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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 3:33:37 PM
#151:


FrisbeeDude posted...
why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile

"which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?"

Fuck outta here


Actually yeah that's a fair response to his tone, his leading, and the false dichotomy he presented.

But why do you, assuming you do, support AA?
What's the goal, what changes would cause you to stop supporting it, and . . . being a little hostile here, will you be honest enough to admit that yes, it is racial discrimination even if you believe it to still be necessary?
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Funbazooka
07/03/18 4:01:11 PM
#152:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
lmao what lulzy loaded questions


The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own.


why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile

"which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?"

Fuck outta here

Leftist fragility
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Big_Nabendu
07/03/18 4:07:37 PM
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Dusk_
07/03/18 4:15:42 PM
#154:


Good ;)
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Maninstagnate
07/03/18 4:34:28 PM
#155:


BWLurker posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there

A quota doesn't get rid of that though. It just makes the bias stronger because of resentment. There's a problem, sure, but let's not overcorrect to fix it.


I work at a company that obviously is forced to use this and these people they promote really don't have the skills or understanding to manage and has made poor decisions. With the quota gone they have a much better selection of candidates and can get rid of them if they really screw up.
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Kaiganeer
07/03/18 4:42:41 PM
#156:


don't asian-americans get super screwed over by how admission is currently handled? making people's ethnicity not be a factor in those decisions seems like the fair and not racist way of handling it
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 4:49:03 PM
#157:


Stuff like this is why I'm not sure the Bluewave is crashing this Nov.
If Dems were militantly defending the EPA or something, okay I'm with you 100%, but aliening not only conservatives, but liberals that don't tow the narrative . . . it's bad pr, bad branding, bad marketing, bad whathave.
This is not the type of issue to dig your heels in on and cheaply throw out accusations of racism. This is the exact thing us liberal "house cleaners" are fucking harking on.
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CelestiaXXXTime
07/03/18 4:58:15 PM
#158:


It's best to pick based on qualification than by race.

This makes it far more fair.
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ModLogic
07/03/18 5:15:03 PM
#159:


AA actively discriminates against certain minorities and there is zero justification


https://youtube.com/watch?v=5xBNCw2MCwo#t=2m50s

"all lives matter"
"NOT all lives. BLACK lives."
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 5:34:42 PM
#160:


I was listening to this in NPR on the way home, they think this is part of the plan to overturn a SCOTUS decision on AA's legality once's Kennedy is gone, which is was the previous swing vote on.
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cerealbox760
07/03/18 5:41:02 PM
#161:


It's not a bad thing. The backlash is miniscule and Republicans are cashing in by pretending there's a huge massive liberal uproar. It doesn't help when the idiot 'never trumpers' escalate and make the entire liberal base look bad.
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gmanthebest
07/03/18 5:41:43 PM
#162:


About time he did something right
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Shelhamer92
07/03/18 5:44:41 PM
#163:


I'm very anti Trump and I support this. I want the next generations to be successful, and that's accomplished by rewarding the hardest workers and the naturally gifted.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/03/18 5:54:38 PM
#164:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why

So why not base admissions on family income instead of race

Does Malia Obama need more help than the child of a poor Indian immigrant?


For Democrats to focus on class relations would be political suicide, the DNC relies too much on corporate money and this there will be no economic reform.

That's why they only have race cards to play.
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 5:55:04 PM
#165:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Stuff like this is why I'm not sure the Bluewave is crashing this Nov.
If Dems were militantly defending the EPA or something, okay I'm with you 100%, but aliening not only conservatives, but liberals that don't tow the narrative . . . it's bad pr, bad branding, bad marketing, bad whathave.
This is not the type of issue to dig your heels in on and cheaply throw out accusations of racism. This is the exact thing us liberal "house cleaners" are f***ing harking on.


Yeah Fuck black people. When people who complain stuff like AA , start complaining about the advantage white people have in every got damn aspect of life. I might give a fuck.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/03/18 5:56:27 PM
#166:


FrisbeeDude posted...
COVxy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does?


Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".


BIG FACTS


Asian and Hispanic aren't white races though.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/03/18 5:57:27 PM
#167:


cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...
cjsdowg posted...
It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.


Such as?


http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/


This reads like a troll blog, do better than this pls
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 5:57:37 PM
#168:


Shelhamer92 posted...
I'm very anti Trump and I support this. I want the next generations to be successful, and that's accomplished by rewarding the hardest workers and the naturally gifted.

Thats not how it works
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 6:02:38 PM
#169:


StarLightGlimmR posted...
cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...
cjsdowg posted...
It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.


Such as?


http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/


This reads like a troll blog, do better than this pls


This is from the Boston Globe. I have supported everything I have stated about the one going issues black people face while trying to get work or trying to go to school. And yet people who claim that just want equality want to write that off. It is typical. Black people are already given a 50 second late start in the America.. and people are complaining when we are award 10 seconds.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/03/18 6:03:38 PM
#170:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Shelhamer92 posted...
I'm very anti Trump and I support this. I want the next generations to be successful, and that's accomplished by rewarding the hardest workers and the naturally gifted.

Thats not how it works


Thanks to liberals, it used to favor minorities for votes.

Now it's going to back to merit.
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southcoast09
07/03/18 6:07:33 PM
#171:


s0nicfan posted...
Schwarber posted...
The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.


Why is getting rid of this bad?

Exactly. White and Asian students have been discriminated against. In before the dipshits who think anti white/Asian racism doesnt exist.

Everybody deserves a fair shot, but our nation no longer needs these leg-up programs. Our nation needs a best candidate gets the job kind of approach.

How exactly does being able to say youre diverse actually accomplish anything constructive? Remember that bridge that fell a few months ago and killed all those people? It was a woman-only work crew designed to stick it to men.

This is where discriminating against capable workers begins to get people killed. Trump is actually making real progress.
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 6:07:35 PM
#172:


StarLightGlimmR posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Shelhamer92 posted...
I'm very anti Trump and I support this. I want the next generations to be successful, and that's accomplished by rewarding the hardest workers and the naturally gifted.

Thats not how it works


Thanks to liberals, it used to favor minorities for votes.

Now it's going to back to merit.

Thats not how it works
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 6:10:24 PM
#173:


southcoast09 posted...

Exactly. White and Asian students have been discriminated against. In before the dips***s who think anti white/Asian racism doesnt exist.

Everybody deserves a fair shot, but our nation no longer needs these leg-up programs. Our nation needs a best candidate gets the job kind of approach.

How exactly does being able to say youre diverse actually accomplish anything constructive? Remember that bridge that fell a few months ago and killed all those people? It was a woman-only work crew designed to stick it to men.

This is where discriminating against capable workers begins to get people killed. Trump is actually making real progress.


Yeah that isn't true.. a lot of what you post isn't true so I have to key on the big one. It was not an all female crew.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-all-female-responsible-bridge-collapse/
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Bloodychess
07/03/18 6:10:36 PM
#174:


Blue_Inigo posted...
StarLightGlimmR posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Shelhamer92 posted...
I'm very anti Trump and I support this. I want the next generations to be successful, and that's accomplished by rewarding the hardest workers and the naturally gifted.

Thats not how it works


Thanks to liberals, it used to favor minorities for votes.

Now it's going to back to merit.

Thats not how it works

Sure
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 6:17:03 PM
#175:


cjsdowg posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Stuff like this is why I'm not sure the Bluewave is crashing this Nov.
If Dems were militantly defending the EPA or something, okay I'm with you 100%, but aliening not only conservatives, but liberals that don't tow the narrative . . . it's bad pr, bad branding, bad marketing, bad whathave.
This is not the type of issue to dig your heels in on and cheaply throw out accusations of racism. This is the exact thing us liberal "house cleaners" are f***ing harking on.


Yeah Fuck black people.


Do you know how fucking derange you sound if that's your take away from my post?

When people who complain stuff like AA , start complaining about the advantage white people have in every got damn aspect of life. I might give a fuck.


List them.
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Fluttershy462
07/03/18 6:34:27 PM
#176:


I dont see why this is controversial, its ending racial discrimination.

Special admissions need to be based on income.
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Vindris_SNH
07/03/18 6:36:14 PM
#177:


The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions


So... Trump is removing a racist policy that Obama set up?

... And people have a problem with this? Why?
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darkjedilink
07/03/18 6:40:30 PM
#178:


Vindris_SNH posted...
The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions


So... Trump is removing a racist policy that Obama set up?

... And people have a problem with this? Why?

Most of the people complaining are de-facto racists, and the rest either hate anything Trump does or love anything Obama did.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/03/18 6:41:48 PM
#179:


Blue_Inigo posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...


Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Qualifications dont fucking matter. Skin tone, money, and connections are what matters to the shits in power.


This is why we need to tear down the DNC and rebuild from the ground up.
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TheCyborgNinja
07/03/18 6:53:05 PM
#180:


So does this mean only white people will want to go to college now?!?! And here I thought everyone went to get an education then a good career. But it was all about those diverse pamphlets all along? What a fool I have been!
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JBaLLEN66
07/03/18 7:47:51 PM
#181:


Y'all do know that crime will increase right? These youths that can't find gainfully employed jobs are going to resort to crime to make ends meet. WAIT, I'm dealing with alt right redpill Trump voters.
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 7:47:57 PM
#182:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

List them.


Really I already have in this very topic. Everything from getting a job to getting in to college.

For example in the case at Mich were this woman complained because 85 black people under performed and still got in. While 1400 white people under performed and got him. Yet she didn't complain about those people. People complaining about AA didn't complain about those people.

Lets talk about Michigan some more you got extra points add to your admission score if you were from the upper section the state... not it is mostly white there.

If you come of a top high school you get points added to your admission, note race plays are role in this as well.

White people who have criminal record has the same chance of getting job as black guy with no record.
A white person who dropped out of high school has the same shot as job as black person with some college.
If your name sounds too black you get rejected from jobs.
And lets not even talk about the Affirmative action that came in from of the GI Bill that mostly excluded people of color and things like the Homestead act that full excluded people of color.
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darkjedilink
07/03/18 7:49:22 PM
#183:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
Y'all do know that crime will increase right? These youths that can't find gainfully employed jobs are going to resort to crime to make ends meet. WAIT, I'm dealing with alt right redpill Trump voters.

You realize you're saying that minorities will commit crime if they can't use racism to get into college, right?
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JBaLLEN66
07/03/18 7:53:56 PM
#184:


darkjedilink posted...
JBaLLEN66 posted...
Y'all do know that crime will increase right? These youths that can't find gainfully employed jobs are going to resort to crime to make ends meet. WAIT, I'm dealing with alt right redpill Trump voters.

You realize you're saying that minorities will commit crime if they can't use racism to get into college, right?


Racism to get in to college? Now we are experiencing racism to keep them out of college. Inner city schools are not on the same standards as your typical majority white schools.
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Duck-Butter
07/03/18 7:55:41 PM
#185:


its a white country with a racist administration,so this comes as NO SURPRISE.......
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Funbazooka
07/03/18 7:58:11 PM
#186:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
Y'all do know that crime will increase right? These youths that can't find gainfully employed jobs are going to resort to crime to make ends meet. WAIT, I'm dealing with alt right redpill Trump voters.

This is pretty racist
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creativerealms
07/03/18 7:59:51 PM
#187:


Obama should have announced that Donald Trump is a great person while he was in office so Trump could rescind that.
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JBaLLEN66
07/03/18 8:01:39 PM
#188:


Funbazooka posted...
JBaLLEN66 posted...
Y'all do know that crime will increase right? These youths that can't find gainfully employed jobs are going to resort to crime to make ends meet. WAIT, I'm dealing with alt right redpill Trump voters.

This is pretty racist


No, I might get robbed because of ********* like you.
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Ving_Rhames
07/03/18 8:03:53 PM
#189:


_RETS_ posted...
Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. Not race or anything else. I don't even know the point of your comment.


You clearly arent living in reality if you honestly think "merit" will EVER be all that matters. Actually, my bad, not just you, literally the majority of you people who ACTUALLY think employers and institutions arent operated by people. Until there's machine based hiring that actually goes by a strict merit based system, you can never rely on humans to curb bias in favor of raw meritocracy.

But Im not really surprised at the majority of you peoples short sightedness. Some names in here legit think white people are the most oppressed group in America. Lmao.
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Crazyman93
07/03/18 8:15:53 PM
#190:


"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."
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JBaLLEN66
07/03/18 8:16:55 PM
#191:


Crazyman93 posted...
"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."


well make the school systems equal then
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southcoast09
07/03/18 8:17:59 PM
#192:


President Trump is undeniably ending (some) systematic racism by doing this.
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Howl
07/03/18 8:41:48 PM
#193:


COVxy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does?


Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".


This lawsuit is literally about anti-asian discrimination.
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Amatsukaze
07/03/18 9:44:51 PM
#194:


Duck-Butter posted...
its a white country with a racist administration,so this comes as NO SURPRISE.......


So was ok for a black administration to tell universities to accept more blacks than everyone else despite qualifications?
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Ving_Rhames
07/03/18 9:46:24 PM
#195:


Amatsukaze posted...
So was ok for a black administration to tell universities to accept more blacks than everyone else despite qualifications?


A black administration: LOL
And youre aware who the primary benefactor of AA was, correct? Nah, of course you dont know that.
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Bloodychess
07/04/18 12:31:12 AM
#196:


Ving_Rhames posted...
Amatsukaze posted...
So was ok for a black administration to tell universities to accept more blacks than everyone else despite qualifications?


A black administration: LOL
And youre aware who the primary benefactor of AA was, correct? Nah, of course you dont know that.

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Crazyman93
07/04/18 5:29:57 AM
#197:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."


well make the school systems equal then

Glad you agree with removing affirmative action.
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cjsdowg
07/04/18 9:30:38 AM
#198:


Crazyman93 posted...
JBaLLEN66 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."


well make the school systems equal then

Glad you agree with removing affirmative action.


Do away with the advantages given to white people first.
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_RETS_
07/04/18 10:09:21 AM
#199:


cjsdowg posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
JBaLLEN66 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."


well make the school systems equal then

Glad you agree with removing affirmative action.


Do away with the advantages given to white people first.


You've yet to specify what codified advantages white people have.
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BignutzisBack
07/04/18 10:23:02 AM
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I don't think I've ever seen so many strawman arguments in one topic lol
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