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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:12:33 PM
#51:


cjsdowg posted...
In case you missed it since we posted at the same time..

A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college.
A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even.

YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.

And that's the case even though affirmative action has been in place for like 5 decades?

Maybe affirmative action is part of the problem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvnTByzTmA" data-time="


tl;dw: If a person has more lenient acceptance requirements, they will naturally get accepted into colleges beyond their capability. Because even though the admissions process is easier, the classes are not. By accepting less-qualified people into high-level universities, they have a much higher likelihood of dropping out, even though they would have easily been able to graduate at a college that is more suited to their ability.

This would be true regardless of the race of the person in question. It also explains why asians, having to meet a way higher standard than everyone else, have way higher
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:13:29 PM
#52:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
cjsdowg posted...
In case you missed it since we posted at the same time..

A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college.
A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even.

YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.

And that's the case even though affirmative action has been in place for like 5 decades

Maybe affirmative action is part of the problem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvnTByzTmA" data-time="

Nobody is going to watch youtube videos of people just as ignorant as you
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 2:13:39 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 2:14:07 PM
#54:


Literally codified discrimination is bad.
Post-hoc reasoning to believe there was discrimination is also bad.

Trying to fix the "discrimination" you assumed exists based on differences in racial statistics by using literal codified racial discrimination = terrible.

This is a good thing for fuck sake.
(Although it's Trump so there's probably something fucked up with it.)
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_RETS_
07/03/18 2:14:14 PM
#55:


FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.
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Samurontai
07/03/18 2:14:25 PM
#56:


-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s
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s0nicfan
07/03/18 2:15:47 PM
#57:


Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.
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COVxy
07/03/18 2:16:55 PM
#58:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race


Oh I'm all for this (and it would cut differential across races anyway, by virtue of their disparity).

But let's not pretend like people on this side of the camp wouldn't have an issue with this as well. I can't go a week without hearing some middle class kid complaining that FAFSA is unfair because of EFC.
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Samurontai
07/03/18 2:16:55 PM
#59:


s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:17:21 PM
#60:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Nobody is going to watch youtube videos of people just as ignorant as you

tl;dw: If a person is accepted to a university because of more lenient admission requirements, they will get accepted into colleges beyond their capability. Because even though the admissions process is easier, the classes are not. By accepting less-qualified people into high-level universities, they have a much higher likelihood of dropping out, even though they would have easily been able to graduate at a college that is more suited to their ability.

This would be true regardless of the race of the person in question. It also explains why asians, having to meet a way higher standard than everyone else, have way higher graduation rates than anyone else.
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:17:38 PM
#61:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Literally codified discrimination is bad.
Post-hoc reasoning to believe there was discrimination is also bad.

Trying to fix the "discrimination" you assumed exists based on differences in racial statistics by using literal codified racial discrimination = terrible.

This is a good thing for fuck sake.
(Although it's Trump so there's probably something fucked up with it.)

This coming from the guy who thinks it's ok to call black people racial slurs
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:17:56 PM
#63:


COVxy posted...
But let's not pretend like people on this side of the camp wouldn't have an issue with this as well.

It would still be better than racial discrimination, that's for damn sure.
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LightHawKnight
07/03/18 2:18:36 PM
#64:


cjsdowg posted...
LightHawKnight posted...


Sauce?


Crime
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/4/27/1380610/-Black-men-w-no-criminal-record-applying-for-jobs-treated-same-as-white-men-fresh-out-of-prison

Drop out

https://thinkprogress.org/a-black-college-student-has-the-same-chances-of-getting-a-job-as-a-white-high-school-dropout-b7639607fdf1/


Is it just me, or are those sites super biased?
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_RETS_
07/03/18 2:18:40 PM
#65:


Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


It's not relevant anyway. There is nothing mandating the outcomes seen in the judicial system, for better or worse for those involved.
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:18:57 PM
#66:


Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there
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FrisbeeDude
07/03/18 2:19:51 PM
#67:


_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...
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LightHawKnight
07/03/18 2:20:00 PM
#68:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there


Then the rules should be thus: You can't see the picture or the name of the person who is applying, just their list of skills.
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BWLurker
07/03/18 2:20:37 PM
#69:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there

A quota doesn't get rid of that though. It just makes the bias stronger because of resentment. There's a problem, sure, but let's not overcorrect to fix it.
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:21:59 PM
#70:


BWLurker posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there

A quota doesn't get rid of that though. It just makes the bias stronger because of resentment. There's a problem, sure, but let's not overcorrect to fix it.

If they aren't forced, then it wont be fixed. It has to be this way
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BWLurker
07/03/18 2:22:00 PM
#71:


LightHawKnight posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there


Then the rules should be thus: You can't see the picture or the name of the person who is applying, just their list of skills.

But then they'd just be turned down in the interview for reasons totally unrelated to race
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COVxy
07/03/18 2:22:11 PM
#72:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
COVxy posted...
But let's not pretend like people on this side of the camp wouldn't have an issue with this as well.

It would still be better than racial discrimination, that's for damn sure.


Not really, my guess is that the system would be incredibly similar. You are harping on this point because you think you have a gotchya moment, where you can call the other side racist.

But generally, it's not a bad policy to give minorities who have traditionally had a hard time in society a second glance. The issue, in reality, is a lack of empathy from the right, which assumes through their policy that poverty is primarily due to personal choices. I don't expect someone who has grown up affluent to understand what it's like to grow up through poverty. But these are the people who are usually making these policy decisions.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:22:13 PM
#73:


LightHawKnight posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there


Then the rules should be thus: You can't see the picture or the name of the person who is applying, just their list of skills.

Most resumes don't include a photo, so that's already done

But if your resume doesn't have a name on it, how the hell are you supposed to determine who is applying
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Samurontai
07/03/18 2:22:33 PM
#74:


_RETS_ posted...
Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


It's not relevant anyway. There is nothing mandating the outcomes seen in the judicial system, for better or worse for those involved.


It is relevant because its a distinct advantage that white people have over minorities
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Bishop9800
07/03/18 2:22:56 PM
#75:


LightHawKnight posted...
Is it just me, or are those sites super biased?


They are
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 2:23:28 PM
#76:


Blue_Inigo posted...
This coming from the guy who thinks it's ok to call black people racial slurs


I've never said this, what the fuck are you talking about?
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KStateKing17
07/03/18 2:23:39 PM
#77:


LightHawKnight posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Spooking posted...
As a business owner, I want to hire people based on skill, not to meet some quota forced upon me.

The quota is forced because in reality, people don't hire based purely on skill. Racial bias is clearly there


Then the rules should be thus: You can't see the picture or the name of the person who is applying, just their list of skills.

So fuck a background check then
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s0nicfan
07/03/18 2:23:47 PM
#78:


Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.

Better? Because you're still wrong.
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cjsdowg
07/03/18 2:24:55 PM
#79:


LightHawKnight posted...


Is it just me, or are those sites super biased?


Point out where they lied.
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darkjedilink
07/03/18 2:24:57 PM
#80:


Nomadic View posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Only backwater people would think this is a negative thing

You approve of racially discriminating?

No, which is why this is happening.
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Peter_Giffyndor
07/03/18 2:25:14 PM
#81:


s0nicfan posted...
Schwarber posted...
The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.


Why is getting rid of this bad?


Something something 45, something something impotent libcuck rage.

Who fucking cares what they think honestly, I stopped trying to keep up with the mental gymnastics these lunatics perform to make everything he does the worst thing ever.
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:25:16 PM
#82:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
This coming from the guy who thinks it's ok to call black people racial slurs


I've never said this, what the fuck are you talking about?

Sorry pal, Ive got you tagged. Youre not gonna just wipe away that L.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:25:19 PM
#83:


COVxy posted...
Not really, my guess is that the system would be incredibly similar. You are harping on this point because you think you have a gotchya moment, were you can call the other side racist.

But generally, it's not a bad policy to give minorities who have traditionally had a hard time in society a second glance. The issue, in reality, is a lack of empathy from the right, which assumes through their policy that poverty is primarily due to personal choices. I don't expect someone who has grown up affluent to understand what it's like to grow up through poverty. But these are the people who are usually making these policy decisions.

Similar sure, and an income-based policy would still benefit mostly blacks and hispanics over whites and asians, but the most important part is that it would not penalize poor asians and give advantages to rich hispanics.

If you favor a race-based admissions process over an income-based admissions process, please explain why Malia Obama deserves to get an advantage over a poor asian kid.
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_RETS_
07/03/18 2:28:23 PM
#84:


FrisbeeDude posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...


Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them
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Unknown5uspect
07/03/18 2:28:23 PM
#85:


emblem boy posted...
Piersons_Fox posted...
Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race?



Ehh, this is about being admitted to the schools. Not about passing and graduating. So not sure how your post makes sense

Because obviously affirmative action means free As your entire University enrollment. Common knowledge.
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COVxy
07/03/18 2:29:22 PM
#86:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
COVxy posted...
Not really, my guess is that the system would be incredibly similar. You are harping on this point because you think you have a gotchya moment, were you can call the other side racist.

But generally, it's not a bad policy to give minorities who have traditionally had a hard time in society a second glance. The issue, in reality, is a lack of empathy from the right, which assumes through their policy that poverty is primarily due to personal choices. I don't expect someone who has grown up affluent to understand what it's like to grow up through poverty. But these are the people who are usually making these policy decisions.

Similar sure, and an income-based policy would still benefit mostly blacks and hispanics over whites and asians, but the most important part is that it would not penalize poor asians and give advantages to rich hispanics.

If you favor a race-based admissions process over an income-based admissions process, please explain why Malia Obama deserves to get an advantage over a poor asian kid.


How often do you think this is the case where it isn't highlighted in the person's application? I say this as a white kid who grew up poor and found my way into a university that was above my resume due to these factors.
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Samurontai
07/03/18 2:29:37 PM
#87:


s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.

Better? Because you're still wrong.


No because your reading comprehension is beyond horrible

Im not talking about racist admission policies Im talking about distinct advantages that white people have over minorities.. like I stated literally a few minutes ago
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:29:47 PM
#88:


_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...


Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Qualifications dont fucking matter. Skin tone, money, and connections are what matters to the shits in power.
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BWLurker
07/03/18 2:30:12 PM
#89:


Peter_Giffyndor posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Schwarber posted...
The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.


Why is getting rid of this bad?


Something something 45, something something impotent libcuck rage.

Who fucking cares what they think honestly, I stopped trying to keep up with the mental gymnastics these lunatics perform to make everything he does the worst thing ever.

You realize you're a hypocrite, right? Not only are you doing constant mental gymnastics to make everything Trump does good, but you call people who disagree with you "libcucks" and don't listen to their side. Even people who aren't liberal.
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_RETS_
07/03/18 2:30:55 PM
#90:


Blue_Inigo posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...


Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Qualifications dont fucking matter. Skin tone, money, and connections are what matters to the shits in power.


Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. Not race or anything else. I don't even know the point of your comment.
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s0nicfan
07/03/18 2:31:22 PM
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Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.

Better? Because you're still wrong.


No because your reading comprehension is beyond horrible

Im not talking about racist admission policies Im talking about distinct advantages that white people have over minorities.. like I stated literally a few minutes ago


And the world isn't a giant scale where you intentionally bias one thing because of an injustice in another. There isn't some hidden RPG point pool behind every person that we should try to evenly distribute. The prison system and the judicial system needs reform. YOU DON'T FIX THAT BY CREATING RACIST COLLEGE ADMISSIONS POLICIES. Full stop.
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darkjedilink
07/03/18 2:32:18 PM
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Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?
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Blue_Inigo
07/03/18 2:32:18 PM
#93:


_RETS_ posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
_RETS_ posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.


Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.


Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...


Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Qualifications dont fucking matter. Skin tone, money, and connections are what matters to the shits in power.


Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. Not race or anything else. I don't even know the point of your comment.

The point is, QUALIFICATIONS DONT AND WILL NEVER MATTER.

Thats not how the world works
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:33:41 PM
#94:


COVxy posted...
How often do you think this is the case where it isn't highlighted in the person's application? I say this as a white kid who grew up poor and found my way into a university that was above my resume due to these factors.

You want to try that first sentence one more time?

Blue_Inigo posted...
The point is, QUALIFICATIONS DONT AND WILL NEVER MATTER.

Spoken like a true marxist.
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COVxy
07/03/18 2:33:41 PM
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_RETS_ posted...
Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.


We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.
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Capn Circus
07/03/18 2:33:42 PM
#96:


Please stop it Trump! I can't take the winning!
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Samurontai
07/03/18 2:33:59 PM
#97:


s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Samurontai posted...
-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s


Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.


Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of


You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.

Better? Because you're still wrong.


No because your reading comprehension is beyond horrible

Im not talking about racist admission policies Im talking about distinct advantages that white people have over minorities.. like I stated literally a few minutes ago


And the world isn't a giant scale where you intentionally bias one thing because of an injustice in another. There isn't some hidden RPG point pool behind every person that we should try to evenly distribute. The prison system and the judicial system needs reform. YOU DON'T FIX THAT BY CREATING RACIST COLLEGE ADMISSIONS POLICIES. Full stop.


Im not talking about racist college admission policies, Im talking about something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Full stop. For the third time now

My post has nothing to do with affirmative action and everything to do with what another poster said (which also wasnt about affirmative action in particular).
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FrisbeeDude
07/03/18 2:34:04 PM
#98:


darkjedilink posted...
Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?


why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged?
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COVxy
07/03/18 2:34:39 PM
#99:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
You want to try that first sentence one more time?


Not the most elegant sentence, but proper and readable.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 2:34:45 PM
#100:


FrisbeeDude posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?


why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged?

Asians and indians are both disadvantaged more than white people in AA
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