Board 8 > Star Wars spinoffs apparently put on hold

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Marvel movies do well with their release schedule because each one offers something different

I mean I will say that I do more or less agree with Cly here and agree with him that this aspect is a lot more important than the heavy continuity btw

I'm just thinking he's downplaying the relevance of the franchise a lot more than he really should. People aren't watching Winter Soldier just because they want to see a good spy movie.
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Yeah, I'd agree uniqueness is a bigger thing than continuity

I was simply arguing continuity makes people interested in movies like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and so on when they might not have been without it, whereas there's none of that whatsoever for Solo
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redrocket posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

I mean we act like Solo bombed but it's still one of the highest grossing films of all time. It just cost like $500 million to make. Just decrease the budgets for the spin offs and they'll do fine.

Um, no.

This post is not even in the same ballpark as the truth.

As of now the movie has grossed 343 million. Worldwide. This is a disaster at half the budget.

This still puts it in the top 300 grossing movies of all time:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/all-time+worldwide+box+office/

Most films, even big budget ones, do not cost $600 million to make and market. Cut that budget in half by not reshooting 90% of the movie and this is suddenly profitable.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

redrocket posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

I mean we act like Solo bombed but it's still one of the highest grossing films of all time. It just cost like $500 million to make. Just decrease the budgets for the spin offs and they'll do fine.

Um, no.

This post is not even in the same ballpark as the truth.

As of now the movie has grossed 343 million. Worldwide. This is a disaster at half the budget.

This still puts it in the top 300 grossing movies of all time:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/all-time+worldwide+box+office/

Most films, even big budget ones, do not cost $600 million to make and market. Cut that budget in half by not reshooting 90% of the movie and this is suddenly profitable.

No it's not, because you gotta include marketing and half of ticket sales going to theaters.
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Solo had marketing?
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Thank Godddddddd.

Money talks. Stop whoring the franchise. Take the time, get the passion back.

Or you know, spend 71 billion dollars getting Wolverine back.
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But yeah seriously Sephs is right unless you're splitting hairs and saying "half" is wrong he's generally correct on the idea.

343 million should be very profitable. Most movies, even the relatively bigger budget ones, would consider 343 million a huge success. Unless you're arguing people only go to see Star Wars movies because of the outlandish budgets. It's only really a flop relative to other Star Wars movies. Because it's topical, Ant-Man's budget was like $130 million and it made about as much as Solo domestically and it was considered a huge success. Now it made more on foreign ticket sales than Solo will, but even with Solo's figures it would be a success. And $130 million is not a cheap movie budget by any means.
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Ant-Man made over $500 million. Even if you cut Solo's budget to $130 million (which is fairly cheap for a tentpole blockbuster), $340 million would barely break even.

Also, Ant-Man was not some raging success for Marvel/Disney. It was ok.
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Also there's zero evidence of this mythical $500 million budget so $130 million would be close to half of its actual budget.
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If 343 million was considered a flop for many movies at all, even limiting to higher budget ones, the film industry would be long bankrupt by now. That's really all there is to it. If you want to be petty about figures and argue that spending was not the primary culprit in why a movie that was close to a top 200 all time grossing domestic film was a bust be my guest.
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For the record on Black Panther, lightning struck because of a phenomenally poor box office schedule following its release, and a social agenda that saw many people attend for non-fandom reasons. While the latter may still be pervasive at the time of the next release, the first may not. I still think a second film cracks 500 million; that's a guarantee at this point.
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i mean yeah, solo would be a huge success if it were a small indie movie but that's not really what we expect from star wars, is it?

of course the budget could have been smaller without all the behind the scenes lord & miller/howard drama, but i'm not sure it could have been that much smaller.
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Worldwide numbers are much less relevant than domestic numbers, and Solo will still make a decent chunk of money from the home market and merchandising. I think it's been said that Disney will end up losing $50 million on the movie when it's all said and done? So yeah, losing that $100 million of reshoots would've been enough to make the movie profitable.
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Lopen posted...

If 343 million was considered a flop for many movies at all, even limiting to higher budget ones, the film industry would be long bankrupt by now.

I mean outside of Disney, most studios are struggling.
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"Just sort of making a modest profit" would still be an absolute bomb by Star Wars standards. You can't judge Star Wars by normal movie standards, not even blockbuster standards. Especially considering the literal billions of dollars Disney paid just for the rights to the franchise. They are absolutely expecting nine figure profits off every movie in order to justify their initial investment.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Also, I think it's dishonest a bit to say none of Ant-Man mattered for Civil War.

It sets up how he has any contact with the Avengers whatsoever/why Falcon knows of him, and it makes the Giant Man reveal notable because of the fact that he spends the entire movie only being able to go small.

I just wanna confirm that everything listed here is basically irrelevent
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redrocket posted...

"Just sort of making a modest profit" would still be an absolute bomb by Star Wars standards. You can't judge Star Wars by normal movie standards, not even blockbuster standards. Especially considering the literal billions of dollars Disney paid just for the rights to the franchise. They are absolutely expecting nine figure profits off every movie in order to justify their initial investment.

With the merchandising they've already made enough to justify their initial investment.
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I'm glad this is a topic during the freakishly awful "Remake The Last Jedi" trend on Twitter.
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I hope they do remake The Last Jedi instead of finishing the Trilogy because I think that might mercifully kill off the franchise for another 15 years.
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Eddv posted...

I hope they do remake The Last Jedi instead of finishing the Trilogy because I think that might mercifully kill off the franchise for another 15 years.

Please stop. If you don't like Star Wars, just don't post in threads about it. This board already has too much negativity (although when I turn off the politics tag, it mostly goes away).
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if Eddv couldn't be excessively negative he'd never post
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I begrudgingly accept Star wars the same way I do donald trump so I guess thats an apt comparison.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I was simply arguing continuity makes people interested in movies like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and so on when they might not have been without it, whereas there's none of that whatsoever for Solo

As someone who doesn't watch a lot of movies, heavy continuity is kind of a turnoff. Like I was interested in Infinity War because everyone's talking about it. But then I see lists of "Here are the essential 10 movies you should see before Infinity War" and it's like "ehh...maybe not then."

Just in terms of continuity, Solo is more appealing because I could walk in and watch it no context required (besides the OT).
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there's no "essential movies" you need to see before infinity war. you can follow the story just fine if you haven't seen anything before it.
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Yeah MCU is actually really good about building the movies in a way where you can just dive into any one of them

But at the same time, the movies are generally quality and seeing previous ones definitely adds to seeing the later ones, so it's more a case of why not watch most of the other movies first?
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Yeah, you can just watch the MCU movies and enjoy them as they are. Your experience is definitely enhanced by seeing the others though.
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oh okay, nifty

I guess I overestimated it -- I feel like people are usually like "here are the ones you must watch, these others are also good but not essential, don't watch thor 2"
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Solo failed because Harrison Ford basically IS Han Solo. Nobody's going to live up to the guy who practically embodies the archetype. Whoever they chose was going to be set up for failure.

Also because the fanbase forgot what it's like to enjoy a Star Wars film instead of bitching about what they didn't get.
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Well, if you want to totally understand everything and follow all the plotlines, then yeah, there are ones you should watch first.

But the MCU movies generally stand well on their own, too, because the characters are likable and the action is good.
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If you want the Lopen approved super abridged viewing list, Drakeryn

Watch Avengers 1
Watch Winter Soldier
Watch Civil War
Watch Guardians of the Galaxy
Watch Infinity War

I would say those 5 are not only among the most important for continuity and getting the references and whatnot but also contain the majority of the top 5 movies for most people. I'm sure you have some people who like Thor Ragnarok or Black Panther or Iron Man or whatever more than one of these, but yeah.

Again this is all optional but like I said it's kinda like "why not watch these first" because I think anyone who likes the MCU even a little bit enjoys all 5 of those movies.

Like almost all the movies are fine and are good watches if you have extra time but this is definitely the most efficient route imo. (and imo most of them are better than Infinity War so the journey is worth it just for the journey in this case)
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Gatarix posted...

oh okay, nifty

I guess I overestimated it -- I feel like people are usually like "here are the ones you must watch, these others are also good but not essential, don't watch thor 2"

They do say that; mainly because theyre nerds like SEP who apparently thinks 'ant man has a suit that changes size' is an essential plot point that needs showcased in its own 2 hour movie to be understood
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So I watched Infinity War with no other experience other than the two GotGs

I think the only movie that would have helped me follow the plot was Avengers 2 so I could know who Vision and Scarlet Witch are, because they receive probably the least explanation of any of the unfamiliar characters in the movie

Everything else I basically understood just because everyone knows who the characters are, or the characters aren't important enough to matter (I didn't know who all the Captain America related people are but I don't care)

I don't think you need to see Civil War so much as you just need to know it happened and that's good enough

Most of the characters or plots I didn't know about I either already knew about vaguely enough to get the idea, or they were presented briefly enough that I got the idea.

I think a list of like Avengers -> GotG -> Avengers 2 is good enough to catch anyone up probably!

Paratroopa1 posted...

I think a list of like Avengers -> GotG -> Avengers 2 is good enough to catch anyone up probably!

Strictly speaking I agree with this but I kinda think Civil War introduces Scarlet Witch and Vision well enough and it's a much better movie.

Basically my list is just doing that but subbing Winter Soldier + Civil War for Avengers 2
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Lopen posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

I think a list of like Avengers -> GotG -> Avengers 2 is good enough to catch anyone up probably!

Strictly speaking I agree with this but I kinda think Civil War introduces Scarlet Witch and Vision well enough and it's a much better movie.

Basically my list is just doing that but subbing Winter Soldier + Civil War for Avengers 2

Ah okay, that makes sense

I was just basing my list off the fact that that was the only part of Infinity War where I was like "I don't understand what's going on right now and I wish I knew who these people were"

Oh I was slightly confused by the very beginning part in Asgard as well but I think Avengers 1 is probably enough

other than that I'm not even really sure you need to watch Avengers 1 to be caught up but it's probably not a bad idea to get a baseline for the most important characters

That's kinda why I also think GotG should be watched since that introduces a large portion of the cast and they get more of a character arc in IW than anyone else does aside from maybe Vision/SW

Yeah I mostly picked the movies that give you the most character familiarity in the most condensed time with the best movies. I basically think that's all that's necessary too.

Well Winter Soldier is necessary for Civil War to work that's the only reason that one is needed but it's a great movie too so as said it's "why not"
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Anagram posted...

I think with Marvel its also that its a proven brand with no atrocious movies

Vanko and his bird beg to differ
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NFUN posted...

Anagram posted...

I think with Marvel its also that its a proven brand with no atrocious movies

Vanko and his bird beg to differ

Iron Man 2 is certainly the worst movie in the franchise, but it's not like Batman vs Superman bad.
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so uh, turns out this was all bullshit.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/multiple-films-star-wars-pipeline-sources/story?id=56057987
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I just personally felt like casual audiences would be confused by a new Star Wars film out so soon, especially one seemingly as irrelevant as Solo.

Plus many new Star Wars fans probably won't care so much to see a Han Solo film.
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When's the Jar Jar spinoff coming out?
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I just personally felt like casual audiences would be confused by a new Star Wars film out so soon, especially one seemingly as irrelevant as Solo.

Plus many new Star Wars fans probably won't care so much to see a Han Solo film.

Well the two so far haven't really expanded the universe at all, they just filled out space in the backstory that no one really cared about except the hardcorest of fans.
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Anagram topic is complete bullshit, news at 11
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Anagram topic is complete bullshit, news at 11

i won't blame anagram for this, actually - this news initially came from collider, which is generally a good source for movie news. i'm pretty surprised they totally blew it on this one.
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Man, plenty of people reported on this, whatever.
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It's possible that both news reports were accurate at the time

Companies are fickle news at 11
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