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Schwarber 07/03/18 1:33:32 PM #1:	WASHINGTONThe Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans. The move comes as the Justice Department is investigating whether Harvard University is illegally discriminating against Asian-American students by holding them to a higher standard in its admissions process. The administration revived the probe last year after Obama civil rights officials dismissed a similar complaint. The guidelines, issued jointly by the Obama Justice and Education departments, laid out legal recommendations for schools looking to use race as an admissions factor to boost diversity at their schools. Trump administration officials plan to argue that the documents, published in 2011 and 2016, go beyond Supreme Court precedent on the issue and mislead schools to believe that legal forms of affirmative action are simpler to achieve than what the law allows. Anurima Bargava, who headed civil rights enforcement in schools under Mr. Obamas Justice Department, disagreed with that assessment, saying the documents simply offered guidelines to schools and colleges looking to continue using affirmative action legally. She said the current administrations action signals that it doesnt favor racial diversity. The law on this hasnt changed, and the Supreme Court has twice ruled reaffirming the importance of diversity, she said. This is a purely political attack that benefits nobody. Administration officials didnt immediately respond to requests for comment. The move comes as a lawsuit is unfolding in federal court against Harvard, in which the Justice Department has previously filed a so-called statement of interest. The suit, filed in 2014 by a group called Students for Fair Admissions, alleges Harvard intentionally discriminates against Asian-Americans by limiting the number of Asian students who are admitted. It is expected to go to trial in October. The action to rescind the Obama-era guidelines is likely to escalate a long-running national debate over the role of race in college admissions, an issue the U.S. Supreme Court has revisited on several occasions since the 1970s. In 2016, the high court reaffirmed the practice in a 4-3 decision, but in his opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy left the door open to future legal challenges by saying universities must continue to review their affirmative-action policies to assess their positive and negative effects. Mr. Kennedy has since announced his retirement, and advocates on both sides say his successor, to be nominated soon by President Donald Trump, may take a different view on the practice as the Harvard case wends its way through the courts. Harvard has previously said its admissions process is consistent with the legal precedents set over the past 40 years by the Supreme Court, which have allowed universities to consider race as a factor in admissions to obtain the benefits of a diverse student body. But the plaintiffs suing Harvard said in court filings the school displayed a stunning failure to take the elementary steps required by the law to achieve diversity without taking race into account, such as considering applicants socioeconomic backgrounds, eliminating early admissions and increasing community college transfers. In court filings published last month as part of its continuing litigation, the university revealed that Asian-American applicants on average had higher academic marks and received higher scores from alumni interviews than other racial groups. But on a personal score that admissions officers used to gauge applicants character, Asian students scored the lowest. https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-rescind-obama-era-guidelines-on-race-in-college-admissions-1530619273 That's lame. Also rump. --- https://imgur.com/iQXgYOx https://imgur.com/l3frhSF https://imgur.com/HM1Hjby https://imgur.com/bvsFH0H - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:904423426] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><quote>WASHINGTONThe Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans. The move comes as the Justice Department is investigating whether Harvard University is illegally discriminating against Asian-American students by holding them to a higher standard in its admissions process. The administration revived the probe last year after Obama civil rights officials dismissed a similar complaint. The guidelines, issued jointly by the Obama Justice and Education departments, laid out legal recommendations for schools looking to use race as an admissions factor to boost diversity at their schools. Trump administration officials plan to argue that the documents, published in 2011 and 2016, go beyond Supreme Court precedent on the issue and mislead schools to believe that legal forms of affirmative action are simpler to achieve than what the law allows. Anurima Bargava, who headed civil rights enforcement in schools under Mr. Obamas Justice Department, disagreed with that assessment, saying the documents simply offered guidelines to schools and colleges looking to continue using affirmative action legally. She said the current administrations action signals that it doesnt favor racial diversity. The law on this hasnt changed, and the Supreme Court has twice ruled reaffirming the importance of diversity, she said. This is a purely political attack that benefits nobody. Administration officials didnt immediately respond to requests for comment. The move comes as a lawsuit is unfolding in federal court against Harvard, in which the Justice Department has previously filed a so-called statement of interest. The suit, filed in 2014 by a group called Students for Fair Admissions, alleges Harvard intentionally discriminates against Asian-Americans by limiting the number of Asian students who are admitted. It is expected to go to trial in October. The action to rescind the Obama-era guidelines is likely to escalate a long-running national debate over the role of race in college admissions, an issue the U.S. Supreme Court has revisited on several occasions since the 1970s. In 2016, the high court reaffirmed the practice in a 4-3 decision, but in his opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy left the door open to future legal challenges by saying universities must continue to review their affirmative-action policies to assess their positive and negative effects. Mr. Kennedy has since announced his retirement, and advocates on both sides say his successor, to be nominated soon by President Donald Trump, may take a different view on the practice as the Harvard case wends its way through the courts. Harvard has previously said its admissions process is consistent with the legal precedents set over the past 40 years by the Supreme Court, which have allowed universities to consider race as a factor in admissions to obtain the benefits of a diverse student body. But the plaintiffs suing Harvard said in court filings the school displayed a stunning failure to take the elementary steps required by the law to achieve diversity without taking race into account, such as considering applicants socioeconomic backgrounds, eliminating early admissions and increasing community college transfers. In court filings published last month as part of its continuing litigation, the university revealed that Asian-American applicants on average had higher academic marks and received higher scores from alumni interviews than other racial groups. But on a personal score that admissions officers used to gauge applicants character, Asian students scored the lowest.</quote> https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-rescind-obama-era-guidelines-on-race-in-college-admissions-1530619273 That's lame. Also rump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/03/18 1:34:37 PM #2:	Schwarber posted... The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans. Why is getting rid of this bad? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904423493] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Schwarber posted...</cite> <quote>The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.</quote> Why is getting rid of this bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Piersons_Fox 07/03/18 1:36:46 PM #3:	Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? --- .../\_/\ ...\./ <cite>Piersons_Fox posted [p:904423620] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 07/03/18 1:39:43 PM #5:	Only backwater people would think this is a negative thing --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:904423771] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Only backwater people would think this is a negative thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Krave_ 07/03/18 1:40:17 PM #6:	Good. Edcuation should be attainable by those who work hard. --- Am I seducing or being seduced? <cite>_Krave_ posted [p:904423791] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Good. Edcuation should be attainable by those who work hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 07/03/18 1:43:23 PM #7:	scorpion41 posted... Only backwater people would think this is a negative thing You approve of racially discriminating? --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:904423957] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Only backwater people would think this is a negative thing</quote> You approve of racially discriminating?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 07/03/18 1:43:56 PM #8:	Excellent news --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:904423986] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Excellent news</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 07/03/18 1:44:45 PM #9:	What exactly are these guidelines? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:904424024] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>What exactly are these guidelines?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 07/03/18 1:45:06 PM #10:	Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:904424037] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 07/03/18 1:45:35 PM #11:	Piersons_Fox posted... Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? Mind Blown --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:904424059] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote>Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? </quote> Mind Blown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/03/18 1:46:54 PM #12:	So Asian-Americans get the admission into colleges they deserve to be in more likely? --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, https://imgur.com/a/JTCCy JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:904424132] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>So Asian-Americans get the admission into colleges they deserve to be in more likely?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/03/18 1:49:34 PM #13:	Samurontai posted... Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common So explain why this is a bad thing. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904424262] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common</quote> So explain why this is a bad thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 1:51:08 PM #14:	So Trump wants to do away with racial discrimination. Why is this a bad thing --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904424355] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>So Trump wants to do away with racial discrimination. Why is this a bad thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 07/03/18 1:53:07 PM #15:	Piersons_Fox posted... Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? Ehh, this is about being admitted to the schools. Not about passing and graduating. So not sure how your post makes sense --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:904424465] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote>Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? </quote> Ehh, this is about being admitted to the schools. Not about passing and graduating. So not sure how your post makes sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 1:54:03 PM #16:	emblem boy posted... Piersons_Fox posted... Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? Ehh, this is about being admitted to the schools. Not about passing and graduating. So not sure how your post makes sense Kinda hard to graduate from a college when you don't get admitted in the first place. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904424517] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote>Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? </quote> Ehh, this is about being admitted to the schools. Not about passing and graduating. So not sure how your post makes sense</quote> Kinda hard to graduate from a college when you don't get admitted in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 07/03/18 1:54:41 PM #17:	s0nicfan posted... Samurontai posted... Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common So explain why this is a bad thing. Im just making an observation --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:904424550] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common</quote> So explain why this is a bad thing.</quote> Im just making an observation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 07/03/18 1:55:01 PM #18:	Just more white supremacy from the nazi ass kissers --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:904424567] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Just more white supremacy from the nazi ass kissers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 1:55:22 PM #19:	Samurontai posted... s0nicfan posted... Samurontai posted... Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common So explain why this is a bad thing. Im just making an observation That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904424586] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common</quote> So explain why this is a bad thing.</quote> Im just making an observation</quote> That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 1:56:51 PM #20:	Why is this a bad rollback? College, like jobs, should be based on merit. Not diversity quotas and political agendas. If a white dude is less qualified than a black dude, he can work harder or fuck off. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904424671] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Why is this a bad rollback? College, like jobs, should be based on merit. Not diversity quotas and political agendas. If a white dude is less qualified than a black dude, he can work harder or fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 1:57:13 PM #21:	Sephiroth1288 posted... That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination". --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904424688] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? </quote> Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/03/18 1:58:13 PM #22:	It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:904424745] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 07/03/18 1:58:30 PM #23:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Samurontai posted... s0nicfan posted... Samurontai posted... Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common So explain why this is a bad thing. Im just making an observation That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Nope, that shit posters are swarming to this topic like flies to poop --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:904424762] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone please take not of the posters who are saying this is a good thing itt Youll notice that they all have something in common</quote> So explain why this is a bad thing.</quote> Im just making an observation</quote> That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does?</quote> Nope, that shit posters are swarming to this topic like flies to poop</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 1:58:42 PM #24:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination". It's far more anti-asian than it is anti-white. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904424774] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? </quote> Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".</quote> It's far more anti-asian than it is anti-white.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 07/03/18 1:58:48 PM #25:	This sounds like a continuation of that topic that showed the applicants acceptance rates by race and ignored the amount of applicants that actually applied. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:904424778] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>This sounds like a continuation of that topic that showed the applicants acceptance rates by race and ignored the amount of applicants that actually applied.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 07/03/18 1:58:58 PM #26:	cjsdowg posted... It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages. Thats because brown people scare them --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:904424786] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.</quote> Thats because brown people scare them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 1:59:15 PM #27:	cjsdowg posted... It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages. Such as? <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904424804] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.</quote> Such as?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 07/03/18 1:59:38 PM #28:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination". Difference is that one is perceived(racism against minorities) and one is a literal policy(using race to select minority students over whites). --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:904424824] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? </quote> Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".</quote> Difference is that one is perceived(racism against minorities) and one is a literal policy(using race to select minority students over whites).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeLikeItHoth 07/03/18 2:00:17 PM #29:	Spooking posted... Good news. Great* --- THE FAM 2018 <cite>SomeLikeItHoth posted [p:904424855] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Good news.</quote> Great*</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:01:35 PM #30:	s0nicfan posted... Schwarber posted... The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans. Why is getting rid of this bad? because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904424924] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Schwarber posted...</cite> <quote>The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.</quote> Why is getting rid of this bad?</quote> because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:01:53 PM #31:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination". Asians are the ethnicity most discriminated against in affirmative action...not white people https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-affirmative-action-and-asian-americans Please explain why its ok for an asian kid to have to work harder than everyone else to go to the same college, @COVxy --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904424934] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? </quote> Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".</quote> Asians are the ethnicity most discriminated against in affirmative action...not white people https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-affirmative-action-and-asian-americans Please explain why its ok for an asian kid to have to work harder than everyone else to go to the same college, @COVxy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/03/18 2:02:14 PM #32:	Damn, something I can like Trump for.... --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:904424950] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Damn, something I can like Trump for....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:02:27 PM #33:	FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904424971] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:02:28 PM #34:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination". BIG FACTS --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904424974] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does? </quote> Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".</quote> BIG FACTS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/03/18 2:03:01 PM #35:	Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904424999] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 2:05:00 PM #36:	FrisbeeDude posted... s0nicfan posted... Schwarber posted... The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans. Why is getting rid of this bad? because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why It isn't about financial status. It's specifically about race yes? How is a rich black kid a "have not" and a poor white kid a "have"? Race shouldn't be an issue. Individual merit should. That this even has to be argued is insane. If it happens that all the most qualified are black or hispanic or whatever instead of white, that's great. As long as those who deserve to be there are there regardless of race. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904425103] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Schwarber posted...</cite> <quote>The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.</quote> Why is getting rid of this bad?</quote> because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> It isn't about financial status. It's specifically about race yes? How is a rich black kid a "have not" and a poor white kid a "have"? Race shouldn't be an issue. Individual merit should. That this even has to be argued is insane. If it happens that all the most qualified are black or hispanic or whatever instead of white, that's great. As long as those who deserve to be there are there regardless of race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:05:03 PM #37:	BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904425106] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/03/18 2:05:56 PM #38:	About damn time --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904425146] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>About damn time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/03/18 2:05:58 PM #39:	Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed? <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904425148] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/03/18 2:06:48 PM #40:	_RETS_ posted... cjsdowg posted... It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages. Such as? http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/ --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:904425187] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.</quote> Such as?</quote> http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:06:49 PM #41:	BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed? Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904425189] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?</quote> Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:07:00 PM #42:	Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races has there ever been a study done on the so called epidemic of rich black kids taking advantage of the system to the detriment of the poor white applicant? --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904425198] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> has there ever been a study done on the so called epidemic of rich black kids taking advantage of the system to the detriment of the poor white applicant?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/03/18 2:08:18 PM #43:	Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed? Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:904425266] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?</quote> Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal.</quote> A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:09:21 PM #44:	cjsdowg posted... _RETS_ posted... cjsdowg posted... It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages. Such as? http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/ Who are these mediocre white students getting into institutions such as Harvard, Wellesley, Notre Dame, Duke, and the University of Virginia? A sizable number are recruited athletes who, research has shown, will perform worse on average than other students with similar academic profiles, mainly as a result of the demands their coaches will place on them. A larger share, however, are students who gained admission through their ties to people the institution wanted to keep happy, with alumni, donors, faculty members, administrators, and politicians topping the list. Applicants who stood no chance of gaining admission without connections are only the most blatant beneficiaries of such admissions preferences. Except perhaps at the very summit of the applicant pile - that lofty place occupied by young people too brilliant for anyone in their right mind to turn down - colleges routinely favor those who have connections over those who don't. While some applicants gain admission by legitimately beating out their peers, many others get into exclusive colleges the same way people get into trendy night clubs, by knowing the management or flashing cash at the person manning the velvet rope. So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904425321] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.</quote> Such as?</quote> http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/28/at_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/</quote> <quote>Who are these mediocre white students getting into institutions such as Harvard, Wellesley, Notre Dame, Duke, and the University of Virginia? A sizable number are recruited athletes who, research has shown, will perform worse on average than other students with similar academic profiles, mainly as a result of the demands their coaches will place on them. A larger share, however, are students who gained admission through their ties to people the institution wanted to keep happy, with alumni, donors, faculty members, administrators, and politicians topping the list. Applicants who stood no chance of gaining admission without connections are only the most blatant beneficiaries of such admissions preferences. Except perhaps at the very summit of the applicant pile - that lofty place occupied by young people too brilliant for anyone in their right mind to turn down - colleges routinely favor those who have connections over those who don't. While some applicants gain admission by legitimately beating out their peers, many others get into exclusive colleges the same way people get into trendy night clubs, by knowing the management or flashing cash at the person manning the velvet rope.</quote> So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:10:06 PM #45:	I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed. --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904425357] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/03/18 2:10:34 PM #46:	Sephiroth1288 posted... So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race In case you missed it since we posted at the same time.. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:904425377] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race</quote> In case you missed it since we posted at the same time.. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/03/18 2:11:10 PM #47:	cjsdowg posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race In case you missed it since we posted at the same time.. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY. Sauce? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:904425410] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> So it's not advantages for white people, it's advantages for being rich and schools placing too much value on college sports, regardless of your race. Ok so again why not just give precedence to kids from poor families rather than base it on race</quote> In case you missed it since we posted at the same time.. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.</quote> Sauce?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/03/18 2:11:16 PM #48:	cjsdowg posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed? Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY. Is this because of racism or simply because there are more white applicants by virtue of being majority? I don't believe that given a choice between a drop out and a college grad that an employer would risk the profitability of a company to pick the white guy. Is it possible you're looking at overall statistics and extrapolating results that aren't there? <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904425414] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?</quote> Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal.</quote> A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.</quote> Is this because of racism or simply because there are more white applicants by virtue of being majority? I don't believe that given a choice between a drop out and a college grad that an employer would risk the profitability of a company to pick the white guy. Is it possible you're looking at overall statistics and extrapolating results that aren't there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/03/18 2:11:39 PM #49:	FrisbeeDude posted... I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed. It is de facto racism.. that just so happens to help white people so they act like it is just happenstance and not the way the system was made. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:904425436] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.</quote> It is de facto racism.. that just so happens to help white people so they act like it is just happenstance and not the way the system was made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 2:11:58 PM #50:	cjsdowg posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why So why not base admissions on family income instead of race Why not? That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed? Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal. A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY. Even if that is backed by legitimate stats, it is a social thing, not an institutional thing. There is nothing mandating that to be the case, like there is in colleges. Race shouldn't be included on job applications either. Interview anyone who seems to fit, and make your judgment based on that. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904425445] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why </quote> So why not base admissions on family income instead of race</quote> Why not?</quote> That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races</quote> I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?</quote> Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal.</quote> A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college. A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even. YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.</quote> Even if that is backed by legitimate stats, it is a social thing, not an institutional thing. There is nothing mandating that to be the case, like there is in colleges. Race shouldn't be included on job applications either. Interview anyone who seems to fit, and make your judgment based on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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