Board 8 > Scarlet Ranks User-Created Superhero Teams

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Raetsel_Lapin posted...

Out of curiosity, how would you work Doomsday onto a team that doesn't come in last place? I spent the day thinking about it and...well I don't have enough comics knowledge to come up with much of anything. The closest I could get would be a one-shot alternate universe set during Civil War:

Tony & Reed, having already gone rather...psychotic during the plot, go even further and create a wretched monstrosity to brutally force compliance. And then everyone dies shortly afterwards, because of course they do, there's no version of "we create and/or enslave something called Doomsday to destroy our enemies" that doesn't end that way. But, your line about building the entire team around him, makes me think you had at least half an idea to work with?

If you want Doomsday on a team, you have to create a team that is willing to manipulate someone in order to achieve their ends and also have means in place to deal with him should he shirk whatever manipulation is in effect. Also, from a story perspective, you need to dump in a title where the threats would actually not get completely bowled over by Doomsday.

I'm a big fan of Psycho-Pirate, so I think he's a great option to control and manipulate Doomsday. I can just imagine him being sort of unhinged and frolicking around Doomsday while controlling all of Doomsday's extremely base emotions in order to achieve whatever ends he desires. Of course, you need someone who can control and manipulate Psycho-Pirate, and I think a solid John Constantine is a great choice. Constantine cares not a whip's stitch about the morality of his goals, so working with Doomsday would mean nothing to him. I'd likely want a couple heavier hitters on the team in case Doomsday gets out of control, so I'd put together the couple of Mary Marvel and Jesse Quick for that purpose. I've always thought they have a really great potential as a romantic item. I'd also include Bulleteer and the Thinker to round out the team. Bulleteer is a great character you can build over time, and Thinker fulfills that utility position and adds a little of that shade of villainy you need to keep the team in flux morally. My final addition would be Faith, a minor character who has a shady past but also very angelic/ethereal powers. Minor character that could be used as a Constantine love interest but also develop as her own character.

But that's just off the top of my head.
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IhatethisCPU posted...

A truly excellent comics team draws A-Listers and D-Listers alike.

*Looks at every team that I entered.* ...I appear to have made numerous creative errors.

You don't have too! The Justice League didn't start that way, and neither did the Avengers. But you'll notice that, as the years went on, both teams sought to give platform to some minor characters and bolster their position in their respective universes. Nowadays, teams try to bring both heavy hitters and undiscovered gems (like the Guardians of the Galaxy) in order to create unique chemistries that set them apart from other teams. You can't duplicate the Guardians, for example, without literally duplicating them. The Secret Six is another team where it's such a unique and fresh chemistry that you don't want to screw with it. But a team with no range of characters is a bad sell.
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#67 - Team Movie Fixer Created by: Tangy

Following the ending of Deadpool 2, Deadpool heads into the comic-verse to gather various heroes and villains to kill their awful movie counterparts in the real world. All the heroes are under the guise that they're evil clones of themselves.

Deadpool
Lex Luthor
Cyclops
Venom
Catwoman
Steel
Invisible Woman
Mr. Freeze
Whiplash
The Mandarin

While there are membership problems with this team, I flushed this team so early on primarily because of the concept. I really detest mean-spirited comic books, and the idea that a company would devote resources and talent to skewering the works of other creative talents just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Your mileage may also vary on whether or not every one of these so-called bad movie iterations are actually that terrible. I personally like almost every single Lex Luthor out there, and the Mandarin was perfectly fine. And was Cyclops really that bad? They nailed him pretty much perfectly out of the comic. Are you telling me that there is a difference between whiny stick-in-the-mud comics Cyclops and whiny stick-in-the-mud movie Cyclops? Oh, I realize what it is. Cyclops in the comics has made way more unbelievably stupid decisions and hogs way more screentime. So, with this really unpleasant concept in consideration, I have to dump this team.

But, of course, there are membership issues as well. Deadpool and Lex Luthor would completely and utterly detest one another. Lex Luthor actually has no sense of humor. It's been medically proven. In that part of his brain where humor would be, the part that makes giant gadgets and is xenophobic has swooped in and purged the laughs from the system. Deadpool would probably end up murdered because A) Lex is that vindictive and B) never tell Lex someone can't be killed because he will find a way and it will be horrific and painful. Then you have a wide mix of heroes and villains on the rest of the roster. Granted, mostly we're dealing with villains, but there's no way any of the DC people will be willing to work with Cyclops. He will piss everyone of individually and for different reasons. And then you have heroes trying to work with Mandarin, and I think it all just falls apart.

Not to mention that Invisible Woman would not be willing to kill herself in a different dimension. This isn't Marvel Zombies.

Membership Drive: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen would like to party with this group. So would the Phantom. And the Shadow. And Bullseye. And the Shade. And Captain America. And Nick Fury...
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I think the more interesting (and frankly, more likely) plot is Deadpool working with Jesse Eisenberg to kill comic Lex Luthor.

Hell I think he sides with the actor with most of those. Maybe Cyclops he mercy kills both of em.
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Im bummed because even after scarletd edits both of these teams are DNR.

The fixed Bodyslamers are on an unprecedented hot streak!
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I can resuscitate some things, but concepts are concepts in both of these cases. I don't want to be like "Well if you replace the entire Locations team with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter and Plastic Man... you get a really good team!"
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This is a cool project who came up with this idea
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is a cool project who came up with this idea

https://imgur.com/12qmDwb
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Also I know I'm late but if I come up with a team can it be rankedish.
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I'd be happy to give some cursory thoughts!
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Ok, I have the team in my mind, but I want to refine it first.
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so I totally get why those two dropped so low but I have legitimate hope for Friendly Buds and maybe Scarlet Starlets

Gorgeous probably won't do great but the other two could potentially do good
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#66 - The Terrible Husbands Created by: Inviso

<LEADER> Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards)
Spider-Man (Peter Parker)
The Incredible Hulk (Bruce Banner)
Cyclops (Scott Summers)
Hawkeye (Clint Barton)
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

What should I do with you, Inviso?

The concept of abusive or neglectful husbands being showcased on a team was a bad idea in the 60s and an even worse idea now. Sure, I love to joke about how terrible Hank Pym is. We all do that from time to time. That's because the script was misunderstood by an artist and a physical assault was accidentally drawn into the panels of a comic. But to say, "Hey, let's glorify that concept by creating a team that features spousal abuse," just rings extremely hollow to me.

It's a shame, too. This roster could be a theoretically good team. There is a good amount of history between characters here, and natural chemistry since none of them really step on each other's toes in terms of personality or abilities. I could give this title a real shot. But you had to get cute and it just comes off as abusive and mean. And I don't need abusive and mean as the entire theme of an ongoing comic series. Let's parade these people around and trumpet their darkest moments for comedic effect!
It actually kind of shows that you think wife-beating is a joke. So now you all know something about Inviso.

Membership Drive: Literally no mention of the guy who cheated on his wife while she was pregnant? Jim Gordon should definitely be involved in this group - hell, he was Batman for an entire year! Alan Scott would also fit in here pretty well.
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Remove Cyclops and Hawkeye and you just have team scientist >_>
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Figured the Movie Fixers would be my first elim. When I thought of it, I got a good laugh out of it, but you're totally right in it being really mean spirited if it actually existed and yeah I was even questioning some of the member picks as I made the list.
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#65 - The Public Domain Created by: GavsEvans

No licenses? No problem!

Thor (Marvel)
Loki (Marvel)
Ares (DC)
Hercules (Marvel)
Hercules (DC)
Zeus (DC)

This ranking is going to seem unreasonably, irrationally stupid, but I freaking hate that, with a concept as massive as "The Public Domain", all that apparently anyone could come up with were mythological characters from two pantheons. And one of them is duplicated twice. Because DC's Hercules is so memorable. We really needed him on a supergroup. I especially love that time he, um, you know... yeah. And how do you go with DC's Ares, a character that is notoriously incapable of playing well with others, and ignore Marvel's much more interesting version of the character? The rage that is building within me here is just ridiculous.

On top of the bizarre duplication of characters and the extremely narrow focus of the concept of "Public Domain", this team is going to be dysfunctional. Loki and Thor will naturally tear each other apart. Ares and Zeus hate each other in DC Comics, and the fact that you included Zeus means that the one the FREAKING QUINTESSENCE is going to be relegated to working with a bunch of utterly weak characters in comparison. And we're talking about Hulk/Superman level heavy hitters here. It's just nonsensical that Zeus would need to ever be employed with such rude assemblage.

Membership Drive: So, I thought I would restructure this group entirely using a more reasonable group of Public Domain figures who appear in comics. I'll start by using Alan Quatermain as the team leader. Captain Nemo would be a great choice for this team because he can supply transportation and he's a very layered character. Wilhelmina Murray could be a utility player with a dark secret, and for some variety, add the Invisible Man, and Jekyll/Hyde to fill out the remainder of the roster. I think there is a lot of potential for chemistry here. Interactions between various classes in society rooted in Victorian era culture could really drive the focal point of an adventure-oriented series, all based on public dom-

Okay, that doesn't work? How about a series based on all of the Public Domain superheroes that exist? We'll have them all translated to the modern day and we'll feature guys like the Black Terror and Green Lama. It'll be built on public dom-

Fine, fine, I'll do a more serious one. Imagine a world where fairy tales and fables from throughout history are gathered together in the real world. We'll make them clandestine; all forced to disguise their true selves, these various storytelling figures will develop different personalities based on a more mundane world around them. You can have Prince Charming be a philanderer, Little Boy Blue scraping by in jazz nightclubs, the Big Bad Wolf working as a sheriff -

Whatever, I give up.
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I laughed
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davidponte posted...

Oh shit, not sure how I managed to entirely miss the nomination period for this, but I'm hyped to see these rankings.

I looked through the first few pages of the doc, but figured it'd be more interesting to be surprised with each team that comes up.

Tag!

This
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Hahah.

Yet another DNR.
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#64 - The Six Created by: Not Mega Mana!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Thesix.jpg

Havok (Alex Summers)
Marvel Woman (Madelyne Pryor)
Ice-Man (Bob Drake)
Bloodstorm (Ororo Munroe)
Fallen (Warren Worthington III)
Brute (Hank McCoy)

For purposes of this list, I wanted to rank the sole pre-made team lowly. I do want to reward originality, so while I realize that this was nominated simply out of curiosity, you are that cat, and it's killing you softly.

The question here is whether or not I like Mutant X and the rest of the universe.

No.

I mean, it was kind of fun. I do enjoy alternate reality comics. And I'm a huge sucker for Havok in any form or fashion. After all the single interesting person in that generation of Summers/Greys has to be worth something, right? The problem with the Mutant X version of the X-Men is that I came into that series having already discovered Exiles. And while Mutant X at least came out of the gate sooner than Exiles, it didn't beat, say, Age of Apocalypse. And these mutant-centric alternate realities all draw natural comparisons to one another. I found the writing on Mutant X too flimsy for the ideas it contained. That's Howard Mackie's problem. As a writer, he was focused primarily on Havok-in-Time! and less on what made these alternate versions of staple characters tick. I found that the chemistry for these all-new, all-different X-folks just wasn't well-established.

When I look at great alternate reality teams, Exiles of course comes to mind first. But within universes, the mutants have groups like Gambit and the X-Ternals and of course Ultimate X-Men, both of which stand head and shoulders above this group.
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That last write-up sucked, but from this point forward, I think we'll be back on track and all having fun with me being probably way too picky about comic bookery!
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Deadpool and Lex Luthor would completely and utterly detest one another. Lex Luthor actually has no sense of humor. It's been medically proven. In that part of his brain where humor would be, the part that makes giant gadgets and is xenophobic has swooped in and purged the laughs from the system.

I would watch this buddy cop movie
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scarletspeed7 posted...

#64 - The Six Created by: Not Mega Mana!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Thesix.jpg

Havok (Alex Summers)
Marvel Woman (Madelyne Pryor)
Ice-Man (Bob Drake)
Bloodstorm (Ororo Munroe)
Fallen (Warren Worthington III)
Brute (Hank McCoy)

For purposes of this list, I wanted to rank the sole pre-made team lowly. I do want to reward originality, so while I realize that this was nominated simply out of curiosity, you are that cat, and it's killing you softly.

The question here is whether or not I like Mutant X and the rest of the universe.

No.

I mean, it was kind of fun. I do enjoy alternate reality comics. And I'm a huge sucker for Havok in any form or fashion. After all the single interesting person in that generation of Summers/Greys has to be worth something, right? The problem with the Mutant X version of the X-Men is that I came into that series having already discovered Exiles. And while Mutant X at least came out of the gate sooner than Exiles, it didn't beat, say, Age of Apocalypse. And these mutant-centric alternate realities all draw natural comparisons to one another. I found the writing on Mutant X too flimsy for the ideas it contained. That's Howard Mackie's problem. As a writer, he was focused primarily on Havok-in-Time! and less on what made these alternate versions of staple characters tick. I found that the chemistry for these all-new, all-different X-folks just wasn't well-established.

When I look at great alternate reality teams, Exiles of course comes to mind first. But within universes, the mutants have groups like Gambit and the X-Ternals and of course Ultimate X-Men, both of which stand head and shoulders above this group.

Fair. I was thinking about a team with Bloodstorm on it and trying to think of bad fate characters, but just kept coming back to The Six. It's definitely a team that doesn't work well (and falls apart in just a matter of issues), but I really enjoyed how it highlighted how things could've gone wrong for the team members with just a little bit of difference in circumstance. Bloodstorm, Ice-Man, and The Brute are wedged into my brain, especially that panel where Bob freaks the **** out when Alex tries to shake his hand. I thought it was a great first issue with excellent art and altered backstory, but it definitely fails quickly.

I think the most excited for comics I ever was as a kid was X-Men #80, Uncanny #360, and Mutant X #1. I didn't really follow up, but I was hooked on just those three comics for weeks.

Not at all sad to see this so low. The Exiles are indeed better in every way, though I still prefer this kind of alternate universe where things happen pretty much the same except for one aspect being off or absent (like not being able to save Storm or Loki never giving Bobby the ice belt) over the Ultimate universe, at least in concept since execution usually fails.

Also, the world needs more Ultimate Dazzler.
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I didn't put much thought into my teams admittedly, because I didn't see the topic until the last call went out. Had I seen the topic sooner, I would have taken the time to try and come up with better ideas and teams that would actually work together in some sort of cohesive way.

I'm suprised More Dakka is still in. Since the bottom two were teams where everyone is big and strong, I assumed that everyone having guns would have caused it to drop by now. It's next, isn't it?

Well now that you mention it...
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Mega Mana posted...

Also, the world needs more Ultimate Dazzler.

Accurate post. Ultimate Gambit was my personal favorite Ultimate Xer, but Dazz was great.
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Tag! Also I forgot how fun Scarlet's topics are.
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<3 Raka
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#63 - The Electric Black Guys Created by: Anagram

Static Shock
Black Lightning
Black Vulcan
Thunder Fall
Storm

Falling into the pit of "a bunch of people who all do the same thing", not only are we dealing with a reduplication of efforts here, we've also landed another "two guys who are actually the same person" in Black Vulcan and Black Lightning. Long time comics aficionados will, of course, recall that Vulcan was created for Superfriends due to an editorial edict from DC that Lightning was off-limits.

Oftentmes, when we try to make comic teams, it's extremely important to create a common link between the characters. And, if this was Green Lantern Corps title, that similarity in powers wouldn't be an issue. What kills you here is that every power is used in the exact same way. In the Green Lantern titles, the great writers make it clear that every Lantern (important Lanterns, at least) wields the ring in a different way. The powers may be the same, but the breadth in utilization is as spanning as the mind is creative. Electricity only gets you so far. And it's because of that lack of variety that this team is probably going to torpedo itself. What happens when every villain starts hiring Clayface to take them out?

While I'm all aboard the idea of having an all-black comics team, this is maybe not the best way to go about it. I would go out of my way to find some great black characters with a variety of abilities and backgrounds and make sure not to include Cyborg in that number. Simple as that.

Membership Drive: Let's definitely ground this team in some reality. Black Vulcan is extremely archaic and a complete duplication of Black Lightning. Also, if it's "Black Guys", maybe Anagram wants to fill us in on why Storm is included. Is there something she needs to tell the rest of the class? Replace both of them with Black Adam and New52 Wally West. Both of them are lightning-flavored and yet have an extremely different skillset. A tank and a speedster are totally out-of-left-field inclusions, and yet the two of them probably have more starpower than the rest of the remaining team put together. Plus, you have a little of the shades-of-grey morality in Adam, a character that will immediately try to take over the team for his own country's purposes. Wally is just a good option for comedy (something this team sorely lacks).
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I've actually discussed with other people why Cyborg is DC's default black guy on teams, and it seems to just come down to him and the one Green Lantern being their only big black heroes.
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We have a new first place team!

Black Adam and Black Lightning is a dynamic I wanna see
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It's a shame, too. There are great black characters like Jason Rusch who could easily be pushed as upper B-list talents if not A-list characters. There are also other great minority characters who languish because it seems that DC isn't interested in pushing non-black minority characters. Manitou Raven, Ryan Choi... at least Jessica Cruz is working out well.
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Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz are cool
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#62 - Whoa. Created by: Lopen

The Silver Surfer
Iceman
The Green Goblin
Hobgoblin (Roderick Kingsley)
The Wizard

Conceptually amusing, Lopen's team theoretically should rank higher than this. Unfortunately, this team didn't meet my criteria for cohesion and it also features a redundancy that I think is pretty game-breakingly bad. So while I actually will make the argument that Lopen had some of the more creative lists of the various participants on this project, it's not reflected here.

A group of stoner favorites, ProfDeadpool would love the fact that this list provides a deluge of surfers (much like his favorite documentary). I personally like a lot of the characters that are included here (although I don't think the Wizard QUITE fits with this group, but that's still okay). I also think Silver Surfer and Iceman have the potential for a FANTASTIC relationship. I've pitched this in my own random dream assemblages from time to time. I think that, given the clear new sexuality of Iceman and the amorphous nature of Silver Surfer being Silver Surfer, you could have a great, deep and complicated relationship. Not the sort of skin-deep ones that you get on the CW.

But but but but but! I absolutely detest Green Goblin and Hobgoblin on the same team. It's such a copycat measure on a small team that it makes it look like 40% of the team is valueless. And with the Wizard not quite confirming to the whole situation, still gives the potential for this team to be more unique and versatile. Lopen came close to making something special, but I'm going to fix it, so stand by.

Membership Drive: What this team needs - what this team WANTS - is more than one form of consistent transport. I would ditch both Goblins and instead add the Scarlet Skier and Metron. Metron is the perfect choice for a team leader in this group, and having a detached and mysterious leader with his own unspoken agenda allows for a few villains to sneak in with the heroes . Scarlet Skier is that obscure team member with the sort of personality that could bloom over time. We're also throwing in a couple different personal transport vehicles (a chair and skis), which should help. I might even add a female team member, maybe crib Orion's Astro-Harness and slam it on an unlikely team member. I'm thinking about throwing in Tarantula (Catalina Flores) and create a unique fish-out-of-water situation. This team now has a motive for existing, a leader that can provide a variety of threats and interesting situations, and a team dynamic that allows for different chemistry amongst members. Whoa.
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I don't even disagree with it being low and am kinda surprised it got that high. Going to guess your Silver Surfer/Iceman team synergy fandom, which was completely coincidence because that obviously isn't why I put them both on the team, is to blame there.

But yeah I sorta made it as a parody of the "here are a bunch of dudes who do the same thing" teams I'd seen a lot of at that point in the topic. Also as an excuse to put Hobgoblin on a team, I suppose, cause I <3 Hobgoblin. I really should've just cut Green Goblin since the minimum was 4, but it took me a bit to think of The Wizard and then I didn't think to shoot for the minimum again.
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Honestly, I think it gave me the basis for the best rework I've done so far.
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Yeah that's worth something. I can't speak for the quality of the rework beyond the basic descriptions you've given cause I'm a dirty casual and don't know any of those characters (also even if I did know them for the purpose of this team I wouldn't because surf or die-- for the purpose of an actual good team, sure) but good to contribute something to talk about in that section, if for no other reason than to help Eddv out.
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I just made it Surf or Ski or Sit or Die! I could add Golden Glider and make it Surf or Ski or Skate or Sit or Die...
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Golden Glider + Scarlet Skier I suppose I may have stretched for if I knew them. It's sufficiently extreme that it fits "Whoa."

I don't know about this sitting thing. I guess if he's the leader it can work though, especially with a detached and mysterious personality.
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Tell me this doesn't look like the badass leader of lazy floaters:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/675834-metron.jpg
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Duuude
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That dude is laid back as hell.
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#61 - Scarlet Starlets Created by: Johnbobb

Badass redhead ladies

Siryn
Batwoman
Hope Summers
Black Widow
Jean Grey
Madelyne Pryor
Velocity

Johnbobb created an "Angels" team and had the clever foresight to name it after me. Brilliantly planned, he attempted to convince the sole arbiter of success on these lists that he had created this team himself. Well, Johnbobb... I see through your tricky ruse. I'm not a man without a little perception. I've been monitoring your nominations, your Gauntlet Crew Ranks lists.... I know your every move. I've sussed out the truth, and I'm here to expose it.

This is just a chunk of your favorite characters.

And what's worse here, what's the real killer, is that half of the team is Jean Grey-alikes, and the other half isn't. It's such a lopsided presentation that it pretty much fucks the team over. And that's too bad, mainly because any time someone sells me Siryn or Batwoman, I'm willing to give them a chance. However, you bet too much of the farm on House Summers, and it's blowing up in your face.

Firstly, the power set of these mutie redheads is way too similar. It's also one of those ill-defined power sets that is too convenient in storytelling. With Hope and Jean, it makes the stakes disappear in most stories. Furthermore, Madelyne Pryor would never ever work with Jean Grey, and vice versa. Even if they did, it's literally just a SummersSlam after that point. The rest of the team will get no time to develop their own characters because the Grey Wave will steal all of the screen time. If you just want Jean and Scott in a book, ask for Jean and Scott in a book. The rest of these characters are going to end up as complete afterthoughts. I think it's important to not underestimate what a mired mishmash of familial drama any Grey/Summers experience is. It completely has driven lots of fans off of titles over the years and rutted the various X-teams in uninteresting fan controversy. Dredging it up with one of the more disliked plot points (Madelyne) is only going to make things worse.

Membership Drive: Let's be honest here. If this was a book about red-headed stepchildren uniting under the banner of Femme Fantastique, we should ditch all three of your Summers' choices. Instead, give me Rachel Grey in one of those slots. Also, throw me Oracle circa 2005. Barbara Gordon is the non-field leader this team desperately needs. No one else here can even work a telephone. I'd throw in Mera for a regal attitude that gives the team some needed internal conflict thanks to arrogance. Maxima would be an alternate for Mera in the event I can't use her. Also, give me Angela. She would be fun as hell once we ditch all of these unnecessary mutants that make the book too much of an X-title without enough X-family members. Angela also gives us the option to go into space should we want a more cosmic fight on our hands. With a much larger variety of characters, at least now we aren't beholden to spend a biweekly adventure delving into the hidden dramas behind why Scott is cheating on one or more of his wives with Emma Frost.
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I forget. Does Waverider have a board?
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No. He literally rides waves with just his feet. He crossed my mind, but he doesn't fit sadly.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

No. He literally rides waves with just his feet. He crossed my mind, but he doesn't fit sadly.

Thanks. Totally forgot whether he did or didn't. Really like the adds of Metron and Skier.
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It actually wasn't just my favorite characters!

I mean, it was originally created as a way to make Siryn leader of a team that wasn't just X-Force 2.0, but ultimately only Siryn and Hope Summers are characters I'd consider favorites. In fact I almost didn't include Jean Grey because I don't particularly like her, but she's one of the most significant redhead heroes in comics so it felt necessary.

I'd blame comic writers for not making enough redhead ladies that aren't Summerses but that's also probably my fault for not reading enough comics to know more of them

Would it have done better if I cut out Jean and Madelyne and kept the other 5? Or is Hope Summers still too powerful to be on a team with the others?
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Hope Summers really is where this list falls apart.

Well Madelyne Pryor too.

I wonder how much worse my Madelyne/Jean team would have done
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Johnbobb posted...

Would it have done better if I cut out Jean and Madelyne and kept the other 5? Or is Hope Summers still too powerful to be on a team with the others?

Hope isn't going to do you any favors. Rachel is the smart choice for a team when it comes to the redheads of the clan. Also, the additional personalities I threw in are what would really bolster you team because they are so dynamically different from the safety of the others.
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yeah I can see that

I just like Hope Summers

she's considerably better than the rest of the Summers
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