Board 8 > Blade Mafia 12- I MOOstache you a question

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Possible. But a role like Corriks would catch him I think, if Corrik happened to watch Leo's target.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

On an opposite note, things are not looking good for Dels who really has nothing making him town.

I mean

I replaced in when Han was already confirmed scum

I called Mzero town

I made an alliance with Leo

You're probably not gonna find a single not-w/w interaction between me and any of them

Problem being didn't find any for Alakazam either.
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Yeah that sucks

But on the other hand...

WHIP SMACK!

death is right

if panthera is scum, he very well could believe chris's scan, think leo is dead weight, and immediately go for it

BUT if panthera is scum, he would know that chris's scan was bullshit, so he wouldn't think leo will be lynched for it, so he wouldn't follow

so yes this makes panthera look like town

i guess all i can really do is hope that maybe you think the not-w/w things death has can be fakeable

idk

Dels posted...

i guess all i can really do is hope that maybe you think the not-w/w things death has can be fakeable

idk

Right but that still leaves you in the PoE of 3.

I mean really, if my PoE is right and people follow it 9and I even am getting corrik on board with ashe now!) then we win even if we lynch you.
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It is why I keep repeating myself, and challenging everyone: Pierce my Process of Elimination. Tell me I am wrong. Panthera was a weak link but um... wow end of day 1 was enlightening.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dels posted...

i guess all i can really do is hope that maybe you think the not-w/w things death has can be fakeable

idk

Right but that still leaves you in the PoE of 3.

I mean really, if my PoE is right and people follow it 9and I even am getting corrik on board with ashe now!) then we win even if we lynch you.

you're not wrong

your cases and research here are just really airtight

i truly do believe that pxl and ashe are town, and i've come around on panthera, and corrik obviously must be

so the only way that lynches of me/death/shad doesn't win town the game is if you are scum

because i think if you're town, then you're right about everything

and if you're scum, then you win by getting a mislynch onto whichever of shad/death is town, and then onto me (in some order)

so

the only reason I really have to be worried here is if you are scum (since I'm not too worried about you being wrong town)

otherwise, a lynch on me does not stop town from winning

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It is why I keep repeating myself, and challenging everyone: Pierce my Process of Elimination. Tell me I am wrong. Panthera was a weak link but um... wow end of day 1 was enlightening.

i guess i'm not surprised to hear that considering he WAS an end of day wagon and it does look like multiple scum pushed it

basically the only reason i should fight for my survival is so that if the game DOES get to a final 3 of dels/chris/one of ashe or panthera, I'm there to fight for town's victory

and that just doesn't seem likely to happen

Dels, let's not wait.

Go and build a scum case against me.
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It is reasonable in your seat if you are town to be worried about that. Very reasonable. Use my methods, you are versed in them, and research the last lingering doubt in your heart.
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no i said i'm focusing elsewhere sorry

i'll check and comment and stuff but that's all i can do

sorry

Hey Chris I am noticing here that you were the one that sorta started the Panthera movement with just a single sentence.
Makes me to think that things might have snowballed for scum once Scare and you voted Panth.

Or Leo and Hand were trying to score brownie points by voting with you. Still though, because of those day3 spoilers I am already getting more comfortable calling Panth town. So this is more me recording some context.
(And since Han mentioned not liking Panth early still, he was kinda forced to vote Panth regardless)
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Okay sure.

Well obviously everyone is welcome to go and research every single post I've made this topic.
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Also posting that just to play a little devils advocate and see what you think of the theory that those two were too affraid of you to not vote Panth.
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htaeD posted...

Hey Chris I am noticing here that you were the one that sorta started the Panthera movement with just a single sentence.
Makes me to think that things might have snowballed for scum once Scare and you voted Panth.

Or Leo and Hand were trying to score brownie points by voting with you. Still though, because of those day3 spoilers I am already getting more comfortable calling Panth town. So this is more me recording some context.
(And since Han mentioned not liking Panth early still, he was kinda forced to vote Panth regardless)

Yeah Panth's post felt off and it just irked me. I didn't need much of a reason to try to get things moving.

... And I do that for situations like this. Look how enlightening it is when you make scum play fast and loose at an end of a day ^_^.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Okay sure.

Well obviously everyone is welcome to go and research every single post I've made this topic.

In time. I am almost done with day1 for Panth and Eaed!
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i don't have much for a case against you except that maybe your treatment of me yesterday was a scum agenda, gimmick to find a way to scumread me based on one simple thing and then ignore me

if you're scum i know what your plan is: to create a nearly perfect PoE, citing all the real reasons there are to townread everyone except for me/shad/death and then get 2 mislynches from it because only 1 of those 3 is your buddy.

that's a feasible plan. but i don't think it's happening.

i mean, i've caught you as scum before, granted that was years ago, but i must have some sort of gut ability to tell when you're not fully legit, and so far i haven't really felt anything off from you. it is as you say, your sheer excitement for scumhunting seems to be coming through

I don't think they were afraid of me, per se. If they were I'd be dead regardless of my silly day 1. I think they sought to take advantage of my initial error in judgment on Panth to force a claim on a relatively strong player, and if he ate a mislynch all the better because it would be easy to take focus away from the people that followed me and bring it to bar on me with increased scrutiny.
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Also:

4 Scare - (Leo), Shad, (Leo), FD, (IGCD), Zam, (Chris), Donker
4 Panth - (Han), (Han), Scare, Chris, Leo, Han

Scum don't like to pile on to one lynch and despite Leo not liking Scare he switches to Panth. If Shad and Zam are scum (and to them Scare is a strong mislynch so I can believe 3 scum are on it) then right now it is 2/2 split of the scum with Mzero off in dowolf land.
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eh, death isn't on there, it could be a 2/1 split, scum love being off-wagon?

idk the situation though

Corrik didnt seem too interested in the Panth lynch, as an aside +point for him.
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i guess at this point i see myself like an observer who is watching you try to solve the game, and i have the one piece of the puzzle you need (that this "zam" slot is town) and i can try to, like, offer perspective from knowing that

but eh

I believe I was sleeping with my vote left on Colzach
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No very true, as mzero was off wagon.

Just pointing something out.
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Yeah it is possible it is Shad/Death. Liked quite a few Death posts though.
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In Shads defense, he doesnt join the Panth lynch either.
And at that point Mzero asks how Shad even feels about Panthera. I dont think it says much about Shad, since the other option was town Donker.

But the fact that Mzero dared to poke Shad about Panth feels like an unnecessary risk to take if it could cause Shad to vote a scumPanth.

Also yikes, I didnt realize how close this was actually happening to deadline.
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idk, personally the death posts you quote aren't stand-outs for me like the eaed ones

but maybe that's because i "know" he is scum so i'm biased

They made no effort to unvote Panth either. And they couldnt have known Panths claim would save him.
Yeah I am way more comfortable with Panth now (Panth you should talk more!)
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Also I like this post from Death:

I feel, the fact that we're thinking about it more than Han himself, speaks miles about him anyway.

It felt like he was mulling it over and then realized 'Oh, Han has given up. OK then." And he moved on with his day. Town points to death.

like this. eh. that's not an AMAZING observation to make. i don't read that post and think "no way scum ever says that about a buddy". so it's a decent point but it's not a super strong one.

and

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Personally this exchange makes me like Death more. In it Death is like "Hm, what could we be missing?" while Mzero is like 'Han is obviously scum." Scum tend to do a very poor job of being paranoid when things are obvious. It's a weakness. They just go "Oh good catch" and move on. Leo did it, Mzero did it. It doesn't have to a scum thing all the time (I didn't bother with paranoia, for instance) but it is usually a town thing when people do the opposite like death did here.

i think you're probably exagerating the level of death's "paranoia"? death, even says so himself, ALWAYS considers both angles, doesn't jump to conclusions, etc. isn't it just natural that he'd be asking questions instead of accepting the obvious conclusion? i totally get what you mean, town are the ones who stay paranoid (see: pxl, a living extreme) but i don't see this as death really fitting that archtype.

I like to pretend I at least evolved past being the guy who takes forever to tie a knot on Lylo
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death's response to my fake leo action:

I too find it pretty difficult to believe the N0 part of Chris' claim

though that technically has no bearing on his n2 claim, so I would like to see Leo's response either way

that said, Chris is acting wildly different from his previous game, which is good

Before this he had been kind of suspicious of me. Now he is like "Yeah this is different ok!"

again,

i'd never give this "scum wouldn't have thought to make this post!" points

this is pretty surface level stuff

considers the claim both ways, uses pretty weak language to indicate he doesn't believe the n0 thing, follows it up with some other thought that doesn't really relate and concludes that it's all irrelevant because he wants a response either way? weak imo

and a very basic "acting different" read, which, again, makes the post wishy washy because he's accusing you of lying, but still wanting leo to react as if you're telling the truth, but maybe you're town

like idk chris, i can see why the post reads fine and not percievably scummy, but is it really that good?

none of this seems outside of death's scum range

htaeD posted...

I like to pretend I at least evolved past being the guy who takes forever to tie a knot on Lylo

eh, i'm sure you have

look, last night was fun and I am still open-minded but

at this point it's becoming clear that i just fully believe in the same PoE as chris. i just do not think ashe, panthera, corrik, or pxl are scum.

so as long as i believe chris is town (which I assume he is), I'm basically just gonna keep shading you today and trying to help chris see the picture where you are scum. sorry in advance.

Dels posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death's response to my fake leo action:

I too find it pretty difficult to believe the N0 part of Chris' claim

though that technically has no bearing on his n2 claim, so I would like to see Leo's response either way

that said, Chris is acting wildly different from his previous game, which is good

Before this he had been kind of suspicious of me. Now he is like "Yeah this is different ok!"

again,

i'd never give this "scum wouldn't have thought to make this post!" points

this is pretty surface level stuff

considers the claim both ways, uses pretty weak language to indicate he doesn't believe the n0 thing, follows it up with some other thought that doesn't really relate and concludes that it's all irrelevant because he wants a response either way? weak imo

and a very basic "acting different" read, which, again, makes the post wishy washy because he's accusing you of lying, but still wanting leo to react as if you're telling the truth, but maybe you're town

like idk chris, i can see why the post reads fine and not percievably scummy, but is it really that good?

none of this seems outside of death's scum range

You gave it credit when it was eaed
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death and Mzero then engage in some discussion in the mid 230s of Topic 4 about the night actions. I suggest everyone goes back and reads this exchange and see if you have any opinions on it.

htaeD
06/29/18 4:36:00 AM
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also hmm
maybe scum found out that FD was hinting hider, like dowolf did (or dowolf is scum!)
but thats a big leap, and we still dont know what SUPER means anyway
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htaeD
06/29/18 5:58:21 AM
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I was surprised to see Zach unblocked and apparently untargeted for a kill
one I suppose could be explained by scums docfear, but its not as if they had better RB targets

scum could have been really sure Colzach would never shoot them, which does make me like Corrik more

nut while one cant rule out zach being scum, I feel he wouldnt have shot Scare if he was
and a role like his is not one scum can keep alive for long anyway
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

this?

i don't know anything about the night 1 situation at all (or hell the night 2 or 3 situations either)

but i dunno chris

isn't death, as scum, perfectly capable of theorizing about night actions? i've seen him do it before i'm pretty sure, or at least, i assume he can.

the fact that he's doing it with mzero is interesting, but i dunno, at this point i wanna see really strong not-w/w stuff

like you quote posts from others and say "NO WAY SCUM EVER MAKES THESE POSTS WITH EACH OTHER. NO. WAY."

if you can't do that with death and mzero then it's just not as strong?

p.s. corrik THAT'S how you format posts you quote from past topics

uses pretty weak language to indicate he doesn't believe the n0 thing

Thats just the way I like to write. *shrug*

Also I have to correct you there. I called the n0 part a lie. Not the whole claim.
I felt it possible for chris to add some extra stuff to his claim just for shits and giggles.

But like I said, I wanted to wait for Leo as well because I just dont like going after players who I am not sure can even post at the moment.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You gave it credit when it was eaed

eaed's are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger

those eaed posts show a very clear mindset that neither of us believe eaed is capable of faking

i don't think death's mindset is as clear in these and i think we know he's capable of faking it

htaeD posted...

uses pretty weak language to indicate he doesn't believe the n0 thing

Thats just the way I like to write. *shrug*

Also I have to correct you there. I called the n0 part a lie. Not the whole claim.
I felt it possible for chris to add some extra stuff to his claim just for shits and giggles.

But like I said, I wanted to wait for Leo as well because I just dont like going after players who I am not sure can even post at the moment.

true, i do realize you were only calling the n0 part a lie, not the whole claim. sorry my wording didn't imply that.

also chris what a bad post from you again >_>

i felt that one of your "this can't be scum" reads was right

so i can't think that another one of them is less right?

I have to say though. It does worry me that Dels doesnt seem at all concerned about the chances of Shad being town or scum.
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Dels posted...

also chris what a bad post from you again >_>

i felt that one of your "this can't be scum" reads was right

so i can't think that another one of them is less right?

You said you never give town points. Your words not mine.
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htaeD posted...

I have to say though. It does worry me that Dels doesnt seem at all concerned about the chances of Shad being town or scum.

oh bullshit.

what worries you?

i have a goddamn PoE that I've made it very clear I believe strongly in

I haven't even been in the game at the same time as Shad, I think I've only seen him make ONE post, explaining why he'll be inactive.

what concern do you want me to have?

Actually I should have just asked him about that, sorry Delse.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dels posted...

also chris what a bad post from you again >_>

i felt that one of your "this can't be scum" reads was right

so i can't think that another one of them is less right?

You said you never give town points. Your words not mine.

what?

i said i would never give death's post town points

not that i never give them

i can sort of see how you misread that sentence but also my entire method of playing the game is townhunting so wtf

Ah I did misread.

Also he is in the poe. Obviously I agree it isn't super strong.
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ok

well like i said it's sort of my job to poke at it and remind you it isn't very strong

i guess you're right that goes without saying since if it was as strong as the eaed (or panthera) stuff you'd just remove him from the PoE

meh

just doing my job

i'm just gonna keep trying to help you see death as scum. consider me a helpful voice trying to guide you in the right direction.

This is more of the PoE, than anything you have done yourself. Dont misunderstand, this is barely a theory at this point. I just wanted to air my guts.

Mathematically scum needs 2 more mislynches. I am likely one, and assuming you are scum, it doesnt come across like you need more than me and Shads lynches.

I realize now, that whether you were town or pretending to be, you wouldnt want think to look further into the future than you need.
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