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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 4:48:26 PM
#301:


Shaduln posted...
If you mandate all teachers to have guns and if they don't want to they should quit, how are you going to deal with the ensuing massive teacher shortage?


And I've said before, you have to layer this. It is a sweeping change.

And the other good thing is once we start this, the colleges can start giving the military training they'll need for being a teacher
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xp1337
05/18/18 4:50:05 PM
#302:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
I ALWAYS admit when I'm wrong

i dunno iirc you never conceded to me that the Constitution gives the VP a second role via the ability (with a majority of the cabinet) to declare the President unfit to serve

i don't know why i remember this

perhaps because i felt it was so straightforward and trivial i was shocked you persisted it didn't count >_>
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HanOfTheNekos
05/18/18 4:51:12 PM
#303:


MWC, let's talk about logistics for a second.

Teachers, on average, work more hours during a year than other professions.

Teachers, on average, are underpaid.

There is a teacher shortage in our country.

You're trying to push a change that is unpopular with the group you're trying to push it on. There's no way to enact this without a massive pay increase across the board.
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Shaduln
05/18/18 4:51:16 PM
#304:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Shaduln posted...
If you mandate all teachers to have guns and if they don't want to they should quit, how are you going to deal with the ensuing massive teacher shortage?


ensuing?

I dunno there's only a substitute shortage here, but I'm thinking nationally.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 4:51:26 PM
#305:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Fuck off.... I ALWAYS admit when I'm wrong, or when someone makes a point that makes me change my mind. I even make full topics just saying I was wrong on random things sometimes when I'm wrong.


obviously i'm talking about politics-related stuff. i'll happily believe you've admitted you were wrong about kingdom hearts or dragon ball or whatever.
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Shaduln
05/18/18 4:51:52 PM
#306:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
MWC, let's talk about logistics for a second.

Teachers, on average, work more hours during a year than other professions.

Teachers, on average, are underpaid.

There is a teacher shortage in our country.

You're trying to push a change that is unpopular with the group you're trying to push it on. There's no way to enact this without a massive pay increase across the board.

I'm sure he's ok with a large tax increase to cover it.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 4:54:08 PM
#307:


trdl23 posted...
Didnt Corrik acknowledge he was wrong about something in this very topic? Hes frustrating, but guys, come on.


link?

and i'm just saying that i've never seen him admit to being wrong (or that if i did see it, i don't remember it). i'm just sharing my personal experience. xp's example may very well be true.
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 4:55:53 PM
#308:


He admitted he was wrong about universal health care having bipartisan approval
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 4:57:33 PM
#309:


fair enough.
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trdl23
05/18/18 4:59:22 PM
#310:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
http://news.gallup.com/poll/223391/majority-government-ensure-healthcare-coverage.aspx

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/k52ypgoib0iaisno2ebilw.png

I definitely was wrong on that. No idea what I was looking at.

I do not think single payer healthcare is our government's "responsibility" to provide, but I do agree with going to that method as the best for our country.

The importance is to offer equally to everyone.

Just like living stipends. They are fine if EVERYONE receives them.

When you start saying only the poor or so and so should receive shit, you lost me completely.

Here you go
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xp1337
05/18/18 4:59:40 PM
#311:


This is really bothering me now. >_>

I think it was Middle East related, comparing actions taken by Trump and Obama. ...Syria maybe? Think it had to do with timing too. Corrik had the year wrong which changed the context or something.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:00:28 PM
#312:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Fuck off.... I ALWAYS admit when I'm wrong, or when someone makes a point that makes me change my mind. I even make full topics just saying I was wrong on random things sometimes when I'm wrong.


obviously i'm talking about politics-related stuff. i'll happily believe you've admitted you were wrong about kingdom hearts or dragon ball or whatever.


I know factually there was something Invisio said last year in this topic I admitted to being wrong on.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:09:05 PM
#313:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
MWC, let's talk about logistics for a second.

Teachers, on average, work more hours during a year than other professions.

Teachers, on average, are underpaid.

There is a teacher shortage in our country.

You're trying to push a change that is unpopular with the group you're trying to push it on. There's no way to enact this without a massive pay increase across the board.


If there was ANYTHING we could ever tax I'd have no problem with, it would be saving kids.
Get em armed, give them raises.
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Cybat
05/18/18 5:11:45 PM
#314:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
If there was ANYTHING we could ever tax I'd have no problem with, it would be saving kids.


How about kids who get shot and their families can't afford health insurance to pay for surgery that would save them? How do you feel about paying taxes to cover that?
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:14:01 PM
#315:


Cybat posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
If there was ANYTHING we could ever tax I'd have no problem with, it would be saving kids.


How about kids who get shot and their families can't afford health insurance to pay for surgery that would save them? How do you feel about paying taxes to cover that?


No kid can be declined a life saving procedure.
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LapisLazuli
05/18/18 5:15:26 PM
#316:


And what about when they can't afford to pay for it afterwards?
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 5:16:27 PM
#317:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
I know factually there was something Invisio said last year in this topic I admitted to being wrong on.


ok cool, you admitted to being wrong on one thing. (this doesn't take away what i said as it's the same deal as the corrik thing - i never said you've never admitted to being wrong, just that i've personally never seen you do it.)

however, you never admitted to being wrong about the years when reagan was president being "the best years in the US economically since pre-WWI" (given that a) a fucking recession was taking place during these very years, and b) the US was doing better economically during the presidencies of clinton, kennedy and johnson). so this whole "you ALWAYS admit to being wrong" thing isn't exactly the truth, is it?
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scarletspeed7
05/18/18 5:20:54 PM
#318:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
That said, both are way easier to convince about something than Ulti/Vlado.


not to white knight vlado, but in several arguments with him i actually got him to admit he was wrong. pretty sure i've never seen MWC/corrik/ulti do this (maybe ulti did a few times in like '04/'05, but present day ulti would never do it).


Fuck off.... I ALWAYS admit when I'm wrong, or when someone makes a point that makes me change my mind. I even make full topics just saying I was wrong on random things sometimes when I'm wrong.

Except that Superman always beats Goku
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:22:12 PM
#319:


LapisLazuli posted...
And what about when they can't afford to pay for it afterwards?


They will continue to not die
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:26:06 PM
#320:


scarletspeed7 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
That said, both are way easier to convince about something than Ulti/Vlado.


not to white knight vlado, but in several arguments with him i actually got him to admit he was wrong. pretty sure i've never seen MWC/corrik/ulti do this (maybe ulti did a few times in like '04/'05, but present day ulti would never do it).


Fuck off.... I ALWAYS admit when I'm wrong, or when someone makes a point that makes me change my mind. I even make full topics just saying I was wrong on random things sometimes when I'm wrong.

Except that Superman always beats Goku


If you could ban space somehow, (unlike the Saiyans, he can't survive Space) ToP Master Roshi beats Superman
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LapisLazuli
05/18/18 5:32:22 PM
#321:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
And what about when they can't afford to pay for it afterwards?


They will continue to not die


You don't think much, do you?
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 5:33:06 PM
#322:


LapisLazuli posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
And what about when they can't afford to pay for it afterwards?


They will continue to not die


You don't think much, do you?


So you are saying they will die?
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 5:57:37 PM
#323:


https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/997559526235746304?s=21

TX Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a fierce opponent of gun control, says today's shooting may have been caused by Texas schools having "too many entrances and too many exits."


Okay thats a new one
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Kenri
05/18/18 5:59:56 PM
#324:


nah restricting freedom of movement has always been popular and is especially popular lately
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charmander6000
05/18/18 6:04:50 PM
#325:


Looks like the US imposed deadline for NAFTA will pass without a deal.

The deadline was placed to give congress enough time to pass it before mid-term elections begin.
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 6:06:21 PM
#326:


Kenri posted...
nah restricting freedom of movement has always been popular and is especially popular lately


We definitely need more door control
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 6:06:55 PM
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StealThisSheen
05/18/18 6:15:48 PM
#328:


I'd say what's just as bad is that it looks like the manager gave in and kicked the person in the restroom out
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Corrik
05/18/18 6:51:02 PM
#329:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Eh. Corrik is way more to blame for how he is than MWC is. With Corrik, the guy can, at any point, choose to challenge his own beliefs. I don't think MWC is capable of that, honestly. That said, both are way easier to convince about something than Ulti/Vlado.

What is literally wrong with the people in this topic?

This is like the 9th time Lasa has been corrected about the lie he just said, and this post here? Like Jesus. What is wrong with you all.
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Corrik
05/18/18 6:58:14 PM
#330:


https://m.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-professor-slammed-for-pro-Israel-tweet-557715

Surprised this professor isn't in prison for saying that. Though, I do not get his stance either.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 7:07:16 PM
#331:


Corrik posted...
This is like the 9th time Lasa has been corrected about the lie he just said, and this post here?


1) i didn't lie.
2) post the other 8 "lies," asshole.
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Not_an_Owl
05/18/18 7:09:10 PM
#332:


Shaduln posted...
If you mandate all teachers to have guns and if they don't want to they should quit, how are you going to deal with the ensuing massive teacher shortage?

To the Republican mind this is a feature, not a bug.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/18/18 7:46:03 PM
#333:


Corrik posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Eh. Corrik is way more to blame for how he is than MWC is. With Corrik, the guy can, at any point, choose to challenge his own beliefs. I don't think MWC is capable of that, honestly. That said, both are way easier to convince about something than Ulti/Vlado.

What is literally wrong with the people in this topic?

This is like the 9th time Lasa has been corrected about the lie he just said, and this post here? Like Jesus. What is wrong with you all.


All I said was that you have the ability to challenge your own perspective better than MWC, Ulti, and Vlado. Do you disagree?
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 7:49:56 PM
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Dancedreamer
05/18/18 8:08:12 PM
#335:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?
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HaRRicH
05/18/18 8:14:31 PM
#336:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/997559526235746304?s=21

TX Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a fierce opponent of gun control, says today's shooting may have been caused by Texas schools having "too many entrances and too many exits."


Okay thats a new one


Yeah, well, I bet you never heard of an active shooter killing people in a locker before.

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/18 8:18:58 PM
#337:


Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


Fucking DOUBLE?

So basically taking money out of the pocket of everyone who buys shit online.

How Conservative.
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redrocket
05/18/18 8:19:37 PM
#338:


StealThisSheen posted...
I'd say what's just as bad is that it looks like the manager gave in and kicked the person in the restroom out


I'd go so far as to say that's worse.
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red sox 777
05/18/18 8:21:41 PM
#339:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Shaduln posted...
If you mandate all teachers to have guns and if they don't want to they should quit, how are you going to deal with the ensuing massive teacher shortage?

To the Republican mind this is a feature, not a bug.


If there's a teacher shortage, then their pay will go up right?
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red sox 777
05/18/18 8:24:08 PM
#340:


Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


If they have a contract, then they can sue and win. Otherwise, it's about time someone stood up to Amazon before they wipe out all the retail jobs in America.
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kevwaffles
05/18/18 8:33:27 PM
#341:


red sox 777 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


If they have a contract, then they can sue and win. Otherwise, it's about time someone stood up to Amazon before they wipe out all the retail jobs in America.

Good thing there's no alternative to the United States Postal Service, otherwise it'd be the dumbest plan ever!
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Dancedreamer
05/18/18 8:49:46 PM
#342:


kevwaffles posted...
Good thing there's no alternative to the United States Postal Service, otherwise it'd be the dumbest plan ever!


Also good thing Amazon isn't working on something like Drone Deliveries.
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Kenri
05/18/18 9:00:21 PM
#343:


red sox 777 posted...
Otherwise, it's about time someone stood up to Amazon before they wipe out all the retail jobs in America.

why should we care about retail
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red sox 777
05/18/18 9:00:34 PM
#344:


If the USPS price goes above the point where it would be cheaper for Amazon to do the deliveries themselves, they will do that. But that will cost them more than they are paying now (or else they would just do the deliveries already). Whether or not it's hurting the Postal Service, the important thing is that it's hurting Amazon.
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Corrik
05/18/18 9:08:26 PM
#345:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


Fucking DOUBLE?

So basically taking money out of the pocket of everyone who buys shit online.

How Conservative.

Who do you think pays to support the USPS when it is running deficits?
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Inviso
05/18/18 9:10:03 PM
#346:


Corrik posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


Fucking DOUBLE?

So basically taking money out of the pocket of everyone who buys shit online.

How Conservative.

Who do you think pays to support the USPS when it is running deficits?


Amazon, based on the deal they had in place. It's the main source of profit for the USPS.
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red sox 777
05/18/18 9:17:03 PM
#347:


Corrik posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-personally-pushed-postmaster-general- to-double-rates-on-amazon-other-firms/2018/05/18/2b6438d2-5931-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?utm_term=.a0cbfd246217

Trump pushed postmaster to double rates on amazon and other firms... cause you know there's no such thing as 'contracts' or anything. *sigh* No difference between Hillary and Trump? Seriously?


Fucking DOUBLE?

So basically taking money out of the pocket of everyone who buys shit online.

How Conservative.

Who do you think pays to support the USPS when it is running deficits?


The country's creditors. So, eventually, our children and grandchildren. But not all of them.....the ones who will pay more taxes will pay more.
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red sox 777
05/18/18 9:18:51 PM
#348:


Kenri posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Otherwise, it's about time someone stood up to Amazon before they wipe out all the retail jobs in America.

why should we care about retail


Because millions of people are employed there? Because the people who work retail are disproportionately of lower wealth/income? Because they have millions of votes?
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Reg
05/18/18 9:19:20 PM
#349:


Isn't the only reason USPS is running a deficit because they're being required to pre-fund their pension liabilities when basically no other government agency is? Or am I mistaken on that one?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/18/18 9:26:47 PM
#350:


red sox 777 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Shaduln posted...
If you mandate all teachers to have guns and if they don't want to they should quit, how are you going to deal with the ensuing massive teacher shortage?

To the Republican mind this is a feature, not a bug.


If there's a teacher shortage, then their pay will go up right?


This is what we are currently seeing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Oklahoma, yes.

Even though there is a shortage, there is a wide enough supply that schools can manage - just with worse conditions.

If you were to vastly increase that shortage... I imagine we would see a crisis where schools closed across the country.
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