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Full Throttle 07/31/18 12:50:22 AM #1:	Do you think the cop who shot ciara should share some responsibility in this? - Results (3 votes) Yes 0% (0 votes) 0 No 100% (3 votes) 3 60 y/o Donald Meyer Jr from Pennsylvania is charged with manslaughter for killing his 12 y/o daughter...even though a COP was the one who shot and killed her!! It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!! The bullet struck her and killed her instantly A Jury deliberated for 2 and a half hours before finding him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and other counts DA Andrew Bender told jurors that Donald didn't pull the trigger but was responsible and said that parents are supposed to protect their children and not put them in harm's way. The confrontation was taken by property manager Ashley Hill who was 20 ft away and testified in court that the child stepped up behind the father. She heard Ciara saying "Dad, stop. Dad stop" She said Donald had ANTI-GOVERNMENT views and thought everyone was against him She said Meyer feared his home was being "invaded" and picked up a gun he was cleaning to protec this home and blamed the cop for his daughter's death. Family members are "relieved" on the outcome as Jason Gehman, Ciara's uncle said they still talk about Ciara to this day. Do you think the Cop should share some of the responsibility on this?. Donald - Guilty Nutcase http://tinyurl.com/yd9v257g https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE475000000578-6004665-image-m-3_1532902452941.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE477800000578-6004665-image-a-16_1532902706276.jpg Ciara - Deceased https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE480E00000578-6004665-image-m-14_1532902565905.jpg http://tinyurl.com/y9m5onvy --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. A GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS. THIS ACCOUNT ONLY!! I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:906006472] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote> Do you think the cop who shot ciara should share some responsibility in this? - Results (3 votes) Yes 0% (0 votes) 0 No 100% (3 votes) 3 60 y/o Donald Meyer Jr from Pennsylvania is charged with manslaughter for killing his 12 y/o daughter...even though a COP was the one who shot and killed her!! It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!! The bullet struck her and killed her instantly A Jury deliberated for 2 and a half hours before finding him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and other counts DA Andrew Bender told jurors that Donald didn't pull the trigger but was responsible and said that parents are supposed to protect their children and not put them in harm's way. The confrontation was taken by property manager Ashley Hill who was 20 ft away and testified in court that the child stepped up behind the father. She heard Ciara saying "Dad, stop. Dad stop" She said Donald had ANTI-GOVERNMENT views and thought everyone was against him She said Meyer feared his home was being "invaded" and picked up a gun he was cleaning to protec this home and blamed the cop for his daughter's death. Family members are "relieved" on the outcome as Jason Gehman, Ciara's uncle said they still talk about Ciara to this day. Do you think the Cop should share some of the responsibility on this?. Donald - Guilty Nutcase http://tinyurl.com/yd9v257g https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE475000000578-6004665-image-m-3_1532902452941.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE477800000578-6004665-image-a-16_1532902706276.jpg Ciara - Deceased https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/29/23/4EAE480E00000578-6004665-image-m-14_1532902565905.jpg http://tinyurl.com/y9m5onvy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 07/31/18 12:56:34 AM #2:	No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg https://imgur.com/ggCrHk8 <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:906006711] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/31/18 1:11:14 AM #3:	Full Throttle posted... 60 y/o Donald Meyer Jr from Pennsylvania is charged with manslaughter for killing his 12 y/o daughter...even though a COP was the one who shot and killed her!! Well, that's-- Full Throttle posted... It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!! Oh, fair, next, I suppose, unless the cop failed to identify himself or something. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906007220] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>60 y/o Donald Meyer Jr from Pennsylvania is charged with manslaughter for killing his 12 y/o daughter...even though a COP was the one who shot and killed her!!</quote> Well, that's-- <cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!!</quote> Oh, fair, next, I suppose, unless the cop failed to identify himself or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 07/31/18 1:16:45 AM #4:	Full Throttle posted... It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!! Given the fact it was the farther who caused the cop to act the way he did the blame is all on the farther. Don't point guns at cops. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:906007399] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>It happened in January 11, 2016 when Donald was being evicted from his home and he pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele who tried to kick the door open but saw Donald was holding a g un and immediately fired a single shot that went through ihs arm and killed his 12 y/o daughter Ciara Meyer who was standing behind him!!</quote> Given the fact it was the farther who caused the cop to act the way he did the blame is all on the farther. Don't point guns at cops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 07/31/18 2:46:09 AM #5:	You are a bad person duckbear <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:906009973] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>You are a bad person duckbear</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 07/31/18 2:55:00 AM #6:	fair --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:906010174] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>fair</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/18 3:13:57 AM #7:	He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906010608] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/31/18 3:16:47 AM #8:	Did he know the Constable was there serving him an eviction notice or did he think it was an intruder? --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:906010666] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Did he know the Constable was there serving him an eviction notice or did he think it was an intruder?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenericGuy 07/31/18 10:20:44 AM #9:	America. --- I am not afraid to express my opinions, no matter how unconventional they may be. I don't apologise for doing so. If you don't like what I say, tough. <cite>GenericGuy posted [p:906020791] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nichtcrawler X 07/31/18 11:32:23 AM #11:	Splendid Duckbear journalism. Title made me say yes in a kind of knee jerk reaction. Reading the actual topic... No, you do not keep a loaded gun in the house, point it a cop and then play the victim, everything is on you after stupidity of that level. Now, let's do the sane thing and hope it leads to a healthy discussion on guns. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:906024180] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Splendid Duckbear journalism. Title made me say yes in a kind of knee jerk reaction. Reading the actual topic... No, you do not keep a loaded gun in the house, point it a cop and then play the victim, everything is on you after stupidity of that level. Now, let's do the sane thing and hope it leads to a healthy discussion on guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/18 11:39:51 AM #12:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Splendid Duckbear journalism. Title made me say yes in a kind of knee jerk reaction. Reading the actual topic... No, you do not keep a loaded gun in the house, point it a cop and then play the victim, everything is on you after stupidity of that level. Now, let's do the sane thing and hope it leads to a healthy discussion on guns. He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906024612] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote>Splendid Duckbear journalism. Title made me say yes in a kind of knee jerk reaction. Reading the actual topic... No, you do not keep a loaded gun in the house, point it a cop and then play the victim, everything is on you after stupidity of that level. Now, let's do the sane thing and hope it leads to a healthy discussion on guns.</quote> He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/31/18 11:40:30 AM #13:	Kyuubi4269 posted... He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her. I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:906024643] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her.</quote> I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/18 11:44:47 AM #14:	adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her. I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this. He is suspicious of government, why would he trust the police with his daughter? You can certainly say he didn't do the ideal thing, but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, particularly when he was guarding against the exact individual who fired the killing bullet in to his daughter. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906024867] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her.</quote> I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this.</quote> He is suspicious of government, why would he trust the police with his daughter? You can certainly say he didn't do the ideal thing, but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, particularly when he was guarding against the exact individual who fired the killing bullet in to his daughter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/31/18 11:48:01 AM #15:	Kyuubi4269 posted... but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, He started a firefight while she was right behind him. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:906025037] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter,</quote> He started a firefight while she was right behind him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 07/31/18 12:17:51 PM #17:	Fair. --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:906026558] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 07/31/18 12:53:06 PM #18:	Kyuubi4269 posted... He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter. And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response? --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:906028480] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote> He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter.</quote> And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slacker03150 07/31/18 1:12:28 PM #19:	Could the cop not have just retreated and arrested the guy when he left for groceries or work? --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 <cite>slacker03150 posted [p:906029516] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Could the cop not have just retreated and arrested the guy when he left for groceries or work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 07/31/18 1:19:06 PM #20:	Not to suggest anything but in situations where said officers know they are in harms way but have no clear line-of-fire or there's risk of hurting someone else (i.e. target in a crowd or bystanders behind) what is the "correct" choice to make? Take one for the team? Do their best to not let it escalate that far? Take the shot? I don't want the officer(s) getting hurt but good grief it doesn't look like a pretty situation for them either. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:906029905] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Not to suggest anything but in situations where said officers know they are in harms way but have no clear line-of-fire or there's risk of hurting someone else (i.e. target in a crowd or bystanders behind) what is the "correct" choice to make? Take one for the team? Do their best to not let it escalate that far? Take the shot? I don't want the officer(s) getting hurt but good grief it doesn't look like a pretty situation for them either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/18 1:28:14 PM #21:	adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, He started a firefight while she was right behind him. If you go on the assumption that police must always shoot first, particularly when they're attempting to force entry. Remember, anybody else shooting is supposed to consider what's behind the target even in a life or death scenario. In this case the sensible option for the officer was to leave the doorway. Nichtcrawler X posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter. And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response? He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself. If you really want to charge him with manslaughter then the officer is equally guilty, but I think it should be written off entirely. Zangulus posted... The very premise of his response shows he doesnt even understand the situation hes responding about. The cop wasnt there to do a damned thing with the daughter. Officially, he wasn't there to do anything to the daughter but there are two obvious issues that could certainly be motive to believe harm may be caused: a) If he is made homeless, what happens to his innocent daughter? Obviously she doesn't get to stay there so that's harmful to her. b) He doesn't trust the government, police in the US are notoriously corrupt, why would he trust the police who are already taking his home? Think about this from an emotional perspective, I'm not defending the objective logic. Zangulus posted... The father was the one that put her in harms way. Which is the exact opposite of defending her. If you point a gun at an intruder breaking in to your home with your family inside and the intruder shoots in to the building and kills your daughter, who is normally to blame? From his perspective he was defending against a home invader and where I'm from, you can't be charged for damage caused when acting in good faith to save people. Remember, this is a issue of intent and he certainly didn't believe he was putting her in more danger by the confrontation. And as I said above, charge him over what he actually did, that's more than enough to put him away for a long time. Pursuing manslaughter in this case is simply a push to maintain tyranny over the common man which is basically the opposite of what common law was about. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906030401] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter,</quote> He started a firefight while she was right behind him.</quote> If you go on the assumption that police must always shoot first, particularly when they're attempting to force entry. Remember, anybody else shooting is supposed to consider what's behind the target even in a life or death scenario. In this case the sensible option for the officer was to leave the doorway. <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote> He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter.</quote> And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response?</quote> He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself. If you really want to charge him with manslaughter then the officer is equally guilty, but I think it should be written off entirely. <cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>The very premise of his response shows he doesnt even understand the situation hes responding about. The cop wasnt there to do a damned thing with the daughter. </quote> Officially, he wasn't there to do anything to the daughter but there are two obvious issues that could certainly be motive to believe harm may be caused: a) If he is made homeless, what happens to his innocent daughter? Obviously she doesn't get to stay there so that's harmful to her. b) He doesn't trust the government, police in the US are notoriously corrupt, why would he trust the police who are already taking his home? Think about this from an emotional perspective, I'm not defending the objective logic. <cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>The father was the one that put her in harms way. Which is the exact opposite of defending her.</quote> If you point a gun at an intruder breaking in to your home with your family inside and the intruder shoots in to the building and kills your daughter, who is normally to blame? From his perspective he was defending against a home invader and where I'm from, you can't be charged for damage caused when acting in good faith to save people. Remember, this is a issue of intent and he certainly didn't believe he was putting her in more danger by the confrontation. And as I said above, charge him over what he actually did, that's more than enough to put him away for a long time. Pursuing manslaughter in this case is simply a push to maintain tyranny over the common man which is basically the opposite of what common law was about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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peanutt121 07/31/18 2:22:08 PM #23:	Kyuubi4269 posted... adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, He started a firefight while she was right behind him. If you go on the assumption that police must always shoot first, particularly when they're attempting to force entry. Remember, anybody else shooting is supposed to consider what's behind the target even in a life or death scenario. In this case the sensible option for the officer was to leave the doorway. Nichtcrawler X posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter. And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response? He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself. If you really want to charge him with manslaughter then the officer is equally guilty, but I think it should be written off entirely. Zangulus posted... The very premise of his response shows he doesnt even understand the situation hes responding about. The cop wasnt there to do a damned thing with the daughter. Officially, he wasn't there to do anything to the daughter but there are two obvious issues that could certainly be motive to believe harm may be caused: a) If he is made homeless, what happens to his innocent daughter? Obviously she doesn't get to stay there so that's harmful to her. b) He doesn't trust the government, police in the US are notoriously corrupt, why would he trust the police who are already taking his home? Think about this from an emotional perspective, I'm not defending the objective logic. Zangulus posted... The father was the one that put her in harms way. Which is the exact opposite of defending her. If you point a gun at an intruder breaking in to your home with your family inside and the intruder shoots in to the building and kills your daughter, who is normally to blame? From his perspective he was defending against a home invader and where I'm from, you can't be charged for damage caused when acting in good faith to save people. Remember, this is a issue of intent and he certainly didn't believe he was putting her in more danger by the confrontation. And as I said above, charge him over what he actually did, that's more than enough to put him away for a long time. Pursuing manslaughter in this case is simply a push to maintain tyranny over the common man which is basically the opposite of what common law was about. This entire response is proof you can't fix stupid. --- I may very well be the oldest member of the site, but I am far from the dumbest :) <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:906033444] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter,</quote> He started a firefight while she was right behind him.</quote> If you go on the assumption that police must always shoot first, particularly when they're attempting to force entry. Remember, anybody else shooting is supposed to consider what's behind the target even in a life or death scenario. In this case the sensible option for the officer was to leave the doorway. <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote> He should be responsible for his crimes, not for the officer shooting through him to kill his daughter.</quote> And pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime? With the cop opening fire not the logical response?</quote> He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself. If you really want to charge him with manslaughter then the officer is equally guilty, but I think it should be written off entirely. <cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>The very premise of his response shows he doesnt even understand the situation hes responding about. The cop wasnt there to do a damned thing with the daughter. </quote> Officially, he wasn't there to do anything to the daughter but there are two obvious issues that could certainly be motive to believe harm may be caused: a) If he is made homeless, what happens to his innocent daughter? Obviously she doesn't get to stay there so that's harmful to her. b) He doesn't trust the government, police in the US are notoriously corrupt, why would he trust the police who are already taking his home? Think about this from an emotional perspective, I'm not defending the objective logic. <cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>The father was the one that put her in harms way. Which is the exact opposite of defending her.</quote> If you point a gun at an intruder breaking in to your home with your family inside and the intruder shoots in to the building and kills your daughter, who is normally to blame? From his perspective he was defending against a home invader and where I'm from, you can't be charged for damage caused when acting in good faith to save people. Remember, this is a issue of intent and he certainly didn't believe he was putting her in more danger by the confrontation. And as I said above, charge him over what he actually did, that's more than enough to put him away for a long time. Pursuing manslaughter in this case is simply a push to maintain tyranny over the common man which is basically the opposite of what common law was about.</quote> This entire response is proof you can't fix stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/31/18 2:53:49 PM #24:	Zangulus posted... Jen0125 posted... Did he know the Constable was there serving him an eviction notice or did he think it was an intruder? According to testimony from the officer, the officer knocked. The defendant answered: Meyer first opened the door just enough to stick his head out. When Steele told him today was the day for the eviction, Meyer told him, "Well, I'm not going to let that happen" and went back inside. So yeah. He knew it was a cop...m The defendant even had his wife put away the AK after the shooting... https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/07/constable_donald_meyer_ciara_m.html Okay, then the father should have been charged and I find nothing wrong with this. He got his own daughter killed. Why was she even in the vacinity when he knew there was a police officer and he had an AK-47 ready to go when the cop kicked in the door? --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:906035183] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>Did he know the Constable was there serving him an eviction notice or did he think it was an intruder?</quote> According to testimony from the officer, the officer knocked. The defendant answered: <quote>Meyer first opened the door just enough to stick his head out. When Steele told him today was the day for the eviction, Meyer told him, "Well, I'm not going to let that happen" and went back inside.</quote> So yeah. He knew it was a cop...m The defendant even had his wife put away the AK after the shooting... https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/07/constable_donald_meyer_ciara_m.html</quote> Okay, then the father should have been charged and I find nothing wrong with this. He got his own daughter killed. Why was she even in the vacinity when he knew there was a police officer and he had an AK-47 ready to go when the cop kicked in the door?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nade Duck 07/31/18 3:00:43 PM #25:	Full Throttle posted... pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele cop's fine, fuck anyone that defends this lunatic. --- https://imgur.com/ElACjJD "Most of the time, I have a whole lot more sperm inside me than most women do." - adjl <cite>Nade Duck posted [p:906035555] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>pointed a loaded AR-15 riftle at Constable Clark Steele</quote> cop's fine, fuck anyone that defends this lunatic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/31/18 3:36:05 PM #26:	Kyuubi4269 posted... adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her. I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this. He is suspicious of government, why would he trust the police with his daughter? You can certainly say he didn't do the ideal thing, but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, particularly when he was guarding against the exact individual who fired the killing bullet in to his daughter. adjl posted... He started a firefight while she was right behind him. Well.. to be fair, he probably didn't believe that would turn into a firefight and the story mentions he had the gun out before she ran behind him (based on the property manager's testimony). He might have had a suicide wish pulling a gun on a cop, but there's no telling if he would have done something so damn stupid had his daughter been behind him the whole time. slacker03150 posted... Could the cop not have just retreated and arrested the guy when he left for groceries or work? In hindsight, that would been the smarter play. However, when somebody pulls a gun, you have a split-second to make a decision. Kyuubi4269 posted... He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself. ...it resulted from his decision to pull the gun on a cop, therefore he's responsible. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906037563] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>He did try to protect his daughter. By barricading the door, pointing a gun at the intruder and keeping his body between the intruder and her.</quote> I have neither enough faces nor enough palms to adequately respond to this.</quote> He is suspicious of government, why would he trust the police with his daughter? You can certainly say he didn't do the ideal thing, but you can't argue he wasn't trying to protect his daughter, particularly when he was guarding against the exact individual who fired the killing bullet in to his daughter.</quote> <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>He started a firefight while she was right behind him.</quote> Well.. to be fair, he probably didn't believe that would turn into a firefight and the story mentions he had the gun out before she ran behind him (based on the property manager's testimony). He might have had a suicide wish pulling a gun on a cop, but there's no telling if he would have done something so damn stupid had his daughter been behind him the whole time. <cite>slacker03150 posted...</cite> <quote>Could the cop not have just retreated and arrested the guy when he left for groceries or work?</quote> In hindsight, that would been the smarter play. However, when somebody pulls a gun, you have a split-second to make a decision. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>He should have legal repurcussions for threatening an officer with a firearm, I'm not questioning that at all, but his daughter's death is because of the officer's action and was an unfortunate consequence in itself.</quote> ...it resulted from his decision to pull the gun on a cop, therefore he's responsible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 07/31/18 3:37:31 PM #27:	"It wasn't my fault, he forced me to shoot his daughter!" Like, yeah, the father put his daughter in a dangerous situation, but that doesn't mean the cop gets to just be careless like that! They're both at fault. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:906037635] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>"It wasn't my fault, he forced me to shoot his daughter!" Like, yeah, the father put his daughter in a dangerous situation, but that doesn't mean the cop gets to just be careless like that! They're both at fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/31/18 9:30:18 PM #28:	InfernalFive posted... No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot. they both share blame. if you think only person has any blame at all, then your wrong <cite>Zikten posted [p:906056389] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfernalFive posted...</cite> <quote>No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot.</quote> they both share blame. if you think only person has any blame at all, then your wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 07/31/18 10:09:05 PM #29:	InfestedAdam posted... Not to suggest anything but in situations where said officers know they are in harms way but have no clear line-of-fire or there's risk of hurting someone else (i.e. target in a crowd or bystanders behind) what is the "correct" choice to make? Take one for the team? Do their best to not let it escalate that far? Take the shot? I don't want the officer(s) getting hurt but good grief it doesn't look like a pretty situation for them either. When the officer saw him, he had a gun pointed at him, immediately firing is an absolutely appropriate response. Is it the only option? No, but it's certainly appropriate. --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:906058338] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfestedAdam posted...</cite> <quote>Not to suggest anything but in situations where said officers know they are in harms way but have no clear line-of-fire or there's risk of hurting someone else (i.e. target in a crowd or bystanders behind) what is the "correct" choice to make? Take one for the team? Do their best to not let it escalate that far? Take the shot? I don't want the officer(s) getting hurt but good grief it doesn't look like a pretty situation for them either.</quote> When the officer saw him, he had a gun pointed at him, immediately firing is an absolutely appropriate response. Is it the only option? No, but it's certainly appropriate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/01/18 2:00:52 AM #30:	Golden Road posted... "It wasn't my fault, he forced me to shoot his daughter!" Like, yeah, the father put his daughter in a dangerous situation, but that doesn't mean the cop gets to just be careless like that! They're both at fault. Uh, the guy pulled a semi-auto weapon on the cop. While maybe you could argue he should aimed for the man's chest (assuming he wasn't doing that already), you don't really have the luxury of those choices in split-second moments. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906067434] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>"It wasn't my fault, he forced me to shoot his daughter!" Like, yeah, the father put his daughter in a dangerous situation, but that doesn't mean the cop gets to just be careless like that! They're both at fault.</quote> Uh, the guy pulled a semi-auto weapon on the cop. While maybe you could argue he should aimed for the man's chest (assuming he wasn't doing that already), you don't really have the luxury of those choices in split-second moments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/01/18 2:14:09 AM #31:	Zeus posted... In hindsight, that would been the smarter play. However, when somebody pulls a gun, you have a split-second to make a decision. If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. Zeus posted... ...it resulted from his decision to pull the gun on a cop, therefore he's responsible. Literally the definition of victim blaming. Yes he made a bad move and he is absolutely responsible for all action taken against him, but his daughter being harmed was an unfortunate accident that couldn't have been reasonably anticipated. XlaxJynx007 posted... When the officer saw him, he had a gun pointed at him, immediately firing is an absolutely appropriate response. Is it the only option? No, but it's certainly appropriate. Zeus posted... Uh, the guy pulled a semi-auto weapon on the cop. While maybe you could argue he should aimed for the man's chest (assuming he wasn't doing that already), you don't really have the luxury of those choices in split-second moments. This is why your cops are so trigger happy, you encourage shooting to kill on reflex. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906067792] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>In hindsight, that would been the smarter play. However, when somebody pulls a gun, you have a split-second to make a decision. </quote> If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...it resulted from his decision to pull the gun on a cop, therefore he's responsible.</quote> Literally the definition of victim blaming. Yes he made a bad move and he is absolutely responsible for all action taken against him, but his daughter being harmed was an unfortunate accident that couldn't have been reasonably anticipated. <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>When the officer saw him, he had a gun pointed at him, immediately firing is an absolutely appropriate response. Is it the only option? No, but it's certainly appropriate.</quote> <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Uh, the guy pulled a semi-auto weapon on the cop. While maybe you could argue he should aimed for the man's chest (assuming he wasn't doing that already), you don't really have the luxury of those choices in split-second moments.</quote> This is why your cops are so trigger happy, you encourage shooting to kill on reflex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keebs05 08/01/18 2:57:03 AM #32:	Shared responsibility. The father should know damn well that pointing a weapon at a police officer will bring about a certain response. Especially if it's someone who is so paranoid of the government. Threatening to kill a police officer while children are in the vicinity is irresponsible. As for the officer, knowing what your target is and what is beyond it is one of the first rules that you learn when handling a firearm. The officer knew that the child was there and still fired. --- "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away" R.I.P PFC Dusty Seidel <cite>Keebs05 posted [p:906068840] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>Shared responsibility. The father should know damn well that pointing a weapon at a police officer will bring about a certain response. Especially if it's someone who is so paranoid of the government. Threatening to kill a police officer while children are in the vicinity is irresponsible. As for the officer, knowing what your target is and what is beyond it is one of the first rules that you learn when handling a firearm. The officer knew that the child was there and still fired.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krow_Incarnate 08/01/18 5:33:46 PM #33:	InfernalFive posted... No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot. Yep. --- Hail Hydra <cite>Krow_Incarnate posted [p:906103279] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfernalFive posted...</cite> <quote>No and anyone that says yes is a fucking idiot.</quote> Yep.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/01/18 6:31:55 PM #34:	Kyuubi4269 posted... If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. They should be trained like the military. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906106408] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs.</quote> They should be trained like the military.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/01/18 6:35:44 PM #35:	Kyuubi4269 posted... If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. This isnt call of duty. You dont have a health bar. And you cant just press over R bumper to roll to cover. There also isnt always cover nearby <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:906106596] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs.</quote> This isnt call of duty. You dont have a health bar. And you cant just press over R bumper to roll to cover. There also isnt always cover nearby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/03/18 1:48:58 PM #36:	Kyuubi4269 posted... If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. When you're feet away from a guy with a much more powerful weapon, finding cover is the stupidest move possible. And when somebody draws a gun on a cop, shooting isn't an unreasonable response. Kyuubi4269 posted... Literally the definition of victim blaming. Yes he made a bad move and he is absolutely responsible for all action taken against him, but his daughter being harmed was an unfortunate accident that couldn't have been reasonably anticipated. No, it's literally the definition of legal culpability. Actual victim-blaming is completely different and certainly doesn't involve somebody who committed a criminal act that resulted in somebody getting killed. Kyuubi4269 posted... This is why your cops are so trigger happy, you encourage shooting to kill on reflex. That's not "reflex," that's a snap-second judgment call because you only have a second to react to somebody pulling on a gun on you if they fire. And anybody deranged enough to pull a gun on a cop can reasonably be assumed to be unhinged or dangerous. Revelation34 posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. They should be trained like the military. No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. The demands are very different from the military and, I might add, the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906206629] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs.</quote> When you're feet away from a guy with a much more powerful weapon, finding cover is the stupidest move possible. And when somebody draws a gun on a cop, shooting isn't an unreasonable response. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Literally the definition of victim blaming. Yes he made a bad move and he is absolutely responsible for all action taken against him, but his daughter being harmed was an unfortunate accident that couldn't have been reasonably anticipated.</quote> No, it's literally the definition of legal culpability. Actual victim-blaming is completely different and certainly doesn't involve somebody who committed a criminal act that resulted in somebody getting killed. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>This is why your cops are so trigger happy, you encourage shooting to kill on reflex.</quote> That's not "reflex," that's a snap-second judgment call because you only have a second to react to somebody pulling on a gun on you if they fire. And anybody deranged enough to pull a gun on a cop can reasonably be assumed to be unhinged or dangerous. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs.</quote> They should be trained like the military.</quote> No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. The demands are very different from the military and, I might add, the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/03/18 2:27:37 PM #37:	Zeus posted... No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. The demands are very different from the military and, I might add, the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh? Better than being trained to shoot first and ask questions later. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906208687] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. The demands are very different from the military and, I might add, the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh?</quote> Better than being trained to shoot first and ask questions later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gguirao 08/03/18 2:31:04 PM #38:	As tragic as this is, the father should have expected something bad to happen when pulled out his gun. He should have tried to keep his daughter out of harm's way. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:906208872] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote>As tragic as this is, the father should have expected something bad to happen when pulled out his gun. He should have tried to keep his daughter out of harm's way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/03/18 2:47:31 PM #39:	OhhhJa posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs. This isnt call of duty. You dont have a health bar. And you cant just press over R bumper to roll to cover. There also isnt always cover nearby lol "This isn't Call of Duty, obviously twitch shooting is the natural reaction in the real world!" Get a fucking grip, the military have to deal with this shit in the middle of the fucking desert and their response still isn't to go on the offensive against an unknown threat. Zeus posted... When you're feet away from a guy with a much more powerful weapon, finding cover is the stupidest move possible. And when somebody draws a gun on a cop, shooting isn't an unreasonable response. Why is self-preservation stupid? You seem to be suggesting that staying in the way of the threat to fire back and get both of you killed is less stupid? Zeus posted... No, it's literally the definition of legal culpability. Actual victim-blaming is completely different and certainly doesn't involve somebody who committed a criminal act that resulted in somebody getting killed. Even soldiers are responsible for innocent casualties in when they shoot, even in a war zone. Legally, the police are responsible for every shot they fire. Except for in the tyrannical police state this occurred, apparently. Zeus posted... That's not "reflex," that's a snap-second judgment call because you only have a second to react to somebody pulling on a gun on you if they fire. Otherwise known as a fucking reflex. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906209817] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If the police's response to danger is to kill it, they need to be retrained. Even in the military it's standard to find cover first when an unexpected attack occurs.</quote> This isnt call of duty. You dont have a health bar. And you cant just press over R bumper to roll to cover. There also isnt always cover nearby</quote> lol "This isn't Call of Duty, obviously twitch shooting is the natural reaction in the real world!" Get a fucking grip, the military have to deal with this shit in the middle of the fucking desert and their response still isn't to go on the offensive against an unknown threat. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>When you're feet away from a guy with a much more powerful weapon, finding cover is the stupidest move possible. And when somebody draws a gun on a cop, shooting isn't an unreasonable response. </quote> Why is self-preservation stupid? You seem to be suggesting that staying in the way of the threat to fire back and get both of you killed is less stupid? <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's literally the definition of legal culpability. Actual victim-blaming is completely different and certainly doesn't involve somebody who committed a criminal act that resulted in somebody getting killed.</quote> Even soldiers are responsible for innocent casualties in when they shoot, even in a war zone. Legally, the police are responsible for every shot they fire. Except for in the tyrannical police state this occurred, apparently. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>That's not "reflex," that's a snap-second judgment call because you only have a second to react to somebody pulling on a gun on you if they fire. </quote> Otherwise known as a fucking reflex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/03/18 2:47:40 PM #40:	Zeus posted... And anybody deranged enough to pull a gun on a cop can reasonably be assumed to be unhinged or dangerous. Probably why you shouldn't barge in to their house, throw yourself on their gun and start firing shot blind? But maybe I'm crazy for putting self-preservation above enforcing an eviction. Zeus posted... No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. The military is called in to handle peace-keeping in states of emergency, they're actually more than dogs on leashes in the developed world. Soldiers are trained and reasonably respectable, your police are insane. Zeus posted... the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh? Would ya look at that, first world in the article "American", more proof your country is no better than Somalia 2 with cash. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:906209825] in Father is ... [t:76856997]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And anybody deranged enough to pull a gun on a cop can reasonably be assumed to be unhinged or dangerous. </quote> Probably why you shouldn't barge in to their house, throw yourself on their gun and start firing shot blind? But maybe I'm crazy for putting self-preservation above enforcing an eviction. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No, they shouldn't. They're a civilian peace-keeping force. </quote> The military is called in to handle peace-keeping in states of emergency, they're actually more than dogs on leashes in the developed world. Soldiers are trained and reasonably respectable, your police are insane. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>the military has a very long history of using what the public deems unacceptable violence because, again, you have split-second decisions that need to be made and precedents for ignored threats turning violent. This includes the infamous case where women and children were shot at a checkpoint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/01/iraq.rorymccarthy So yeah, military training, huh?</quote> Would ya look at that, first world in the article "American", more proof your country is no better than Somalia 2 with cash.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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