Board 8 > Blade Mafia 12- I MOOstache you a question

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the duck goes moo
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panthera

take a step back for a moment

notice the way you are reacting

incredulous, going out of your mind, completely unable to comprehend, forced to keep fighting with me for hours because you just can't handle my idiocy

that is town reaction (or at least god i hope it is, laugh at me privately if not)

compare to death

compare to ashe (who yesterday was getting SO SO SO pissed off at me for my alliance s***, just like you)

compare to death again

TOWNIES are the ones who get SO WORKED UP over this

scum are the ones who have to fake it

look at these past 2 pages and ask yourself if maybe death is faking it, because his reactions are not as strong as yours

also death i'm not swearing on anything outside the game

and i'm not saying "my word" applies to anything that isn't purely action-based

i.e. "i give my word i won't vote you today" "i give my word that i will do X"

never "i give my word i am town"

I don't say that and never would

though to be honest I hadn't considered that here and I honestly don't know the legality of it so you maaaaaay be right and we should stop

and yeah it's gonna circle because ultimately you either believe that i believe in loyalty and therefore all my actions are explained by it

or you don't

nothing else to be said.

other than that, you can go back and look at everything i said yesterday and see that i always called mzero town, never called leo town, and that's that.

Or maybe you shouldnt treat each player as the same.
I dont see myself as the type to go out of my mind anyway.

Nice deflection though.
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htaeD posted...

Or maybe you shouldnt treat each player as the same.
I dont see myself as the type to go out of my mind anyway.

Nice deflection though.

no, it's not a deflection

you may not be the type to go out of your mind, but that is how PoE works, when enough townies ARE, they prove themselves town

and you calling this a deflection is you starting to take opportunities to point out why I am scum, because like we outlined earlier, that is your play here

Dels posted...

also death i'm not swearing on anything outside the game

and i'm not saying "my word" applies to anything that isn't purely action-based

i.e. "i give my word i won't vote you today" "i give my word that i will do X"

never "i give my word i am town"

I don't say that and never would

though to be honest I hadn't considered that here and I honestly don't know the legality of it so you maaaaaay be right and we should stop

Well you are trying to create something that will affect other games in the future.
Doesnt do much for us here, in the present.
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panthera probably wouldn't consider himself the type to go out of his mind in a mafia game either, but when faced with me, he does =P

htaeD posted...

Well you are trying to create something that will affect other games in the future.
Doesnt do much for us here, in the present.

basically

if we are ever playing settlers of catan

and i agree not to use the robber on you

then i won't

Dels posted...

htaeD posted...

Or maybe you shouldnt treat each player as the same.
I dont see myself as the type to go out of my mind anyway.

Nice deflection though.

no, it's not a deflection

you may not be the type to go out of your mind, but that is how PoE works, when enough townies ARE, they prove themselves town

and you calling this a deflection is you starting to take opportunities to point out why I am scum, because like we outlined earlier, that is your play here

Its very easy to start calling things I do as scum, when you already start from the position that I am scum and work your way backwards.
I call it as I see it.
And I saw that as 'Panth stop looking at me, look at death'.
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Aside:
We could play settlers of catan on here?
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Dont misunderstand, I am pretty frustrated that this alliance thing is still... a factor.

But I cant be too mad, when we are lynching Mzero anyway.
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Yes I do want panth to stop looking at me for a moment and look at you

That's why my post literally says "take a step back and look at death"

Again you are making it sound like I am trying to paint you as scum

But I am open minded and I haven't been talking to you like you are scum, have I?

But I believed I had a point to make that supports the theory of you being scum, so I made it

Panth is a big boy he can consider both of us

htaeD posted...

Dont misunderstand, I am pretty frustrated that this alliance thing is still... a factor.

But I cant be too mad, when we are lynching Mzero anyway.

We may very well be but that just makes this a 96-hour day with an intermission

And I don't intend on being the leading star of act 2

Panthera, read deaths posts over the last few pages and ask yourself if you see a clear PoV of if he believes I am scum or not

Any signs of him leaning towards it?

Look for subconscious stuff below the surface, i.e. not the post where he says "well Dels you are in the POE so you are probably scum"

You confuse me.
Sometimes you sound like you are trying to be openminded.
At other times you are saying stuff like 'thats your play'. Which would only make sense if you were viewing me as scum.

But to be equally fair and openminded, I suppose if you are town you have the right to poke at me.
And I did say this conversation was going nowhere
Its just that if you are scum, you probably NEED me dead. (and yes I know Panth could say the same thing about me VS you)
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Am fine with it being 72-hour day btw , if Mzero is the lynch then let's just do it before 11pm, I don't think we need 48 hours of this followed by another 48?

Also feels like you're trying to undermine me somehow.
Though that could just be that it feels like you're talking like I am not in the room.
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Dels posted...

Am fine with it being 72-hour day btw , if Mzero is the lynch then let's just do it before 11pm, I don't think we need 48 hours of this followed by another 48?

I can agree with this.
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htaeD posted...

You confuse me.
Sometimes you sound like you are trying to be openminded.
At other times you are saying stuff like 'thats your play'. Which would only make sense if you were viewing me as scum.

But to be equally fair and openminded, I suppose if you are town you have the right to poke at me.
And I did say this conversation was going nowhere
Its just that if you are scum, you probably NEED me dead. (and yes I know Panth could say the same thing about me VS you)

I'm open-minded and I'll respond to every post you make and treat you as a townie while we talk

But also I'm gonna keep doing the thing where I psyche you out and make it hard for you if you are scum

The psyche outs are just kind of an "if you are scum, be scared. If you are town, ignore this"

What I just said to panther is a legit point though

If I'm scum it prooooobably means I need you dead yes. If I'm scum then my best strategy is probably to hope Chris can lead the town to lynch you and shad (one of which is my buddy... ? Idk ) to get to final 3...?

I have no idea, I am not scum so I haven't thought about it =P

htaeD posted...

Also feels like you're trying to undermine me somehow.
Though that could just be that it feels like you're talking like I am not in the room.

I was talking to Panth >_>

I mean look, if you are town, sorry to talk past you

If you are scum, then I've gotta get my points somewhere lol

It's good play for me to not get so caught up in a silly argument that I don't do anything but defend myself

I have a question in the mean time though.
What makes everyone not in your PoE, town to you?
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Also death

Undermine means discredit your points right?

You have no points right now.

You're not really saying anything damning about me. Panthera sort of is. You're mostly making some observations and asking questions. There is no need to undermine you

Not have you posted any strong points elsewhere today since you've mostly just said your POE is wider than mine and haven't done anything else

Again, I would ask Panthera or any other reader to ask themselves who seems more townie: me who came into the day with a clear direction and conviction and presented ideas, or you, who has not yet done any of those things. (Not that it has to be just me vs you. I am aware that scum me would want it to be me vs you so I want to make it clear thats not what I'm doing)

htaeD posted...

I have a question in the mean time though.
What makes everyone not in your PoE, town to you?

What makes your townies town to you? What makes your POE not clear?

But you asked first.

Corrik seems to be a scanner after all SMH (and if Mzero is town then he's lynched by default)

Chris I just simply believe is not scum, I think I know his scum game (sort of) and it has more agenda vs here I feel he is truly on a roll and excited to be sifting through stuff. Plus his treatment of me, he probably was legit mad.

Ashe like I said Chris pointed out some eaed posts that really just do not seem like scum would ever make them plus like I said, legit frustration

Pxl because obviously.

The biggest maybe for me (besides Chris tinfoil) is panthera but I'm just sort of trusting Chris here plus I just sort of like pantheras posts. Plus he is like I said genuinely pissed off at me. Like for realz.

Hmm

I know why a Dels/shad team tries to win with a fake scan Gambit , that team is screeeewed without it.

What about a team with death or Panthera in it though?

Does death really sign off on this ridiculous plan? Does he not feel he can win...? I guess if his buddies are shad Leo and Mzero then maybe no?

Mrh

Undermine means more than that, Delse. Dont pretend otherwise.
In this instance I meant that you're (seemingly) trying to make me look suspect so that nobody even bothers to look at my questions or arguments. And I have made points anyway. One being that your vote on Mzero was unnecessary even for your alliance and likely more helpful to scum.

I just woke up more confused than anything (and to be honest, distracted by other stuff), I dont have a major direction yet. (for the day after today)

And you're doing it again, trying really hard to influence opinions on me from the getgo.
I can say the same thing.
Who comes across as more scummy, the one who doesnt know who else could be scum, or the one who keeps trying to setup lynches after Mzero's lynch?
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Now death, tell me why you asked me that. What were you looking for?

Dels posted...

What makes your townies town to you? What makes your POE not clear?

I already spoke about this when I first showed up.
I dont feel I need to explain why I see pxel as town. And with Chris its still the same stuff as before, just more so now that he is 'woke' so to speak. Also he was partially instrumental in getting Leo lynched over Mzero, so I see no reason to believe he is scum.

You have some good reasons for liking Chris, I will give you that. But with Ahe and Panth it just sounds like you're following Chris. And that makes me concerned scumyou could just drop that if Chris dies one of these nights
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Dels posted...

Now death, tell me why you asked me that. What were you looking for?

For some of that 'genuineness' you were talking about earlier.
(You had a nice way to phrase it, I forget what it was)
I wanted to see if you actually could vouch for your opinions and make it sound like a town mindset.
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Are you kidding me that you're going to talk about other people not understanding different perspectives and you're going to try to argue that I should think Death is scum for not reacting like I do when I already know full well Death is not the type to react like me, like, ever, under any circumstances. You literally think this is a town tell for me instead of realizing that I would be acting this way even as scum because of how weird your stated views are to me, and you're going to lecture others about not trying to understand other peoples mindsets.

Dels posted...

but yes, correctly townreading me means trying to understand my point of view, which you do not seem to be doing. it is hard to accept new ideas perhaps, I know

Literally this entire thing has been me questioning you and trying to make sense of your thought process and how it works in the game while you insist I am daft and closed minded for not instantly believing you. Like I have gone back through my posts over and over to make sure I haven't snapped on you and not realized it and no, I have discussed everything in the sense of how it applies to the game of mafia with about the harshest thing being that I described your actions as trolling in the sense of being aimed to distract and confuse your real motives. I've been trying for days to figure you out while you bring nothing but relentless condescension and a refusal to consider why your actions don't add up to me. I've been staring at this post for way too long trying to figure out how to say whatever the hell it is I'm feeling but I can't figure it out so I'll make it simple and say I'm too damn stubborn to give up so you're going to be stuck with me here for as long as this fucking game continues whether you like it or not
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Btw
I know how this will sound, so crucify me for it if you must.
But I'd like to think scum me would never endorse whateverthehell plan mzero had.
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Dude

Me pointing out reasons why you could be scum isn't stopping anyone from looking at your points

By that logic, any scum accusation ever is undermining (well I guess they sort of are)

And you know what , you are majorly overreacting, my trying to point out your attitude doesn't meant suddenly no one's gonna listen to you

You made the point that my vote could be helpful to scum? Well no shit. I said that too. I did admit voting Mzero wasn't neeeded for the alliance so sure you have a point there.

Also don't even try to paint my mindset as scummier. Yes, sometimes scum are the ones with agenda and sometimes town are lost.

But always, always, town are the ones with genuine thoughts and scum are the ones who struggle to reproduce it. Yes I am going after someone now (or rather I've settled on a POE) BUT you can see at the start of the day how my POe was wider, how I showed perspectives on every player (wondered about Chris, tried to solve corrik, kept Panthera in POE etc) and how it progressed to where it is now, and throughout that you can see my clear stances

You so far came into the day without a direction and haven't posted the thoughts I have or taken stances.

When I talk to you there are very clear indicators in my words that show my complex feelings about you, psyching you out, believing you are likely scum and treating you as such etc

Your posts to me are more detached

I maintain that right now, compared to me, you look scummier

Also, to brag a little
Past me has solo'd scumteams to Mylo and sometimes even victory.
And last game my team forgot to send in a GAME-WINNING night action in time, and I still tried to help them out. (eventually)
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htaeD posted...

Btw
I know how this will sound, so crucify me for it if you must.
But I'd like to think scum me would never endorse whateverthehell plan mzero had.

Yeah that's why I said I have no clue what happened there

htaeD posted...

Also, to brag a little
Past me has solo'd scumteams to Mylo and sometimes even victory.
And last game my team forgot to send in a GAME-WINNING night action in time, and I still tried to help them out. (eventually)

I didn't know that

Figured you for more of a floaty win with the team type

Figuredd

Dels posted...

Again, I would ask Panthera or any other reader to ask themselves who seems more townie: me who came into the day with a clear direction and conviction and presented ideas, or you, who has not yet done any of those things. (Not that it has to be just me vs you. I am aware that scum me would want it to be me vs you so I want to make it clear thats not what I'm doing)

In this game I have showed up to the start of a day with a five post wall of nonsense plus a Jinjo ASCII, and I have also showed up to the start of a day with little more than confusion over what Leo's role was. Having a clear direction doesn't mean anything, especially when MZero's claim change post and Corrik's claim could potentially have shifted any direction someone did have. I would also take exception to the idea that I haven't bothered to present ideas but whatever
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I don't want to talk to you anymore, Panthera. Sorry. I am sorry that you see me that way when I am just trying to play the game and explain myself, and when my posts are trying to show certain things or consider possibilities and when I admit that I see why things look a certain way for me and you say I am being closedmind and condescending. Have a good night.

Hello there Death, haven't talked to you much this game. How is this whole business affecting your perception of Dels and I? You have...seventeen seconds to answer or you are proven scum! (that is a joke)
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You in that post means death not you

Dels posted...

Dude

Me pointing out reasons why you could be scum isn't stopping anyone from looking at your points

By that logic, any scum accusation ever is undermining (well I guess they sort of are)

And you know what , you are majorly overreacting, my trying to point out your attitude doesn't meant suddenly no one's gonna listen to you

Fair enough. I admit I am having trouble trusting what you do and seeing it all as a scumplan.

Also don't even try to paint my mindset as scummier. Yes, sometimes scum are the ones with agenda and sometimes town are lost.

But always, always, town are the ones with genuine thoughts and scum are the ones who struggle to reproduce it. Yes I am going after someone now (or rather I've settled on a POE) BUT you can see at the start of the day how my POe was wider, how I showed perspectives on every player (wondered about Chris, tried to solve corrik, kept Panthera in POE etc) and how it progressed to where it is now, and throughout that you can see my clear stances

You so far came into the day without a direction and haven't posted the thoughts I have or taken stances.

When I talk to you there are very clear indicators in my words that show my complex feelings about you, psyching you out, believing you are likely scum and treating you as such etc

Your posts to me are more detached

All I was saying is that I could say things like you did. I dont 100 % believe town is always lost or that scum always has a plan.

I explained the no direction thing. I didnt even have the time yet to narrow my PoE. Why would I have the thoughts you have? I dont know what you are, and you cant know that I am town. (Unless you are scum of course). I think I come across as detached, because you are making yourself hard to get a grasp on.
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Panthera posted...

Hello there Death, haven't talked to you much this game. How is this whole business affecting your perception of Dels and I? You have...seventeen seconds to answer or you are proven scum! (that is a joke)

Its not affecting my perception of you much yet. Though since I had you as neutral, thats probably a good thing.

As for Dels, I confess. He is at least good at arguing. And his weirdness could indeed be that psyching out-thing he is trying. But I cant shake the feeling that everything he says is to set me up.
The whole 'sometimes he is openminded, other times he is scum'.
He has a cover story for everything, basically.
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You seem kind of paranoid. Whole lot of discussion, all of it is about setting you up? Sheesh man, surely at least some of it is about me.

(that was...sort of...a joke...?)

Have you played with Dels before, enough to have any particular insight?
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Well okay, not all of it.

In my defense, I woke up with alarms blaring everywhere.

And actually I know I played with Delse before, but I hardly remember specific traits of his.
I dont think he ever pulled stuff on the level of the alliance before.
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Nor do I recall him being particularly confident.
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htaeD posted...

Dels posted...

What makes your townies town to you? What makes your POE not clear?

I already spoke about this when I first showed up.
I dont feel I need to explain why I see pxel as town. And with Chris its still the same stuff as before, just more so now that he is 'woke' so to speak. Also he was partially instrumental in getting Leo lynched over Mzero, so I see no reason to believe he is scum.

You have some good reasons for liking Chris, I will give you that. But with Ahe and Panth it just sounds like you're following Chris. And that makes me concerned scumyou could just drop that if Chris dies one of these nights

You literally just followed me yesterday too.
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Dels I cannot possibly be scum because Corrik is alive today.
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Basically to just really break down the paranoia thing for everyone a second here, if I am scum Corrik is my scum buddy.

Because I literally knew Corrik was power, laid out my exact logic, and that evil perceptive genius is what allows me to make sublime scum kills when I am scum. As scum dowolf isn't the kill, Corrik is and my friend Mzero is allowed to remain unchecked.

Basically you think this mess happens on my watch? Naive.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

htaeD posted...

Dels posted...

What makes your townies town to you? What makes your POE not clear?

I already spoke about this when I first showed up.
I dont feel I need to explain why I see pxel as town. And with Chris its still the same stuff as before, just more so now that he is 'woke' so to speak. Also he was partially instrumental in getting Leo lynched over Mzero, so I see no reason to believe he is scum.

You have some good reasons for liking Chris, I will give you that. But with Ahe and Panth it just sounds like you're following Chris. And that makes me concerned scumyou could just drop that if Chris dies one of these nights

You literally just followed me yesterday too.

Yes but I know I am town.
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But if you know you are town why would you judge others for play a town motivated you chose as well?
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