Poll of the Day > GW2: Another example of "Get Woke, Go Broke" RIP Jessica Price

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Joker_X_II
07/07/18 4:32:22 PM
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Day old news, but I'm LMFAO here about it still.....

In short, the writer for Guild Wars 2, Jessica Price goes on twitter to explain her writing processes, then a player of the game responded back with "maturity, politeness, and respect" gave criticisms that were often counter-intuitive to Price's method. Price flips her shit, and calls out the person as a lesser being since she has 10 years experience writing for games, and no one else knows nothing; then more players chimed in on the discussion, until Price returns scathing back at them, and worse....DROPPING THE GENDER CARD THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO THE WITH CONVERSATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!......After a few more exchanges, another writer for the game stepped up to defend her with the usual tripe you hear from so-called male-feminist cucks.....

After a few more heated exchanges from more players, followed by reddit blowing all over the place, ArenaNet comes in a day later, gives a bit of PR rhetoric about respect and love for their customers followed by the two writers...GETTING FIRED!!!!!....

BwahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaaa......!

The details best explained here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5sDwspGgUQ" data-time="


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This is what should start happening to those who fuck around with identity politics in businesses or the workplace, "Get Woke, Go Broke"....especially in the videogame industry.

Even in all angles of 'geek culture' we see the downward spiral of the Star Wars movies, comic book stores shutting down because they refuse to sell titles from (lol) "misogynistic authors" to "misogynistic customers".....

...and now we get game developers getting the shaft for a subject that was never the issue in the place.

Hilarious.

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Sensual_T_Rex
07/07/18 4:42:33 PM
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Geez your response is almost masturbatory in nature. I mean yeah she deserves to get fired and I agree screw identity politics but damn cut back the malicious glee. This is why prostitution should be legal poeple.
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FourthDimension
07/07/18 4:45:28 PM
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She deserved to get fired

You are obonxious
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Lokarin
07/07/18 4:53:16 PM
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She seemed like she was handling it pretty well... .... until the "maturity, politeness, and respect" happened
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Raze_Razel
07/07/18 5:07:32 PM
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...
Geez your response is almost masturbatory in nature. I mean yeah she deserves to get fired and I agree screw identity politics but damn cut back the malicious glee. This is why prostitution should be legal poeple.


Be fair, there is a lot of people on the internet who's fed up with SJW crap infecting their content, it's getting very bad to the point, apparently, is people literally getting broke or losing their jobs. I wouldn't call it masturbatory, call it cathartic.
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Digimon
07/07/18 5:11:27 PM
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that youtuber is a piece of shit
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xcrimx
07/07/18 5:24:10 PM
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LOL she's getting roasted on twitter. Kinda wanna take a cheap shot and ask if she's gonna be attending EVO this year LOL Why is the youtuber a bad person??
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Andromicus
07/07/18 5:32:44 PM
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Jesus Christ I hate this culture war shit
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yutterh
07/07/18 6:08:09 PM
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Wish this happened with Kennedy and rian Johnson. But instead they just fanned the flames and added fuel to the fire until solo exploded. Now they are trying to get back around yo it, but still we haven't even gotten one legitamet apology from anyone. He'll just an apology would have sufficed and a "sorry for subverting your expectations badly and killing off luke in a bitch move" hell just apology for the actions of Kennedy and rian on Twitter. Something would have been better then nothing except more insults.
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Pro_Boner
07/07/18 6:13:03 PM
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That's one way to use your gift of writing, eh?

To lose your job, m i write?

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Revelation34
07/07/18 6:24:43 PM
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Nobody cares. I find it really funny the other guy guy fired since he only said one thing and it wasn't even that bad. Also one good thing she did was she didn't hold back about Totalbiscuit.
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Phantom Renegade 6X6
07/07/18 6:39:15 PM
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Raze_Razel posted...
Be fair, there is a lot of people on the internet who's fed up with SJW crap infecting their content


This.

If you post something on a public forum, expect discussion. Expect disagreements.
Resorting to "muh soggy knees, stop splayning" because someone voices their alternative interpretations or whatnot - especially when someone was as understanding and non-hostile as Deroir was - is pathetic.
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Rad_Chad
07/07/18 7:03:51 PM
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that bitch deserves to be spend the rest of her days whining under a bridge and blaming men for being homeless (because she wont fucking change, so it may as well be somewhere she deserves
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TallTamryu
07/08/18 1:55:59 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Also one good thing she did was she didn't hold back about Totalbiscuit.

That's not good, that's bad.
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Smarkil
07/08/18 2:08:03 AM
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tl;dr
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NightMareBunny
07/08/18 3:19:34 AM
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people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...yes i know there are some annoying activists who get on the case of video games being sexist or racist

but suddenly claiming that video games are being poisoned by SJW's and Politics now more than ever is stupid(just as stupid as the people who act like comic book superheroes never had politics injected into them until recently)
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Rad_Chad
07/08/18 3:46:55 AM
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NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...

if its in the right context, ya they do. fuck those assholes
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NightMareBunny
07/08/18 5:26:21 AM
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Rad_Chad posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...

if its in the right context, ya they do. fuck those assholes


no they do not...because by using that as an insult makes it sound like you are against social justice

like i said there are some annoying activists but that doesn't mean all social justice and progressive nature is terible
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TheCyborgNinja
07/08/18 8:11:01 AM
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Well, what I think needs to be done to SJWs is probably moddable. Just think of the worst thing you can and it's probably at least that bad. I'm so sick of their bullshit. Traditional liberals need to reign in the little bastards.
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Sarcasthma
07/08/18 8:36:50 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Well, what I think needs to be done to SJWs is probably moddable. Just think of the worst thing you can and it's probably at least that bad. I'm so sick of their bullshit. Traditional liberals need to reign in the little bastards.

What, you think SJWs should be executed? That seems extreme, don't you think?
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Kl0wn_Numb3rs
07/08/18 8:40:52 AM
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NightMareBunny posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...

if its in the right context, ya they do. fuck those assholes


no they do not...because by using that as an insult makes it sound like you are against social justice

like i said there are some annoying activists but that doesn't mean all social justice and progressive nature is terible

Your entire world is confined to your mother's house. You have less of a voice than anyone.
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NightMareBunny
07/08/18 12:28:12 PM
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confined as if I'm some entity that's physically spellbound to this place and cannot move an inch

you know what if you wanna screech about SJW'S and how "diversity" is ruining video games fine go crazy I guess that's what makes you happy

but do not act like you are above me in anyway I already get enough crap from the people who think I orchestrated a fake-out sob story about my dad dying
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VeeVees
07/08/18 12:33:45 PM
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Always happy to see SJW scums get fucked.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 12:55:32 PM
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The developer in question is an asshole and 110% deserved to be fired, but YouTube videos like that are also part of the problem, from the other side of the coin. Shitty people are shitty people regardless of which team they decide to play for.



NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...yes i know there are some annoying activists who get on the case of video games being sexist or racist

The term only exists in the first place because it was coined as an insult. Specifically for overzealous assholes who use social justice as a thin veneer of justification for witch hunts and shitheel behavior. Similar to how the term "white knight" (which theoretically has positive connotations) was used to brand the sort of person who painted themselves as a crusader for truth and justice when in reality they were creepy fucks whose sole motivation was to try and woo damsels in distress to offer them sex for defending their honor in online arguments. It's using sarcasm to call out an asshole for the disguise they choose to hide behind, with the implication that they are nothing like what they see themselves as.

People misuse the term (just like people online misuse pretty much every term, ever), and equally shitty people on the other side use it to brand pretty much anything they don't like, weakening its actual value (similar to how "troll" has basically come to mean "anyone who says something I don't like"), but at its heart, SJW refers to a very specific sort of shitty person who absolutely deserves to be shit on for their attitude and beliefs.

It's NOT the same as someone who simply pursues or advocates actual social justice, because no SJW actually gives a single shit about social justice. They are motivated by their own sense of self-superiority and desire to aggressively attack or vilify others, and use social justice as the shield they hide behind and the weapon they use to attack. They selectively pick and choose the aspects of social justice they can use to prove their own pet agenda or target specific victims for attention, and ignore every other facet of social justice and decent human behavior whenever it's convenient.

They're the metaphorical equivalent of asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife. They use arguments designed to make YOU look like the asshole for disagreeing with them, in spite of the fact that they're generally reprehensible people with repugnant views and a terrible, attitude. They also tend to be the people who pull out terms like "toxic" or "problematic" in spite of themselves being the problem, and creating most of the toxicity in discussions that they themselves disapprove of.

People calling out SJWs for legitimate SJW behavior absolutely have the right to do so, and deserve their voice more than any SJW who has ever lived.

And like it or not, most actual legitimate social justice advocates and people who actually DO further the cause of social justice in the real world (and not just digitally masturbate themselves on Twitter) would (and often do) find the behavior of most SJWs reprehensible and self-sabotaging. Just as many equal rights advocates and women's rights activists in the real world hate the word "feminism" because it's been damaged by the most extreme, insane, and vindictive feminists using the term in an entirely negative light, poisoning the well for everyone else.



NightMareBunny posted...
but suddenly claiming that video games are being poisoned by SJW's and Politics now more than ever is stupid

But that's entirely true, though.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 12:56:16 PM
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NightMareBunny posted...
but do not act like you are above me in any way

But most people on this board are above you, in a multitude of ways. Some in pretty much every possible way.


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Blighboy
07/08/18 1:02:34 PM
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I have a bigger penis than NMB
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dioxxys
07/08/18 1:12:33 PM
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NightMareBunny posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...

if its in the right context, ya they do. fuck those assholes


no they do not...because by using that as an insult makes it sound like you are against social justice

like i said there are some annoying activists but that doesn't mean all social justice and progressive nature is terible

@NightMareBunny

Except no one actually calls themselves a "Social Justice Warrior", its like calling yourself a hero of justice.

SJW was a term specifically created to describe the worst of these people whom specifically act like X has to do with social inequalities, such as this example.

Yes, the word has been poisoned and improperly used but such is the fate of any word.

But creating a preconceived notion of an individual on the sole basis of "they said sjw" is silly.

Yes for once its nice to see the woman who couldnt respond to criticism in a mature way get fired when she tried to resort to making it a gendered issue.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 1:25:37 PM
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dioxxys posted...
Except no one actually calls themselves a "Social Justice Warrior", its like calling yourself a hero of justice.

Some people do, actually.

The term was originally coined WAAAY back, on Livejournal, as a derogatory term for the sort of people who would spend all day skimming through other people's journals, looking for anything they considered crimethink, and reporting those journals or otherwise trying to get the users banned (and failing that, just constantly shitting on those people in comments and otherwise trying to insult and harass them into leaving on their own, because again, being a shitty, abusive human being is perfectly acceptable when YOU do it).

But some of those same people actually started using the term to refer to themselves, completely missing all of the sarcasm and irony inherent in the term, instead loving the idea that they were somehow a noble warrior for truth and justice fighting against the forces of oppression and evil (thus feeding their egos even more). So much so that you'd probably see more people using it to refer to themselves unironically there than people using it to shit on them.

Once SJW as a term migrated over to sites like Twitter and Reddit, it kind of swung back to the original meaning of being a terrible, oppressive and exploitative sort of person, but there are still SJWs out there who are still deep down the rabbit hole and delusional enough to try and wear it as a badge of pride, painting themselves as noble warriors fighting for social justice in a terrible world, and seeing every single person who disagrees with them for any reason as being a monster who deserves nothing more than venomous abuse and constant harassment.

Those are actually the sorts of SJWs most like to self-destruct like the developer in the original story - in her mind, she's firmly convinced that she's a martyr bravely standing against the forces of oppression and injustice, and literally everyone else is a bigot or fool. The one person responsible for most of her problems is also the one person she will literally never, ever blame.


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Golden Road
07/08/18 1:36:59 PM
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Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price, then is able to get her fired when she doesn't just sit back and take it. Seems totally fair -_-
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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 1:43:49 PM
#30:


Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price

So you didn't actually read a single post in the thread in question then.

The post that set her off was politer and more considerate than about 112% of posts on PotD on a daily basis.


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Golden Road
07/08/18 2:09:33 PM
#31:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price

So you didn't actually read a single post in the thread in question then.

The post that set her off was politer and more considerate than about 112% of posts on PotD on a daily basis.

Yes I did. That guy was only "polite" if you think condescension is polite. It's insulting, not polite.
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 2:19:48 PM
#32:


I was going to write my own block of text explaining to 'NightmareBunny' how SJW are more sub-human than those he thinks use the label in the first place but 'ParanoidObsessive' explained it the best.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
People calling out SJWs for legitimate SJW behavior absolutely have the right to do so, and deserve their voice more than any SJW who has ever lived.

And like it or not, most actual legitimate social justice advocates and people who actually DO further the cause of social justice in the real world (and not just digitally masturbate themselves on Twitter) would (and often do) find the behavior of most SJWs reprehensible and self-sabotaging. Just as many equal rights advocates and women's rights activists in the real world hate the word "feminism" because it's been damaged by the most extreme, insane, and vindictive feminists using the term in an entirely negative light, poisoning the well for everyone else.


...beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA9xzTI4Zyk" data-time="

*this one is for 'NightmareBunny', this is the type of SJW that should be ostracized, and their voice taken away. Price apparently has a history of being a that filthy SJW.

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Now here's an update from the same youtuber I posted earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q50oy4-UJM" data-time="


Don't know why people dislike YongYea, he brings the facts and articulates them well.

Apparently, this SJW, now-unemployed, idiot still has no clue over why she was fired,...she still uses the Vagina Card, still won't acknowledge that it was her own hubris, that fatal flaw of being self-entitled and disrespectful that ended her job, and most likely her career (since who the fuck would ever hire her, if she's such a liability?)

....at this rate, she'll be the homeless cat lady by this time next year.
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 2:24:06 PM
#33:


Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price, then is able to get her fired when she doesn't just sit back and take it. Seems totally fair -_-


Prove it, prove that Denoir was being an asshole to her

NOW!
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Krazy_Kirby
07/08/18 2:26:57 PM
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peole who use "woke" outside of something like "i woke up from a nap", are fucking idiots
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Zeus
07/08/18 2:27:48 PM
#35:


She acted unprofessionally on social and she got wired. If anything, it's a reminder that most people with jobs (specifically anything not involving aggressive self-promotion) are better off avoiding social media altogether.

On a more general level, her stupidity seems at least partly fueled by identity politics where groups are encouraged to feel aggrieved by "microaggressions," many of which they're told to feel mad about by shitty opportunists and zealots who either make a living off agitation or use it for personal self-promotion.

NightMareBunny posted...
people who use "SJW" as an insult do not deserve a voice...yes i know there are some annoying activists who get on the case of video games being sexist or racist


As opposed to guys who constantly make topics about not understanding things that most people seem to get?

And it's not merely an insult but also a useful descriptive term encompassing a wide variety of identity politic viewpoints.

Revelation34 posted...
Nobody cares. I find it really funny the other guy guy fired since he only said one thing and it wasn't even that bad. Also one good thing she did was she didn't hold back about Totalbiscuit.


Wanted to post a vid of a guy saying "Collateral damage," but couldn't immediately find one (and can't remember the movie where a character callously uses those words to answer a question about somebody else being hurt in an attack). However, his defense, while small, was extremely tone-deaf and unprofessional. He got caught up in a controversy because he deliberately inserted himself into the controversy in a provocatively stupid way.

Raze_Razel posted...
Be fair, there is a lot of people on the internet who's fed up with SJW crap infecting their content, it's getting very bad to the point, apparently, is people literally getting broke or losing their jobs.


Sure, given that SJWs frequently bully and provoke companies into firing people they disagree with, on some some level it's refreshing to see them get their own comeuppance. Especially since we're approaching a societal tipping point.
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Zeus
07/08/18 2:27:52 PM
#36:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
but do not act like you are above me in any way

But most people on this board are above you, in a multitude of ways. Some in pretty much every possible way.


tbh, the standard for it is pretty low. It's basically just employment plus functioning human relationships.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price

So you didn't actually read a single post in the thread in question then.

The post that set her off was politer and more considerate than about 112% of posts on PotD on a daily basis.


Kinda par for the course with GR.

Golden Road posted...
Yes I did. That guy was only "polite" if you think condescension is polite. It's insulting, not polite.


Have you not read any of the actual tweets and are just repeating a defense?
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dioxxys
07/08/18 2:28:44 PM
#37:


Golden Road posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price

So you didn't actually read a single post in the thread in question then.

The post that set her off was politer and more considerate than about 112% of posts on PotD on a daily basis.

Yes I did. That guy was only "polite" if you think condescension is polite. It's insulting, not polite.

Do you honestly think that?

I dont see how he could have been any more polite

Unless you didnt read it
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 2:33:48 PM
#38:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
peole who use "woke" outside of something like "i woke up from a nap", are fucking idiots


I agree, but if you're laughing at the "Get Woke, Go Broke" line.....understand that's it "their" word being thrown back at them.

I personally don't go around using "woke" like a dumb-ass SJW hipster who got a pat on the head for saying "have a nice day" to some over-weight, pink-haired, multi-sexual, whatever, 'thing' serving me a coffee.
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reruns_revenge
07/08/18 2:35:19 PM
#39:


This is more of an incident with a thin skinned, entitled and victim mentality person grossly overreacting to mild disagreement and criticism that was in direct response to something she posted for public review and comment.

Basically, she's just an asshole that reacted like an asshole and got fired for being an asshole because it made her employer look bad. Incredible that she apparently not only continues to be unable to recognize as much, but think ls she is the victim of some sort of sexism. Quite hypocritically, I bet she's the type of person that cheers when reading a story about someone else acting like an asshole gets fired, even when it had nothing to do with their job.

And the proposition that there was some "condescension" or other derogatory tone in the other person's comments to her is plain fucking nonsense. They were beyond polite. Even if that were not the case, she shouldn't have acted like an asshole and then thrown out of the most ridiculous post hoc gender attack defenses I have ever seen. Honestly, you could only come up with that if you've already got a bias to support this type of bullshit regardless of the facts. Idiotic.

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VeeVees
07/08/18 2:38:02 PM
#40:


Golden Road posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Golden Road posted...
Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price

So you didn't actually read a single post in the thread in question then.

The post that set her off was politer and more considerate than about 112% of posts on PotD on a daily basis.

Yes I did. That guy was only "polite" if you think condescension is polite. It's insulting, not polite.

LMFAO
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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 2:48:42 PM
#41:


Golden Road posted...
Yes I did. That guy was only "polite" if you think condescension is polite. It's insulting, not polite.

If you think that was condescension, I can only assume you've had precious little human interaction over the course of your life.

You may also wish to flee the Internet for the rest of your life, because literally everything is downhill from here.


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Revelation34
07/08/18 3:50:43 PM
#42:


TallTamryu posted...
That's not good, that's bad.


Nah good. He wasn't a good person.

Joker_X_II posted...
(since who the fuck would ever hire her, if she's such a liability?)


She isn't.

Zeus posted...
Wanted to post a vid of a guy saying "Collateral damage," but couldn't immediately find one (and can't remember the movie where a character callously uses those words to answer a question about somebody else being hurt in an attack). However, his defense, while small, was extremely tone-deaf and unprofessional. He got caught up in a controversy because he deliberately inserted himself into the controversy in a provocatively stupid way.


He said one thing which wasn't bad at all. Him getting fired was moronic.
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DirtBasedSoap
07/08/18 3:57:51 PM
#43:


Sensual_T_Rex posted...
Geez your response is almost masturbatory in nature. I mean yeah she deserves to get fired and I agree screw identity politics but damn cut back the malicious glee.

This. People are fucking weiiiirdos.
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 4:37:17 PM
#44:


Revelation34 posted...
She isn't.


She is, why do you think they fired her?

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

No studio would want someone like that to speak for them.
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Revelation34
07/08/18 4:43:02 PM
#45:


Joker_X_II posted...

She is, why do you think they fired her?

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

No studio would want someone like that to speak for them.


Because companies are full of morons that think something a person did off their time is grounds for firing. Like the Chick-fil-A guy when it has no actual bearing on the company.
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blackhrt
07/08/18 4:56:08 PM
#46:


Andromicus posted...
Jesus Christ I hate this culture war shit


If we could even call it that.
I like how TC is taking joy in peoples misery for some reason.
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 5:00:08 PM
#47:


Revelation34 posted...
Joker_X_II posted...

She is, why do you think they fired her?

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

No studio would want someone like that to speak for them.


Because companies are full of morons that think something a person did off their time is grounds for firing. Like the Chick-fil-A guy when it has no actual bearing on the company.


But she was speaking for that company, she was on an open platform, inviting to all the GW2 gamers, speaking about her methods for game writing, writing for GW2, and again, flips her shit when she didn't like feedback, and hiding behind her identity politics too.

It's not like there is this 9-to-5 window where professional speech and personal speech transistion here. She was a member of ArenaNet, and essentially speaking for ArenaNet.

It's a totally different situation than the Chick-Fil-A story.
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Joker_X_II
07/08/18 5:01:08 PM
#48:


blackhrt posted...
I like how TC is taking joy in peoples misery for some reason.


It's karmic justice, knowing that the higher powers above us don't tolerate this kind of bullshit.
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VeeVees
07/08/18 5:05:40 PM
#49:


blackhrt posted...
Andromicus posted...
Jesus Christ I hate this culture war shit


If we could even call it that.
I like how TC is taking joy in peoples misery for some reason.

why shouldn't people take joy in seeing bad people get punished?
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ParanoidObsessive
07/08/18 8:09:09 PM
#50:


Revelation34 posted...
Because companies are full of morons that think something a person did off their time is grounds for firing.

If what you do is in the public eye and reflects badly on your company because you are literally discussing aspects of your job and shitting on the customers of that company, then yes, what you did on your off time is absolutely grounds for firing.

This is the double-sided sword that no one cared about years ago, but which is starting to bite people on the ass now. No one gives a shit about the idea of privacy, and loves throwing whatever thoughts are in their head on Twitter for the world to see in a desperate bid for people to pay attention, but then they get attention they don't like, and suddenly there are consequences for public behavior, and everyone throws a tantrum that there's no privacy or dividing line between public and private life anymore.

This is the world Myspace and Facebook and Twitter has made for us. As long as social media is a thing and you choose to use it, you are essentially your own PR team 100% of the time, and your behavior absolutely reflects on your employer. Especially when your social media proudly proclaims what you do for a living and you're actively discussing aspects of your job there.


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