
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ScareChan posted...

Also crescent is being selective again even though she keeps saying look at all my posts, she isng herself

After the derp clear comment she was still in my poe and I was still looking at her.

And I almost switched her and red just because I am really unsure in both right now. The only I am more sure on is ben

Sure that I'm town...right? D:
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ColZach posted...

I wouldnt say I dont distrust him but hes the one I distrust the most in the group of neutral people that I also do not trust

wtf is this word salad

The thing with red is I feel like his activity at eod yesterday matched the way he felt last game as town when he was being pressured to claim. His actions afterwards made him seem better and it's similar here

I do feel I had a more confident read in him being town last game though
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EDumey posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero, Tange - Honestly I had no real read on them before the scans were revealed, and I have not even bothered having thoughts on them other than "Town for now, unless Godfather" ever since Sheep announced the innocent scans.

Work with me here on a hypothetical. If/when Sheep flips scum, how do you approach MZero/Tange? Do you think Sheep mentions one of them as a scumbuddy or lists two town hoping town mislynches onto one of them after his flip?

If SHeep were to flip scum, I wouldnt bother with that meta and would have to just go and re-read their earlier posts whilst grilling them harder in the present
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Votals are on the way...
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Also redoing day2 doesnt help me much, when Panths fate seemed locked in way early on. And getting the scumRB was an attractive genuine reason for us all.

That said
Crescent doesnt trust Leo but uses that to not trust Panth even more.
Red calls both scum, but doesnt say much to Leo. Benjamin doesnt even mention Leo.
EDumey was humoring letting Panth get his mason off. But still votes Panth because he could be the scum roleblocker.
Sultan had that weird detour to vote Corrik. And then chooses to vote Leo when he cant get Corrik that day. Course its Panth: 10 VS Leo: 4. So that doesnt say much at all. (and he votes Panth later anyway
Scare does make clear Leo is scum too and he scummons Leo. Decent look.

Feel like im forgetting someone. Oh right, Han. Cause he said nothing almost.
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Dumey - claimed vanilla

Sultan - claimed bodyguard

I'D rather kill Dumey. Sheep is probably dead or blocked tonight either way. But if Sultan is town and picks the right action, Sheep could Potentially live.
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

I cant make a list yet myself btw, too many samey players.
Need time.

What exactly do you mean by "samey"?

Please nobody else answer this except death

Same neutral read on a lot of players: Han, Ben, Crescent, Scare (sorta)
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red, real talk

How aren't you scum?

...people are really going onto Sultan instead of Dumey? Really? I'm just not digging that. First of all, get the fucking guilty player who's basically guaranteed to be scum out if the way. If you somehow think that Dumey and Sultan are equally likely to be scum, here's another thing: he's far more likely to be RB than Sultan, whose protection claim indicates he's more likely to be a Jack or even a scum protection of some sort. Second of all, Dumey's argument is that Sultan would have been blocked by Scum instead of me? I don't have a bloody clue where the concept of two scum blockers or whatever has come from, given there's been literally no indication of it thus far, and the likelihood he's either lying through his teeth or Eaed jailed him is really high. Dumey's somehow attempting to make it look like if he's scum him lying is bad on me? That's utter tripe.

To whoever asked if Death was a townread for anyone, I'd say he is for me. Yesterday, when Red was basically nailed on and nobody was around, he was trying to prod action and get something happening, whether it was a Red lynch or not. I don't say any scum except one who's pretty aggressive and confident in their abilities doing that. Furthermore, I haven't really seen anything I disliked from him despite being around at similar times to him and reading a lot of his posts since I replaced in, while the same doesn't go for many others.
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Btw one thing that is bothering me is i have seen a couple times people calling people town for not supporting lynching panth day 2.

Panth looked scum as fuck and honestly the only people with reason to call him town at the time are scum looking to pick up points later.

Did Sultan just avoid voting Panth, or did he actually say he thought Panth was town?
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Panth definitely did look awful, but so did Leo. Surely you'd agree that out of the two, scum was more likely to be on the Panth lynch?
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Current Votals (Last #317)

[3] - Dumey - Sheep, Ben, Death
[2] - Sultan - Puns, Dumey
[1] - Red - (Ben), Scare
[1] - Ben - Tange
[0] - Death - (Tony)
[0] - Sheep - (Dumey)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends 11:00 EDT on Monday.
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