Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 177: Still In Our Mom's Basement

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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

No one said this. You just made up a statement.

This is like trump tweets at trump. Corrik posts at corrik.

Sure. Then show me it since I just said Religious people getting upset of Christmas was a valid eyeroller for liberals.

You are just making stuff up. As usual.

This is my first post in this god forsaken topic. Don't tell me that I'm making stuff up, you complete buffoon.

I'm not even commenting on the idiocy of this conversation. I'm making a joke at your expense. But of course, only trump is ever allowed to make those. My apologies.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

No one said this. You just made up a statement.

This is like trump tweets at trump. Corrik posts at corrik.

Sure. Then show me it since I just said Religious people getting upset of Christmas was a valid eyeroller for liberals.

You are just making stuff up. As usual.

This is my first post in this god forsaken topic. Don't tell me that I'm making stuff up, you complete buffoon.

I'm not even commenting on the idiocy of this conversation. I'm making a joke at your expense. But of course, only trump is ever allowed to make those. My apologies.

You should put joke tags up on your jokes. Lol
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Corrik posted...

I guarrantee a majority of those who voted Republican were over a conservative judge, protecting guns, or due to anti-abortion.

why would anti-abortion people vote for trump? trump was super vague about what he thought about abortion during the campaign, changing his stance multiple times.
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I think you're entirely missing the context of "Trump tweets at Trump" if you don't see that was a joke.
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Corrik posted...

I said many can tolerate your stupidity in your opinions as long as they do not turn violent.

what does this "tolerating" even mean if you're still calling me an idiot because of my opinions, though?

democrats saying "you're a racist" to people they disagree with -> intolerant, unreasonable, "this is why you lost"

republicans saying "you're an idiot" to people they disagree with -> super tolerating and reasonable

ok.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

I guarrantee a majority of those who voted Republican were over a conservative judge, protecting guns, or due to anti-abortion.

why would anti-abortion people vote for trump? trump was super vague about what he thought about abortion during the campaign, changing his stance multiple times.

Conservative judge. Other side is openly pro-choice. You got every anti-abortion vote guaranteed at that point.
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Corrik posted...

Well, look at how many things have been attacked in name of social justice. Do you think any of that helps liberal sentiment?

For example, attacking a 25 year old fan loved show because of an Indian character usage?

This is what I mean before of how there is so much fake outrage

OK let's clarify a few things.

1. I haven't seen anyone on Board 8 complaining about Apu.

2. HOWEVER It's certainly not "fake outrage", there are people who genuinely dislike Apu, they are mostly actors of East Indian descent.

I will defend their right to freedom of speech.

(Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on Apu; I'm white and haven't watched The Simpsons in years.)

(I can also at least understand why these actors are upset--East Indian actors have trouble finding acting roles in Hollywood, and here's one of the most famous East Indian characters on TV voiced by a white guy. Supposedly it doesn't help that the accent he's imitating is not actually an East Indian accent, but Peter Sellers' accent from a 1968 movie called "The Party", where they used brown makeup on Peter Sellers instead of casting an Indian actor).

But like...again, I've never really had a strong opinion on Apu (being white) and I'm guessing most of B8 is the same. How would you suggest people on the left respond to this? Deny racial minorities the right to free speech? Publicly disavow racial minorities when they express a complaint that doesn't affect me personally?

I choose option C: say nothing cause I really don't care. I don't care if they change the voice actor of a minor character; I also dson't care if they don't change that voice actor. Even if I was still watching, would I even notice if the voice actor changed? Would I care if I did?
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metroid composite posted...

Corrik posted...

Well, look at how many things have been attacked in name of social justice. Do you think any of that helps liberal sentiment?

For example, attacking a 25 year old fan loved show because of an Indian character usage?

This is what I mean before of how there is so much fake outrage

OK let's clarify a few things.

1. I haven't seen anyone on Board 8 complaining about Apu.

2. HOWEVER It's certainly not "fake outrage", there are people who genuinely dislike Apu, they are mostly actors of East Indian descent.

I will defend their right to freedom of speech.

(Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on Apu; I'm white and haven't watched The Simpsons in years.)

(I can also at least understand why these actors are upset--East Indian actors have trouble finding acting roles in Hollywood, and here's one of the most famous East Indian characters on TV voiced by a white guy. Supposedly it doesn't help that the accent he's imitating is not actually an East Indian accent, but Peter Sellers' accent from a 1968 movie called "The Party", where they used brown makeup on Peter Sellers instead of casting an Indian actor).

But like...again, I've never really had a strong opinion on Apu (being white) and I'm guessing most of B8 is the same. How would you suggest people on the left respond to this? Deny racial minorities the right to free speech? Publicly disavow racial minorities when they express a complaint that doesn't affect me personally?

I choose option C: say nothing cause I really don't care. I don't care if they change the voice actor of a minor character; I also dson't care if they don't change that voice actor. Even if I was still watching, would I even notice if the voice actor changed? Would I care if I did?

I would suggest when outrage is over stupid things that you say hey c'mon that is ridiculous. Let's focus on the important things here and not get carried away.
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I'm pretty sure the actual Indian actors complaining about it refers to something that happened back in the 90s. The recent outrage referenced that, but it wasn't actually that, afaik.
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Corrik posted...

I would suggest when outrage is over stupid things that you say hey c'mon that is ridiculous. Let's focus on the important things here and not get carried away.

and who exactly is the arbiter of what counts as a "stupid thing" and an "important thing"?

some people think the kneeling for the flag stuff is a stupid thing. some people also think apu is an important thing.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

I would suggest when outrage is over stupid things that you say hey c'mon that is ridiculous. Let's focus on the important things here and not get carried away.

and who exactly is the arbiter of what counts as a "stupid thing" and an "important thing"?

some people think the kneeling for the flag stuff is a stupid thing. some people also think apu is an important thing.

So you can tell only Republicans they are being ridiculous but not democrats also? Okay.
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Corrik posted...

So you can tell only Republicans they are being ridiculous but not democrats also?

you can tell both. i'm just saying that what's stupid and important is entirely subjective.
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kevwaffles posted...

I'm pretty sure the actual Indian actors complaining about it refers to something that happened back in the 90s. The recent outrage referenced that, but it wasn't actually that, afaik.

The recent 'outrage' came from an east indian-american film maker exploring the deep effects of Apu on people of South Asian descent trying to find work in Hollywood via film. Its called "The Problem with Apu". Its not a particularly good documentary honestly.

It got some play on CNN and NPR as like an interesting curiosity and Fox News went and made it the latest front in their culture wars segments LIBERALS SAY YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE THE SIMPSONS ANYMORE! WHERE WILL IT STOP???
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Its really sad to me, as a Simpsons diehard, that Matt Groening handled the criticism like an old fart.

Hank Azaria handled it amazingly though.
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I'm offended that people still watch The Simpsons in 2018
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LapisLazuli posted...

I'm offended that people still watch The Simpsons in 2018

I don't think they actually do though.
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Corrik posted...

And yes. Even I was outraged over the kneeling thing. Disrespecting the flag and the anthem is a pretty big no-no to someone who is pretty much a nationalist such as I am.

IT WASN'T DISRESPECTING THE FLAG

This is the stupidest argument against the whole kneeling thing. Kaepernick and every other NFL player who knelt for the anthem specifically stated they weren't disrespecting the flag or the anthem or the military or anything else; they were protesting police brutality, which disproportionately affects minorities. Before he started kneeling for the anthem, Kaepernick sat on the bench for the anthem; he started kneeling after a conversation with a veteran, after which he decided to kneel because it's a posture of respect.

Outside of willful ignorance I really don't understand how anyone is still misconstruing the protest like this.
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About 5,100 U.S. children in 22 states have lost parents to deportation, according to the Applied Research Center -- a 30-year-old racial justice think tank. Some 15,000 more face similar threat in the next five years.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/26/us/immigration-parents-deported-children-left-behind/index.html

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-admin-losing-track-illegal-immigrant-children/

Sounds like this is an ongoing issue and not a Trump issue.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

And yes. Even I was outraged over the kneeling thing. Disrespecting the flag and the anthem is a pretty big no-no to someone who is pretty much a nationalist such as I am.

IT WASN'T DISRESPECTING THE FLAG

This is the stupidest argument against the whole kneeling thing. Kaepernick and every other NFL player who knelt for the anthem specifically stated they weren't disrespecting the flag or the anthem or the military or anything else; they were protesting police brutality, which disproportionately affects minorities. Before he started kneeling for the anthem, Kaepernick sat on the bench for the anthem; he started kneeling after a conversation with a veteran, after which he decided to kneel because it's a posture of respect.

Outside of willful ignorance I really don't understand how anyone is still misconstruing the protest like this.

Excuse me while I disrespect something and just you can't call me out on disrespecting it because I said I am not disrespecting it!

Woooo.

Nobody cares about the fact they are protesting whatever they wish to. It is how it was went about. Doing it during an anthem is disrespectful to the flag, the anthem, and our country.

Literally, their protest did nothing. The entire debate was on them disrespecting the flag and no one gave two shits on what they were actually protesting. It is one of the worst protests I have ever seen.
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Oh right. Willful ignorance. Corrik. I should have put two and two together.
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The funniest part about it is that the NFLs response this year is going to make it worse.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Oh right. Willful ignorance. Corrik. I should have put two and two together.

I know, bud. Everyone's opinion is invalid besides yours. I feel your pain.
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Why do you guys continue to willfully engage?
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I dunno man, I just feel like when you deliberately misconstrue the actions and intentions of your countrymen in an attempt to portray them as unpatriotic and possibly treasonous you deserve to be called out on your bullshit.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

I dunno man, I just feel like when you deliberately misconstrue the actions and intentions of your countrymen in an attempt to portray them as unpatriotic and possibly treasonous you deserve to be called out on your bullshit.

Treasonous? Ok.

The fact they stood up for the British anthem shows that they knew the act was disrespectful.
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Or they just weren't protesting anything going on in Britain?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Or they just weren't protesting anything going on in Britain?

It's not about protesting a country. It is about social justice and bringing awareness to it. You don't think it would have brought more headlines and awareness from others, including the British? I mean, look at the Netherlands guy up in here that is so woke.

The answer is no they didn't want to offend the British the same way they were offending Americans. It was simple as that.
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Corrik posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

I dunno man, I just feel like when you deliberately misconstrue the actions and intentions of your countrymen in an attempt to portray them as unpatriotic and possibly treasonous you deserve to be called out on your bullshit.

Treasonous? Ok.

The fact they stood up for the British anthem shows that they knew the act was disrespectful.

This is such a fucking absurd statement.
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Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.
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The problems were inherently American and not British, what the fuck are you talking about?

We have different problems. But the specific ones they were protesting weren't as relevant to us.

Also, it's a dick move to go to another country and do that when they have welcomed you. Criticising your own country is fine, though. Obviously

Be for or against the kneeling, I don't give a shit what you think, but at least use better logic for Christ's sake. That is tragically bad.
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Espeon posted...

Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.

Third person who has tried to create something being said that I never said.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Why do you guys continue to willfully engage?

I've given up with these assclowns. Serious self-loathing here. And even if you did convince the reasonable people to stop, there'll always be Lasa to fuck it up.
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XIII_rocks posted...

The problems were inherently American and not British, what the fuck are you talking about?

We have different problems. But the specific ones they were protesting weren't as relevant to us.

Also, it's a dick move to go to another country and do that when they have welcomed you. Criticising your own country is fine, though. Obviously

Be for or against the kneeling, I don't give a shit what you think, but at least use better logic for Christ's sake. That is tragically bad.

It wasn't about your country. It was about social justice. Criticizing your country during an anthem that is giving respect to your flag is disrespecting your country, flag, and anthem. You are debating against yourself with all the wiggling you are trying to do.

If it wasn't disrespectful then it would not have been disrespectful to the British who welcomed you into their country either.

You just made my point. Thank you. It is disrespectful.
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Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.

Third person who has tried to create something being said that I never said.

Its almost like youre misrepresenting what youre saying to act like youre a victim.
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Corrik posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

The problems were inherently American and not British, what the fuck are you talking about?

We have different problems. But the specific ones they were protesting weren't as relevant to us.

Also, it's a dick move to go to another country and do that when they have welcomed you. Criticising your own country is fine, though. Obviously

Be for or against the kneeling, I don't give a shit what you think, but at least use better logic for Christ's sake. That is tragically bad.

It wasn't about your country. It was about social justice. Criticizing your country during an anthem that is giving respect to your flag is disrespecting your country, flag, and anthem. You are debating against yourself with all the wiggling you are trying to do.

If it wasn't disrespectful then it would not have been disrespectful to the British who welcomed you into their country either.

You just made my point. Thank you. It is disrespectful.

What reason do American football players have to protest an American problem by kneeling during an unrelated national anthem?
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Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.

Third person who has tried to create something being said that I never said.

LapisLazuli posted...

Corrik is incapable of understanding inference. Either it's a direct quote or you can't say anything about anybody. Him thinking he's totally right about that won't change, either.

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the thing i hate about the "disrespecting the flag" thing is that the people complaining about it aren't giving the benefit of the doubt at all to the kneelers (while they give the benefit of the doubt to trump and others tons of times).

they're like "OF COURSE they're not doing it because they want to protest police brutality. they just hate and disrespect america. there's nothing else to it."
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XIII_rocks posted...

And even if you did convince the reasonable people to stop, there'll always be Lasa to fuck it up.

perhaps you shouldn't be shitting on me when you're passionately arguing with corrik yourself, bud.
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Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.

Third person who has tried to create something being said that I never said.

Its almost like youre misrepresenting what youre saying to act like youre a victim.

What I have said is clear as day. You are the one literally making up something said as your argument.
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Corrik posted...

Literally, their protest did nothing. The entire debate was on them disrespecting the flag and no one gave two shits on what they were actually protesting. It is one of the worst protests I have ever seen.

I would like to say that the fact that this message was able to be distorted so seamlessly is a really fucking huge problem.
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Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

The problems were inherently American and not British, what the fuck are you talking about?

We have different problems. But the specific ones they were protesting weren't as relevant to us.

Also, it's a dick move to go to another country and do that when they have welcomed you. Criticising your own country is fine, though. Obviously

Be for or against the kneeling, I don't give a shit what you think, but at least use better logic for Christ's sake. That is tragically bad.

It wasn't about your country. It was about social justice. Criticizing your country during an anthem that is giving respect to your flag is disrespecting your country, flag, and anthem. You are debating against yourself with all the wiggling you are trying to do.

If it wasn't disrespectful then it would not have been disrespectful to the British who welcomed you into their country either.

You just made my point. Thank you. It is disrespectful.

What reason do American football players have to protest an American problem by kneeling during an unrelated national anthem?

It is all about "awareness". It doesn't matter if they knelt during it according to you because it was raising awareness. And, it isn't offensive to anyone by kneeling during the British anthem supposedly so it would not have mattered.
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pyresword posted...

Corrik posted...

Literally, their protest did nothing. The entire debate was on them disrespecting the flag and no one gave two shits on what they were actually protesting. It is one of the worst protests I have ever seen.

I would like to say that the fact that this message was able to be distorted so seamlessly is a really fucking huge problem.

Because they protested in a way that caused that. That is why it was ineffective.
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Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Ah, of course. Despite Christmas NOT being under attack (given that its the biggest holiday in America and in fact, Christians are the only religion that have their religious holidays federally mandated as days off), Christians whining about Happy Holidays is a legitimate complaint. And despite kneeling during the anthem having nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, suddenly all the asinine virtue-signaling from the Right is legitimate as well.

It seems like everything the RIGHT believes, no matter how stupid, whiny and snowflakey, is justified. Meanwhile, the LEFT is 100% stupid in everything they do. Sure.

Third person who has tried to create something being said that I never said.

Its almost like youre misrepresenting what youre saying to act like youre a victim.

What I have said is clear as day. You are the one literally making up something said as your argument.

So all three of us are wrong then? Couldnt possibly be you saying exactly what were claiming?
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Aren't protests inherently disrespectful? If they weren't they would just be debates/negotiations or nobody would know about the cause.
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Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

The problems were inherently American and not British, what the fuck are you talking about?

We have different problems. But the specific ones they were protesting weren't as relevant to us.

Also, it's a dick move to go to another country and do that when they have welcomed you. Criticising your own country is fine, though. Obviously

Be for or against the kneeling, I don't give a shit what you think, but at least use better logic for Christ's sake. That is tragically bad.

It wasn't about your country. It was about social justice. Criticizing your country during an anthem that is giving respect to your flag is disrespecting your country, flag, and anthem. You are debating against yourself with all the wiggling you are trying to do.

If it wasn't disrespectful then it would not have been disrespectful to the British who welcomed you into their country either.

You just made my point. Thank you. It is disrespectful.

What reason do American football players have to protest an American problem by kneeling during an unrelated national anthem?

It is all about "awareness". It doesn't matter if they knelt during it according to you because it was raising awareness. And, it isn't offensive to anyone by kneeling during the British anthem supposedly so it would not have mattered.

But again, the issue wasnt with the British police. Protesting during their anthem would be disrespectful to BOTH flags because it would say to America It doesnt matter WHEN we kneel. Were just gonna choose moments that are as disrespectful as possible to troll people.

Whereas, by limiting it to the U.S. national anthem, its highlighting that the issue is strictly American, and the protest is purely for attention to the matter, not to show disrespect.
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charmander6000 posted...

Aren't protests inherently disrespectful? If they weren't they would just be debates/negotiations or nobody would know about the cause.

Yes
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Corrik posted...

pyresword posted...

Corrik posted...

Literally, their protest did nothing. The entire debate was on them disrespecting the flag and no one gave two shits on what they were actually protesting. It is one of the worst protests I have ever seen.

I would like to say that the fact that this message was able to be distorted so seamlessly is a really fucking huge problem.

Because they protested in a way that caused that. That is why it was ineffective.

Riots in Missouri? Black people are thugs and criminals that deserve the treatment they get from police.

Kneeling for the anthem? They hate America and are disrespecting our troops.

A black celebrity, on their free time, comments on the police brutality? You make millions in this country. Shut up and stop complaining, liberal.

It just seems like there is no way that black people can protest police brutality that Republicans wont immediately dismiss.
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charmander6000 posted...

Aren't protests inherently disrespectful? If they weren't they would just be debates/negotiations or nobody would know about the cause.

It depends how you define respect I think, but yes.
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Espeon posted...

It just seems like there is no way that black people can protest police brutality that Republicans wont immediately dismiss.

This.
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"sure we're murdering you but show some fucking respect!"
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