Current Events > Yu-Gi-Oh: Most OP illegal Spell Card? (Drawing + Searching + Deck-Thinning Div.)

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I'd say Painful Choice, with Pot of Greed & Graceful Charity tied for second.

Painful Choice, it's almost not even a question
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Whoops I picked Pot of Greed but I think maybe Graceful Charity is worse
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legendarylemur posted...

Whoops I picked Pot of Greed but I think maybe Graceful Charity is worse

At least with Dark World it is.
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Pot of Greed
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Tmaster148 posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Whoops I picked Pot of Greed but I think maybe Graceful Charity is worse

At least with Dark World it is.

90% of decks nowadays have gy toolboxing one way or another. Or even redundant engines like Brilliant Fusion that could be discard fodders
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legendarylemur posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Whoops I picked Pot of Greed but I think maybe Graceful Charity is worse

At least with Dark World it is.

90% of decks nowadays have gy toolboxing one way or another. Or even redundant engines like Brilliant Fusion that could be discard fodders

The only thing is that Graceful Charity only goes neutral.

+3 -2 and -1(for graceful charity).

Pot of Greed is a +1, because +2 and -1(pot of greed).
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Say you draw something like Fairy Tail - Snow or have something that needs something in the GY to activate. Snow is an advantage whether or not you have her in your hand or GY.

You draw with Graceful Charity, dump Snow, you went +1 and came closer to meeting the requirement to activate Snow.

You have to treat GC like a +2 rather than a neutral
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Painful choice is objectively correct. I found Spellbook of Judgement the most offensive to the meta since it took so long to get hit by the banlist, so I voted that. Pot of Greed is third I guess
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Safe Return or Painful Choice. Pot of Greed isn't really innately "broken" in the same way those two are - Return will generate a lot of card advantage really fast that far exceeds Pot of Greed, but Painful is more generic and provides setup for pretty much everybody. Future Fusion, for example, was tremendously overpowered for the exact same reasons Painful was, and it was limited to a small number of decks. Still got rightfully banned due to the expanding Fusion pool before getting errata'd (it's still really good afaik even with the turn delay)

-Judgement is, I'd argue, the worst ever designed card in the game's history, but it's isolated to one deck.

-Grass is horribly broken but is specialist like Judgement and not as offensively bad in card design

-Greed/Graceful are extremely powerful but not game-changing like Painful is since Painful will result in pinpoint card advantage vs. hoping you draw well (tutoring > drawing, often)

-idk why Rejuv is still banned (Droolers are what made that card so stupid, more of a symptom than a thing that ruins the game)

-Mirage of Nightmare might be terrible nowadays but maybe not since S/T destruction isrampant and you could probably Twin Twister it. Still kind of combo dependent and slow.

-Last Will is hypothetically not that bad but nearly every deck could probably abuse it and create 2/3 card OTK/FTK combos with it since sometimes the one extra monster is all you need.

-Card Destruction is broken but somewhat luck dependent, potentially bricks, and might carpet bomb good cards as a trade-off
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Would love to run painful choice in my skull servant deck
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I only ever watched the anime. Remind me again, what does Pot of Greed do?
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What does pot of greed do
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I say Pot of Greed, though I don't even know what it does.
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No feather duster option?
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@snowman9267 posted...

No feather duster option?

"Drawing + Searching + Deck-Thinning Div."
This topic was made specifically about spell cards designed to thin your deck/give you cards you need. Harpie's Feather Duster is for sure one of the most overpowered cards in the game, and one could absolutely make the argument that it's the last card that should ever be unbanned given how powerful spell/trap cards still are & how it neuters Pendulum-based decks, but it simply doesn't complete the criteria for this topic.
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I guess I can't read then. :/
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snowman9267 posted...

I guess I can't read then. :/

it's cool
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

What does pot of greed do

Draw 2 cards (for no cost other than playing Pot of Greed).
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Why is painful choice good? Are that many decks running stuff that benefits a filled graveyard?
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Raigeki
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the_rowan posted...

apocalyptic_4 posted...

What does pot of greed do

Draw 2 cards (for no cost other than playing Pot of Greed).

Why is drawing 2 cards one time so bad?

gamer167 posted...

Why is drawing 2 cards one time so bad?

It's 2 cards for the price of one. How can it get any better than that? It's the most hideously overpowered card in TCG history by far.
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gamer167 posted...

the_rowan posted...

apocalyptic_4 posted...

What does pot of greed do

Draw 2 cards (for no cost other than playing Pot of Greed).

Why is drawing 2 cards one time so bad?

Firstly in most TCG drawing a card is generally one of the most powerful effects that can be printed. Having access to more cards means you have access to more options, and Yu-Gi-Oh is no exception to this. Another thing that is really important in TCGs is the ability to play cards at no cost. This applies to all Spell Cards in YGO (unless the card has an additional cost on it).

Second point (though weak) is that it gets splashed into every deck, decreasing the different type of diversity of cards played. For a powerful ability like this, even having 1 copy is too much.

Finally, because it takes away decision making. In TCG there's always a cost to most decisions being played. For instance in Pokemon, the support card Bill does the same thing except the rules to Pokemon TCG is that only 1 support card can be used a turn so there is opportunity cost to take into effect. Or in Magic where Divination also does the same thing, except it costs 3 mana to be played and it's blue so it can't be splashed into any deck without having to change the dynamics of a deck (like splashing in Islands or some other way to play it).
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@FvP posted...

Why is painful choice good? Are that many decks running stuff that benefits a filled graveyard?

For a long time (and especially now), it's been almost universal for Yu-Gi-Oh decks that having a card be in your graveyard is better than than having it in your deck - not only are there a ton of cards nowadays beyond just Monster Reborn/Call of the Haunted/Premature Burial/Magician of Faith/Mask of Darkness that allow you to return cards from your graveyard to the field/your hand, but there's also a shit ton of cards nowadays that activate when they get sent to the graveyard. Just for context, let's take Foolish Burial for an example:

https://imgur.com/pc2bFW7

This card simply sends one monster card from your deck to the graveyard, and it's considered so powerful that you're limited to one per deck in competitive play. Painful Choice allows you to send four cards of your choice - regardless of type - from your deck to the graveyard, and also allows you to add 1 card that you specifically searched for from your deck to your hand. Back when it was printed, the four cards sent to your graveyard were meant as a sacrifice so you could add 1 good card - which your opponent picked - to your hand, so it wasn't really even a particularly good card back then, but now it's basically a +5 and, for many decks, almost a guaranteed instant-win card to draw; there's no way Konami would ever print a card that powerful now, even with (and possibly because of) the game's power creep.

If you want more examples, you can google "Painful Choice OTK", "Painful Choice FTK", etc.

@Sativa_Rose posted...

Raigeki

That's actually legal now (limited to one), also:

This topic was made specifically about spell cards designed to thin your deck/give you cards you need.

raigeki isn't that great either

destroying monsters doesn't mean much when they replace themselves nowadays
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Tropicalwood posted...

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Pot of Greed

came in to post this

fucking amazing
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Harpies Feather Duster needs to make a comeback because "set 5 pass". >_>

Pot of Greed is great, to the point people are banishing ten cards from their decks to activate it these days, but given the choice between blind drawing and set up I'd choose set up. Painful Choice or Graceful Charity for me.

Shame Graceful Charity is so broken in YuGiOh. I love the art and the effect is fun. >_>
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

raigeki isn't that great either

destroying monsters doesn't mean much when they replace themselves nowadays

This! Plus there's plenty of XYZ/Synchro/etc. monsters that can negate/are unaffected by Spell/Trap card effects. IIRC Bottomless Trap Hole & Torrential Tribute are considered to be superior monster removal cards nowadays since they can destroy monsters before their effects are activated.

tfw it's 2018 and I still don't know what Pot of Greed even does
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Ring of Destruction or Yata Garasu from what I recall of playing.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

raigeki isn't that great either

destroying monsters doesn't mean much when they replace themselves nowadays

Raigeki also isn't banned atm. It's limited in TCG.
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FL81 posted...

tfw it's 2018 and I still don't know what Pot of Greed even does

Draw 2 cards, no questions asked
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Pretty sure Painful Choice would be, among other things, an instant Zarc
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Muffinz0rz posted...

FL81 posted...

tfw it's 2018 and I still don't know what Pot of Greed even does

Draw 2 cards, no questions asked

But what does it do?
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Spidey5 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

FL81 posted...

tfw it's 2018 and I still don't know what Pot of Greed even does

Draw 2 cards, no questions asked

But what does it do?

Allows the player to draw two cards
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