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TheRock1525
05/17/18 4:28:47 PM
#151:


Getting detained due to your immigration status leaves you ICE ICE delayed.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/17/18 4:36:58 PM
#152:


LapisLazuli posted...
Disband ICE IMHO.


How bout no.....

Unless you want more fucking murders by illegals as they run even more rampant.

I think we've had enough.

What we need to do is give ICE much more sweeping powers, so that things like Sanctuary cities, local LE, or local governments can't stop them anymore.

But you make it so they have to actually prove someone is an illegal (or have a very very good reason to suspect it). And if they are wrong they have committed a federalcrime against a citizen and can be charged with it. With greater power comes greater responsibility.

Literally no one except people backing criminals should have any problem with this. It makes ICE have consequences, it makes it easier to get those breaking the law out of here and back to where they belong.
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Kenri
05/17/18 4:42:43 PM
#153:


Who forces them to prove it if local governments don't have the power to do so? You're gonna expect the federal government to handle that workload or what?
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 4:43:17 PM
#154:


Kenri posted...
I guarantee that it's standard practice for immigration agents to embellish the truth (i.e. lie). Probably rarer to get caught like this though.


Oh of course.
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 4:44:19 PM
#155:


UInstinctGogeta posted...

But you make it so they have to actually prove someone is an illegal (or have a very very good reason to suspect it). And if they are wrong they have committed a federalcrime against a citizen and can be charged with it. With greater power comes greater responsibility.


Good luck getting anyone in power, of any political persuasion, to agree to that.
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 4:47:38 PM
#156:


IB4 Corrik How come you never post anything positive about ICE?
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Kenri
05/17/18 4:49:36 PM
#157:


how come donald trump never says anything positive about ms-13 members
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Espeon
05/17/18 4:51:14 PM
#158:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Disband ICE IMHO.


How bout no.....

Unless you want more fucking murders by illegals as they run even more rampant.

I think we've had enough.

What we need to do is give ICE much more sweeping powers, so that things like Sanctuary cities, local LE, or local governments can't stop them anymore.

But you make it so they have to actually prove someone is an illegal (or have a very very good reason to suspect it). And if they are wrong they have committed a federalcrime against a citizen and can be charged with it. With greater power comes greater responsibility.

Literally no one except people backing criminals should have any problem with this. It makes ICE have consequences, it makes it easier to get those breaking the law out of here and back to where they belong.


Undocumented immigrants are, based on studies, LESS likely than your average American to commit crimes, most likely because they dont want to get deported. This illegals are rapists and murderers and gang members narrative is a way of demonizing human beings not unlike the liberals are baby murderers narrative to justify anti-choice activism.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/17/18 4:52:18 PM
#159:


Jakyl25 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...

But you make it so they have to actually prove someone is an illegal (or have a very very good reason to suspect it). And if they are wrong they have committed a federalcrime against a citizen and can be charged with it. With greater power comes greater responsibility.


Good luck getting anyone in power, of any political persuasion, to agree to that.


Then fire the current ICE members and get those who will.
Simply put, if these people are TRULY just good Americans just wanting to stop law breakers (proven) they should readily agree to that. If they don't agree they were just bullies or thugs anyway and we need to be rid of them in LE
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Mr Lasastryke
05/17/18 4:53:36 PM
#160:


Espeon posted...
This illegals are rapists and murderers and gang members narrative is a way of demonizing human beings not unlike the liberals are baby murderers narrative to justify anti-choice activism.


now come on inviso, you know they're not bringing their best
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 4:54:31 PM
#161:


Kenri posted...
how come donald trump never says anything positive about ms-13 members


Hey, some animals are good boys
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kevwaffles
05/17/18 5:24:19 PM
#162:


I'll never understand the "illegals are coming here to murder us" argument. Not because the facts don't support it, but it seems to imply that the people making that argument believe illegals can murder here either with impunity or with less fear of being caught than in Mexico.
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Not_an_Owl
05/17/18 5:29:03 PM
#163:


kevwaffles posted...
I'll never understand the "illegals are coming here to murder us" argument. Not because the facts don't support it, but it seems to imply that the people making that argument believe illegals can murder here either with impunity or with less fear of being caught than in Mexico.

It's not supposed to make sense, it's supposed to appeal to fear.
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banananor
05/17/18 5:31:27 PM
#164:


the argument i've heard from people i know is that "any volume of crimes committed by illegal immigrants greater than 0 is unacceptable, so we must get rid of everybody"

it's an emotional argument, and they just get annoyed if i apply the same logic to literally anything else
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 5:32:47 PM
#165:


kevwaffles posted...
I'll never understand the "illegals are coming here to murder us" argument. Not because the facts don't support it, but it seems to imply that the people making that argument believe illegals can murder here either with impunity or with less fear of being caught than in Mexico.


And you know whats gonna stop these bloodthirsty maniacs?

A wall
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 5:40:35 PM
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Eddv
05/17/18 7:19:59 PM
#167:


Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/17/rudy-giuliani-president-trump-shoot-someone-no-indictment

What a great spokesperson. The best.


What's amazing about this is that he took something that is TECHNICALLY TRUE (that Bob Mueller cannot directly indict a sitting president) and is spinning it to mean something totally different.

The fact is that if Mueller composes a report which concludes with a strong recommendation that congress indict trump and try him, that if they don't it's basically the end of this republic. At the very least impeachment proceedings have to be undertaken at that point and if he gets acquitted so be it. If they don't they are effectively saying Party Trumps Everything (pun not intended but kept anyway) which is just the end. At that point we have one of those sham banana republics where we just have a minority tribe and a majority tribe, which can only end in civil strife and probably war.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/17/18 8:18:26 PM
#168:


Eddv posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/17/rudy-giuliani-president-trump-shoot-someone-no-indictment

What a great spokesperson. The best.


What's amazing about this is that he took something that is TECHNICALLY TRUE (that Bob Mueller cannot directly indict a sitting president) and is spinning it to mean something totally different.

The fact is that if Mueller composes a report which concludes with a strong recommendation that congress indict trump and try him, that if they don't it's basically the end of this republic. At the very least impeachment proceedings have to be undertaken at that point and if he gets acquitted so be it. If they don't they are effectively saying Party Trumps Everything (pun not intended but kept anyway) which is just the end. At that point we have one of those sham banana republics where we just have a minority tribe and a majority tribe, which can only end in civil strife and probably war.


You aren't of the opinion that Mueller isn't on a which hunt and won't fabricate evidence...

The party absolutely DOES NOT have to do proceedings if they decide that they don't believe a damn word he says or why...
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Eddv
05/17/18 8:50:04 PM
#169:


He's Robert Fucking Mueller.

He is literally THE human embodiment of law and order. Trying to say Robert Mueller isn't to be trusted is like trying to say Paul Ryan isn't a congressman from Wisconsin.
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HaRRicH
05/17/18 9:07:49 PM
#170:


Whoa, hey, hold on with that metaphor. What if Mueller's still investigating after November?
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CelesMyUserName
05/17/18 9:10:06 PM
#171:


which hunt
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Panthera
05/17/18 9:13:32 PM
#172:


The witch one
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Eddv
05/17/18 9:15:21 PM
#173:


HaRRicH posted...
Whoa, hey, hold on with that metaphor. What if Mueller's still investigating after November?


Haha fair enough
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redrocket
05/17/18 9:19:23 PM
#174:


Hot predix: Mueller will present his report to Congress on January 21, 2019.
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Corrik
05/17/18 9:38:32 PM
#175:


I have no problem with Mueller and think if Trump is not guilty then he has nothing to worry about.
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Corrik
05/17/18 9:40:02 PM
#176:


Impeachment proceeding versus Clinton backfired tremendously. He got out of that more popular than he was going in.

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.
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My Immortal
05/17/18 9:41:39 PM
#177:


Corrik posted...

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.

Source? Because i don't think that's true
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CelesMyUserName
05/17/18 9:51:56 PM
#178:


My Immortal posted...
Corrik posted...

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.

Source? Because i don't think that's true

he's referencing this and replacing the words "on obstruction" with "everything"

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/981362462464278528

tldr ignore Corrik always
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Corrik
05/17/18 9:53:30 PM
#179:


My Immortal posted...
Corrik posted...

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.

Source? Because i don't think that's true

Costa dropped one key detail in a late-night appearance on MSNBC: Mueller is looking to release the obstruction report in June or July.
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LordoftheMorons
05/17/18 10:02:41 PM
#180:


Trump and Nunes are trying to burn an FBI/CIA source. This is literally the type of shit that gets people killed. Fuck them.
https://tinyurl.com/ya3bskgb (WaPo; link was too long)
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Corrik
05/17/18 10:03:47 PM
#181:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump and Nunes are trying to burn an FBI/CIA source. This is literally the type of shit that gets people killed. Fuck them.
https://tinyurl.com/ya3bskgb (WaPo; link was too long)

Why do people link paywall sites instead of just copy and pasting the relevant data?
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 10:03:57 PM
#182:


Corrik posted...
Impeachment proceeding versus Clinton backfired tremendously. He got out of that more popular than he was going in.

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.


I dont feel comfortable with the idea of looking at impeachment first and foremost as a political tool that can backfire.

Clinton blatantly committed perjury. He earned his impeachment.
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Eddv
05/17/18 10:07:13 PM
#183:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump and Nunes are trying to burn an FBI/CIA source. This is literally the type of shit that gets people killed. Fuck them.
https://tinyurl.com/ya3bskgb (WaPo; link was too long)


For those of you not following this story in the long form, this is the exact offense that got Scooter Libby arrested and imprisoned. The very same Scooter Libby that Trump pardoned.
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Corrik
05/17/18 10:08:10 PM
#184:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Impeachment proceeding versus Clinton backfired tremendously. He got out of that more popular than he was going in.

That said, Mueller says he expects to wrap up everything in June or July.


I dont feel comfortable with the idea of looking at impeachment first and foremost as a political tool that can backfire.

Clinton blatantly committed perjury. He earned his impeachment.

Well, it can backfire. That has to be understood.

But no it shouldn't be viewed foremost that way.
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Jakyl25
05/17/18 10:13:53 PM
#185:


Eddv posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump and Nunes are trying to burn an FBI/CIA source. This is literally the type of shit that gets people killed. Fuck them.
https://tinyurl.com/ya3bskgb (WaPo; link was too long)


For those of you not following this story in the long form, this is the exact offense that got Scooter Libby arrested and imprisoned. The very same Scooter Libby that Trump pardoned.


To be fair, Trump doesnt know that. <_<
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 9:08:59 AM
#186:


Since I mentioned the Clinton impeachment, I went back to read about it and remembered reading Ken Starrs report back when it was released. It was very detailed!

I imagine Trump wants Muellers report to be

No collusion. WITCH HUNT!!

The end
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SupremeZero
05/18/18 9:10:37 AM
#187:


Jakyl25 posted...
Since I mentioned the Clinton impeachment, I went back to read about it and remembered reading Ken Starrs report back when it was released. It was very detailed!

I imagine Trump wants Muellers report to be

No collusion. WITCH HUNT!!

The end

He doesn't listen to long reports, after all.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/18 9:23:17 AM
#188:


Bill Gates had to explain to our President that HPV and HIV are different.
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SupremeZero
05/18/18 9:28:17 AM
#189:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Bill Gates had to explain to our President that HPV and HIV are different.

Twice.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/997251082186182656
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 9:46:42 AM
#190:


Good. Get them all out of the countries they spied on (so they don't get murdered....) and then release the information on every single asshole involved you can. This will god damn stop the FBI from being used as a political arm any longer...
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Jakyl25
05/18/18 10:33:59 AM
#191:


School shooting in Texas
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Peace___Frog
05/18/18 10:52:34 AM
#192:


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/997474307147255808

Poor Rudy thinks it's unfair to bring up a clip of him from the 90s to show that he's being disingenuous.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 11:02:01 AM
#193:


lol. i love it when people get super salty when confronted with evidence that they're being dishonest.

this is why i've saved all of the politics topics!
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metroid composite
05/18/18 11:04:16 AM
#194:


Peace___Frog posted...
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/997474307147255808

Poor Rudy thinks it's unfair to bring up a clip of him from the 90s to show that he's being disingenuous.

Rudy is genuinely the biggest slimeball.

Like...during the campaign, of the surrogates he was the only one I straight up could not stand. People like Chris Christie and Kelly Anne Conway come across as a beacon of integrity when you put them next to Rudy.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/18/18 11:08:04 AM
#195:


Jakyl25 posted...
School shooting in Texas


Any info
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Espeon
05/18/18 11:09:20 AM
#196:


Wasnt there a school shooting a few days ago as well, that was foiled by the school resource officer?
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Eddv
05/18/18 11:45:31 AM
#197:


Espeon posted...
Wasnt there a school shooting a few days ago as well, that was foiled by the school resource officer?


Ish. The expelled kid came to the school to disrupt graduation practice by firing shots into the air. As he went to escape the SRO tried to stop him and ended up having to shoot him as he threatened the SRO with the gun trying to escape.
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Eddv
05/18/18 11:48:24 AM
#198:


Peace___Frog posted...
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/997474307147255808

Poor Rudy thinks it's unfair to bring up a clip of him from the 90s to show that he's being disingenuous.


I am reading James Comeys book and there is literally a chapter that may as well be entitled "How I learned what shitty leadership was: Life working for Rudy Giuliani"
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Corrik
05/18/18 11:55:57 AM
#199:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
School shooting in Texas


Any info

Supposedly 8 dead. 1 being a cop. Suspect detained.
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CaptainOfCrush
05/18/18 12:16:19 PM
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I'm surprised he killed a cop and was detained.
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