Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia topic 9: Time for a party....

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Please don't jail claimed town power in the future.

Sultan could just be lying. He's free to get away with this assumption since scum killed Eaed. I will never believe Tony is scum. Still, I think Crescent is right in that Sultan should be kept alive and made to target Tonjy tomorrow. Even if Tony is killed and Sultan is "blocked", it would let Sheep get off another scan. If there's magically two roleblocks again, Sultan is confirmed scum.

And nice, I really like how both PJ and Sheep are choosing their scans.

##Vote: Edumey
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Also, it's odd Sheep was not blocked or killed. It means that scum may not have a ninja, since blocking Tony was more important to them. Or it means that perhaps their Godfather has not yet been scanned and they were hoping for that. This is usually what it means every time the claimed cop is left untouched. So I trust Mzero and Tange a little more to not be godfathers.
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##Unvote

##Vote: Dumey

I need to unvote
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Puns just counterclaimed Ed Sheeran

...nah he said scum would get a safe list.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Also, it's odd Sheep was not blocked or killed.

Yeah, I thought that as well. I didn't stay up for the start of the day because as soon as I got a successful scan I thought I was as good as dead
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Benjamin, if we do The Crescent Plan. Scum will just shoot Tony
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I think regardless of what happens neither me nor Tony will get another scan off and survive to tell it this game, unless Dumey is roleblocker.
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Tried to nap, kept thinking about the game instead

I'll note that scare hardly batted an eye at panth being town, after all he did to lynch him

turbopuns2 posted...

Speaking of Han though, I'd like to hear him explain why he felt the need to claim vanilla at the last second of twilight

It was fun.

turbopuns2 posted...

scare you think red is still scum after that day end?

Red didn't do shit all game. When his lynch was on the table, he put in a modicum of effort (lol timestamps) to take advantage of people feeling uneasy due to the lynch having been settled on. IGCD wasn't chosen because Red thought he was Scummy, he was chosen because other people had been passing his name back and forth.

8 times out of 10, that was a Scum red play, last night.

ScareChan posted...

my issue with han is that he hasnt been right on anything at all

That's not true. I said that it doesn't make sense for IGCD to be Scum unless Panth was Scum. I was right, and I wish I would've thought of that more when the lynch got closer, because it was sound logic, and I should have been fighting to get Red lynched. But I usually don't respect my logic and I let my spat earlier in the day with IGCD mess with me, which was bad.

turbopuns2 posted...

When was the last time han was town

Three games ago. So if you're a statistics person, my odds of being Scum this game are the same as Corrik's!

Now that I'm caught up:
- Scumred has no reason to be saying I look more Townish as he looks back at my posts, so points for him.
- I like Crescent's catch on Scare. Additionally, I DO think Scare might have perspective slipped when he said that Zach was Town. I'll pull up that post in a minute.
- Occulam's has been saying that Sultan was Scum ever since his BG claim, with Corrik being flipped.
- Sheep MVP?

Might be worth reading the lynches of the past day in terms of Dumey+Scare+Sultan as Scum. If I get the chance, I'll check past days too.

Also, concerning Panth - If he didn't Mason-target Sheep, Tony, or FD, then he Mason-targeted Scum (unless his target has yet to post, which I think Dumey is the only one who hasn't after me? But Dumey's gotta be Scum here).
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htaeD posted...

Benjamin, if we do The Crescent Plan. Scum will just shoot Tony

Ah, I forget they have a real roleblock to work with
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benjamin3740 posted...

Ah, I forget they have a real roleblock to work with

?_?

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

A few quick notes.

I was right about Panth, but I'll begrudgingly hand over credit to scarecHan.

Zach looks like utter shit for his first few votes of the day. I promise I meant to go into this day with a vanilla mindset and just tackle things as they appeared, but even my uncaffeinated mind jumped to his posts right away.

Sultan also looks really bad for his one post of the day.

I would also like to remind the masses that IGCD exists, and replaced Lolo, who made a few posts that were kinda scummyish.

I would accept a train on eaed.

ScareChan posted...

town
town
maybe town
town
town

I refuse to believe that han is this bad

For the record, when I said I was right about Panth, it was because Scare had 'caught' him. I believed Scare. Whomever was pointing out that it was weird that I'd say I was right about him is silly.

The rest of this list is Scare calling Zach "town", and calling Sultan "maybe town". Meaning, Scare in attacking me, is not thinking of Sultan as "probably Scum" like the rest of us, and is actively thinking of Zach as Town.

I very well see Scumboard talk as them talking about who is practically considered Town, and including Zach in that list due to his interactions with Zam.
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Ben makes sense to me as fourth Scum in this suggested team.
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Sheep007 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Also, it's odd Sheep was not blocked or killed.

Yeah, I thought that as well. I didn't stay up for the start of the day because as soon as I got a successful scan I thought I was as good as dead

Adding onto the theory that they're trying to let a Godfather get scanned, if that's true it means the team is in a situation where they thought it was unlikely a non-godfather was going to get scanned, meaning most of the team was already signed off as un-saveable. So if this ends up true and Dumey or something flips Godfather, it lends more evidence to people like Red and Sultan being scum.
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I still find it weird that Tange didn't post anything of substance the entire game until the start of this day.

Perhaps Ben is Scum and trying to do this Godfather logic to try to clear a Godfather scan?
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I think the odds of dumey flipping godfather are low, ben.

turbopuns2 posted...

I think the odds of dumey flipping godfather are low, ben.

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If I'm scum, no one is going to go back and listen to this Godfather stuff anyway. I'm putting it out there because I think it's true. But yes that last post is probably going too far because I have no idea when we'll find out the alignments of Tange and Mzero.
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Han with you suggesting a Scare/Ben team, what do you think about Scare reaming ben last night with the early day 2 stuff about Panth and Leo?

Is he just bussing because he can?

why would Edumey flip godfather?
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turbopuns2 posted...

I think the odds of dumey flipping godfather are low, ben.

I know, it's just the soonest possible way to find out if this was right at all, so it's best possible scenario.
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But yeah scum not blocking, probably means they have a godfather (or they want us to think Tange/Mzero arent godfathers)
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OH. Oh yeah

Hah
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benjamin3740 posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I think the odds of dumey flipping godfather are low, ben.

I know, it's just the soonest possible way to find out if this was right at all, so it's best possible scenario.

I reiterate
why would a SCUMSCANNED player, flip godfather?
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scanned guilty
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Ninja'd, but I still got to use some capslock!
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MZero painted a huge target on his back with his claim. Target Bomb is one of the most powerful, if not most powerful, endgame roles for Town.

With a scan on Dumey, we take the guaranteed lynch there, watch as one of Sheep or Tony die, and then presumably lynch Sultan because 5% chance he is Town who correctly blocks a Scum kill.

Then the other dies?

THAT following night is where we'd be likely to see MZero killed, unless he is Scum or Scum try to be cute and get a mislynch off of him. But trying to mislynch a Target Bomb, if you believe them, is a scary idea.

Also, MZero - when we had our back-and-forth, you said it wouldn't end well for me. I see what you mean now :)
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htaeD posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I think the odds of dumey flipping godfather are low, ben.

I know, it's just the soonest possible way to find out if this was right at all, so it's best possible scenario.

I reiterate
why would a SCUMSCANNED player, flip godfather?

If Sheep is insane cop of course!
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turbopuns2 posted...

Han with you suggesting a Scare/Ben team, what do you think about Scare reaming ben last night with the early day 2 stuff about Panth and Leo?

Is he just bussing because he can?

It is not something I considered in saying that, just felt that Ben has looked real Scummy.
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Scum screwed up by allowing me to scan today in the first place. Ed has already been established to be poor at choosing night actions as jailer and leaving him alive wouldn't have damaged them as much as a potential clear/confirmed scum. I believe that if there is a godfather it's Ben or Red, who they may have expected me to scan. I'm actually not sure there is a ninja, because if there is then why would they block Tony? Unless Ben suggested the godfather gambit he's currently proposing here. Which seems especially likely if he is godfather, since I voiced suspicion of him all D3 and it looks almost as though he's trying to justify a decision to not block me?
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If sheep is insane cop, let's party because the game is pretty much over

Sheep007 posted...

Scum screwed up by allowing me to scan today in the first place. Ed has already been established to be poor at choosing night actions as jailer and leaving him alive wouldn't have damaged them as much as a potential clear/confirmed scum. I believe that if there is a godfather it's Ben or Red, who they may have expected me to scan. I'm actually not sure there is a ninja, because if there is then why would they block Tony? Unless Ben suggested the godfather gambit he's currently proposing here. Which seems especially likely if he is godfather, since I voiced suspicion of him all D3 and it looks almost as though he's trying to justify a decision to not block me?

Jeez maybe next time I'll just keep my brilliant observations to myself.
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turbopuns2 posted...

If sheep is insane cop, let's party because the game is pretty much over

Meant to say, if sheep is insane cop and Dumey is godfather

Is ESCumey the only player yet to post this day?
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I don't think he's posted yet, no. Hasn't been online since I revealed my scan.
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What if Tony was RB'd instead of Sheep because Sheep is Scum?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

What if Tony was RB'd instead of Sheep because Sheep is Scum?

I mean it's possible.

That's only really possible if Plum was cop, and I guess we'll figure out with Edumey's flip.
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masterplum posted...

I want PJ and Puns to clarify in no uncertain terms if they are or are not a miller.

I dont want any of this scum scan business where one of them is scanned guilty and says oh lol see I was telling the truth, or was scanned innocent and says oh lol I was lying,

This isnt a role like cop or doc where the uncertainty is potentially valuable. Scum isnt going to gain from knowing for sure if or if not either of you two are millers.

I will be gone most of the day, be back in the evening

Meh, doesn't matter if that's a possibility from the point of view of you guys, Dumey is scum and I'll be killed soon enough anyway for lynching me to never become a serious discussion.
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Sheep007 posted...

Meh, doesn't matter if that's a possibility from the point of view of you guys, Dumey is scum and I'll be killed soon enough anyway for lynching me to never become a serious discussion.

This is true enough.

turbopuns2 posted...

masterplum posted...

I want PJ and Puns to clarify in no uncertain terms if they are or are not a miller.

I dont want any of this scum scan business where one of them is scanned guilty and says oh lol see I was telling the truth, or was scanned innocent and says oh lol I was lying,

This isnt a role like cop or doc where the uncertainty is potentially valuable. Scum isnt going to gain from knowing for sure if or if not either of you two are millers.

I will be gone most of the day, be back in the evening

hmmmmmmm
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would plum be that obvious though?

Hell, when I asked for Plum or Puns to reclaim I sometimes tried to talk like I was a cop myself. But I guess that wouldnt work anyway.
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and leo was very obviously hinting cop day 2

like, blatantly

I was considering this yesterday and last night but really didn't expect sheep to claim a guilty if he's lying

the biggest reason I can think he might be willing to gambit a fake guilty here is if he's scum and also scum has a framer which we will see flip at some point and then sheep has some credibility

That is an almost frighteningly perfect post to cast doubt on sheeps claim.

...Im not ready to die.
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Hmmm, could explain pj upholding miller and sheep suddenly changing it.

Easy fix on that though.
We tell Sultan to guard Tony and Tony watches Sheep.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...Im not ready to die.

Buddy... :\

turbopuns2 posted...

and leo was very obviously hinting cop day 2

like, blatantly

I was considering this yesterday and last night but really didn't expect sheep to claim a guilty if he's lying

the biggest reason I can think he might be willing to gambit a fake guilty here is if he's scum and also scum has a framer which we will see flip at some point and then sheep has some credibility

I mean, I saw the one post that looked a LOT like Leo hinting he had a scan... on Corrik?

But did he have mroe than one?
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Like dumey flips town, they kill tony, bus the framer tomorrow, and "block" sheep the rest of the game?

This feels kinda flimsy but I like conspiracies

I don't see there being a specialised framer on scum team. From what we can assume...

Roleblocker
Godfather
Doctor/Ninja/Jack
Janitor/Goon

If there's a framer on that Jack they were insanely ballsy to use it on Dumey, at that time, and it's not particularly worth considering.
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Where did a framer come from?

Also Leo could have been trying to claim detective instead, like some said.
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htaeD posted...

We tell Sultan to guard Tony and Tony watches Sheep

Should this not be the plan anyway? Basically guaranteed to either get one inno scan or one scum
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