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Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:01:43 PM #301:	Corrik posted... A group of liberals on ResetERA said my fiancee is racist if she voted for Trump because of abortion reasoning ??? I can get those things being individually claimed by liberals, but what was their connection? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902195882] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> A group of liberals on ResetERA said my fiancee is racist if she voted for Trump because of abortion reasoning</quote> ??? I can get those things being individually claimed by liberals, but what was their connection?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:04:21 PM #302:	Lopen posted... As for what you're saying, Jakyl, the key is calling the action bigoted, rather than the person, and mentioning it when it's relevant to the context of the discussion. There's a big difference between randomly mentioning that a dude did something and how despicable he is out of the blue vs the guy coming up in conversation and you saying "he acted kinda bigoted the other day when he did ___ and that was offputting" 100% I try to keep this in mind when I make most claims, unless theres a clear pattern like with Trump or they openly claim it like the alt-right. Im sure Ive slipped up though and I welcome getting called on it. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902196046] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote> As for what you're saying, Jakyl, the key is calling the action bigoted, rather than the person, and mentioning it when it's relevant to the context of the discussion. There's a big difference between randomly mentioning that a dude did something and how despicable he is out of the blue vs the guy coming up in conversation and you saying "he acted kinda bigoted the other day when he did ___ and that was offputting"</quote> 100% I try to keep this in mind when I make most claims, unless theres a clear pattern like with Trump or they openly claim it like the alt-right. Im sure Ive slipped up though and I welcome getting called on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:05:46 PM #303:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Jakyl25 posted... Any excuse to repost this I will take https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ" data-time=" well, according to lisel anyone can learn how to drive a car in 5 minutes so On an absolute literal level, this is true --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902196129] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Any excuse to repost this I will take https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ" data-time="</quote> well, according to lisel anyone can learn how to drive a car in 5 minutes so</quote> On an absolute literal level, this is true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:06:28 PM #304:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... A group of liberals on ResetERA said my fiancee is racist if she voted for Trump because of abortion reasoning ??? I can get those things being individually claimed by liberals, but what was their connection? Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902196169] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> A group of liberals on ResetERA said my fiancee is racist if she voted for Trump because of abortion reasoning</quote> ??? I can get those things being individually claimed by liberals, but what was their connection?</quote> Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/29/18 5:07:39 PM #305:	Lopen posted... If you want something where it's possible the swing voter outright disagrees -- Police stories in general I think are an excellent example of this. Many many super liberals will basically take the side of the perp by default, even when there isn't a lot of information yet. It's just not a good look, particularly for people who have had better experience with police than random people on the street. As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do? And many conservatives will continue defending police's actions even AFTER information comes out that it was in the wrong. (Also your use of the word 'perp' here is definitely telling. Was Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy a perp? What about Philando Castille? What makes him a perp? Conservatives are forgiven a lot more easily for their bullshit than liberals are by swing voters. They can vote for pedophiles like Roy Moore, Anti-Gay lunatics like Mike Pence, but because someone didn't take the side of the police in a shooting (or because some people don't think police have the right to carry out the death penalty for any number of crimes) they can't vote Democrat? --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:902196238] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>If you want something where it's possible the swing voter outright disagrees -- Police stories in general I think are an excellent example of this. Many many super liberals will basically take the side of the perp by default, even when there isn't a lot of information yet. It's just not a good look, particularly for people who have had better experience with police than random people on the street. </quote> As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do? And many conservatives will continue defending police's actions even AFTER information comes out that it was in the wrong. (Also your use of the word 'perp' here is definitely telling. Was Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy a perp? What about Philando Castille? What makes him a perp? Conservatives are forgiven a lot more easily for their bullshit than liberals are by swing voters. They can vote for pedophiles like Roy Moore, Anti-Gay lunatics like Mike Pence, but because someone didn't take the side of the police in a shooting (or because some people don't think police have the right to carry out the death penalty for any number of crimes) they can't vote Democrat?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/29/18 5:09:07 PM #306:	Dancedreamer posted... As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do? I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:902196326] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do?</quote> I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:09:23 PM #307:	Dancedreamer posted... but because someone didn't take the side of the police in a shooting (or because some people don't think police have the right to carry out the death penalty for any number of crimes) they can't vote Democrat? What are you trying to say here? --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902196337] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>but because someone didn't take the side of the police in a shooting (or because some people don't think police have the right to carry out the death penalty for any number of crimes) they can't vote Democrat?</quote> What are you trying to say here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/29/18 5:11:04 PM #308:	Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:902196455] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/29/18 5:11:09 PM #309:	Lopen posted... I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages. I thought questioning authority was generally a good thing. Apparently not when police are concerned. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:902196465] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages. </quote> I thought questioning authority was generally a good thing. Apparently not when police are concerned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/29/18 5:12:27 PM #310:	Lopen posted... I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages. not sure why we should care what the worse stance is, though. obviously, "the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" are both insane stances. no need to apply a statistical analysis to this. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:902196552] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages.</quote> not sure why we should care what the worse stance is, though. obviously, "the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" are both insane stances. no need to apply a statistical analysis to this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/29/18 5:12:43 PM #311:	Dancedreamer posted... I thought questioning authority was generally a good thing. Apparently not when police are concerned. Questioning is good on both sides. I didn't say the conservative approach is wrong-- I said it's significantly less wrong to people who don't inherently have some sort of vendetta with the police. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:902196569] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>I thought questioning authority was generally a good thing. Apparently not when police are concerned.</quote> Questioning is good on both sides. I didn't say the conservative approach is wrong-- I said it's significantly less wrong to people who don't inherently have some sort of vendetta with the police.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/29/18 5:15:00 PM #312:	Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted... As for what you're saying, Jakyl, the key is calling the action bigoted, rather than the person, and mentioning it when it's relevant to the context of the discussion. There's a big difference between randomly mentioning that a dude did something and how despicable he is out of the blue vs the guy coming up in conversation and you saying "he acted kinda bigoted the other day when he did ___ and that was offputting" 100% I try to keep this in mind when I make most claims, unless theres a clear pattern like with Trump or they openly claim it like the alt-right. Im sure Ive slipped up though and I welcome getting called on it. For sure. Though tbh calling someone a bigot is just shorthand for "someone who does bigoted things" in the same way that baker is just shorthand for "person who bakes a lot", so I don't think there's nearly as much of a distinction between calling an action bigoted and calling a person bigoted as this implies. Like I'm thinking the same thing in both cases, it's honestly just a matter of phrasing. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:902196711] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote> As for what you're saying, Jakyl, the key is calling the action bigoted, rather than the person, and mentioning it when it's relevant to the context of the discussion. There's a big difference between randomly mentioning that a dude did something and how despicable he is out of the blue vs the guy coming up in conversation and you saying "he acted kinda bigoted the other day when he did ___ and that was offputting"</quote> 100% I try to keep this in mind when I make most claims, unless theres a clear pattern like with Trump or they openly claim it like the alt-right. Im sure Ive slipped up though and I welcome getting called on it.</quote> For sure. Though tbh calling someone a bigot is just shorthand for "someone who does bigoted things" in the same way that baker is just shorthand for "person who bakes a lot", so I don't think there's nearly as much of a distinction between calling an action bigoted and calling a person bigoted as this implies. Like I'm thinking the same thing in both cases, it's honestly just a matter of phrasing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:15:56 PM #313:	Lopen posted... Dancedreamer posted... As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do? I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages. Something interesting I learned when I served on a jury While we were going through selection questioning, a woman was asked if she would take the word of a police officer over the word of someone else. She said yes and she was dismissed by the judge. I was surprised! Yes it is bad to assume police are in the wrong, but most of the cases that make national headlines are accompanied by video where we can judge whether or not we believe the police were wrong. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902196757] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>As opposed to immediately taking the police's side like conservatives do?</quote> I would say assuming the police are in the wrong every time is generally a worse look than assuming the police are in the right every time, yes, going by percentages.</quote> Something interesting I learned when I served on a jury While we were going through selection questioning, a woman was asked if she would take the word of a police officer over the word of someone else. She said yes and she was dismissed by the judge. I was surprised! Yes it is bad to assume police are in the wrong, but most of the cases that make national headlines are accompanied by video where we can judge whether or not we believe the police were wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:18:20 PM #314:	Lopen posted... Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however. He has his moments, sadly. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902196905] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however.</quote> He has his moments, sadly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/29/18 5:25:40 PM #315:	Lopen posted... Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however. I would think his strong support for punching Nazis would be exactly what you're talking about here (possibly even a more extreme version). Am I wrong about that? (Or maybe confusing Jakyl with someone else?) --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:902197303] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however.</quote> I would think his strong support for punching Nazis would be exactly what you're talking about here (possibly even a more extreme version). Am I wrong about that? (Or maybe confusing Jakyl with someone else?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/29/18 5:27:06 PM #316:	Roy Moore didn't win swing voters. He lost in ALABAMA, which Trump won by 30 points or something. Moore probably lost pretty much every swing voter and a bunch of conservatives too. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:902197393] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Roy Moore didn't win swing voters. He lost in ALABAMA, which Trump won by 30 points or something. Moore probably lost pretty much every swing voter and a bunch of conservatives too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:27:35 PM #317:	Corrik posted... Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist. I agree with the bold The rest is too far --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902197423] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist.</quote> I agree with the bold The rest is too far</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:28:48 PM #318:	Kenri posted... Lopen posted... Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however. I would think his strong support for punching Nazis would be exactly what you're talking about here (possibly even a more extreme version). Am I wrong about that? (Or maybe confusing Jakyl with someone else?) I do support punching people who are actively being Nazis and want those beliefs known, yes. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902197496] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Also btw Jakyl I definitely don't think you personify the liberal mindset that is offputting to the swing vote though, despite being pretty heavily liberal leaning. Many people in here do though, however.</quote> I would think his strong support for punching Nazis would be exactly what you're talking about here (possibly even a more extreme version). Am I wrong about that? (Or maybe confusing Jakyl with someone else?)</quote> I do support punching people who are actively being Nazis and want those beliefs known, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:31:52 PM #319:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist. I agree with the bold The rest is too far I disagree with all of it. But saying this on ResetERA is a ban. So, I mostly just said I find it offensive that you are calling my fiancee a racist that you know nothing about and have a good day. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902197689] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an open racist. And even if you are not racist yourself and voted for other reasons. You enabled a racist and thus are a racist by association and deserve all that comes to you for being a racist.</quote> I agree with the bold The rest is too far</quote> I disagree with all of it. But saying this on ResetERA is a ban. So, I mostly just said I find it offensive that you are calling my fiancee a racist that you know nothing about and have a good day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/29/18 5:34:06 PM #320:	Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:902197833] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/29/18 5:36:06 PM #321:	i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:902197961] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:36:39 PM #322:	red sox 777 posted... Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism. Inadvertantly Plus theres certainly no guarantee Bernie wins anyway --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902197986] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism.</quote> Inadvertantly Plus theres certainly no guarantee Bernie wins anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:38:00 PM #323:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist. The escalator speech that launched his campaign is the clearest example of it --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902198081] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist.</quote> The escalator speech that launched his campaign is the clearest example of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/29/18 5:38:54 PM #324:	Jakyl25 posted... red sox 777 posted... Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism. Inadvertantly Plus theres certainly no guarantee Bernie wins anyway If intent matters (and using inadvertently suggests it does), then I would suggest not using the word "enabled" which is rather loaded with meaning. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:902198136] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Jaykl, what do you think of this statement: By voting for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, a person enabled Donald Trump, who openly expresses racism, to win. Thus, voting for Hillary over Bernie enabled racism.</quote> Inadvertantly Plus theres certainly no guarantee Bernie wins anyway</quote> If intent matters (and using inadvertently suggests it does), then I would suggest not using the word "enabled" which is rather loaded with meaning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:40:27 PM #325:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist. There are far more examples that Trump speaks poorly than examples in context that Trump is racist. I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198235] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist.</quote> There are far more examples that Trump speaks poorly than examples in context that Trump is racist. I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/29/18 5:41:09 PM #326:	Mr Lasastryke posted... "the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" are both insane stances. no need to apply a statistical analysis to this. If your typical neutral thinks police are correct in a situation involving a potential criminal, all things considered, say I dunno 80% of the time, and your two options are "the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" one of the stances comes off as considerably more insane than the other. Like for example if you claimed it always snows in June in Minnesota and the counterpoint is it never has they're both wrong but you can see why one seems less ridiculous than the other --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:902198274] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>"the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" are both insane stances. no need to apply a statistical analysis to this.</quote> If your typical neutral thinks police are correct in a situation involving a potential criminal, all things considered, say I dunno 80% of the time, and your two options are "the police are always wrong" and "the police are always right" one of the stances comes off as considerably more insane than the other. Like for example if you claimed it always snows in June in Minnesota and the counterpoint is it never has they're both wrong but you can see why one seems less ridiculous than the other</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:41:33 PM #327:	Hey red sox, didnt you say a couple days ago that almost no one actually votes Republican expecting abortion law to be changed? Corriks girlfriend is one! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902198296] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Hey red sox, didnt you say a couple days ago that almost no one actually votes Republican expecting abortion law to be changed? Corriks girlfriend is one!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 05/29/18 5:42:24 PM #328:	red sox 777 posted... Roy Moore didn't win swing voters. He lost in ALABAMA, which Trump won by 30 points or something. Moore probably lost pretty much every swing voter and a bunch of conservatives too. From what I've read, this is partially Fake News (tm). Moore lost because the Democratic turnout against him was extremely high. The number of Republicans voting for him was unchanged. He almost certainly lost the swing voters too,, but yeah, the conservatives didn't care about anything he did. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:902198346] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Roy Moore didn't win swing voters. He lost in ALABAMA, which Trump won by 30 points or something. Moore probably lost pretty much every swing voter and a bunch of conservatives too.</quote> From what I've read, this is partially Fake News (tm). Moore lost because the Democratic turnout against him was extremely high. The number of Republicans voting for him was unchanged. He almost certainly lost the swing voters too,, but yeah, the conservatives didn't care about anything he did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:44:03 PM #329:	Jakyl25 posted... Hey red sox, didnt you say a couple days ago that almost no one actually votes Republican expecting abortion law to be changed? Corriks girlfriend is one! I would say actually to be quite honest. She considers anti-abortion candidates to be better people. Because she views abortion as killing an innocent life. Though she would absolutely love to see abortion banned (except in limited cases - which she only came from that stance due to me talking her into exceptions). --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198439] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Hey red sox, didnt you say a couple days ago that almost no one actually votes Republican expecting abortion law to be changed? Corriks girlfriend is one!</quote> I would say actually to be quite honest. She considers anti-abortion candidates to be better people. Because she views abortion as killing an innocent life. Though she would absolutely love to see abortion banned (except in limited cases - which she only came from that stance due to me talking her into exceptions).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/29/18 5:44:29 PM #330:	Corrik posted... I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist. Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:902198470] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.</quote> Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:45:19 PM #331:	Kenri posted... Corrik posted... I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist. Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive? What? I mean, I feel most would be ban worthy to post. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198519] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.</quote> Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive?</quote> What? I mean, I feel most would be ban worthy to post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:45:34 PM #332:	Who did she support in the GOP primary? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902198536] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Who did she support in the GOP primary?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:47:02 PM #333:	Jakyl25 posted... Who did she support in the GOP primary? She was a registered libertarian and couldn't vote. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198621] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Who did she support in the GOP primary?</quote> She was a registered libertarian and couldn't vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:47:30 PM #334:	Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902198652] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:47:51 PM #335:	Jakyl25 posted... Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred? Not Cruz. Was basically her preference. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198681] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred?</quote> Not Cruz. Was basically her preference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 5:48:40 PM #336:	She did watch all the presidential debates between Hillary and Trump! --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902198732] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>She did watch all the presidential debates between Hillary and Trump!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 5:50:58 PM #337:	Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred? Not Cruz. Was basically her preference. She at least has that going for her in my book. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902198872] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh right I remember now. Any idea who she personally preferred?</quote> Not Cruz. Was basically her preference.</quote> She at least has that going for her in my book.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/29/18 5:54:05 PM #338:	Corrik posted... Kenri posted... Corrik posted... I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist. Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive? What? I mean, I feel most would be ban worthy to post. it's almost impossible to be banned from gamefaqs, much less in a single post, so i really hope that isn't your bar for racism --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:902199070] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>I have said, I have not closed the book he could possibly be racist, but that I see nothing definitive to mark that he is a racist.</quote> Can you give some examples of actions/statements that you'd consider definitive?</quote> What? I mean, I feel most would be ban worthy to post.</quote> it's almost impossible to be banned from gamefaqs, much less in a single post, so i really hope that isn't your bar for racism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 05/29/18 5:58:13 PM #339:	To go back to the "why you lost" thing about Hilary Clinton... KamikazePotato posted... Moore lost because the Democratic turnout against him was extremely high This is why you lost <_< No, seriously, the Republicans ran the most obviously corrupt, incompetent and sleazy candidate imaginable and no one could be bothered to actually vote against him. In the US there is no bigger cause for right wingers winning than left wingers not voting. For whatever reason (it's not just true in America) left wing voters are strangely reluctant to vote for someone they aren't super fond of, even if that person is clearly a million times better than the alternative according to their world view. And I think this does fit to an extent with what redsox is saying; while his example is shaky without a lot more detail, the whole "liberal" (for lack of a better term, just stick with me on it) mindset genuinely has developed into something that is much more aggressively critical of people than what non liberal people are like. While that does have its benefits (there's a lot of dumb shit in society that does deserve the call outs), it hurts liberals on election day a lot when their voters are so easily turned away by a candidate's flaws that they'd rather not vote that person than vote them for the sake of making sure someone like Donald Trump doesn't win. --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:902199339] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>To go back to the "why you lost" thing about Hilary Clinton... <cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>Moore lost because the Democratic turnout against him was extremely high</quote> This is why you lost <_< No, seriously, the Republicans ran the most obviously corrupt, incompetent and sleazy candidate imaginable and no one could be bothered to actually vote against him. In the US there is no bigger cause for right wingers winning than left wingers not voting. For whatever reason (it's not just true in America) left wing voters are strangely reluctant to vote for someone they aren't super fond of, even if that person is clearly a million times better than the alternative according to their world view. And I think this does fit to an extent with what redsox is saying; while his example is shaky without a lot more detail, the whole "liberal" (for lack of a better term, just stick with me on it) mindset genuinely has developed into something that is much more aggressively critical of people than what non liberal people are like. While that does have its benefits (there's a lot of dumb shit in society that does deserve the call outs), it hurts liberals on election day a lot when their voters are so easily turned away by a candidate's flaws that they'd rather not vote that person than vote them for the sake of making sure someone like Donald Trump doesn't win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 05/29/18 6:00:35 PM #340:	Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait. --- https://imgur.com/U7qSWmn something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:902199479] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 6:05:11 PM #341:	CelesMyUserName posted... Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait. And thats just his resume against one race! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902199732] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait.</quote> And thats just his resume against one race!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/29/18 6:09:12 PM #342:	Panthera posted... In the US there is no bigger cause for right wingers winning than left wingers not voting. I'd argue there's one that's bigger: right wingers voting. But it's ultimately just a different side of the same coin. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:902199960] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote>In the US there is no bigger cause for right wingers winning than left wingers not voting.</quote> I'd argue there's one that's bigger: right wingers voting. But it's ultimately just a different side of the same coin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 6:11:05 PM #343:	Jakyl25 posted... CelesMyUserName posted... Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait. And thats just his resume against one race! I mean, you are going to need actual in context confirmed sources. Not shit like this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-laziness-is-a-trait-in-blacks/ Where supposedly a disgruntled former worker said he said it. Or shit like he called Mexicans rapists which is out of context and not what he said. Or shit like he called all immigrants animals because he called MS-13 animals in context. If you have to read it how you want to read it or out of context, then it is not definitive. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902200063] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>Trump racism has been long undeniable. From his business practices of avoiding rent to black folk, complaining about black people counting his money (when it should be the jews), calling for the death penalty of the Central Park Five, asking Don Cheadle's friend's father if "hed ever fucked a n***", spearheading Obama Birtherism for years even after the certificate came out... It just goes on and on, Trump's racism is probably his most conclusive trait.</quote> And thats just his resume against one race!</quote> I mean, you are going to need actual in context confirmed sources. Not shit like this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-laziness-is-a-trait-in-blacks/ Where supposedly a disgruntled former worker said he said it. Or shit like he called Mexicans rapists which is out of context and not what he said. Or shit like he called all immigrants animals because he called MS-13 animals in context. If you have to read it how you want to read it or out of context, then it is not definitive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 05/29/18 6:12:48 PM #344:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist. Because that's not how racism works nowadays. Let's let Lee Atwater (the father of the Southern Strategy and by extension all of Republican politics since 1968) explain: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N***, n*, n*." By 1968 you can't say "n*" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*, n**." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy --- Besides, marijuana is far* more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:902200169] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>i definitely agree that trump is a racist. i don't think he's ever said anything like "all black people suck" or whatever, but he's had a loooong history of saying low-key racist stuff. it's happened too often at this point to explain it away with "oh he didn't mean it in a racist way he just communicated it poorly." he's like the passive-aggressive version of a racist.</quote> Because that's not how racism works nowadays. Let's let Lee Atwater (the father of the Southern Strategy and by extension all of Republican politics since 1968) explain: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N***, n*, n*." By 1968 you can't say "n*" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*, n***." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/29/18 6:15:46 PM #345:	The election was close enough that there are a lot of "but for" reasons Trump won. For instance, he did much better with the black vote than Romney - I think the Obama/Romney numbers for the black vote in the 3 closest states would have swung the election. Now, maybe there was no way Hillary could have matched Obama's numbers with the black vote. But Obama/Romney numbers with the Hispanic vote would also have swung the election. Trump doing better than Romney with every major race is kinda interesting. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:902200352] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>The election was close enough that there are a lot of "but for" reasons Trump won. For instance, he did much better with the black vote than Romney - I think the Obama/Romney numbers for the black vote in the 3 closest states would have swung the election. Now, maybe there was no way Hillary could have matched Obama's numbers with the black vote. But Obama/Romney numbers with the Hispanic vote would also have swung the election. Trump doing better than Romney with every major race is kinda interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 6:37:23 PM #346:	Corrik, what did you make of Trumps claim that Judge Curiel could not be fair because hes Hispanic? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902201606] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Corrik, what did you make of Trumps claim that Judge Curiel could not be fair because hes Hispanic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 6:39:57 PM #347:	Trump tweet from 2013 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/342190428675796992?s=20 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902201765] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>Trump tweet from 2013 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/342190428675796992?s=20</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/29/18 6:44:56 PM #348:	http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9hgxaD5mPf8/VlTIY4X28SI/AAAAAAAAxiQ/MC6f00-nGuQ/s1600-h/donald%252520trump%25255B4%25255D.png Remember when Trump shared fake racial stats on Twitter? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:902202059] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote>http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9hgxaD5mPf8/VlTIY4X28SI/AAAAAAAAxiQ/MC6f00-nGuQ/s1600-h/donald%252520trump%25255B4%25255D.png Remember when Trump shared fake racial stats on Twitter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 6:46:34 PM #349:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik, what did you make of Trumps claim that Judge Curiel could not be fair because hes Hispanic? Link. That said, I believe I remember this and it was because it was in reference to something that dealt with Hispanics. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902202149] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, what did you make of Trumps claim that Judge Curiel could not be fair because hes Hispanic?</quote> Link. That said, I believe I remember this and it was because it was in reference to something that dealt with Hispanics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/29/18 6:47:50 PM #350:	Jakyl25 posted... Trump tweet from 2013 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/342190428675796992?s=20 Not racist. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:902202225] in Politics C... [t:76649906]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump tweet from 2013 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/342190428675796992?s=20</quote> Not racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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