Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]

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th3l3fty posted...

I'm not "targeting" anyone. I will gladly argue the merits of including or excluding any character whose eligibility is not immediately obvious.

You have yet to make any argument how Hirotaro Inaba is not a Final Fantasy character despite being a fictional character made up entirely in Final Fantasy media.

Being on Earth does not exclude anybody from being a Final Fantasy character. Lightning ends up on Earth at the end of Lighting Returns XIII, did she just take herself out of Final Fantasy?
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Lightning ends up on Earth at the end of Lighting Returns XIII

wait for real? jesus, no wonder MWC rips on it so much.
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Final Fantasy XIV Dad of Light (XIV , Fainaru Fantaj Ftn Hikari no Otsan?), written Daddy of Light on the Japanese logo, is a Japanese TV show. It features a mix of live-action scenes and Final Fantasy XIV gameplay footage. It premiered in Japan on April 16, 2017 and became available worldwide via Netflix in September.[1] The story is inspired by a Final Fantasy XIV player "Ichigeki Kakusatsu SS Nikki" who wrote a series of blog posts titled Hikari no Otsan.

Lightning originated in Final Fantasy XIII, and no later plot revelation has since changed that.
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https://venturebeat.com/2017/03/02/final-fantasy-xvs-four-friends-were-inspired-by-some-interesting-fake-and-real-people/

Goodbye FFXV cast, sorry lefty's new rules.
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(plus again, that argument bans Ariana)
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CelesMyUserName posted...

(plus again, that argument bans Ariana)

sounds good to me
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I don't really see the argument against him. Final Fantasy XIV: Dad of Light is a piece of Final Fantasy media and the dad is a fictional character in that piece of media.
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as an Ariana supporter, if lefty bans Ariana to become consistent I will stand down on Daddy
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Argument that Dangerous Woman album art bans Dangerous Ariana is like arguing that Odin should be banned due to influence from Norse mythology
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Speaking honestly on it, to me the questions are:

1. Is Hirotaro Inaba the name of the man on the show or his player character in XIV featured on the show
2. If it's the man on the show, how heavily are the events on the show based on the blog posts
3. If it's the character on the show can we nominate other FFXIV PCs
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This board is full of real people.

Ban SMFFFCXX
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mnkboy907 posted...

I don't really see the argument against him. Final Fantasy XIV: Dad of Light is a piece of Final Fantasy media and the dad is a fictional character in that piece of media.

See, this is what I'm trying to figure out here. I'm arguing from a point of ignorance on the specific subject, so I just want someone to be clear with me instead of getting defensive due to a perceived slight.

My initial impression of this story was that the character is just an actor playing a human being in what essentially amounts to a documentary. If that's not the case, tell me that from the start. I am not an omniscient being who can figure things out at a glance!

And please, don't accuse me of being inconsistent here - Dangerous Ariana is already in, so she's staying in. I don't get to decide to remove characters on a whim just because I don't like them.
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Lopen posted...

Speaking honestly on it, to me the questions are:

1. Is Hirotaro Inaba the name of the man on the show or his player character in XIV featured on the show
2. If it's the man on the show, how heavily are the events on the show based on the blog posts
3. If it's the character on the show can we nominate other FFXIV PCs

Hirotaro Inaba is the man on the show, they take major creative license and literally give him *a major secret* which the plot of the TV show revolves around.

The blog is just about a kid reconnecting with his dad by playing XIV with him, in the show he does it with the expressed interest in trying to find out a secret his dad is hiding about why he quit his job suddenly - and consequentially also gives the dad a major secret that isn't in real life. The son doesn't even reveal to his dad who he is until the end, as that's part of his plan to better understand his dad and find out his secret.
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All of this is well and good, but should I get behind Wakka or Basch is the real question here.
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I haven't watched it, but from what GMUN's been saying, it sounds like it's not a documentary because the dad character isn't a portrayal of a real person. I don't know anything about the blog posts its inspired by, but I don't think being inspired by something really matters as long as the characters are still entirely fictional and not literal interpretations of real people.
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Last year we allowed a literal real person just because they were in FFXV as a bonus boss or something so I don't see why this is the sticking point.
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v_charon posted...

All of this is well and good, but should I get behind Wakka or Basch is the real question here.

Wakka to spread the love a bit as Reks + Basch making hostile takeovers will taint the FFXII brand
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The blog is a heartwarming slice of life about a boy and his dad enjoying the game.

FFXIV: Dad of Light creates an actual dramatic narrative to play out in an 8-episode series
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Rafa

Alright that concludes the trading portion of my nominations. I will now use my final two to free nominate Chic Ariana and Sporty Ariana.

Ha ha just kidding. Actual nominations: Wakka, and Basch fon Ronsenberg.

To reiterate:

0. Reks
1. Cyan Garamonde
2. Cindy Aurum
3. Rafa
4. Wakka
5. Basch fon Ronsenberg
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Is the blog a fictional story too or about real people?
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Checking...

the blog is a fictional story that takes place in-game

there's like nothing about the real life people behind the characters at all, where-as the show is 90% about the people
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Okay so the TV show is a piece of fiction inspired by a piece of fiction then.
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To me at that point you need to create a strong difference from Hirotama Inaba and the real world character he's based on.

For example if a real world celebrity is featured in a cartoon as a one off joke, that doesn't make them a character in the cartoon. For instance Leonard Nimoy is in The Simpsons as Leonard Nimoy a few times. I wouldnt call him a Simpsons character. I would however call McBain a Simpsons character despite heavily being influenced by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now if you had the Leonard Nimoy character named something that wasn't Leonard Nimoy on the show, that's kinda the gray area this guy falls into.
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just let this contest die

also

Gilgamesh
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CelesMyUserName posted...

the blog is a fictional story that takes place in-game

At least that was my logic until this

Are you saying it wasn't an actual blog but a blog in the game? Or that it's a real blog based on in game events that the author embellished with
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Hoo boy let the smific season commence!
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Lopen posted...

To me at that point you need to create a strong difference from Hirotama Inaba and the real world character he's based on.

This seems be the easiest point to make tbqh -- the real life character he's based on is basic nonexistent in the blog. There blog is incapable of capturing his point of view at all since it's just the son making everything up from his character's reference point.

And yeah, everything in the real-life portion of the TV Series seems to be 100% made up in the TV series, the blog is just a bunch of goofy in-game bits by the son.
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Lopen posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

the blog is a fictional story that takes place in-game

At least that was my logic until this

Are you saying it wasn't an actual blog but a blog in the game? Or that it's a real blog based on in game events that the author embellished with

I think he means the blog is like fan-fiction. The blog is a real blog, but it's a story about made-up characters inside the world of FFXIV played by made-up real world characters.

But correct me if I'm wrong.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

This seems be the easiest point to make tbqh -- the real life character he's based on is basic nonexistent in the blog. The blog is incapable of capturing his point of view at all since it's just the son making everything up from his character's reference point.

That's not proof they're substantially different, though. Like if the dad on the show could literally cast magic or had a concretely defined character trait that's proven as different from the real world source, that would be proof.

It's a gray area but the grayest area we've ever had in the thing. I think there are distinctions to make to dq him but ultimately the distinctions will feel arbitrary because the contest has been pretty loose until now.

Wouldn't be the first time though. Dark Nation being dqed is pretty similar to an argument you'd make to dq this guy.
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Gmun I took your trade.
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why does anyone even want Dark Nation in anyway
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Why does anyone want Interceptor or Zidane Tribal in I don't know
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mnkboy907 posted...

I think he means the blog is like fan-fiction. The blog is a real blog, but it's a story about made-up characters inside the world of FFXIV played by made-up real world characters.

But correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeahhhh it's hard to really describe that that's basically the gist

it's a cartoonishly staged blog that seems to be less based on real life than I even realized

Either way, the "dad" in the TV series... doesn't at all exist in the blog, and is most certainly a uniquely crafted entity in the TV Show

Lopen posted...

That's not proof they're substantially different, though. Like if the dad on the show could literally cast magic or had a concretely defined character trait that's proven as different from the real world source.

I mean the entire story that the dad goes through in the TV Show is completely made up in the TV Show. The part about the dad quitting his job suddenly and having a secret is a completely made up character that isn't even represented by any means in the blog or real life. There is no Real Hirotaro.

90% of the TV show takes place in real life, telling a story that is completely originally crafted and not at all existent in the blog or real life.

Underleveled posted...

Gmun I took your trade.

oh right

Cyan
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CelesMyUserName posted...

The part about the dad quitting his job suddenly and having a secret is a completely made up character that isn't even represented by any means in the blog or real life. There is no Real Hirotaro.

Different events occurring to the character doesn't mean it's a different character. It means it's fanfiction featuring the character. Like Super Mario in Smash Bros is Super Mario regardless of whether the events of Smash Bros are considered canon or he's technically a toy or whatever else.
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I have no clue who you're referring to as the "character" that Hirotaro is not "different" from.

There is no Hirotaro Inaba. He is a made-up person that only exists in Final Fantasy XIV: Dad of Light.
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I think he may have gotten hung up on your usage of the term "real life", thinking you meant literal real life, when you just meant that it's a live action character living in a fictional version of the real world. Maybe?
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The focal real life person of the real life blog the show is inspired from. The name being different is a fairly minor part of the equation
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There is no real life person.
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I'll go back to the Leonard Nimoy example

If he was named Marcus Norman on The Simpsons yet acted exactly like Leonard Nimoy, it's Leonard Nimoy even if there is no such real person as Marcus Norman
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mnkboy907 posted...

There is no real life person.

There isn't? What is the blog about then. How is it even loosely based on the blog?

Like I would have a lot easier time digesting this if GMUN was just up front with all the facts and not going on the defensive the whole time.
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But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity.

Like, the blog already cartoonified his character, and then the TV Show created an entirely different person to represent the real life entity of the cartoonish blog personality.

I don't get it. Dad of Light tells a unique story created only as part of the dramatic TV series' fictional story. The real-life portion of the show, which is the entire core of the TV series, is made-up by the show.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity.

Like, the blog already cartoonified his character, and then the TV Show created an entirely different person to represent the real life entity of the cartoonish blog personality.

I don't get it. Dad of Light tells a unique story created only as part of the dramatic TV series' fictional story. The real-life portion of the show, which is the entire core of the TV series, is made-up by the show.

Wait, so there is an original real life entity? Have I been the one misinterpreting things?
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CelesMyUserName posted...

But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity.

Okay so now you get what I'm asking despite playing dumb before

Just state things clearly why are you in salesman mode here.
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Okay I don't even care about this character I haven't watched the show why am i even doing this im done
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mnkboy907 posted...

Wait, so there is an original real life entity? Have I been the one misinterpreting things?

In the very literally sense of "original" - the creator of the blog has a dad

The blog is a fictional gag series

Lopen posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity.

Okay so now you get what I'm asking despite playing dumb before

Just state things clearly why are you in salesman mode here.

I simply have no idea what you're saying at all.
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I like that the longer this goes on for the harder GMUN is gonna have to main this guy because boy would it look silly if he got hard booted after all of this
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man all I was going to do was toss him a nom and not even bother trading since I don't have hope for him to make it
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GMUN I think you're just bad at explaining things.
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in the general case that is true but this is also proving difficult to explain the series of a show from a blog in real life on a game of said series

and then other factors
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I would probably DQ the character just because you're being so dodgy about the facts of the character vs presenting your interpretations of the character as facts that it's hard to take your view as a credible second hand source for the record. Not sure what percentage of it is being a salesman oland what percentage is being bad at explaining but yeah it's a lot of work.

I do think based on what I think I have pieced together that it's an add that's on the fence but probably okay without an arbitrary distinction made for the character, but who knows how much of it is "there's no real world person the character is based on because I think they're substantially different and I'm not showing my work" vs "there actually is no real world person it's based on whatsoever"

A great host would do the direct research themselves but that's more than necessarily should be expected by a host.
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