Current Events > God, the Arkham games have one of the best combat systems in gaming.

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's one of those games that truly make you feel like a badass when you get into the groove master everything.
After a certain point, the difficulty isn't even about staying alive, but rather, how long you can maintain those flashy combos when you're fighting a bunch of dudes.

I'm tempted to hook up my PS3 and fire Arkham City up.
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There's nothing like starting a combat scenario by diving in with a flying dropkick
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Oh a-hell a-yeaaaaah!!!
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

There's nothing like starting a combat scenario by diving in with a flying dropkick

I usually do grappling hook.
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I take it you never played DMC.
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It's the freakin' Bat!

I love Arkham City so much. I've put over a hundred hours into the challenge maps alone, most of which weren't even with Batman but Nightwing or Catwoman.
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I never did play Arkham Knight >_>
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You can literally beat 99% of encounters by mashing the counter button.
The combat is one of the worst parts of the games.
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Agreed.
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Kitt posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

There's nothing like starting a combat scenario by diving in with a flying dropkick

I usually do grappling hook.

The best is when you finish a fight with quick-grapple->punch and the resulting clothesline is in slow motion.
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Squall28 posted...

I take it you never played DMC.

Eh. I've played the first one and the fourth one. I was never crazy about DMC.

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's the freakin' Bat!

I love Arkham City so much. I've put over a hundred hours into the challenge maps alone, most of which weren't even with Batman but Nightwing or Catwoman.

Dude, I aced all the free-flow combat challenges with all the characters. How can something be so fun, frustrating and satisfying all at once?

SSJGrimReaper posted...

I never did play Arkham Knight >_>

I really like Arkham Knight more than most people but in terms of the free-flow combat (the main reason I love these games), I prefer Arkham City over Knight. The characters feel lighter in City to me and I like that more.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

You can literally beat 99% of encounters by mashing the counter button.
The combat is one of the worst parts of the games.

Nah. That's the best part; it have great accessibility in its combat system!
If you're not some try-hard like me and you're here to enjoy the ride, looking for a good time with straight forward action, you can play that way! Just strikes and parries and other stuff when you need to.

But if you want to go in and start doing flashy shit and learning how to use everything to their full strengths, trying to go for high scores and shit, you can do that too! It's very flexible.
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City's combat and stealth is more balanced than Knight, although Knight's gameplay in those areas is probably better on a technical level.
I also liked the Batmobile in most levels, and I don't think another Batman game could ever replicate or surpass the geeky joy of divebombing off a skyscraper while the camera pans to reveal the Batmobile roaring down the street to catch you.

I wasn't really disappointed with Knight but my expectations were super duper high (got the collector's edition statue on my shelf as testament), and I never 100% it despite doing so with Asylum and City multiple times each.

Godnorgosh posted...

The crowds in those games are very polite, with goons only attacking you one at a time and waiting their turn. Good sportsmanship.

Well yeah, the two or three-mook counter usually results in one of them being used as a weapon against the others.
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As cool as it was to drive around in the Batmobile for a while, it was kind of pointless to use as a means of travel in the open world once you fully upgraded your grappling hook :/
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Hinakuluiau posted...

You can literally beat 99% of encounters by mashing the counter button.
The combat is one of the worst parts of the games.

Nah. Once you start fighting the shield and electric stick guys you need to do more.

It's still easy though yes. The challenge is getting the high score and maintaining your combo.
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Can't kill cyborgs with ninja sword so I don't care.
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I still alternated once I fully upgraded it because I never got tired of the car chases, but I do think the best part of the Batmobile was getting in/out of it at high speed.

I think I liked Knight's story mode more than City's too, at least for certain set pieces. The part where you stealth attack a guy with a bomb strapped to his chest and disarm it in front of his shocked team is good shit, and such a perfect counter-argument to that entire strategy.
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You might also like Mad Max, then. It has a very similar combat system, it just feels more responsive imo.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

You can literally beat 99% of encounters by mashing the counter button.
The combat is one of the worst parts of the games.

No you can't, if you played the game you would know this
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Completely random, but I remember on the first game the final boss glitched out and I got the "get X combo" achievement rofl.
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IHeartRadiation posted...

Can't kill cyborgs with ninja sword so I don't care.

There are regular ninjas with swords. Does that count?
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Stand still
Press counter
Press attack
Repeat

Some enemies have a little variation, but thats the general gist of the combat. Its not bad, but I cant really say its anything spectacular.
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Kitt posted...

IHeartRadiation posted...

Can't kill cyborgs with ninja sword so I don't care.

There are regular ninjas with swords. Does that count?

Mastering the counter-attack in each of these scenarios is actually very close in cool factor so I think it should.

And there's that DLC Wayne Manor combat map where there are like 10 knife guys and awwww shit combo multipliers for days.
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The combat can either be very simple or very complicated. I never get bored.
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

Kitt posted...

IHeartRadiation posted...

Can't kill cyborgs with ninja sword so I don't care.

There are regular ninjas with swords. Does that count?

Mastering the counter-attack in each of these scenarios is actually very close in cool factor so I think it should.

And there's that DLC Wayne Manor combat map where there are like 10 knife guys and awwww shit combo multipliers for days.

Sometimes I don't even bother doing the blade counters because they require such percise timing, especially when you're in the middle of some other animation and then a dude with a knife comes at you. Instead, I just evade them, then do the stun + beatdown.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

You can literally beat 99% of encounters by mashing the counter button.
The combat is one of the worst parts of the games.

Only if you suck.

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Asylum > City > Origins > Batmobile simulator aka Knight

It took a while but I eventually learned that the tutorial for knife counters is a little dishonest. You don't have to tap the button after every strike, just hold the button until the final strike and then you tap once. Makes the ninjas a lot easier.
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I agree, I played the challenges so much on both 360 and PS3. How high up on the leaderboards did you get?
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It's fun but by Knight I was burned out. The great appeal of Arkham to me is the predator rooms which were bloated and boring in Knight too
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Imo I still think ninja gaiden sigma is the peak in action gaming combat systems
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GunmaN1905 posted...

Asylum > City > Origins > Batmobile simulator aka Knight

Yuck.

City > Knight > Asylum > Origins

iLikeMtnDew posted...

I agree, I played the challenges so much on both 360 and PS3. How high up on the leaderboards did you get?

I don't know. I should check that out. I doubt it was anywhere impressive.
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Kitt posted...

Yuck.

City > Knight > Asylum > Origins

Why?

Asylum was amazing because it was basically the first proper superhero game since forever.
Story was great.
City felt like an expansion, not another proper game. It was also great, but I disliked the story twist in the end. Felt recycled.
Origins wasn't even advertised as a new game and I really liked the story/characters.
Knight's gameplay was garbage. I don't want batmobile boss fights.

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"Pay your respects" is one of the best easter eggs out there.

Asylum > City > Knight > Origins
Asylum is the best package, City is the most fun to play and replay, Knight could have had the best gameplay and story but squandered it with a lot of poor decisions, and Origins is good but people overrate the boss fights and story just because the rest of the series is kind of eh on those two fronts. Heart of Ice was the only other exceptional thing about it.
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Godnorgosh posted...

The crowds in those games are very polite, with goons only attacking you one at a time and waiting their turn. Good sportsmanship.

this isnt even true
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Kitt posted...

Knight > Asylum

Knight is the weakest entry dude
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Doe posted...

Kitt posted...

Knight > Asylum

Knight is the weakest entry dude

besides origins tho

City (perfect game) > Asylum (near perfect) > Knight (irredeemable ending) > Origins (meh)
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It fits what it's for perfectly but it's definitely not the best in terms of fun, depth, or longevity. Way too easy to master. And if you get bored of games you can play with no thought needed than it gets boring pretty damn fast
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I heard Origins's multiplayer was also good? Which is actually impressive but I never play multi so idk.

FrenchCrunch posted...

Knight (irredeemable ending)

The final "level" is fantastic and exemplary of what the Arkham dudes always handled best when it came to story (the Batman/Joker relationship).

The final scene is a wet fart though yeah, and the secret ending even more of a fart.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

Kitt posted...

Yuck.

City > Knight > Asylum > Origins

Why?

Asylum was amazing because it was basically the first proper superhero game since forever.
Story was great.
City felt like an expansion, not another proper game. It was also great, but I disliked the story twist in the end. Felt recycled.
Origins wasn't even advertised as a new game and I really liked the story/characters.
Knight's gameplay was garbage. I don't want batmobile boss fights.

Asylum was fine. Oddly enough, I didn't like it when I first played it. It had to grow on me.
City felt like an expansion? That's just crazy. City is one of those games that's a prime example on how to do a sequel right. It was bigger, more polished, and added to the first game as well as it build off of a lot of things that made Asylum work. I really enjoyed the story but the twist at the end was a little meh to me.
Origins was just meh to me. Wasn't bad, wasn't good enough to make me want to finish it. It had some neat ideas though. Never touched the multiplayer, which I assume was trash anyway.
I know people don't like AK but that's just a gross over exaggeration. Knight was really solid game overall and not nearly as bad as people try to make it out to be. My biggest issue with it really is that the shift between it and AC isn't nearly as notable as the shift between AA and AC. Basically AC was such a great game in the series that I couldn't see AK doing too much to improve upon it. They tried though and I had a damn blast with it.
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I've only played Asylum so maybe they improved on it but I found it very button mashy
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Knights ending isn't even the problem. It is polished but the design of its gameplay sucks. Worst predator rooms in the series, Batmobile, etc
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The combo x5 perk is the most op shit. It lets you trash mobs easy
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...until you run into a 'knife guy' who is somehow impervious to everything except counter-prompts.

I love it on hard mode so that the button icons dont show above everyones head.

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Like the ending of the chemical plant, Knight just has several moments I would consider best in the series, but it's all very disjointed and the story has equally dumb/disappointing moments too. I think City+Harley Quinn's Revenge set up a really great thread with Bruce being pushed to his limit, but it doesn't really pay off in Knight I don't think.

Questionmarktarius posted...

...until you run into a 'knife guy' who is somehow impervious to everything except counter-prompts.

Instant takedown bro. Especially in Shock and Awe (Extreme).
Plus in City you can disarm and destroy knives...somehow.
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Really didn't like how Scarecrow was handled in this game.
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