Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]

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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 3:31:16 PM
#51:


th3l3fty posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
Hakutaro "Indy Jones" Inaba

I didn't really pay attention to eligibility arguments last year, so enlighten me as to what exactly makes this guy eligible

a character of Final Fantasy media

the same way Aki Ross is a Final Fantasy character of the film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, Indy Jones is a character within the TV series Final Fantasy XIV: Daddy of Light

to further the case, fits in the FFD Rules of FFWiki Legitimacy: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV_Dad_of_Light

... although apparently the name there is listed Hirotaro as opposed to my quick google-fu (the first name doesn't come up as much as Indy Jones or just Otousan obv)

lefty of all people shouldn't have any issue with this
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 3:33:44 PM
#52:


th3l3fty posted...
A list of entries in the Final Fantasy universe from which you may nominate (Items under "Related Series" are not eligible):
https://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_series

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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 3:40:30 PM
#53:


th3l3fty posted...
th3l3fty posted...
A list of entries in the Final Fantasy universe from which you may nominate (Items under "Related Series" are not eligible):
https://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_series


check your own link
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 3:41:38 PM
#54:


what am I looking at
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 3:42:53 PM
#55:


"Related Items": Final Fantasy XIV not found, Final Fantasy XIV not un-eligible

"Main Series": Final Fantasy XIV found
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 3:47:52 PM
#56:


you're correct; characters from the game Final Fantasy XIV are eligible

but what does that have to do with a character from a different piece of media entirely?
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Robazoid
07/29/18 3:49:37 PM
#57:


I doubt I'll be as much of a presence in this as I was the last two years. I don't know what schedule the new host will adhere to but I'm not going to sacrifice sleep like I did to try and catch early rounds in the past. The wifi network I use at work also went down recently, leaving me leeching off a free one from the next building over that's way less reliable. Given the short length of some rounds I imagine I'll wind up missing some entirely.

Still, I'll save if I catch the rounds so let's see if I can remember past obligations. First priority will be Garnet as promised, followed by Cyan if he gets in. I remember wanting to get a World of Final Fantasy character in but I doubt there's any more drive for that this year than there was last year, so oh well. In fact, getting any niche favorites in seems dumb if they'll probably just get booted when they miss a round. I guess I'll just nominate characters I agree with that other people seem interested in, so let's see.

NOMINATIONS
Cyan Garamonde
Chocolina
Sazh Katzroy
Paine
Lenne
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mnkboy907
07/29/18 3:53:44 PM
#58:


Oh yeah. Well I did play WoFF, but I don't really care to push any of them. Also I got sidetracked and never finished it, though I was near the end. I was about to climb up the crystal staircase or whatever after learning the truth about Reyn and Lann or something?
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 3:54:40 PM
#59:


tell that to Noctis getting in from Brotherhood: FFXV the anime, or are you banning any Advent Children characters too?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV_Dad_of_Light

again, note the bottom tag. Dad of Light is part of XIV, "different media" is a completely made-up criteria you're pulling out of your ass for stubbornness

why are you destroying your hosting credibility already over one of the most blatantly eligible choices
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LeonhartFour
07/29/18 3:58:42 PM
#60:


CelesMyUserName posted...
tell that to Noctis getting in from Brotherhood: FFXV the anime, or are you banning any Advent Children characters too?


both of those are listed on the template he provided so no

CelesMyUserName posted...
why are you destroying your hosting credibility already over one of the most blatantly eligible choices


there are many more blatantly eligible choices

CelesMyUserName posted...
again, note the bottom tag. Dad of Light is part of XIV


it's not even listed under that tag once you expand it

but thanks for reminding me why I don't want to do this anymore

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GildedFool
07/29/18 4:02:32 PM
#61:


Nobuo Uematsu
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 4:09:02 PM
#62:


I haven't even made a final decision yet.

I just want to know what makes this character, who is an acted representation of a human being, eligible. If it's the game character, what makes it eligible and not the thousands of other PCs?

I don't see any real correlation between Noctis or Kadaj - completely original game characters - and this guy, but if people think he should be allowed, I'm perfectly willing to consider it.
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 4:13:29 PM
#63:


LeonhartFour posted...
both of those are listed on the template he provided so no

XIV is extended enough for FFWiki to deem necessary provide banners for a subcategory the way VII and XV are - VII having 11 items and XV having 7.

The distinction is meaningless and targeted. XIV doesn't have its own extended banner.

LeonhartFour posted...
it's not even listed under that tag once you expand it

More meaningless distinctions. It's categorized under XIV, not being deemed big enough for spotlighting under the banner items doesn't remove it from being Final Fantasy XIV.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Final_Fantasy_XIV

You're jumping around hoops and making up criteria that isn't in the rules. There is absolutely nothing disallowing Final Fantasy XIV: Dad of Light from counting under Final Fantasy XIV, despite explicitly being under the XIV category and even named as such by Square.
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LeonhartFour
07/29/18 4:14:55 PM
#64:


I'm just saying why it's not as "blatantly obvious" as you think it is

I don't care if lefty allows it or not
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 4:20:04 PM
#65:


I'm talking relative obviousness, obviously. Being of straight-up by the title Final Fantasy media makes gives it a stronger case than Bravely, or even SaGa which got in literally because it was localized as Final Fantasy. The name has already been judged to be enough, even just on a superficial level - which Dad of Light is not because it at least IS directly related to Final Fantasy XIV.
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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:21:08 PM
#66:


Rafa
Malak

my other 4 nominations are up for trade
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captaincanadian
07/29/18 4:22:51 PM
#67:


Sazh
Snow
Basch
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:23:21 PM
#68:


Mustadio
Leon (II)
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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:23:50 PM
#69:


Underleveled posted...
Cyan Garamonde

And trading my other five nominations for him.


I will doit for Rafa
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mnkboy907
07/29/18 4:24:11 PM
#70:


So in other news I see that Sora and Riku are characters in Record Keeper.
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Underleveled
07/29/18 4:24:17 PM
#71:


Rafa
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Tokoyami
07/29/18 4:24:46 PM
#72:


mnkboy907 posted...
So in other news I see that Sora and Riku are characters in Record Keeper.

Oh word?
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:25:32 PM
#73:


th3l3fty posted...
If it's the game character, what makes it eligible and not the thousands of other PCs?


I like this as justification

Then we can nominate Archpriestess Akia (XIV) who would probably get more votes than daddy of light
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LeonhartFour
07/29/18 4:25:42 PM
#74:


Sora was also in World of Final Fantasy and we had this argument last year

they're crossover characters
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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:27:42 PM
#75:


Cyan Garamonde
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GenesisSaga
07/29/18 4:32:58 PM
#76:


Who the hell is Rafa?
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Inviso
07/29/18 4:33:48 PM
#77:


GenesisSaga posted...
Who the hell is Rafa?


He's the man.
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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:33:56 PM
#78:


GenesisSaga posted...
Who the hell is Rafa?

from Final fantasy tactics
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:34:04 PM
#79:


GenesisSaga posted...
Who the hell is Rafa?


The better spelling for Rapha

But honestly of WotL translations that one bugs me about the least
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 4:37:22 PM
#80:


Underleveled posted...
Cyan Garamonde

And trading my other five nominations for him.

for Hirotaro "Indy Jones" Inaba

I wasn't gonna bother commiting to him originally but I've been convinced to now

RIP Ren Osugi who passed this year T_T
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GenesisSaga
07/29/18 4:37:38 PM
#81:


Okay got it. Thanks guys.

cyan1001 posted...
Rafa
Malak

my other 4 nominations are up for trade


Rafa/Rapha for Reks?
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 4:40:17 PM
#82:


GMUN, please tell me - who specifically is the character being nominated when you use that name?

Is it the dad or the dad's XIV character?
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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:43:56 PM
#83:


GenesisSaga posted...
Okay got it. Thanks guys.

cyan1001 posted...
Rafa
Malak

my other 4 nominations are up for trade


Rafa/Rapha for Reks?

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cyan1001
07/29/18 4:44:23 PM
#84:


Reks
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 4:45:15 PM
#85:


... That question doesn't make any sense, it's 1 person. Like nobody would consider Persona 3's Isako Toriumi to be a different character from Maya within the MMO social link.

Hirotaro Inaba is his name, Indy Jones is his handle.
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pjbasis
07/29/18 4:47:52 PM
#86:


Why the heck isn't Ariana a crossover character.
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:49:42 PM
#87:


CelesMyUserName posted...
Persona 3's Isako Toriumi to be a different character from Maya within the MMO social link.


Well Isako Toriumi probably wouldn't be eligible for a Persona 3 MMO character contest because he's not a character in the MMO.
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Tokoyami
07/29/18 4:49:47 PM
#88:


Because she's Dangerous
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 4:49:56 PM
#89:


Alright.

th3l3fty posted...
--Nominations must be unique characters with a name that originated in the Final Fantasy universe.

If the character is Hirotaro Inaba, doesn't that mean he's a human being who "originated" somewhere other than the Final Fantasy universe?
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Underleveled
07/29/18 4:50:12 PM
#90:


Indy Jones
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Underleveled
07/29/18 4:50:55 PM
#91:


I think I have one trade left now
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CelesMyUserName
07/29/18 4:52:15 PM
#92:


th3l3fty posted...
If the character is Hirotaro Inaba, doesn't that mean he's a human being who "originated" somewhere other than the Final Fantasy universe?

No? Hirotaro Inaba doesn't exist in real life, again this is really stupid and blatantly forced excuse to target this character out.

Hirotaro Inaba is a character of Final Fantasy XIV: Dad of Light. Hirotaro Inaba is a Final Fantasy character.
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DoomTheGyarados
07/29/18 4:52:29 PM
#93:


Yeah I wouldn't allow it. Too much of a side show.

Lopen what should I nominate?
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:52:34 PM
#94:


pjbasis posted...
Why the heck isn't Ariana a crossover character.


Dangerous Ariana is a fictional character loosely based on some elements from Ariana Grande that originated in FF Brave Exvius
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pjbasis
07/29/18 4:53:47 PM
#95:


It originated from her album cover art. Its a concept that originates in another medium crossing over with final fantasy
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:54:03 PM
#96:


Nominate Archpriestess Akia (XIV) if this Daddy of Light nonsense goes through otherwise nominate Mustadio imo
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Tokoyami
07/29/18 4:54:04 PM
#97:


The nomination of the Dad of Light character is what's stupid imo but whatever floats your boat I guess
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th3l3fty
07/29/18 4:54:21 PM
#98:


I'm not "targeting" anyone. I will gladly argue the merits of including or excluding any character whose eligibility is not immediately obvious.
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Lopen
07/29/18 4:55:18 PM
#99:


pjbasis posted...
It originated from her album cover art.


Well the mask did. We don't know anything about the origins of the character on her cover art though.
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DoomTheGyarados
07/29/18 4:56:58 PM
#100:


Gmun clearly wants his characters to get Luca blight'd with this nonsense.

mustadio
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